where is T4

worst poll ever :<

Its hard to accept that people enjoy dm6, inst it? Oh boy if you just accepted it you would be an even better player.

1. hub
2-5 dun care, fu

Only hope all these map polls means something is coming.

IF (can't seem to stress it enough) it does mean anything, hopefully it means they are trying to get a consensus on which map to drop based on which one ppl are tired of playing and which one ppl are tired of spec'ing

...of course we're talking about id here, and the idea seems to make alot of sense. Both those things make it a less chance of being true. =\

qz*.pk3 -> delete ... and you got your answer

watching t9 is sort of like watching hub. there is not enough room for the player out of control to hide so it pays off to go agressive off the spawn and not stack up for minutes like elsewhere. that makes it the most interesting map for the sheer amount of fragging spectators get to see. dm13 seems boring from an observer point of view but
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use it for home map, dm6 and ztn are slightly less boring but avoiding fights is still too easy on them imo. t7 is good because it is new and without a major flaw.

so forced aggressiveness = interesting and planned out play = boring? so wrong

this is subjective so its not really wrong. its just not your taste.

true

to me t9 is the least interesting map spectator wise, but otherwise i really enjoy watching all the other maps, any further preference would just be based on what i like to play

t9 is very fun from spec point of view (only second to hub and t4 imo), not so much when you are playing it and getting spawn raped, however its still a decent map.

dunno, the situations on t9 repeat itself sooo often, hate watching it more then 4-5 times in a tournament

indeed

another thing about t9 I don't like as a spec is when one person holds up on one side of the map (see strenx v. av3k- Dreamhack)- on top of the same situations over and over and over again

what's fun about t9 (except cooller ofc)?

did you watch the rapha stermy match from yesterday's zotac, it was one hell of a match and not too many repeated situations either.

maybe... but what is one match against hundreds of boring, repetitive ones? the maplayout is a joke, only slightly above t2.

It's weird, I like playing T9 a lot..but I don't find demos of players on the map nearly as exciting as ztn/dm6 etc.

hub is the only real answer

I think atleast the general consensus is, that everyone wants T4 back. Specifically because of its weapon selection and play style being slightly unique.

The question is what will it be traded with.

Add T4 and another map, have a bigger mappool.

t4 will be back (at least in some tournaments) ;)

ztn to watch

Fuck, this isn't a good poll :(

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Thank god it's gone :/

This poll is terrible. Ugh.

Huh. Why do people hate to watch DM13 so much? It's always a tactical treat for me, especially when watching someone who knows what he's doing there, like Rapha, Cooller or Avek.

And Noctis, of course. <3

Mostly because some people have not forgotten what it was like to watch 1-1 games there for 15 minutes.

even more awesome than 10 minute games?

Yes.

I'm quite surprised at the low amount of +backing you see in QL, I remember ztn and especially dm13 being quite gay often enough in Q3.

/me remembers if22's ztn game. *shudders*

its cause 8 dmg lg kills 200 200 in one second.

is this a fact, noctis. My skill at math is terrible.

actually in 2.5 seconds, but it feels like in 1

and spart1e

I dunno, that guy's kind of a dick.
















:D

like that one time when he almost beat strenx but then rocketjumped into lava

i like t7 because it's harder to lock down

sif this OMG OMG TEH SPECTATORS-attitude has not created enough grief

//.D1Z voted for C O O L L E R

I worry about this poll, a lot. It's not the results that scare me, it's whats to come that scares me.

First off, Carmac posted this. Carmac is high enough at ESL where I'm sure he could change a map pool for any game at any time. Yes this is an assumption, but I think it's a fair one.

But what's to be determined from this poll? Maybe he knows of the possibility of new maps coming to Quake Live, so he's preparing for an alteration in the map pool. The poll before this had people vote on the least competitive maps. The top two least competitive maps? T9 and DM6.

