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Question about old Doom ingame demos (No comments)
Posted by baron Railgun @ 09:16 CDT, 4 July 2024 - iMsg
Did the id Software guys make the ingame demos with mouse movement (vertical) ON? Which cannot be disabled through normal options.

Or did they use at the time some utility to disable mouse movement so it would only act as rotate?
I am watching those demos but I still could not figure it out if mouse movement was ON or OFF.

(for ppl wanting to play old Doom games in Dosbox there is the utility called novert which is (apparently)* disabling vertical mouse)


*I did not test it yet
Edited by baron Railgun at 09:23 CDT, 4 July 2024 - 20 Hits
QuakeLive 4v4 CTF League (No comments)
Posted by artemis4 @ 08:19 CDT, 4 July 2024 - iMsg
Hi everyone,

This autumn we are hosting a QuakeLive CTF 4v4 league, just as in the good old days. The main difference with lots of other CTF-related events is the format: it is not a draft but a team event: you must find an existing team to join or create one yourself. There are already about 40 people ready to play, and we already have three teams.

Region: Europe
Schedule: Flexible. The league starts on the first week of September (1st of September). End date - TBD.
Sign up deadline: 30.08.2024

Format: Groups, then double elimination.
Prize pool: 1000+ euros
Maps: q3wcp9, japanesecatles, infinity, troubledwaters, ironworks.
Divisions: Depending on the teams registered, by the agreement with the others, we will have either one division or two. The first division will consist of the best players based on the community knowledge and/or the House Of Quake ratings at the time before the league starts; the second will be of the teams, the players of which are less experienced and/or have lower ratings.
Team roster limit: Only five people are allowed in a team.

Team limit: ~
Servers: Custom private servers.
Streamers: TBD
Sponsors: TBD
Rules: TBD
Discord: https://discord.gg/qd8Krx7kTk

If you want to participate, please join the discord.

In this discord, not only can you find other players to team up with, but you can also play pickups and stay up-to-date with this league and, possibly, future leagues.

Once you gather a team, contact the administrators in the #general channel: anyone with the "Custom Shop QL Team" role.

Good luck!
Edited by artemis4 at 08:48 CDT, 4 July 2024 - 75 Hits
Quake Live | COOLLER [Frag Movie] (Classic) (2 comments)
Posted by Regulator @ 10:31 CDT, 27 June 2024 - iMsg



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Rating: - (0 votes)
This is possibly the greatest Quake Frag Movie ever made.



By popular demand this movie is now back on the internet!

I thought I would share with all ESRers.

Thanks,
WASD Gamers
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Re: Quake Champions Classic Mod for Quake 1 (1 comment)
Posted by gojira_ @ 11:17 CDT, 23 June 2024 - iMsg
Nice. I like how we all agree, champions are better played on actual quake engine.
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Spiterbot Version .50 RC9 (No comments)
Posted by SquirrelzQL @ 20:12 CDT, 19 June 2024 - iMsg
I already made a post about Version .51 which I just labeled 2023, but I thought I would mention I did finally recover the prior prototype RC9 and I hotfixed it. So I just wanted to make a little update on whats going on with this mod. So basically, I needed to merge the contents within the RC9 Update (VM01.pk3) and overwrite contents inside of the March 29th Version (VM.pk3). After this, the mod works great.

I have decided to release a Hotfix on ModDB for all to use, hopefully you will like what this mod is like now. I think this is basically the restoration project concluded, in the future I will be uploading a few other prototype versions of Spiterbot but I still need to sort through potential incompatibility issues first.

I'd recommend playing any other bot but Spite, typically around level 70. The accuracy and response time are now reduced appropriately to the skill level. Spite is still a raw aimbot with perfect reaction speed, so play him at your own peril.

https://www.moddb.com/mods/spiterbot-v50-rc9u...9-hotfix-1
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A note to game developers (No comments)
Posted by ShadyVoltaire @ 01:59 CDT, 19 June 2024 - iMsg
If you want to financially win, then please add more attractive girls with big breasts.
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Team fortress mod in quakelive (No comments)
Posted by nined @ 03:08 CDT, 11 June 2024 - iMsg
How about organic integration into quakelive, team fortress mode, like it was before - q3tf. More fun and aternative to other ql team modes like ctf, tdm, ft etc.

And plz remasting and huge refreshing update.
Edited by nined at 03:09 CDT, 11 June 2024 - 228 Hits
TEnEP ETO PYCCKu CAuT (2 comments)
Posted by stpbozin @ 08:07 CDT, 7 June 2024 - iMsg
Chto by u velikih moralistov ne potekli slezki ot brannyh slov i oskorblenij, jetot tekst budet koncentratom faktov. Hot' v pervuju ochered' on i adresovan kom'juniti, razrabotchikam i razlichnym provodnikam, tak zhe stoit oznakomit'sja.



Da, Dzhon Karmak pishet otlichnye dvizhki. Uchityvaja vremja, te obstojatel'stva i metody, kotorye ispol'zoval Dzhon Karmak, ego po pravu mozhno nazvat' geniem. No, chto delaet ego legendarnym, tak jeto to, chto Dzhon Karmak otkryval ishodnyj kod svoih dvizhkov. Blagodarja jetomu, pojavilos' ogromnoe kolichestvo zamechatel'nyh igr. Vsja sut' progressa sostoit imenno v tom, chtoby narabotki odnih talantlivyh ljudej, ispol'zovalis' drugimi talantlivymi ljud'mi, dlja sozdanija chego-to novogo i luchshego, dlja budushhih pokolenij.

Po vsej vidimosti, na Frose zagorelas' shapka, kogda on uvidel moj predydushhij post. Po jetomu on ne smog prochest' i osmyslit' ego, i reshil sam dodumat' o chem shla rech'. Svoimi dogadkami on s udovol'stviem podelilsja na strime, rasskazav chto ih obvinjajut v vorovstve vdizhka ku3. Konechno, bylo by glupo, s moej storony, obvinjat' kogo ugodno, v vorovstve ishodnikov idtech3. No, raz Frosja ne ponjal o chem rech', pridetsja razzhevyvat'.

