I really don't like the shape of this mouse.... its shaped like a contorted bean and forces your hands to cramp up... this causes me a great deal of pain. Why can't Logitech make normally shaped mice? All the other companies make mice with normal shapes.

Also the mouse is too heavy - it literally makes my arms burn trying to pick up this mouse... I am definitely returning it and going back to the WMO.

When I log in from another PC I notice that the map selection both in the practice tab and welcome is completely different from my main PC... some of the maps I have never played before and my favourite maps (Longest Yard, Repent) are not even available!!!

WTF is this? Help pl0x.

OK I am not technically inept by any means but someone mentioned how 500 Hz will make me a happier person can someone aid/guide me as to what I must do? Thanks and regards.

Does anyone know which player(s) hold the world record for the highest accuracy %. The reason I ask is because QL is almost all about: 1) Accuracy % 2) Spam

Everything else is of minimal importance when compared to points 1 and 2.

Anyone know what the world record for the number of total shots fired is? And which player has fired all those shots.

The reason I ask is because everyone knows QL is about two things: 1) Aim % 2) Spam

Everything else is just icing on the cake but not necessary for good play.

OK so what mouse is better overall? They share a similar shape, the Kana has a higher speed limit but DPI is switchable up to 3200.

I am not sure on the size of the Kana compared to the WMO though it looks slightly longer?

I know 3200 DPI isn't important and 800 DPI is the maximum you will ever need when you play Quake but which mouse has better tracking? Or are they roughly even.



SS Kana or WMO take your pick.

In my view yes it is! It feels good to the hand, its lightweight and supports 1000 DPI and malfunctions only past 72 IPS!... and costs about £15-£30 depending on where you buy it... Here are the in detail specifications:

Product Name
Microsoft® Comfort Mouse 6000 for Business
Product Version
Microsoft Comfort Mouse 6000 for Business
Mouse Version
Microsoft Comfort Mouse 6000 for Business Product Dimensions
Mouse Length
5.10 inches (130 millimeters)
Mouse Width
2.77 inches (70.5 millimeters)
Mouse Depth/Height
1.66 inches (42.1 millimeters)
Mouse Cable Length
78.7 inches (2000 millimeters)
Mouse Weight
0.25 ounces (114 grams) Compatibility and Localization
Interface
USB compatible
Operating Systems
• Microsoft Windows® 7, Windows Vista®, and Windows XP (excluding Windows XP 64-bit) • Macintosh Mac OS X v10.4.x-10.6.x
Top-line System Requirements
For a Microsoft Windows-based PC: Requires a PC that meets the requirements for and has installed one of these operating systems: • Windows 7, Windows Vista, or Windows XP (excluding Windows XP 64-bit) • 100 MB of available hard disk space • USB port For a Macintosh PC: • Macintosh Mac OS X v10.4.x-10.6.x • 30 MB of available hard disk space • USB port
Compatibility Logos
• Compatible with Microsoft Windows 7 • Mac logo • USB Certified logo
Software Localization
For a Microsoft Windows-based PC: Microsoft IntelliPoint software may be installed in Simplified Chinese, Traditional Chinese, English, French, German, Italian, Japanese, Korean, Brazilian Portuguese, Iberian Portuguese, or Spanish. If available, standard setup will install the software in the default OS language. Otherwise, the English language version will be installed. For a Macintosh PC: Microsoft IntelliPoint for Mac will install in English, French, German, Italian, Japanese, Brazilian Portuguese, and Spanish. User settings for OS language preference determine which localized version of the software is displayed. In the event that OS language preferences are not supported, the English language version will be displayed. Tracking Technology
Mouse Tracking System
Microsoft-proprietary BlueTrack™ Technology
Imaging Rate
Dynamically adaptable to 8000 frames per second
X-Y Resolution
1000 points per inch (39.4 points per millimeter)
Tracking Speed
Up to 72 inches (1829 millimeters) per second Product Feature Performance
Mouse Button Features
5 customizable buttons including scroll wheel button
Right & Left Button Life
3,000,000 actuations at no more than 4 actuations per second
Wheel Button Life
100,000 actuations at no more than 4 actuations per second
Mouse Scrolling Features
Standard vertical scrolling
Wheel Vertical Scrolling Life
• 85,000 revolutions (away from user) at no more than 60 rotations per minute • 300,000 revolutions (toward user) at no more than 60 rotations per minute
Storage Temperature & Humidity
-40 °F (-40 °C) to 140 °F (60 °C) at <5% to 65% relative humidity (non-condensing)
Operating Temperature & Humidity
32 °F (0 °C) to 104 °F (40 °C) at <5% to 80% relative humidity (non-condensing) Certification Information
Country of Manufacture
People's Republic of China (PRC)
ISO 9001 Qualified Manufacturer
Yes
ISO 14001 Qualified Manufacturer
Yes
Restriction on Hazardous Substances
This device complies with all applicable worldwide regulations and restrictions including, but not limited to: EU directive 2002/95/EC on the Restriction of the Use of Certain Hazardous Substances in Electrical and Electronic Equipment and EU Registration Evaluation and Authorization of Chemicals (REACH) regulation regarding Substances of Very High Concern.
FCC ID
This device complies with Part 15 of the FCC Rules and Industry Canada ICES-003. Operation is subject to the following two conditions: (1) This device may not cause harmful interference, and (2) this device must accept any interference received, including interference that may cause undesired operation. Tested to comply with FCC standards. For home and office use. Model number: 1478, Comfort Mouse 6000.
Agency and Regulatory Marks
• ACA/MED Declaration of Conformity (Australia and New Zealand) • ICES-003 report on file (Canada) • EIP Pollution Control Mark, EPUP (China) • CE Declaration of Conformity, Safety and EMC (European Union) • WEEE (European Union) • VCCI Certificate (Japan) • KCC Certificate (Korea) • GOST Certificate (Russia) • BSMI Certificate (Taiwan)
• FCC Declaration of Conformity (USA) • UL and cUL Listed Accessory (USA and Canada) • CB Scheme Certificate (International)
Windows Hardware Quality Labs (WHQL)
ID: 1440009 Microsoft Windows 7

