http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tqxzWdKKu8

Are you suggesting that nazi's stormed the beaches at Normandy?

He's saying he misses John Romero.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w96oT4ekj9I

careful what you wish for. a merger could leave us with perks, pay2win or maybe just hats. id for all their faults have left the gameplay intact without complying to modern trends. built in ladders, leaderboards and tournaments would be awesome and promotionally there is so much work to do but activision should not touch this shit.

hats > *

I said it earlier: delete all subscription options, make everything free, and introduce hats. Best business model ever.

I reckon we should get more people streaming themselves playing quake on twitch tv. If you are a quaker and have more than 2mb/3mb upload speeds than you can stream without lagging yourself and help get new people playing.

EDIT: btw I didn't even read the op and needed a place to post this lol.

I didn't even read the op

always the correct choice in a jonsey thread.

Not true. I have 14mb upload and can't stream myself playing because I only have an i5 3570k at 4.4ghz

Have you tried open broad caster software, it streams and keeps quake at 125fps for the people ive seen.

yeah, tried that, it keeps 125fps but it feels laggy as hell when playing

so you need an i7 at 5ghz to stream quake?

lol no
I was streaming some on my i3 3,1Hz in 1024x768, around 2mbit/s upload bandwidth was used (picmip!) and CPU wasn't loaded more than 60-70% iirc.

while playing?

While speccing. I guess if you want to play AND stream you should mutiply those numbers by 1.5-2 :X

"Aside from buying and owning the Quake brand, what the potential company (such as Valve or the CoD corporation), would be gaining, is primarily this community."

Personally i don't want the CoD community to join us. I read quotes from their forums before and their idea of skill is just wrong. I've read that auto aim is skill because everybody have it and therefore it is skill based! And then quick scoping have an autoaim so if you hit your aim key while your crosshair is close to the enemy your crosshair will be "dragged" on to your enemy(like an aimbot).

I don't want them to come to join us. Imagine how ruined Quake would be if those features where in the next Quake.

Also i tried Call of Duty 4 online before. I where accused of being homosexual more in that month or so then i have been the rest of my life combined. So again that is not the community that we want to join Quake.

Better would be if ID made an "easy" game mode let's just call it warfare for time being.

We take two militaries fighting each other(stroggs vs marines) in this case. In a game mode like domination, where you take and hold points on the map just like in Unreal Tournament if you have played it.

involve some classes such as

Scout: Movement speed of 360 or so and spawns with 100 healt 50 armour. spawns with shotgun and railgun.

Rocketeer: spawns with rocket launcher and q2 style Machine gun(not chain gun). 100 health and 100 armour. normal movement speed

Grunt: spawns with grenade launcher and q2 style hyperblaster. 100 healt and 150 armour. normal movement speed.

and you respawn in the sky of the maps like if you are being dropped from the sky.

You don't have health regen instead you pick up ammo boxes, health bubbles and Armour at the controll point. armour doesn't tick down and you can't pick up more then your max amount. Unless you pick up mega armour or mega health, mega amour will tick down to you class max level. This will make Quake similair to many modern games like battlefield and CoD but will not rely on classes throwing boxes at each other and call it teamplay like in battlefield, instead you focus more on teamplay in combat. You also get rid of one of the most difficult aspect of normal Quake wich is getting armour and weapons because you already spawn with them in this gamemode.

And of course you leave duel and normal TDM, CTF untouched.

This will give new players a easier gamemode to play and it won't ruin quake with health regen unlockable weapons and shit like that. You could add a rank of course as long as it doesn't mean anything it just shows you that you are a sergeant or lieutenant and have played X amount of games.

This is just something i made up in 20 minutes or so and is just an idea of how we could make Quake more accessible for new players. Trying to make a player go from battlefield or CoD directly in to duel is really difficult so this would make it a bit easier.

If you would like to add something to this just go ahead it's just an unfinished idea of how to make Quake more popular amongst players that haven't played it before.

EDIT: What i meant with spawning in the sky i meant that you spawn with something like a jet suit like if you are being dropped from a drop ship of some kind. On your descent from the sky you move with some aircontroll so you can choose where to land on the map. I'm not saying you should spawn out in space just like 200 meters(~600 feet) or so.

This is the type of game that seems to sell these days and would probably make Quake more successful with the mainstream players that started out with team fortress 2 CoD or Battlefield.

ql has easy mode: its called Clan Arena

bs

in ca newbs get insulted like hell. ur post is pseudo elitistic bs, to be more precise

i dont fucking care about ca players being whiny kids.

CA is quake without pickups and timings, which is fucking easy mode.


die in a carfire random nazi

hitsu relax a bit will you?

I wouldn't say it's definitely easy. It's easy on the brain, sure, but very aim heavy, thus it takes a lot of skill, just different skills.

Yes of course Clan Arena is an easier game mode then duel. But it is a fair game mode. You all have the same amount of health and weapons. So choosing the right weapon for the right situation is important and a skill that comes with experience.

In modern games like battlefield cod etc it's actually unfair. Because if you can only have one weapon you will almost always win vs a more skilled player when you bump in to him unexpectedly if you have the right class/weapon for that engagement.

Such as if you have a shotgun and i have a sniper and we bump into each other at long range it doesn't matter if you are more skilled because a shotgun won't hit me but i can hit you at range. the situation is reversed if we face each other up close.

