you don't want to send those fuckers flying? O_o

The only problem with rockets is they are too fast :/

they fly, they die

Rockets are overpowered in ql, everybody knows that, nothing new.

Also require no skill like in Q3. I have seen noobs owning with rockets, without even bother to aim at the foot. They are so fast that makes it so easy to do direct hits, which makes me question that foot rule many times.

they're so close to the ground, so easy to kick, they're so slow in their head, so easy to trick.

"Rockets are overpowered in ql, everybody knows that, nothing new."

NO
NO
NO
NO
NO
PLS STFU

q3 rockets are perfect

turbo agree

Yep. Q3 RL ftw.

Aye. When midairs actually took skill. :D

YEAH, TOTALLY, MAN. IN QL I CAN DO OVER 9000 MID-AIRS PER DUEL PLAYING WITH MY FEET LOL!!!1!
...

Midairs in qlive are a lot easier than in q3. If you think otherwise, you're wrong.

maybe you're just way better than you were in q3

No, I've always been terrible. :(

Its only 100 ups difference. Are you sure its MUCH easier? Or maybe its just slightly easier

so wrong. You wouldn't say that if you faced a shaft whore with good dodges @ q3.

rox are better in ql. Finally they are STRONG, not only at super close range or when
you suprise your opponent.

"Strong" isn't what comes to mind when I think of rockets in QL. Unless by "strong" you mean "strong" in general, with account to speed and such, and not just damage dealt...?

If you hit someone dead on (around feet) you'll deal the same damage as in Q3, but if you hit around them the splash damage has been lowered. ("42 now as opposed to 50")

(I don't mean to obsess with RJ :) but that was the example Sync gave when he stated those values)

""Strong" isn't what comes to mind when I think of rockets in QL. Unless by "strong" you mean "strong" in general, with account to speed and such, and not just damage dealt...?"

yep, strong in general ;)

"(I don't mean to obsess with RJ :) but that was the example Sync gave when he stated those values) "

okok :), but no worries, it's not "newbified", or at least it's not a big deal, better players are still better :).

i think the splash damage does more than 42 damage.. more like 70 or something.

rocketjump does do 42 damage, but the splash on an enemy is something different, for some reason... try it, if i remember correctly its 70-something.

Cos self damage is 0.5...

wsw idiot gtfo.

i don't play wsw anymore :x

random q3 idiot.

if i played wsw id be ashamed to admit it too. oui oui

i'm not ashamed. It has nothing to do with that.

I would be ashamed if I were a random noob like you.

says the wsw gone ql pro? who are you anyways? lolo

i'm heartless.

he has it as his avatar ...

why anybody would admit such a thing is beyond me. if you'll excuse me i have to dash my way out of here.

afair, dash wasn't always in warsow.

whoops, looks like you misspelled "useless" as "perfect".

my opinion since quakelive has came out is that rockets should be reverted to their old speed. revolve balance around the old rocket speed if you need to, but these fast rockets just create a more random game

couldn't agree more

"but these fast rockets just create a more random game"

worst argument ever lol

rocket fights are naturally much more random than any other gun.. get a clue?

it's random in your head lol

how are they random, and how are they more random by higher rocket speed?

rocket fights get more random proportional to rocket speed squared, obviously.. get a clue

how are they random, and how are they more random by higher rocket speed?

there are things like spamming, +back rocket when being chased, complete movement fucking rockets that no one expects to be as lethal as they turn out to be that completely change control.. all more effective due to faster rockets

Is a good player more likely to lose a fight(or take substantially more damage than dealt) vs a weaker player if the weaker player has an lg or if he has an rl?

and what got "more effective due to faster rockets" to do with random? railgun with 120 damage isn't more random than railgun with 90 damage either, is it?

increasing rail damage doesnt make them easier to land and fuck your movement

SO WHY EVEN MENTION RANDOMNESS

because increasing rl speed makes them easier to land and fuck your movement

you might wanna look up what random actually means

i know what it means

I think he means noob friendly (mainly because of the speed)

... and actually yes, more noob friendly makes it more random

no, more random makes it more noob friendly but not the other way round

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necessary_and_sufficient_condition

... but actually no, faster speed does not make it more noob friendly

yes it does, just look at CA. LOL.

One thing to consider:

The rocket speed comes from a while back, and I think it's safe to say that people now move faster than when q3 was made.

Global warming = higher air temperature = less density = less drag = faster movement speed


Al Gore was right.

ez win for hussein bolt

When someone is spamming rockets down from bridge at RA on dm6 you cant move faster.

you can strafe jump in and out, can you not?