The IME 3.0, WMO, Intelli 1.1A all have malfunction speeds of 1.00 m/s at their normal settings - this mouse has 72 IPS (1.80 m/s)!!!

I have one of these mice and I think its very good... very smooth tracking, minimal prediction and comfortable and ergonomic but also lightweight.

You just buy this mouse try it out and tell me the tracking isn't great - thats the main thing this mouse has going for it.

Now there is a fairly major issue in the sense that the middle scroll wheel click has about 1/4 of a second input delay and is a hardware problem meaning it cannot be fixed by updating drivers. Aside from this it is hard to find fault with this mouse.

Recommended!

Here is a mouse hierarchy picture, showing the best and worst mice ever made:

OK guys... can you help me out? I have a G400 and a WMO... so far the WMO feels worse to me than the G400 - its DPI is only 400 and even with sensitivity cranked up to 2.5x the normal (10, default is 4) I have problems with undershooting my target... e.g with LG/MG the crosshair often stops just before the target whereas with the G400 everything feels spot on with 800 DPI and default sensitivity.

So what is your verdict G400 vs WMO? Both good mice... but which is better?

As everyone knows... this mouse which formerly retailed at £7 has been taken off the market... but why? To be replaced by the miserable excuse for a mouse known as the Basic Optical Mouse v2.0... which although has 800 DPI has extremely poor cursor precision, less then half the malfunction speed and much worse build quality and ergonomics.

So how can Microsoft take a step backwards like this? It just seems like there is no logic... to manufacture a mouse that is massively inferior in every aspect to its predecessor.

I don't think there is a single mouse at the moment that has the WMO shape, that tracks as well... Abyssus has jitter and ripple and compared to the WMO the tracking is shit.

Such a shame... bring back the WMO! 7 years ago you saw like tonnes of WMOs restocked every single day... I regret not buying 50 of them.

OK so I am a medium skilled Quake Live player (I play at tier 4 in FFA, have 20% overall accuracy, 30% mg, 25% lg, 40% rail, 35% rockets) so just your average tier 4... not good but not bad either. I probably win 1/8 of my FFA games... I am a fairly new Quake Live player having only played a month... my only prior experience to playing shooters was Quake III Arena which I only occasionally played online and mostly against Nightmare bots.

If anything I can say fairly certainly in my experience is that accuracy is such an important factor that say a player X has really good map knowledge, only 25% overall accuracy uses different weapons was pitted against player Y who JUST uses machine gun and has 50% accuracy - I think there is almost no doubt that the MGer with good aim will ALMOST ALWAYS win against the player with half the accuracy despite the fact his overall gameplay is better (knows where powerups are, moves better etc...).