Kvejk kom'juniti perezhilo mnogoe. Samye jarkie, svetlye, jepichnye momenty, konechno zhe byli v kvejk lajv. Nu, a samye sil'nye potrjasenija, konechno zhe, prines kvejk chempions. Igra, so starta, ne zadalas'. Uzhasnaja optimizacija, kucha bagov, disbalans, lozh ot razrabotchikov. Kom'juniti, izo vseh sil pytalas' chto-to ispravit'. No, kamennye lica, zaranee proplachennyh pro-igrokov, ubezhdali nas chto vse normal'no. Chto vse budet horosho, nuzhno tol'ko PODOZhDAT'' i POMOLChAT''. My zhdali, my molchali, mnogimi mesjacami, godami igraja so slomannymi hitboksami, s raketami bez urona, bez splesha, s dyrjavymi kartami i tak dalee. I terpeli my vse jeto radi togo chtoby igra prosto izdohla, tak i ne stav igrabel'noj?

Jeto ponjatno, chto vremja razrabotchikov stoit deneg. No, po vsej vidimosti, tol'ko razrabotchikov. Po vsej vidimosti nashe vremja, vremja bydla, holopov i ne obrazovannyh skvernoslovov - ne stoit ni chego. Dlja nih my prosto stado, massovka. Oni - svetlye umy, a my nikto. No, im nuzhno nabrat' opredelennoe kolichestvo, bezlikoj, molchalivoj tolpy. Chtoby ta sozdavala vidimost' aktivnosti, vidimost' zainteresovannosti publiki i ne vystupala. No, esli vy budite vystupat', jeto budet meshat' PROEKTU razvivat'sja i vy budite likvidirovany.

Da, mozhno vozrazit'. Pogodite, no JeTO ZhE DRUGOE! Jetot kvejk delajut NAShI dlja SEBJa. Mozhet byt', mozhet byt'. No poka chto, byl oskorblen i unizhen predstavitel' malorossii - pepko, byl podvergnut atake bejz, byl zabanen agent i byli zatknuty za pojas vse ostal'nye. Nu i chto tut drugoe? Esli otnoshenie k kom'juniti takoe zhe kak bylo v kvejk chempions? Nas opjat' uverjajut chto vse horosho, chto nuzhno tol'ko podozhdat' i pomolchat'. Hotja svoimi glazami mozhno uvidet' chto vse ochen' i ochen' ploho. Nam opjat' rasskazyvajut pro malen'kuju indi kompaniju, kotoraja staraetsja tol'ko dlja vas. Opjat' kormjat nas obeshhanijami, rasskazyvajut chto vse tol'ko nachinaetsja. Opjat' provodjat chempionat na slomannoj, syroj igre i zatykajut vsem rty. Zachem vy jeto delaete, zachem vy nastupaete na te zhe grabli? V peredi 6 let beta testa, bez edinogo luchika sveta. I esli vy dumaete chto bladran uzhe luchshe, potomu-chto fps bol'she, to jeto zabluzhdenie, oshibka. Kogda oni nachnut dobavljat' vysokopoligonal'nye modeli i slozhnuju animaciju, vashi fpsy uletjat v trubu.

Vam ne nravitsja kak kritikujut vashi igru? A kto zhe vas zastavljal sobirat' vseh v igre, kotoraja ne sdelana dazhe na polovinu? Vas oskorbljajut, da? A vy dumaete nas ne oskorbljajut beskonechnye chudo razrabotchiki, kotorye obeshhajut nam zolotye gory? Vy schitaete u vas est' pravo izdevat'sja nad ljud'mi, raz vy celuju tyshhu zaplatili? Ja govorju o tom kak vy prinuzhdaete vseh hodit' po stojke smirno. Zastavljaete ljudej ulybat'sja, hvalit' igru i osuzhdat' agenta, ugrozhaja raspravoj(a, kuller ugrozhaet dazhe fizicheskoj raspravoj). Esli dlja vas takoe povedenie priemlemo, to ja ne vizhu ni kakih prichin, po kotorym ljuboe drugoe povedenie mozhet byt' nepriemlemym. Vy hudshie predstaviteli chelovechestva. Kak tol'ko u vas pojavilas' minimal'naja vlast', vy tut zhe nachinaete eju zloupotrebljat'. Ne znaju s kogo vy kopiruete model' povedenija, no jeto hudshee chto mozhno bylo vybrat' iz vsego spektra. Zanimat' poziciju "ne nravitsja - ne igraj", jeto ochen' nizkij uroven'. S takimi sposobnostjami luchshe molchat' i ne kommunicirovat' s soobshhestvom.

Chto kasaetsja kradennogo koda. V predydushhem poste ja opisal unikal'nye bagi, daleko ne vse, kotorye jekskljuzivny dlja kvejk chempions i bladran. I uchityvaja chto kvejk chempions napisan na idtech5, a bladran na idtech3(v kotorom podobnyh bagov ne sushhestvovalo), to takie identichnye bagi ne mogli pojavit'sja sluchajno. Bol'she tut obsuzhdat' nechego, za iskljucheniem togo, chto ispol'zuja kradennyj kod vy rasskazyvaete o morali. Jeto uzhasnoe licemerie i ego, kak i kullera, hotelos' by slyshat' pomen'she. Poskol'ku kuller jeto ne tol'ko chsv, a tak zhe zhivoe voploshhenie licemerija.


Voobshhem, jeto ne ja nachal zatirat' pro moral', a vy. Po jetomu ja predlagaju vam izvinit'sja pered kom'juniti za deviantnoe povedenie, za vashe licemerie i za kullera. Zamet'te, ja ne stavlju pered vami nevypolnimyh zadach, ja ponimaju chto kuller s ego neobosnovannym chsv izvinjat'sja ne stanet. No, ty Frosja, buduchi mjagkim i gibkim, mozhesh' i dolzhen publichno izvinit'sja. Za sebja, za kuller, za vse.
Edited by stpbozin at 14:33 CDT, 7 June 2024 - 375 Hits

<< Comment #1 @ 12:33 CST, 10 January 2011 >>
By 2k2_2 Nukm 
I would like to see a fixed spread in all modes and a slight dmg buff in TDM (dont know about CTF as i never play it). hard to judge without getting a feel for it with a new spread
Edited by Nukm at 16:08 CST, 10 January 2011
<< Comment #2 @ 12:40 CST, 10 January 2011 >>
By Plusme ins 
cpm style pls !
<< Comment #109 @ 08:52 CST, 13 January 2011 >>
By Portugal u3a6  - Reply to #2
randomness is a good thing...
<< Comment #3 @ 12:43 CST, 10 January 2011 >>
By Beer! becks 
I really opposed to having it act differently in different modes, even though it sound like a good idea at first.