Yes on this poll, T9 is number two. If Carmac were to determine a map pool based on this polls results, then it seems to me that T9 would be kept. Why? What if we get new maps that are GOOD? What if we get something like Hub? Lets be honest here, the only reason T9 was put into the map pool was because of the push of it by top american players, the fact that the map was 'new', and it had teleporters, so it was 'similar to hub'. Well, what if we actually get hub? Wouldn't that be all the reason to put T9 out of the map pool?

The competitive community already agrees that T9 is shit. But according to this, T9 is spectator friendly. I'll agree with that, but who is ESL catering to? ESL is already in the business about promoting the players, not the league. So, if I LOVE Strenx, I'm going to watch him, regardless of what map he players. Would ESL really love XX% of viewers that T9 was put out of the map pool? I really really doubt it. ESL should be focused on a COMPETITIVE map pool, not a spectator friendly map pool. Yes, you can get the best of both worlds, but if it was up to spectators, we'd be playing DM6, T9 and DM17.

My main point is that the fans and viewers will watch Quake, regardless of specific maps. I really doubt people will not watch ESL TV because T9 isn't there, or DM6.

Lets get rid of the shit maps and put in good ones.

I think the "points" are just added up. So the map with the most votes (at the top of the results) is the worst spectator map.

ztn worst and dm13 best spectator map?
i can't believe that. has to be vice versa

I think most people didnt understand how to vote :)

i think they did

its even explained in the post
and the result says ztn is the best spectator map and dm13 the worst.

lets see....

ziel: "It's weird, I like playing T9 a lot..but I don't find demos of players on the map nearly as exciting as ztn/dm6 etc. " he voted [1] T9

Aquashark: "i like t7 because it's harder to lock down " he voted [5] T7

ok, maybe some didn't get it :P

Wow I fail.

Edit: fixed my vote.

it's subjective. just like this poll.

tldr + u r gillz

I agree with your point, t9 is a good map though. :p

This is the response to the crappy poll that you started to kill dm6/t9, because carmac really know his shit and knows how to make a correct poll and what people really like outside the scope of some haters that bash their own mediocrity to a particular map.

I didn't make that poll

Remove T9, It's trash.

Map pool:
5: hub3aeroq3
4: ztn3tourney1
3: qzdm6
2: qztourney7
1: qztourney4

According to the several leaks happening lately, there is hub3tourney1 comming but not aero.

;)

I voted the wrong way around for teh lolz

I watch players, not maps. That's why we need gtv. POV switching in Streams is NOT spectatorfriendly.

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mefajpE^ voted: [1] DM6, [2] T9, [3] DM13, [4] ZTN, [5] T7

I don't know why, but I don't like T7 at all, right from the beginning. It's boring to watch and play :s

T9 is really fun to play, but on competitive lvl, when things really matters I guess it's not that good at all due to tele random shit.

AND YOU CAN SAY WHAT YOU WANT, BUT DM6 DELIVERS!!!

.. for you !

Agreed from the new maps t9 is very funny and t7 is the boredom.

I hate dm13, boring to watch.

T7 is a great map, don't get it why people hate it so much. Probably not enough +back -.-.

I like dm13. You have to be a fucking ninja to be good at it. You can get stuck at RA and then fucked at mega, and then the lava burns your ass. Lots of cool shit here.

I hate t7, fucking water holding up your strafing, fucking bricks on the floor near RA taking your rockets without doing damage, fucking huge drop from top mega to bottom which is just shit to climb up there and own people that are sniping at you.


DM6 ... too fucking simple. It's a great map for newcomers but its just too easy. Let it die.

Tourney4 is very interesting to spec and pretty good to play. Strafing across middle should be the new "bridge-to rail" trick for newbies to practice

Tourney9 lol.. teleporter + spam + rush with lg + rocket spam.. fuck this. It's more fun than t7 but its still bad.

ZTN grenade spawn? FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU


Keep dm13/ztn/t4 + 3 new maps + add hub
= 7 map pool.

dm13 and ztn and t7 awesome to watch....dm6 is boring already and t9 is really boring after some time for spectating :/

remove dm13 boring shit

Am I the only one that gets bored with ALL these maps anymore? I like ztn & t7 just because they aren't t9/dm6/dm13.