In most of the games, with some exceptions, the player at the top of the scoreboard is the one who was the most accurate that game... of course you could say that anyone can achieve a high accuracy by being patient and taking time to aim... but lets face it... most players as soon as they see an opponent they SPAM non stop until the target is dead, moved away or he himself has died.

So that brings me to the conclusion that Quake Live is a game about 'all aim, no brain' and I really like this game... it is addictive its fun and I can play it all day and I really enjoy it. But in my view this game is really lacking a lot of strategy... which of course is less prominent in FPS titles... but nevertheless I am sure most of you people are inclined to agree that if your accuracy % is above the average (in my view 20-25% accuracy is the average accuracy level in Quake Live) your win rate will be fairly good and can expect to dominate most FFA games... for e.g I remember the last game I played on the Longest Yard... I was like 3rd place, my acc was 27% but the guy on top who was literally dominating everyone and achieving a very high frag count per minute had something like 50% and his most used weapon was the machine gun so obviously a fairly skilled player and far above the average for that server.

However, this is something I enjoy about Quake Live... I almost always know why I lost and it can really be broken down, in a nutshell, to a few things:

1) I didn't spam enough shots in a short enough time.

2) My accuracy % is not high enough.

3) I kept switching targets too often.


1 and 2 are THE most important and avoiding the bad habit of 3 also helps. But my point still stands, that you don't need to get anything other than MG ammo if your accuracy is good enough.

C'mon if I was playing against even a semi decent player with this handicap: he can only use MG and I had EVERY weapon ALREADY at disposal I would probably lose every single time.

Btw... the machine gun is a GREAT weapon... its better than any non-hitscan other than the rocket launcher and if your MG is good trust me (I have seen it) you can really own people so hard.

I know that a lot of the Quake Live players use mice with very accurate tracking sensors (G400, WMO 1.1a, IMO 1.1a) etc... but are there any people who have good accuracy with very poor mice:

e.g Logitech M100, Basic Optical v2.0 and any cheap optical that has a poor sensor in it.

I want to ascertain whether its important to have a gaming mouse and whether it is necessary for aiming well at QL.

In the past, Microsoft used to make the Wheel Mouse Optical 1.1a... a comfortable mouse that was never marketed as a gaming mouse but it turned out to be arguably the best mouse for gaming at the time.

It is now impossible to find a WMO ANYWHERE new... it was discontinued ages ago must be 6 years or more since I last saw a WMO on the UK high street... my old one has broke after 10 years of usage and I regret not getting a few more while they were still available.

It seems that the WMO has been replaced by the Basic Optical v2.0 and as far as I can gather from the data sheet supplied by Microsoft it would seem that this is the direct descendant of the WMO 1.1a... though I MAY be wrong.

It certainly seems so because if you compare the data sheets:

Product Name
Microsoft® Basic Optical Mouse
Product Version
Microsoft Basic Optical Mouse v2.0
Mouse Version
Microsoft Basic Optical Mouse v2.0 Product Dimensions
Mouse Length
4.47 inches (1134 millimeters)
Mouse Width
2.28 inches (57.9 millimeters)
Mouse Depth/Height
1.54 inches (39.2 millimeters)
Mouse Weight
3.27 ounces (92.8 grams)
Cable Length
72 +6/-0 inches (1830 +150/-0 millimeters) Compatibility and Localization
Interface
USB Compatible
Operating Systems
• Microsoft Windows® 7, Windows Vista®, and Windows XP (excluding Windows XP 64-bit) • Mac OSX v10.1-10.4x
Top-line System Requirements
For a Windows-based PC: Requires a PC that meets the requirements for and has installed one of these operating systems: • Microsoft Windows 7, Windows Vista, or Windows XP (excluding Windows XP 64-bit) • USB port or PS/2 port • No software required For a Macintosh: • Mac OSX v10.1-10.4x • USB port • No software required
Compatibility Logos
• Compatible with Microsoft Windows 7 • Certified for Microsoft Windows Vista • Mac logo • Universal Mac logo • Certified USB logo
Interface
USB and PS/2 Compatible Tracking Technology
Mouse Tracking System
Optical tracking system
Imaging Rate
Up to 3000 frames per second
X-Y Resolution
800 points per inch (31.5 points per millimeter)
Tracking Speed
Up to 20 inches (508 millimeters) per second Product Feature Performance
Mouse Button Features
3 buttons including scroll wheel button
Right & Left Button Life
3,000,000 actuations
Wheel Button Life
250,000 actuations
Mouse Scrolling Features
Standard vertical scroll wheel
Wheel Vertical Scrolling Life
• 100,000 revolutions (away from user) at no more than 60 rotations per minute • 300,000 revolutions (toward user) at no more than 60 rotations per minute
Storage Temperature & Humidity
-40 °F (-40 °C) to 140 °F (60 °C) at <5% to 65% relative humidity (non-condensing)
Operating Temperature & Humidity
14 °F (-10 °C) to 104 °F (40 °C) at <5% to 80% relative humidity (non-condensing)