For one thing it will feel a bit "weird" changing from one mode to the other. Secondly, after it is done, I'd expect there to be more complaints about balance rather than less.
Because one that "barrier" has been broken, people will start demanding a little tweak for that gun in that mode and so on. It would never end.
<< Comment #4 @ 12:54 CST, 10 January 2011 >>
By Sweden Bluder  - Reply to #3
haven''t this been done before in cpma? mg nerf in TDM or what ever it was?
<< Comment #6 @ 12:57 CST, 10 January 2011 >>
By Nobles3 Drexciyian  - Reply to #4
mg was the same in every mode in cpm, it was 5 dmg but because players move faster and the armour were strong it felt alot weaker

q3/osp u had 7 dmg mg in everything cept tdm which was 5 dmg
Edited by Drexciyian at 12:58 CST, 10 January 2011
<< Comment #7 @ 12:59 CST, 10 January 2011 >>
By Austria noctis  - Reply to #6
and it was still too strong in tdm :/
<< Comment #13 @ 14:30 CST, 10 January 2011 >>
By Nobles3 Drexciyian  - Reply to #7
blame armour
<< Comment #142 @ 06:43 CST, 30 January 2011 >>
By QuakeLive.cz baron Railgun  - Reply to #3
"people will start demanding a little tweak for that gun in that mode and so on. It would never end"
I don't see the problem here
people will complain endless abt the SG anyway
<< Comment #143 @ 07:36 CST, 30 January 2011 >>
By Beer! becks  - Reply to #142
"that gun in that mode" was meant to say that some people will find something to nag about every gun in every mode.
<< Comment #144 @ 08:03 CST, 30 January 2011 >>
By QuakeLive.cz baron Railgun  - Reply to #143
I see but I don't think this is a solid enough argument not to )
based on this asumption mods like osp and other would have never exist ( abit far off argument I know)
Edited by ScarletJohansonsFather at 08:04 CST, 30 January 2011
<< Comment #5 @ 12:56 CST, 10 January 2011 >>
CPM style but with 20 pellets
<< Comment #8 @ 13:05 CST, 10 January 2011 >>
By Hungary s7ry 
Q3 cpm style for the fucking win!
<< Comment #9 @ 13:06 CST, 10 January 2011 >>
By knirtlotz*deotrip deotrip 
cpm style
<< Comment #10 @ 13:06 CST, 10 January 2011 >>
By cooller skint 
cpm one is only way to go, why have more random stuff than we need to?
<< Comment #11 @ 13:08 CST, 10 January 2011 >>
By United Kingdom Ryfje 
cpm style
<< Comment #12 @ 13:19 CST, 10 January 2011 >>
By grey kg 
Noooo, make the spread non-random. :(
<< Comment #14 @ 14:48 CST, 10 January 2011 >>
By Estonia deji 
Uniform spread and possibly a bit wider spread than it is now. Maybe it's just the randomness bugging me, maybe it's the too tight spread, but some mid-range shots deal way too much damage.
<< Comment #15 @ 15:12 CST, 10 January 2011 >>
By djogedj h8m3 
as i said earlier: nerf every bullet by 1, increase the radius with some more bullets so that overall dmg stays the same/bit lower
<< Comment #16 @ 15:13 CST, 10 January 2011 >>
By 2k2_2 Nukm 
Keep it as it is: 0%

esr united afterall? :D
<< Comment #30 @ 02:45 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Beer! becks  - Reply to #16
of course not :D
<< Comment #17 @ 16:05 CST, 10 January 2011 >>
By Scotland Something 
Cpm spread for me please, it stops the med-long range abuse and allows for consistency.

Someone said somewhere that id is agaisnt using a cpm like spread pattern? If this is true, why?
<< Comment #102 @ 19:54 CST, 12 January 2011 >>
By USA_UK Jamerio  - Reply to #17
Probably because it allows expereinced players to lock down newer players more easily.

its happening with all new games like sf4, they make the majority of things easier to do so old school players can't dominate as easily.
<< Comment #110 @ 10:35 CST, 14 January 2011 >>
By t2 tourist  - Reply to #102
and that's why Jamerio is utter shit at sf even tho he's been playing it for 10 years.
<< Comment #116 @ 01:41 CST, 17 January 2011 >>
By United Kingdom ZeritoN  - Reply to #110
That's a bit harsh. He does have a 70% use rating on one of the characters.
<< Comment #18 @ 16:12 CST, 10 January 2011 >>
<< Comment #23 @ 22:15 CST, 10 January 2011 >>
By Unset 26671  - Reply to #18
Yes, because some vague statement from someone who doesn't develop the game is an indication that the issue with the overpowered shotty is going to be solved entirely.
<< Comment #24 @ 22:19 CST, 10 January 2011 >>
<< Comment #27 @ 00:26 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Unset 26671  - Reply to #24
Sync has yet to really specify anything on what's been changed, and "trust me on this one, it's going to be fixed" isn't good enough for me to be convinced at least.
<< Comment #19 @ 17:00 CST, 10 January 2011 >>
By Dird's Xmas tree ;o Bob 
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Edited by Bob at 18:28 CDT, 26 June 2024
<< Comment #20 @ 21:28 CST, 10 January 2011 >>
By ql SyncError 
I agree that some change is needed -- some changes have already been made in fact and are currently in testing.

But, I thought it would be worth it to the discussion if everyone was using better pictures of the QL shotgun spread.

The best way to get a good image of the actual spread is to do the following:

devmap <whatever>
give all
weapon_reload_sg 50

Then fire the sg in a short burst, preferably at a picmipped wall. You'll see that there isn't much randomness involved. The QL spread consists of 3 concentric circles with 6, 6, and 8 pellets per ring (inner, middle, outer).

We are however most likely doing away from any real randomness despite me making note of the fact that we have very little. --> http://www.donniedomino.com/images/shot0027.jpg
Edited by SyncError at 21:50 CST, 10 January 2011
<< Comment #26 @ 23:49 CST, 10 January 2011 >>
By United Kingdom Oleedee  - Reply to #20
i really like the sg how it is, although maybe overpowered when it comes to tdm.
but i also agree with becks to never change stuff between gamemodes. it has to be the same throught quake imo

devmap <whatever>
give all
weapon_reload_GL 1
<< Comment #31 @ 03:51 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Austria noctis  - Reply to #26
"it has to be the same throught quake imo"

That just doesnt work. Duel weapon balance just hurts TDM gameplay.