500 ups > 320 ups.

nope

ok.

I'm really more curious to know whether or not I'm the only one getting these really floaty physics when I rocket someone. Is this because they've tried to make rocket jumping easier for people?

However, concerning balance issues, I feel like this: if you're going to make rocket jumps easier for people then it's just a matter of time before people start making maps with bigger gaps or larger heights to make them more challenging again.

Also, I think the old strong rox need to come back. If people are worried about their power or spam, then just reduce the size of the splash a bit.

However, concerning balance issues, I feel like this: if you're going to make rocket jumps easier for people then it's just a matter of time before people start making maps with bigger gaps or larger heights to make them more challenging again.

Well, at QL mapping speed, that would be 10.000 AD.

That might be true if

1) people could actually make maps for ql
2) Id would actually use them

you see the problem.

No offence, but I think you're pretty clueless.

You should stop your obsession with RJ =)

see reply above.

rj's had nothing to do with it, really. the ql rl is fine the q3 one was too slow that's all.

Guys, go play quake 3 again and test the rocket speed. Felt ridiculously slow for me and I hated it. If you want to reduce the QL rocket launcher a bit, no problem with that, but please a little bit faster than q3 still...

speed is not the issue. the splash is fucking unpredictable compared to q3 and because of missing nomip, you can't really see well what's happening...

this!

Also too wide for such a fast speed.

In QL it feels like you just spam in general direction and get like minimum of 50 damage.

then state it in your posts. All I've read is 'we want q3 rl back' which for me includes the speed of the rockets

wanna see explosions like this: http://kenoath.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/explosion.jpg

what do u mean missing nomip?

u mean u want it like that? i just thought u meant the opposite

yeah, I want the command that enables it

If you want to reduce the QL rocket launcher a bit, no problem with that, but please a little bit faster than q3 still...

Fortunately enough, QL developers do not read ESreality...

so what are you complaining about? That I'd agree on reducing the rocket speed because I am fair and always up to accept compromises ?

I think the rocket launcher is fine as it is, I do hope it stays like that.

Your comment makes no sense.

I do from time to time and I still prefer Q3 RL.

^^ this.

You don't prefer the q3 RL, you prefer it with the q3 physics. Thing is QL is so much more different than that...

If rockets were as low in QL as theyre in Q3, byebye top tier-weapon. Might aswell use machinegun

maybe a little more splash then for RL + Q3 speed to compensate for insane physics difference:D
900 ups is just more maejestic and I like that.

Lets put 950, deal? :P

no seriously nothing seems wrong with the rocket launcher, i never felt outfragged by a rocket launcher if it wasnt induced by either better aiming or positionning or pure random luck.

Atleast nothing more than on Q3

The Q3 RL was great back in 2001 when even top duellers in the world couldnt hit better than an outstanding 25 shaft and 40 rail.
You cant expect for some tweaks not to happen when the game becomes faster with ever-improving hitscan overal aiming in the whole community, not to mention the pings going from an average of 64 to an average of 30...

k, 950 then:D

Of course you are right, hitscan has increased (and will most likely do so) but it got also nerfed. And I don't think the RL is overpowered, it fits the weapon balance just fine, Q3 RL feels just better to me.
I liked how the RL felt in closed beta although it was a bit too powerful.
So, for me: rather more splash and less speed:)

=/

RL is meant to be the top the weapon tiers. Still shit tho just like all the weapons in QL

shotgun is nerfed now u have to right up close... so why use that when u can use the RL.

Rail only does 80 hit points which is gay.

MG and LG have been nerfed as well

Oh and the hitboxes changed meaning its EVEN MORE PING DEPENDANT NOW THAN Q3 OSP EVER WAS. It's cool for you low pinging bastards, but spare a thought for the 50 plus ms to their own fucking country =/

quakelive used to be fun on the ffa servers if i bothered playing. Now that i lose more i think it's time to quit.

are you serious?

DEPENDS

kind same here

same

after the update ping owns

i like the speed of rockets. i think it's fine. the splash seems really random though. it's supposed to be a lower radius than q3's but i feel like i get with a few that i definitely would have dodged in q3.

I wish I could find the exact quote, I think it came from irc, but the splash size is the same as q3. It's just weaker now when more spread around, unless you hit dead on.