Product Name
Microsoft® Wheel Mouse Optical
Product Version
Microsoft Wheel Mouse Optical 1.1a
Mouse Version
Microsoft Wheel Mouse Optical 1.1a Product Dimensions
Mouse Length
4.88 inches (124 millimeters)
Mouse Width
2.62 inches (66.6 millimeters)
Mouse Depth/Height
1.56 inches (39.6 millimeters)
Mouse Weight
4.42 ounces (125 grams)
Mouse Cable Length
72 +6/-0 inches (1830 +152/-0 millimeters) Compatibility and Localization
Interface
USB and PS/2 Compatible
Operating Systems
• Microsoft Windows® 7, Windows Vista®, and Windows XP (excluding Windows XP 64-bit) • Macintosh Mac OS X v10.2-10.4
Top-line System Requirements
For a Microsoft Windows-based PC: Requires a PC that meets the requirements for and has installed one of these operating systems: • Windows 7, Windows Vista, or Windows XP (excluding Windows XP 64-bit) • USB or PS/2 port
• 100 MB hard drive space
• CD drive • Microsoft IntelliPoint software version 6.1 For a Macintosh PC: • Macintosh Mac OS X v10.2-10.4 • USB port
• 30 MB hard drive space
• CD drive • Microsoft IntelliPoint for Mac software version 6.1 IntelliPoint mouse software provides drivers and support for the customization features.
Compatibility Logos
• Compatible with Microsoft Windows 7 • Certified for Microsoft Windows Vista • Mac logo • USB Certified logo
Software Localization
For a Microsoft Windows-based PC: Microsoft IntelliPoint software may be installed in Simplified Chinese, Traditional Chinese, English, French, German, Italian, Japanese, Korean, Brazilian Portuguese, Iberian Portuguese, or Spanish. If available, standard setup will install the software in the default OS language. Otherwise, the English language version will be installed. For a Macintosh PC: Microsoft IntelliPoint for Mac will install in English, French, German, Italian, Japanese, Brazilian Portuguese, and Spanish. User settings for OS language preference determine which localized version of the software is displayed. In the event that OS language preferences are not supported, the English language version will be displayed. Tracking Technology
Mouse Tracking System
Microsoft-proprietary optical technology
Imaging Rate
Dynamically adaptable to 9000 frames per second
X-Y Resolution
400 points per inch (15.75 points per millimeter)
Tracking Speed
Up to 20 inches (508 millimeters) per second Product Feature Performance
Mouse Button Features
3 buttons including scroll wheel button
Right & Left Button Life
1,000,000 actuations at no more than 4 actuations per second
Wheel Button Life
150,000 actuations at no more than 4 actuations per second
Mouse Scrolling Features
Standard vertical scroll wheel
Wheel Vertical Scrolling Life
• 85,000 revolutions (away from user) at no more than 60 rotations per minute • 100,000 revolutions (toward user) at no more than 60 rotations per minute
Storage Temperature & Humidity
-40 °F (-40 °C) to 140 °F (60 °C) at <5% to 65% relative humidity (non-condensing)

List here, the best and worst mice you have ever owned.

I will start:-

Best: Logitech G1, Razer Abyssus, Wheel Mouse Optical 1.1a, IntelliMouse Optical 1.1a.

Indifferent: Logitech G400/MX518, Razer Deathadder, Roccat Lua, Roccat Savu, Microsoft Optical Blue.

Worst: IntelliMouse Explorer 3.0, Logitech G500, Logitech G700, Razer Imperator.