Duel lives from having every weapon serve a different purpose with most of them being strong in certain situations.
This may also be true for TDM but to a lot lesser degree. TDM needs a tiered weapon system with actual weaker and stronger weapons that are worth fighting for as a team otherwise TDM becomes an FFA mess if you can just pick up the next best gun and rape someone who just took RA. It doesn't help either that armor is paper thin in this game, RA in qw for example takes 75% of the dmg and gives you 200 when you pick it up. This gives you an actual reason to fight for RA and you get rewarded with having control over it but im not saying to go all the way and use qw 1-1 in ql since that wouldnt work due to other differences in the games. It would still be the right direction tho.

MG btw has been a problem for tdm for even longer than SG, shouldn't be forgotten either.
<< Comment #33 @ 04:24 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Beer! becks  - Reply to #31
since you bring up the qw example, imo it shows that it is possible to have a weapon balance that works both in tdm and duel.
<< Comment #34 @ 04:31 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Austria noctis  - Reply to #33
qw duel is horrible :D
<< Comment #36 @ 04:34 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Beer! becks  - Reply to #34
I'm gonna leave this discussion to Ake Vader :D
<< Comment #38 @ 07:40 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Seychelles zealot  - Reply to #36
he's got a point though, serious qw duel can be boring as fuck as the weapons (esp. shaft) are so strong that most attacks will result in the instant death of the attacker.

watch some dm4/dm6 when it's not reppie and griffin playing, don't even get me started on dm2 :p people are too easily impressed by aero games.

besides, we had different mg damage in different gametypes in q3, it's not actually a new thing.
<< Comment #40 @ 07:44 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Beer! becks  - Reply to #38
the point is that after 15 years they still get more players at a LAN duel tournament than ql, so it can't be all that horrible.
<< Comment #41 @ 07:54 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Austria noctis  - Reply to #40
only because when you have a lan with lots of tdm teams you are pretty much bound to have some of them play duel for fun ^^
<< Comment #44 @ 08:03 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Beer! becks  - Reply to #41
qw duel is horrible

some of them play duel for fun

:o]
<< Comment #46 @ 08:19 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Austria noctis  - Reply to #44
whats your point, horrible things can still be fun... :)

just depends on what way they are horrible in :P
Edited by noctis at 08:22 CST, 11 January 2011
<< Comment #48 @ 08:22 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Beer! becks  - Reply to #46
Ah damn, you're right, I give up.

I completely forgot that with you guys having fun and playing games are not connected ;P
<< Comment #50 @ 08:28 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Austria noctis  - Reply to #48
you have no idea ;/
<< Comment #51 @ 08:28 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Beer! becks  - Reply to #50
:´(((
<< Comment #83 @ 12:58 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By QW horf  - Reply to #46
getting drunk is a good example.....
<< Comment #42 @ 08:01 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Seychelles zealot  - Reply to #40
it's probably the most fun i ever had in quake but not exactly a good example of how weapon balance should be done (in duel).

if challenge-tv.com wasn't the most useless site in existence i'd show you some demos, when i still followed qw the qhlan duel finals were good examples iirc.
<< Comment #45 @ 08:05 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Beer! becks  - Reply to #42
see #44 ;)
<< Comment #49 @ 08:22 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Seychelles zealot  - Reply to #45
you're probably kidding but that's what i was trying to say all along... it's fun when not taken overly serious, the flaws get very obvious when it's played with money on the line.
<< Comment #65 @ 10:26 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By t2 tourist  - Reply to #33
weapon balance? in qw? rofl
<< Comment #76 @ 11:20 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Beer! becks  - Reply to #65
trust in tourist to misinterpret a term :)
<< Comment #79 @ 12:25 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By t2 tourist  - Reply to #76
oh please do explain the weapon balance in qw.
<< Comment #84 @ 13:01 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By t2 tourist  - Reply to #76
no? trust in becks to not know wtf he's talking about.
<< Comment #85 @ 13:06 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Beer! becks  - Reply to #84
waiting for your third reply :)
<< Comment #87 @ 13:21 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By t2 tourist  - Reply to #85
trust in becks to not have any real arguments. :)
<< Comment #88 @ 13:23 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Beer! becks  - Reply to #87
nah my reply just remains the same.

I would add a 'lol', though :]
<< Comment #89 @ 13:32 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By t2 tourist  - Reply to #88
don't be so analogue now.
<< Comment #91 @ 13:58 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Beer! becks  - Reply to #89
well, at least you see that slight similarity.

Of course I, again, want you to show that you actually know the term we are discussing. But don't worry I'm gonna give you more time.


On a sidenote, I find it hilarious that you still refer to that as your "biggest win". Considering, you were so adamant in your statement that changing the software would yield no improvement :P
<< Comment #92 @ 14:13 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By t2 tourist  - Reply to #91
lol
<< Comment #43 @ 08:02 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By United States of America T1E  - Reply to #31
can you explain to me how limiting ammo for sg wouldn't be a good idea?
<< Comment #47 @ 08:20 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Austria noctis  - Reply to #43
on its own that wouldn't change a thing in tdm
<< Comment #32 @ 04:18 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Sweden tybalt  - Reply to #26
People usually stick to whatever game mode they enjoy the most. Even if you were to switch the way you aim is the same, just a change in damage. Why let one mode suffer that could be so much better? :< Anyway noctis is right, the mg also ruined TDM at the end of q3 due to the mass amounts of cessing.
Edited by tybalt at 04:22 CST, 11 January 2011
<< Comment #35 @ 04:33 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Beer! becks  - Reply to #32
Ask noctis or fazz if there are players who play more than one mode ;P

Even if you were to switch the way you aim is the same, just a change in damage.

imo it's less about the way to aim and more about the time when it "feels right" to use shotgun. (given you have another weapon to switch to)
I'd expect that people playing different modes will encounter situations, where they end up making a bad weapon choice simply because they played the other mode the day before.

