super!!!!!!!!

Once the new version is available, please give it a few tries before you comment, as Yellack mentioned.

Thanks, and Enjoy :)

in 2020 or next patch?

Don't be that way

really liking that new RA area, looking forward to playing it

Looks really good actually :D keep up the good work

As said earlier, looks a lot more fun now. :) Good work guys.

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nice

Great work, can't wait to see this on Faceit! Cup :)

inpatient to see some top games on new sinister.

sad that cooller wont play this gr8 map, it would so suit his manner of play, with his knowlege where the enemy is and his fierce out-of-control railing.

but we still have CZM who's gonna be awesome too here)

looks sexy

I really, really like the look of things here! I think it will be great and I'm looking even more forward to seeing some awesome matches being played here.

Great job!

I love all the changes gameplay-wise, but the solid brick wall below RA stairs? Thick and heavy as the Great Wall of China, but floating in the air? Looks wrong :)

Can't wait to play it!

good would be sad without you

Tournament Map list

Sinister
Toxicity
Silence
Bloodrun (NEVER GONNA GIVE YOU UP)
FuriousHeights

if 7 maps
Hektik
Aerowalk

i think that mappool is not bad at all.
But most of esr-users probably disaggree

f1

How on earth is not aerowalk in the top 5?

Yous must be trolling.

aerowalk is junk sniper map. fact

aerowalk was my home map for a long time. I even made a newbies guide with memento_mori on youtube.
but I'd rather see hektik in the pool than aerowalk, even though I think that over all aerowalk is the better map than hektik. Just because I've overplayed it, and it has been overplayed over the years.
and tox is at least as a good map as aerowalk in my oppinion.

listen to this man.

what about the spawns? do you have a overview screenshot with all the spawns?

no overview, but looked into, killed some, added some, should be alright but only games will tell.

ok good stuff... rly looking forward to it

I approve, and my most played duel map is Sinister.

how many duels did you play? 1?

http://qlranks.com/duel/player/24

Not many, but still more than 20 played Sinister. :P

coool cant wait :)

Please someone make a youtube video of this new layout :)

Edit : post number 1000 :p

tbh. i'm a little bit disappointed. The only thing that really botherd me about the first version were the spawn points. and those seem to be still very wierd. at least to me...

I agree, some of the spawns around red room seem a bit dodgy to say the least. I've literally been at RA and someone spawned opposite RA :o

After playing some more "serious" games on sinister (at least on my part) I have to say It's still slightly too defensive. I've found myself being able to keep up with players much above my skill level by just playing a very defensive game. Those games were usually very low scoring and with a lot of time spent +backing, and in the end it always came down to either one of the players hitting a few rails in a row or lg vs lg fights around the MH area in which the player with the bigger stack usually won.

There is still a lack of potential traps to set up, and because the geometry is so open you can easily hear or see which position/route your opponent has taken making it almost impossible to throw the opponent off tactically.

Nevertheless, the map is much better since the update. When not playing too serious it's a lot of fun now. The ramps on the stairs are a great feature and the overall flow is much better. The 60 second rail spawn time also integrates much better now, though I would like to see the rail spawn time being changed from 60 seconds to 25-35 seconds making it clash more often with the other items spawning thus forcing the player in control to have to choose between the rail and one of the major items more often.

A few suggestions: I would personally like to see the geometry around the RA tweaked a bit to allow for more possible traps to be set up, to have the sound radius reduced if possible (you can hear GA pickup from RA and vice versa) and to add an additional GA/YA or some shards placed further away from the RA/MH to give the player out of control an easier time stacking up. Adding another teleporter or two to allow for more possible routes to take would also spice things up as its very easy to keep track of the enemy's position ATM, rewarding safe play too heavily as a result and lacking reward for risk taking.

I'm sorry if I sound too critical, I appreciate the work Yellack and akm have put into this map. They have also created one of the better TDM maps in QL and are obviously very skilled mappers. I think that due to QL's nerfed weapon damage it's much more challenging to make a slower-paced, "tactical" duel map work in QL. Out of the all the larger/slower duel maps made for QL only T7 and silence been able to work out.

I do have a tendency to be wrong btw.

I agree with about everything you say.
I just want to add that in open maps a usual way to break control is hitting a couple of rails by not getting hit.
On other maps you need to hit a couple of good spam rockets or something to break control (or decreas your opponents stack so you can actually engage in a fight)... like on dm13
but to me its very hard, if not inpossible to hit such rockets, because the map is too open and too big for that. there are only a few corridors which are narrow and you can avoid them pretty easily
so you need the rail to break control, which is a tricky thing, because of the long rail spawn. So over all the balance seems to be a bit off on this map.
coming back to the spawnpoints. I have no problem with spawnfrags on a fast map, like tox, hek, aero. because they dont mean too much. but on a potentially very slow map like sinister its not a good thing. why? so its pretty hard to get fragged (I guess). So its like 4 mins+ 0:0. Then one gets a frag and because of the spawnfrags its like 3:0. and its hard to break control. this is basically the end of the game.

but maybe I'm wrong and all pros play the map very differently after playing it for years. who knows.
I still appriciate the effort of the mappers and hope to see more of your stuff soon.

Hi. If you are interested - I have some thoughts about Sinister map.
The map is really nice, but unfortunately it didn't gain big popularity.

Just several suggestions: the RA room is so open and big. In first version you had a pillar at the place, where currently the stairs start. It is some sort of defense for out-of control player, who tries to give damage to the one, who is on RA platform.
Check MH room in Furious heights. It has a lot of defensive pillars there.

Also I thought that maybe GA to YA change will give more even stacks for both players.

Your prayers were answered. :)

just keep fixing it, it's got a cool name and nice concept, just tweak it until its baller..

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