All the features that makes CPMA great.

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Raged@truth

He's 18 years old, meaning that he was 10 in the OSP heyday,same as diabz :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

How about all the cpma features that are not gameplay dependent. I'm sure they will be implemented eventually, just a matter of time.

But now the biggest decisions about gameplay have to be made, and that's what I have come up with.

wait... CPMA is great?

Greater than your face.

What QL needs to be great.

LESS FUCKING UNGRATEFUL WHINING CUNTS.

remove range damage from lg, give it to mg ?

not a good idea. mg is the only way to do damage against long range railgun use. did you mean the other way around and it doing less in an infight? if so forget about this post :p

That wouldn't make sense, really.

Why does the mg need to be strong at close? That's what the pummel is for :p

the range on pummel is too low though.

I see a reason for lg damage stronger up close, it's harder to hit close. But not mg, as it is hitscan.

What would be the reason to make (/leave) the mg strong at close?

I see a reason for lg damage stronger up close, it's harder to hit close. But not mg, as it is hitscan.

You lost me sir.

complete idiot

Don't care for your judgement. If you don't have an argument, shut up.

complete.
idiot.

you are pathetic

true but you're still a fucking idiot.

I see a reason for lg damage stronger up close, it's harder to hit close. But not mg, as it is hitscan.

see?

Alright. At least you try to talk after you insult me :)

You mean lg is not harder to hit up close? Up close you get thrown around by rockets, get killed by one good sg hit without armor, get spammed by plasma, possibly get pummeled...it's aone of the weaker guns up close....so I agree to disagree.

With mg at first look it might be the same, but it's not. MG is the fucking spawn weapon. Why on earth should you do massive amounts of damage with the spawn weapon?
Now you might argue "look at the demos it's not like that when the pro's play". Exactly. I'm not talking about the best, since they are a minority. I'm talking about low and middle tier, where you can do everything, but bad :)

*edit but bad...that didn't sound right...but worse

lg is not meant to be the dominant weapon in close fights. rocket launcher is. so the balance is good.

people who were good with shaft before, are still good with it. its just that they need to learn when to use it, cause before it was dominant in *every* single situation except when shooting across the map, but if it had bigger range it would be dominant even then. fuck the 1 weapon game.

its good now, maybe shotgun should be nerfed a bit cause it can take down godzilla within two shots.

I agree, lg is fine as it is. The sg is more powerful than the q3 sg, but I couldn't find an argument against it. Why not have another powerful pickup weapon. It's a bit strong if I get gunned down, it's really great when I gun down a whole army with quad.

I would like to try sg with 4 damage per pellet, only because of the fact that it got way more accurate with non-random pellets, but tbh I don't care as that won't change the dynamics of the game in my opinion.

As a general rule I would say don't compare ql to q3, look at the game as something on its own.

it needs to ignore the whiny bitches that are never happy with anything whatsoever and keep making updates.

+1. people need to learn how to appreciate the game and stop obsessing over minor differences to OSP/CPMA or w/e.

QL and OSP/CPMA have the same MG.

and?

people need to learn how to appreciate the game and stop obsessing over minor differences to OSP/CPMA

This clearly has nothing to do with OSP/CPMA and is just someone wanting to improve the game.

fair enough, i was more pointing to the general whining on ESR :P

It goes all ways if you ask me:
- All out negative
- All out positive
- Constructive

The people I find most annoying are the all out positive people. When did anything get better with no complaints?

earth, the last 5 billion years, before mankind arrived :]

maybe quake is not for you then? maybe you should sit on the beach and stare at the water, while watching the world improve. :D

Edit: - in fact, earth probably changes faster than quake did the past 10 years.

I get what ur saying, but being annoyed with 'all out positive' people seems pretty ridiculous to me tho. What's wrong with being happy with the way the game is?