So, at the very least this would mean a slight advantage for people who only play one mode, and I personally don't think that that would be beneficial to the future of ql.
<< Comment #37 @ 07:05 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By 2k2_2 Nukm  - Reply to #20
good point about the image, although in order to get the full picture i think that there should be both, a screenshot showing 100 hits and a screenshot showing to what degree the semi random spread can still "mess up" a single shot (although i didnt wait for a worst case scenario shot here ^^).



anyway, glad to hear that you are testing out some sg changes and the fixed spread in your screen looks really well.
Edited by Nukm at 07:09 CST, 11 January 2011
<< Comment #39 @ 07:43 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Seychelles zealot  - Reply to #37
lool the german did a swastika
<< Comment #96 @ 19:50 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By United Kingdom ZeritoN  - Reply to #37
IT'S A SIGN



Edited by ZeritoN at 19:51 CST, 11 January 2011
<< Comment #21 @ 21:53 CST, 10 January 2011 >>
By United Kingdom ZeritoN 
Was gonna make this thread myself but better that there's a poll for it.

I just want the Q3 CPM spread on it. The weapon is used so much in TDM because there's generally 2 of it on every map.
<< Comment #22 @ 22:14 CST, 10 January 2011 >>
By Unset 26671 
20 pellets? Are you fucking kidding me? No wonder this gun is loved so much by newbs. Nerf it to OSP/Q4 standards, problem solved.
<< Comment #29 @ 02:44 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Beer! becks  - Reply to #22
lol.
<< Comment #97 @ 20:05 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Unset 26671  - Reply to #29
lol @ German basement dwellers
<< Comment #99 @ 02:23 CST, 12 January 2011 >>
By Beer! becks  - Reply to #97
yeah lol at them.


While discussing weapon balance of a video game O.o
<< Comment #113 @ 22:25 CST, 16 January 2011 >>
By Unset 26671  - Reply to #99
You're right -- German basement dwellers are still German basement dwellers regardless of what they do unless it's going outside.
<< Comment #120 @ 04:04 CST, 17 January 2011 >>
By Beer! becks  - Reply to #113
Yes, they are.

And 21-year-old Canadian morons are still 21-year-old Canadian morons no matter how much they try to look cool ;)
<< Comment #25 @ 23:37 CST, 10 January 2011 >>
By United States of America Lo 
warsows shotgun spread is the best
<< Comment #74 @ 11:04 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By QW horf  - Reply to #25
actually it has its flaws can used it at a farther mid-range like on wdm2 and still chip off decent amounts of damage well imo
<< Comment #95 @ 19:30 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By United States of America Lo  - Reply to #74
could just add more pellets and reduce the damage of each pellet, but i think the shape of the wsw sg spread > cpms
Edited by Lo at 19:31 CST, 11 January 2011
<< Comment #101 @ 04:39 CST, 12 January 2011 >>
By QW horf  - Reply to #95
shape yes hate its immense range for a shot gun make s midrange kinda annoying mind you I can't dodge for shit at my 200ms to all servers
<< Comment #28 @ 02:39 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By United Kingdom Six16 
cpma sg spread/dmg would be cool with me.
<< Comment #52 @ 08:47 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Denmark Vium 
I like it as it is. it brings chaos and comebacks possible with a tier2 weapon. Do we really want the camp and defensive play that rl + rg play gives? This demand is only cause some people want a slow game where they can camp "important" items without getting disturbed by the puny mg and sg "spawners".
Whats next, old hitboxes and 100 dmg rails? zzzzz
<< Comment #53 @ 09:07 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Austria noctis  - Reply to #52
it brings only chaos, not comebacks

comebacks come when control is shifted and the team getting it can go on killing sprees without getting raped by low tier guns.
<< Comment #59 @ 09:40 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Denmark Vium  - Reply to #53
having usefull lowtier guns can shift the control much more rapid, and punish mistakes easier. Having overpowered tier 1 guns (compared to lower tiers) can lock down maps completely like we saw in early eurocups, which in my opinion brings a less entertaining match to spec. and to play.
<< Comment #61 @ 09:48 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Austria noctis  - Reply to #59
"having usefull lowtier guns can shift the control much more rapid"

if control is shifting every 30 seconds it just means there is no control and you can just as well play ffa
<< Comment #62 @ 10:03 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Denmark Vium  - Reply to #61
I just like the fact that camping ra is not as usefull as raw fighting skill + rushing ppl before they can gather themselves.
But we all have our preferences.
<< Comment #64 @ 10:15 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Austria noctis  - Reply to #62
yeah, mine is in tdm while yours is apparently in ffa/ca
Edited by noctis at 10:17 CST, 11 January 2011
<< Comment #68 @ 10:32 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Denmark Vium  - Reply to #64
like that is a bad thing. :>
but no i'm all for nice tdm action, which I think we have with the current quakelive setup. (could need mpov, more stats, remove old maps and other sub features before its perfect)
<< Comment #82 @ 12:38 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By United States of America w0nk0  - Reply to #59
"useful low tier weapons" is too vague. the problem with ql sg for instance is that it isnt just useful, its useful almost all the time, irrespective of situation. u dont really have to think at all to use it, where as in cpm for instance if u had pg or sg only, they are still very very useful, but u had to think to put urself in a position to use them. charging someone with sg mindlessly only gets you killed over and over.

also i dont get why u assume having stronger armors/quad etc makes for a campier game. it will only do that if ur a stupid camper and cant time items and move tactically. as ql stands now theres practically no incentive to actually go anywhere on a map, as long as u stay together in some random area. theres little focus on anything other than positioning to do damage without taking damage urself.

anyway not going to elaborate more since this has been discussed ad infinitum, and doubtless ddk will come up with one of his long posts that explains everything (again) in excruciating detail if this discussion goes on :).
<< Comment #86 @ 13:19 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Denmark Vium  - Reply to #82
well in cpm the sg is affected by a number of factors not only by the way the pellets spread. not really a valid comparison.
and ppl are exaggerating the effect of the current sg spread, its not useful in every situation and it will not give you insta kills from any distance. And yes a sg should give you a kill if you hit 2-3 direct shots at short-mid distance.
Its like vor_ posted, a gun easy to get and usually 2 places to get it on the map, so ofc it's used alot.
<< Comment #54 @ 09:11 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By 2k2_2 Nukm  - Reply to #52
god i hope you are being sarcastic
<< Comment #55 @ 09:16 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Seychelles zealot  - Reply to #52
no, i want a game resembling tdm where control of areas and items is worth something. not ffa with teams where everyone can spawn near sg and go on a rampage the second he grabs it.
<< Comment #57 @ 09:21 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Sweden tybalt  - Reply to #52
go play ffa if you want chaos
<< Comment #60 @ 09:45 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Quake 3 (black) ddk  - Reply to #52
it brings easy-mode gameplay for people who don't like to think about their approach to the game - which is great if you don't think intelligent tactical play or strategy is important. just keep advocating the weapon which is useful in 100% of situations and is always functional no matter what.