I found the quote. It's here on ESR

http://esreality.hexus.net/?a=post&id=1785872#pid1785872

Rockets travel at 1000ups, used to be 900
Rockets splash size is 120u, same as q3
Rockets splash scaling is weaker, from 1 to 84 dmg now - making a rocket jump deal 42dmg instead of 50
Rockets deal 90% of q3s knockback on targets, but 110% on self when making a rocket jump


Well that doesn't explain my bouncy floaty issue, maybe it's a bug with knockback? or perhaps with the faster rockets I'm just hitting targets better on the feet, but rocket jumps have been made easier.

well the guy with mg that gets knocked back is jumping at the same time the rockets hit, otherwise the model would not backflip. maybe that all

maybe he's just dancing

hmmm. good catch.

The rockets should be the same speed and damage as the QW rockets... same goes for LG.

qw rocks are 1000ups. qw damage would make them too powerful imo.

You really want 300dps LG?

Also, remove rail. Who will use it anyway with such RL and LG?

150dmg rail would fix that :D

and make pummel 200

perfect!

sounds solid to me

I have better ideas:
-get level ups, by achieving 1,000 completed matches
every 1,000 matches all weapons damage increases by 5%
-if you get plusses on esr, weapons damage should gain additional increase by 5%
-if you are french, LG deals 15% less damage, unless you play another french; in this case also a good written french insult should instakill your opponent
-if your name is jamerio, disable the keyboard, and if your name is brumu, make TL 2 minutes default on the server
-and btw if your name is jonesy or you are just simply american, increase hitbox size, make it double

:D

THE WEAPON BALANCE IS FINE AS IT IS.

since the latest patches. FINALLY !

So, pls, stop complaining about everything just to complain about everything.
If you get owned by RL, then don't whine, don't try to find excuses, just practice your positioning and dodging. If your opponent is weaker than you and he still owns you with RL, then it's because he's not that bad with that weapon (but maybe bad with everything else), cuz he probably practiced more with that weapon than with any other. Some people are also simply better with RL. If you miss your vq3 RL, then go back to q3, or simply uninstall q3 and practice to get the good feeling with the "new" QL's rox. If you're a rail whore and you get owned pretty easily by a rocket whore, then practice your weaknesses, instead of whining about a suposely imbalance. QL rox are hard to dodge ? Then it's FINE.

And stop talking about hitboxes and how it affects the ping disadvantage pls. It's not a pb of hitboxes, it's a pb of netcode.

TRHRJTYJYUKYIRKURYKUYYJYE RAAGGGEEE EZYGEYZETUZUR

quakelive was fun before the hitbox/lg changes :/

wahahha lol emo :)))))))))))))) go breath some fresh air :))))))


lamers if you dont like QL rockets, go back play your Q3!

obvious troll is obvious

the post might be a bit out of place but... troll?

huh?

everything is a troll these days :<

You know why :)

please elaborate

When player of such level as you makes statements which usually can be heard from noobs like me - it looks like deliberate trolling attempt.

Or do you REALLY wanted to say that QL is not fun to you anymore? :)

yes i really wanted to say that i don't like the hitbox/lg changes and it made the game a lot less enjoyable for me

I agree for duel, specially for t9 because of the insane knockback on the lg, harder to push your opponent but in tdm I think it's essential to have strong lg/mg

it's true, i hate having to care so much about my aim again.

Yes, give the old hitboxes back please.

since hitbox patch it reguires more skill to actually be able to miss a rocket imo :D

QL rockets are awesome. So fuck off.

blunt and to the point

was gonna write some shit about making the game more exiting etc but this guy sums it up nicely

they just need to fix the rocket jump bugs and I'll be happy

the bug where the rocket-jump completely fails on occasion? I mostly thought that was just me, but sometimes I think it's the game.

yes, its the game

ql in general is pretty gash atm and things don't seem to be moving anywhere.

q3 rl may be nice, but lg. vs rl balance was fucked in mid and close range in q3. tell me what u want but it was fucked.

Yes, it was/is, at least in the open (like most places in dm6). As soon as there are corners/pillars/tunnels involved (like ztn/nodm9 ) it depends on the situation/players. I mean, LG is too strong in Q3 but not as much as people make it.
Beside that I don't get the obsession with balance. Look at QW and the depth the importance of the powerful RL gives to TDM.

You know honestly, it was a smart move by id.

Increase speed = increase general ease of use

Reduce splash = reduce of spam effectiveness

Which makes it easier for newer players, and just ... makes it different for older players.

Implement stupid ammo system = spam > brain (duel oc)

Ammo system?

Anyways I like the QL RL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxcE089QQfo

If the splash size was reduced a bit people wouldn't feel like they're so "spammy". but then return the old damage scaling so the rockets can remain "strong".

For me it feels spammy because of the amount of ammo people have in QL. Just play dm13 in QL and then try to play that way in Q3 on nodm9. Good luck.