The problem is that you call it whine, people like to discuss these things and improve the game, you look at it the wrong way and only see whine, you should come up with some counter-arguments instead :)

no u

All the time. Constructive critizism could help improving a thing, but when it's a drip of contructive critizism in a sea of complaints it doesn't help, but the oposite.

nope :] IF :D im not wrong in ql duel mg bullet is 5 but in q3 duel is 7

Well as for me I'm not obsessing, I thought hard about what to change and why, and I only found this one thing I would like to see changed now. And now would be the best time, because it is still beta, don't you think?

sorry if u took offense, I didn't think u were whining at all.

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1724043

That's way too much text, also I think he wants to have a new fps competition game like qw. That's not what I want, 4 mg damage and that's it, the game is great.

I think it would allow more control in every gametype, by that enabling more depth in gameplay. The reason it is necessary is the new netcode that makes everyone hit more. I'm not sure how this will turn out, and I don't care, I will like it either way. Just this one gift to gameplay. 4 mg damage and everything's cool.

YES LOWERING MG DAMAGE IS A GOOD IDEA BUT...

The topic is ,,What QL needs to be great'', its only a good game, it wont be GREAT becouse its Q3 @ 2000 year with slight differences. Great games make one step forward in gaming, not backward.

I still believe that this game needs some serious changes with weapon and armor system. Also I approve light, indeed characters move like statues.

Its still a good game but... hello It is 2009 ! Even mods have made bigger progress sice then. Its not like you can choose, there is QL, dying CPM, dead QW and dead PK.

Thank you. It's a minor change with a big impact (at least I hope so).

If you want a completely different game, you have to look somewhere else.

well, as you could have read, there isnt any better game which is alive :o

To be honest duels seem to be okey(even very good) but when it comes to teamgames like CTF or TDM its totally crap.

YEAH STOP WHINING BY SIMPLY MAKING A SUGGESTION FAGGOT ID CAN'T POSSIBLY DO ANYTHING WRONG ALSO DID I MENTION THAT IT DOESN'T COST ANYTHING FOR THE SAKE OF DARN?

ALSO BETA LOL

CPM.

A lot.

NOT

You are against lower mg damage? Why?

huh

needs to be q3

I still think theres something wrong with SG but i like the fact it can destroy, so i dont know :<

That's what I thought, 1. the SG kicks ass the way it is and 2. I really really hated random pellets, and finally they are gone, so all is well. The SG got powerful, why not? Still takes skill to master, is a pickup weapon. In TDM it allows the team in the weaker areas to regain control a bit easier, but SG vs. rocket/lg/rail is still hard.

I dont know about great but to be fun it would need maps maps maps.

Also I would strongly support a MG nerf, MG is a big pile of loss.

dm20 is sexy map a little bit random for tdm but still fun to play it 4-4

doesn't need much, most important thing is new GOOD maps.

SG is overpowered ! I understand that ql is noob friendly but that is exaggeration.

It is not even that stong in the hands of a newbie, you have to be at a certain level to take full advantage of the mg.

MVD

Quakelive needs a sentry gun.

remove www.esreality.com from the planet, and quakelive would be great.

A fan of security through obscurity, eh?

removing something from the planet is such an american way of looking at problems.

hitting this site with a A bomb would be fine by me. clean it out like sodom and gomorrah

Hitting the site with a bomb. That's like the south park episode where terrorists attacked amaricas imagination rofl.

Or u could just stop coming here.

its like a car accident i keep on looking at it

excepting you like to stay in the middle of the road

idd

AMERICA: FUCK YEAH!

tried to plus you twice.
that was funny

a good friend stabs you in the front

It's just that you spawn with mg. It makes no sense to kill an armor stacked oponnent who has a RL or a LG with the spawn gun. But that's what happens in many situations, and I think it lessens the fun and rewarding aspect of taking control, securing or timing weapons, control the rail...

On the other hand, 4 mg damage would certainly change the game in ways we can't anticipate, so it will be trial and error. If it turns out to make no difference for new players but allows more depth for skilled players leave it, if not it can still be changed back.

I'm not even arguing for "my own sake", my game actually improved somewhat because I can dodge and I can hit 30-40% mg. That's all it takes to do serious damage.