it's not about a game being "slow" or "fast" it's about it rewarding individual skill and team coordination, you have a warped sense of what gameplay should be. it's like when people say 'quake is better than cs because it's faster' - how the hell does anyone take that justification seriously? if it's better or worse it's for many other more SPECIFIC reasons other than some abstract concept of speed. all stating that does is just reveal a severe lack of overall understanding.

you say that a perk is that it brings 'chaos', why is that better than more organisation? you know that's actually horrible for spectators to follow in comparison? and it also means the skill ceiling is lower because the parts of the thinking game are much less valuable and contribute less to overall individual/team skill.

comebacks with a tier2 weapon... you aren't aware that in tdm it's actually a high tier weapon? it actually stifles comebacks, because if your team manages to win a quad with a good attack or a series of good manoeuvres, your quad man with his puny 3x quad damage, will probably be able to take maximum of 2 shotgun blasts or sometimes just one before he dies. if THAT isn't enough to kill him, he'll probably already be getting picked away at from long range by someones mg. Quad is supposed to give your team map control for a limited period of time, people should want to run away from quad in a 1on1 fight, not try to sacrifice their life for ONE SHOT on the quad guy which stops him from being able to do anything if it lands - this is often the case right now.

"This demand is only cause some people want a slow game where they can camp "important" items without getting disturbed by puny mg and sg "spawners". Not sure really where to start with this, it's pretty incoherent. Either way, the reason people have a demand for it is because they want quake to be a game with a high skill ceiling.

the reason the mg should be nerfed as well is that a spawner shouldn't be able to have a large impact on the game, that's your punishment for dying and your killer/his teams reward (frag/control). however the armours are so weak and the mg so effective that dying isn't much of a punishment and the better team is rewarded much less.
Edited by ddk at 09:53 CST, 11 January 2011
<< Comment #63 @ 10:15 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Denmark Vium  - Reply to #60
I find tdm much more skillfull now then it ever has been. Top teams can't lock down the games against each other without playing very good, hitting high percentages, controlling items with pin point timing (including guns). And generally help each other at zone control. I find it positive that it demands insane skill to control almost any item alone, like it should be in a team game.
<< Comment #66 @ 10:28 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By England vor_  - Reply to #63
I mostly agree. Right now it takes amazing play to completely lock an equal team out of the map with the current weapon balance, if this is somehow made easier with nerfs to certain weapons, games will be so one-sided to the point of being not worth watching. A game where the disadvantaged team is absolutely fucked with no chance to use their weak ineffective weapons to get back in the match would be a disaster.
<< Comment #69 @ 10:35 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Denmark Vium  - Reply to #66
4k will win all matches with their 25-4 starts of each map. :P
<< Comment #134 @ 15:57 CST, 20 January 2011 >>
By Quake 3 (black) crea*  - Reply to #66
q1? not a desaster by a long shot
<< Comment #136 @ 03:17 CST, 22 January 2011 >>
By PerpetualWar PerpetualWar  - Reply to #66
I kinda agree..... this whole 'teams that have better control are not rewarded as much for their perfect play and too much randomness included' talk is not necessarily a bad thing. Like vor_ says in the end it it will just make certain teams unbeatable, in spite of TDM being more ffa which is kinda true.

TDM (and QL in general) don't have many teams involved in it, and if u take away that randomness to get back into the game for weaker teams, not many teams will continue to play and it will kill QL TDM much faster. There will be few teams that plays great TDM and thats it.

noctis is kinda right what could be better TDM, but in this case (QL) I'm not sure it would help in a long run.
<< Comment #56 @ 09:17 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Slovenia ambro 
id be happy with greater spread on mid and high distance.

spread randomness might be ok, its not as effective/important on short distance and pellets does not perform like mg/rg on long distance.
<< Comment #58 @ 09:36 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By 2k2_2 Nukm  - Reply to #56
spread randomness might be ok
well yes, it does not matter that much close range, but whats really annoying are those mid range shots that do so much dmg because somehow 5-6 pallets hit because they were so close together. of course it needs to be tested but i think a fixed spread would already do a major part in balancing.
<< Comment #78 @ 11:42 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Slovenia ambro  - Reply to #58
valid point. grouping pallets coz of weird randomess at spreading is anoying.
q3 cpm spread with each pallet acting like mg bullet (small random spread per bullet) could work.
Edited by ambro at 11:42 CST, 11 January 2011
<< Comment #67 @ 10:31 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By iron deus 
Stevie wonder is hitting 50percent shotgun with a steering wheel.
<< Comment #70 @ 10:43 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By England vor_ 
I don't think Shotgun is the problem, the real problem is the maps. Every map is designed in such a way that assumes the Shotgun to be a low-tier low-impact weapon. The reality is the Shotgun has a significant impact in TDM, none of the weapon layouts on current maps reflect this.

I don't think that there would be anywhere near as much complaining if almost all the maps didn't contain 2 Shotguns. Is it any wonder that the majority of kills in TDM are from Shotgun, when you are almost always guaranteed that you can go and safely obtain one of the two that spawn on most maps?

Maps still seem to be designed with OSP weapon balance in mind, we're way beyond that era now as far as how strong certain weapons are.