If only there was a LARGE tournament map pool (of quality dueling maps) that the players could choose from so we don't have to see the same maps over and over. From a spectator pov (mine) I have to say I spectate quake less because I have to see the same maps ALL the time. I don't know how many people feel the same.

Large mappools means you have to practice way too many maps. Rather than one big mappool, I'd like to see a 5-map mappool where one map gets changed per half year or so.

Yeah that's very true. I like your 1/2 year idea as well. At least that would add something new every now and again.

dm6 is saw YAWN

T4 & Hub

lava

and then in this order: q2dm1, then t4 with a player called zero4 in it

on the same other hand, old is old. if she ain't broke, don't fix her:
[1] DM6, [2] DM13, [3] ZNT, [4] T9, [5] T7 (sorry dahang :p)

t7>dm13>ztn>dm6>t9

Seen and played so many dm6 and dm13 games from q3 until now. It's starting to get BLEEDING BORING.

Why are people in this scene often so afraid of moving forward?
Yes some continuity is needed, but its gone so stale now. I would actually cheer a little if dm13 and dm6 were removed.

How can you not like the ten minutes long plasma spam on teleporters that is T9????

nothing beats a telefrag !

2 telefrags.

respect !

:)

hub3aeroq3, but why not in qlive?????
why not more USEFUL dueling maps on qlive????

:S

i don't even know what t7 and t9 look like. pics?

It's clear talking about getting rid of maps like ztn from the mappool just because they are old is fucking retarded. The best moments at the last tournaments have happened there.

we need more dueling maps!!!!

T4

t4

DM6 & ZTN are like tied first and second of these five, love 'em both. Most hate on DM6 sounds like bullshit to me. Like the whole "coin toss based on spawns" thing*, hasn't seemed like it in most tournament games I've seen (far too many comebacks and game ties for that to make sense; also, as someone already said here, "say what you want but DM6 delivers") and not the impression rapha's cooller game cast gives.

Also pleases me greatly that T7 is at least one of the bottom two. >:@ Though would put DM13 above it and T9; really like it with 2GD's casting that really makes it seem like this awesome map about area control and extremely calculated risk.

Just my opinion :x

* -edit- Those spawns where you both see eachother at LG within like 1 second is f#%& dumb though.

ztn > dm13 > dm6 > t9 > t7

ooooobviously.

QuakeLive?

q2dm1 is the clear choice :)

Alright, let's do a little poll within a poll then because the main poll has been pretty inconsequential:

1. T4
2. Hub3Tourney1/Hub3aeroq3
3. T9
4. DM6
5. DM13
6. T7
7. Ztn

Some would want this 7-map choice in the map-pool, so let's just assume that we have 5 to pick out of 7 in a best of 5 match.

Given that T4 does not have LG, DM13 and T9 don't have Rail, what would be the most "balanced" map pool according to you? Pick your 5 now.

i'm surprised that you mention hub3tourney1 and not hub3aeroq3 :)
But i would be pretty happy with a such map pool.

Well, if the rumors are to believed, then hub3aeroq3 is not coming out and it's hub3tourney1. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong here.

Oh well, just to cover it, I've edited the listing. Also, which 5 maps would you pick?

mmh - hub / dm6 / ztn / dm13 and whatever the last one as they all have their own style

hub3tourney1 + new room
cpm22 with blue texture set (aerowalk from cpm as I'm sure everyone knows already!)

well if thats the case, i hope they wont use hub3tourney1 in any competitions. never found it that interesting :E

I'm sure you mean hub3aeroq3 as cpm22 doesn't make sense in vq3/ql.

No, I mean cpm22

So you're saying glue sniffing is now mandatory @ iD?

With the same item layout? YA right next to MH?

Don't know, but it's the same architecture but with hub3aeroq3 blue textures.

you can now add phrantic :)

Need to see it to believe it. Can't trust id.

longliveslasher leaked screenshots ...

I meant in flesh with some intense games on it.

aerowalk

apparently i voted on this thing backwards

ztn ownz