Well at least in my tier, which is probably somewhere in the (lower) middle, where most players are at.

Hey guys, its FUCKING FREE. You should be MASTURBATING at this enormous amount of MEDIOCRITY.

when its free then it shuld be crap huh .. we just wanna help id to do a cool game

So by your standards, what's a good game?

Two persons above replying are retarded.

no u.

You seem to think only elitists post on this site.

I did take into account that in QL you mostly play your own tier. A more skilled player will always win no matter what the mg damage is. I'm arguing for the sake of equal skilled teams or opponents, and out of my perspective, which is middle tier. Also I think that's where most players are at, and that's the clientele id wants, players that frenquently play the game and participate in the community.

It wouldn't make sense to make the game suited only for the few best.

I thought you mean mediocrity in quake skill, to own it up, but you probably meant mediocrity is the best you can expect of a "free" game. I object, some of the best games are free.

You've been arrested by sarcasm police. Please get in the van.

I'm troll diplomat, I walk free.

and what about the fucking damage kick and still no REAL GOOD brightskin models etc

Damage kick? You can switch that off, get fox's cfg for example.

And vertex lightning is still fucked up.

bug fixes...

what? Doesnt work. Its still shit when I use vertex lightning.

No I meant that's just bug fixing. I'm very confident that if QL does not get cancelled it will get polished, so everything that is not gameplay dependent is covered.

Covered, too late as usual. Q4MAX has covered and polished everything, now that no one gives a flying fuck about Q4.

Q4 was retail for years, QL is beta.

Your point? The base of the game is from fucking 1999. Please stop embarrasing yourself.

My point is obviously that games in beta phase contain bugs, that's normal.

I have no problems whatsoever with vertex that can't be fixed with a "vid_restart". I also used lightmap lighting and that was fine too, no big difference. I think you are just nitpicking for whatever reason.

No, theres no excuses at this point.

another balancing/wishlist/whine thread \o/

I can live with the game as it is. But I would like to make it better. Also, it seems noone really has an argument against nerfing the mg besides "whine"

i guess a lot of duel players like it as it is now and wouldn't want it to do anny less dmg

In Q3 even 7 mg damage worked well. So technically if you compare the games the mg was already nerfed in duell. I like that, also I like same damage for every gametype, so that it's easy to switch beteween them.

But would less mg damage take anything from duell as it is now. I'm still waiting for arguments against nerfing it.

Nerf the fucking shotgun, people are using it mid-range nowadays.

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*ninja post scriptum edit*

It doesn't matter that it's a pickup weapon in tdm, since it's the most numerable weapon :E :P

if everyone moves with the pace of statues, changing the damage of the mg will only mean a minor change to the game, all other weapons will still be way too easy to hit with, simply because everyone still moves like statues.

I don't think running speed is the reason, I think it's the new netcode, which I really like. Now shots are correctly registered when I shoot the target, no rails going thorugh, no enemy lg that cripples my movement.

I prefer that over q3 netcode any day.

lg still cripples your movement.

It does? Didn't notice. LG has knockback, that's initentional. At least not as much crippling as in q3, which is good.

No we removed the cripple a year ago. There's of course tons of knockback when you're in the air but there's no cripple effect.

ok, i stand corrected then. Must be the slower pace that bugs me then as it seems to be quite easy hitting 50% lg compared to cpm where its much harder.

LuGia disagrees.

That guy has crazy lg. Even in qw he had much better lg than Vo0.

i played my first cpm duel ever vs. him. :D

I think mg has been lowered already to the extend it's annoying in duels, can't do shit with it, even on t4

cg_truelightning -1 like in cpma

truelightning is totally fucked in QL for me. i mean, in q3 i always used 0 and aimed with the beam and it worked great. but here my shaft is much better with truelightning 1, just by aiming with the beam image. i just don't get it. when i try to aim with 0, its totally different than before and doesn't do shit. dunno.

it must be the oh so awesome unlagged netcode.