I'd rather see a boost to the supposed higher tier weapons than nerfing Shotgun. I'd rather see cripple on the LG again (maybe with the old damage values) and 100-damage Rail, before the Shotgun gets made worse. Playing with guns that feel weak is dull and boring to me. Part of the reason that Shotgun is "overpowered" is because other weapons are absolutely underpowered.
<< Comment #71 @ 10:54 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By 2k2_2 Nukm  - Reply to #70
i think you have a point when it comes to map design, but still, in the end i would rather "fix" the sg then change all maps o0 (and the random spread would still suck)

but stronger weapons? i think the weapons work just fine and with the level of aim nowadays the old value were just outdated. getting a good angle with lg will still destroy an opponent, rail is still important and every hit a noticeable blow, rockets are strong as ever. i rather feel like the armor already isnt worth that much, so giving these weapons more dmg again would be a really bad thing imho. and i think nobody wants the sg to suck, they want the sg to be useful where its supposed to be good., but leave it situational and not an all purpose weapon
Edited by Nukm at 10:58 CST, 11 January 2011
<< Comment #72 @ 11:00 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By England vor_  - Reply to #71
Yeah the armor system is awful as well, but theres never been even a hint of hope for a change there. Ideally I'd want maps with proper weapon layouts, armor that actually protects your health-pool from damage, stronger LG/Rail. I don't see anything coming other than apparently a knee-jerk Shotgun nerf.
<< Comment #75 @ 11:10 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By 2k2_2 Nukm  - Reply to #72
well yeah, the whole concept might be debatable but as you said, its not going to change drastically and hey, its still a lot of fun as it is. the sg change would just be small step but i believe that it would make the game more enjoyable so, why not do it?
<< Comment #93 @ 14:32 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Seychelles zealot  - Reply to #72
this. this. this. :>
<< Comment #73 @ 11:02 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Quake 3 (black) ddk  - Reply to #70
you should play qw =)
<< Comment #100 @ 02:27 CST, 12 January 2011 >>
By Germany leopold  - Reply to #70
This
<< Comment #77 @ 11:35 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Unset retire 
I always thought the point of Q3 was that all the weapons are situational and gaining advantageous positioning through tricking your opponent, or whatever it takes is how you regain control, yet shotgun is useful in almost every situation as it stands in QL (like a couple other weapons). However in Q3 the SG was perfect, it didn't have a balance issue and was just as deadly as the "top tier" (RL/RG/LG) in the correct situation.
CPMA VQ3 had overpowered shaft and rail, everyone knows that. Other than that though, it was practically perfect weapon balance-wise. So why doesn't id take a logical approach and change back to how it was, then make small changes from there. I don't understand how the QL balance got into such a mess tbh. There was already a good base to work with.
Shaft could be reduced to 7-7-7, with the same knockback and cripple effect as before, and rail could be changed back to CPMA VQ3 but with -10 damage, and maybe a little more reload time. The rest of the weapons in VQ3 are all powerful enough in their designated situations to regain control if you have a brain.

edit: MG was also overpowered in vq3, but it could be a little underpowered now, so I think that increasing its bullet spread and reducing the damage to 6 would be a good compromise, but thats just an off-the-cuff idea.
Edited by diabz` at 11:38 CST, 11 January 2011
<< Comment #141 @ 06:40 CST, 30 January 2011 >>
By QuakeLive.cz baron Railgun  - Reply to #77
how did CPMA VQ3 overpowered the railgun?
Edited by ScarletJohansonsFather at 06:41 CST, 30 January 2011
<< Comment #80 @ 12:29 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Russia Splashhh 
CQ3 PG & SG better imho
If you don't like ffa in tdm - don't play dm6 & Hidden fortress 4x4
<< Comment #81 @ 12:36 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By QW faerie_  - Reply to #80
I fucking wish people played cq3 here.
<< Comment #90 @ 13:38 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
i just trimmed my armpit hair, what an odd sensation!
<< Comment #94 @ 15:09 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By Denmark amOKchen 
Like always, I like it the way it is!
<< Comment #98 @ 20:32 CST, 11 January 2011 >>
By United States of America erok 
cpm style is far superior
<< Comment #103 @ 19:54 CST, 12 January 2011 >>
By USA_UK Jamerio  - Reply to #98
Yet its a dead game. with a dead community. Go figure dummy.
Edited by Jamerio at 19:55 CST, 12 January 2011
<< Comment #105 @ 20:58 CST, 12 January 2011 >>
By United States of America erok  - Reply to #103
i was referring to the sg
<< Comment #121 @ 04:56 CST, 17 January 2011 >>
By Galicia SIHdW3W  - Reply to #103
i see an old game with a small community, but not dead, it's like a small neighborhood, everybody knows everybody and we got peaceful and cool games.. I like the way it is honestly, quite fun if you enjoy the gameplay
<< Comment #104 @ 20:05 CST, 12 January 2011 >>
By lolfly lol frs 
when sg gets nerfed its super-fucking-important that quad is boosted back to 4x, since the main reason for 3x quad was everyone doing their quadruns with sg and 1 shotting everyone
<< Comment #106 @ 21:52 CST, 12 January 2011 >>
By QW faerie_  - Reply to #104
no, use the fucking railgun.
<< Comment #107 @ 23:13 CST, 12 January 2011 >>
By lolfly lol frs  - Reply to #106
people can survive quad rails, and it does happen once in a while. my point was that quad is just shit now and the obvious overpoweredness of quad+sg is gone
<< Comment #108 @ 23:36 CST, 12 January 2011 >>
By QW faerie_  - Reply to #107
looks like I need a new sarcasm detector, the needle is stuck below " maybe "
<< Comment #112 @ 06:17 CST, 15 January 2011 >>
By Unset retire  - Reply to #107
use shaft, it was always 3x in q3
<< Comment #118 @ 03:40 CST, 17 January 2011 >>
By Finland juM8o  - Reply to #112
shaft was way better in q3, more dps and bigger hitboxes. IMO quad needs to be 4x to make it worth fighting for.
<< Comment #111 @ 20:46 CST, 14 January 2011 >>
By United States of America Snip 
I think it's perfect in duels

since I know nothing about tdm and ctf I voted 'keep as is', I'm open to the possibility they are a problem there and I just don't know it though
Edited by Snip at 20:47 CST, 14 January 2011
<< Comment #122 @ 10:43 CST, 17 January 2011 >>
By MLP_FlutterShy Teen Queen  - Reply to #111
That's the main problem, SG is balanced for duel but not suitable for TDM.
The game(devs, if you wish) strives for a perfect duel balanced weapons.

Different damage values across different gametypes will never happen tho, and I'm fine with that.

I still think a somewhat changed spread would do the trick, finding the *perfect* one, however, is hard.
<< Comment #114 @ 00:25 CST, 17 January 2011 >>
By Finland juM8o 
The way sg is now it can even win vs shaft when used behind corners @ midrange, quite retarted. Voted for fixed spread.

Anyway this alone wont fix the balance, rockets need to be slowed down atleast 50ups and personally wouldnt mind 90dmg rail with longer reload time.
<< Comment #115 @ 01:17 CST, 17 January 2011 >>
By couple JayDee_  - Reply to #114
Slow rox result in slow boring hitscan based gameplay. I would reduce the splash damage radius and increase the knockback/pop up.

80 dmg rail is perfect. This is quake not cs!
Edited by JayDee_ at 01:28 CST, 17 January 2011
<< Comment #117 @ 03:38 CST, 17 January 2011 >>
By Finland juM8o  - Reply to #115
Slower rockets would just make LG dominate midrange as it is supposed to. And about railgun, If railguns reload time would be upped by 20% and dmg by 10 it would make it worse than it is now.
<< Comment #119 @ 03:48 CST, 17 January 2011 >>
By Austria noctis  - Reply to #117
LG is dominating mid range
<< Comment #123 @ 11:25 CST, 17 January 2011 >>
By Unset retire  - Reply to #119
Only with clear shots, someone using walls/cover can always rape a midrange lg with rl/sg too easily.
<< Comment #126 @ 02:24 CST, 18 January 2011 >>
By Finland juM8o  - Reply to #123
so true..

i dont really understand why even some experienced players like noctis have hard time understanding this..
Edited by juM8o at 02:32 CST, 18 January 2011
<< Comment #127 @ 02:44 CST, 18 January 2011 >>
By Beer! becks  - Reply to #126
I don't really get why some players have a hard time understanding that except making lg completely overpowered in open fights this will never change.
<< Comment #129 @ 11:38 CST, 18 January 2011 >>
By Unset retire  - Reply to #126
Well, he's right that shaft is still strongest in an open true-midrange fight, but its ridiculous that rocket and sg are strongest in close-midrange fights. For an example of what I mean, the top platform to RA on hektik, from either side the best weapon to use is rocket. I think shaft should be the dominant weapon here unless your rocket aim is insane (edit: at least from the RA side), but that's not how it is currently.
To ensure weapons are situational again, I think they have to be buffed for their specific purposes and weakened in situations they're supposed to be. RL could even have a speed increase if the splash radius is reduced enough, and this would mean that its more important to get closer-to-direct hits. Rail is meant to be a long distance weapon, but its currently used at mid range with cover and is extremely effective. To counter this you need to get close, so I believe the reload time should be increased as you suggested (2000ms), but with a damage boost to 90 or 100 so that its still strong when used carefully. Shaft is a little more complicated because I believe the fire rate should be increased, which would increase the knockback automatically when you're accurate. It would also mean being accurate is more important because you use up ammo faster. And finally, the shotgun needs a wider spread as seems obvious now. The best solution would be to have the pellets do less damage as they spread, but I'm unsure if that's possible. An alternative would be to use the CPM fixed pellet spread with a lower damage output.
Edited by diabz` at 11:49 CST, 18 January 2011
<< Comment #131 @ 15:53 CST, 18 January 2011 >>
By Finland juM8o  - Reply to #129
again, you nailed it.
<< Comment #125 @ 02:24 CST, 18 January 2011 >>
By Finland juM8o  - Reply to #119
oh, why i see so much RL spam @ midrange fights then?
<< Comment #128 @ 03:27 CST, 18 January 2011 >>
By Austria noctis  - Reply to #125
i don't know, mb you don't play the best players in the world
<< Comment #130 @ 15:52 CST, 18 January 2011 >>
By Finland juM8o  - Reply to #128
true, but just look at aero, ztn or t7... after that come and tell me is lg powerfull enought. If all maps would be like dm6, t9 or lostworld then ofc lg would be balanced... but thats not the case.
<< Comment #132 @ 16:24 CST, 18 January 2011 >>
By Austria noctis  - Reply to #130
srsly?
lg is plenty powerful on those maps, maybe you pick the wrong situations or position yourself wrong
<< Comment #133 @ 01:05 CST, 19 January 2011 >>
By lolfly lol frs  - Reply to #132
hes not happy until lg is the best weapon in every situaton on every map. when he joined ql he spent the first year flaming everyone who didnt have high lg accuracy and that its the only thing that matters :) atleast hes changed a bit, but not much
<< Comment #135 @ 16:21 CST, 20 January 2011 >>
By Finland juM8o  - Reply to #132
whatever then, i just feel that in those maps rail + rockets do mostly better than lg, because gameplay is a lot of peaking instead of stable fights. Dunno if just adding cripple effect would help enought.
<< Comment #137 @ 07:59 CST, 26 January 2011 >>
By Quake 3 ischju  - Reply to #135
if u take a shaft fight you are guaranteed to take damage as well. with rockets and rail you can play defensively and not take damage. this is the difference. (among many others but had to be said) - you wont see rapha taking 1v1 shaft fights with strenx because he just knows better and opts to find away to avoid it.
<< Comment #138 @ 11:23 CST, 26 January 2011 >>
By Finland juM8o  - Reply to #137
yes that is the core of the problem, defensive weapons have been buffed while offensive nerfed... Its not possible to force shaft fights, though its possible to force rocket and rail fights....
<< Comment #139 @ 13:18 CST, 28 January 2011 >>
By QW horf  - Reply to #135
LG is retardedly powerful nonetheless mind you I don't recall playing quake with stable fights except when the opponent is willing to commit .
<< Comment #145 @ 06:14 CST, 10 February 2011 >>
By Quake 3 ischju  - Reply to #139
LG is fine, really.
<< Comment #146 @ 07:08 CST, 10 February 2011 >>
By QW horf  - Reply to #145
I don't think its badly balanced it is fine but I was replying to the fact that he said stable fight as it meant constantly going head to head with LG which at least in experience barely happens except with the people who like to pull out the pummel at the same time as it seems they like head to head fights
<< Comment #124 @ 16:45 CST, 17 January 2011 >>
By Germany jgl 
nerf in tdm and spread to q3 cpm
<< Comment #140 @ 06:32 CST, 30 January 2011 >>
old SG ftw
people complained that SG was too strong in the old days.
now with the new smaller hitboxes SG efficiency dropped down already, so it was no need to decrease its power anymore, it's just that SG big modification was made before the hitboxes modification, if I am correct
the way the SG remains now, it is weakened twice

short sentence: the damage the spread and all that sh1t like it was in september-octomber 2008, when I started playing ql
Edited by ScarletJohansonsFather at 06:35 CST, 30 January 2011

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