Therefore it is unfair in someways because skill becomes less important. That is why CoD and Battlefield attracts so many casuals and CA doesn't really attract that many of them.

Counter picking and weapon selection are a skill. The sniper is equally at fault and can change his game.

Those franchises attract casuals because of their themes (war and modern warfare).

Yes of course but if you are playing with many players you are going to get into many random situation where players respawn near you and so on.

I played battlefield 3 when it came out and i where playing a round of team deathmatch. I played as sniper and where doing good i camped in a building far away from the enemy and got a lot of kills because only enemy snipers where a real threat at that distance. Then the spawns changed, suddenly enemies where spawning on the same side of the map as i where on. it didn't matter that i where more skilled then them and that i had played my class with near perfection. Since they spawned with shotguns and assault rifles i couldn't to much to prevent getting killed there.

There are situation like this and many other that make them less fair then quake style of TDM. I did NOT mean that they are complete shit, in fact i enjoyed battlefield 3.

EDIT: forgot to mention popularity because of themes. Halo is a game that is also popular but is not set in a modern warfare, but is still popular. So they are not popular only because of their theme. They are popular because they are relatively good, but really easy to get good at.

For example i where almost always top 3 when i played battlefield on 32 player servers. i where actually pretty good at it. And i didn't have to play that much to get good. While in quake on the other hand i play it a lot and i still can't duel for shit.

Keeping item times and fighting the enemy or figuring out where he is heading is really difficult for me. While in battlefield camping as a sniper in TDM is really easy. Arming the MCOMs in rush isn't that difficult and while fighting i only have to think of hitting my shots with my main weapon.

Compare that to a Quake fight where you have to dodge rockets/rail think of your stack vs your enemys stack so you don't overcommint into a fight. Dying in Quake is also really bad, you lose all of your weapons and they can be difficult to pick up without taking damage or dying again. While if you spawn with a weapon. You don't have to think about where your opponent will be trying to ambush you and you don't have to think about getting rushed down at your spawn where you don't have a weapon to fight them of. So spawning with a powerful weapon really does change the game a lot.

And no I'm not saying that easier games are bad. i where going to compare this to playing out of control in quake maps like ZTN where it is easier compared to on Toxicity, It doesn't make ZTN a shitty map because it is easier neither a noob map. but it's getting really late now so i keep writing wierd shit that doesn't make any sense. Another time maybe :)

quakelive/quake5/reborn/etc
they need some type of round based/objective mode to have any success with casuals(CA is too dry, it's not good enough).
something where anyone can have fun and feel like they're contributing.
i believe it's possible, but it's going to take a long time to perfect, and who knows if id has the resources at this point.


lets look at some current games

l4d series: finishing the map as a team is the goal. enjoyable for all skill levels.
one of the best games i've ever played(side-note, zoid, from idsoftware, worked on the development of the game).

cs: many types of objective modes. still going strong.

tf2: never played it, but i believe it uses a round system nowadays.

halo was popular, but it's dying out because it can't compete with cod

gears: too difficult of a game for casuals, it'll never be popular again.


yes, cod tdm/ctf is popular, but nobody gives a fuck about winning in pub.
it's all about getting those epic killstreaks.
that's the real objective ;p
what if quake added killstreaks/perks? i'd never work because it doesn't belong in a game like quake. id is better off trying to find a round system type game that people would enjoy.



edit:just checked out harvestor mode for the first time.
that looks like a step in the right direction for id
is it premium only?

It's not premium only i have a free account and have played it.

And yes CoD and battlefield feels revarding even if you are losing because you get killstreaks and ranks even while losing. So if you lose you can at the end of the round you think, yeah i lost but at least i ranked up from sergeant to master sergeant and i got this medal for killing X amount of enemies in one round.

Compare to Quake when you are playing CTF and getting destroyed. A casual will never stay because it doesn't feel rewarding to them. While "modern" games tells you that you have ranked up you have got this medal because you killed 50 people with this weapon, now kill 50 more for a gold medal and 50000 XP.

TF2 and Battlefield also have classes where you can get point and XP for just playing you class. In battlefield you can get point for throwing boxes at your teammates. And if they pick up enough ammo or health from these boxes you get ribbons and then eventually medals for it.

You don't have to have much skill to feel important for your team. Thats why i started out with harvester, i where terrible. I could only do one thing that was camping with rail. But since i got kills and those that were good enough took the skulls to the enemy base, it felt like i where doing something for the team. Even though i had poor skills i were part of the teams victory.


If quake wants to get more players it needs some game mode where casuals can get rewarded and feel like they are part of the victory untill they are good enough for "real" gamemodes.

Wouldn't this work with freezetag? Even make it like you have brought back 3 players at one game, you get a medal etc...

In MOH:aa You can 'shoot' a beam for '5' seconds and your teammate is unfreezed. For this we could maybe use the beam of railgun, shoot your teammate 5 times with rail or something...

Think new players would love freezetag tbh, fun way to get into quake.

so you want a mode thats give little to no game experiance?

thats useless. guys will play this "retard quakelive" and any attempt to move to more oldschool gamemodes will be like : "meh, i played retard quakelive for 10 years, and they own me hard here"

Actually some of them will move on to "real" gamemodes and like them. I started out with harvester and CA, now I'm playing duel and CA. So I'm one of them that moved from easier gamemodes to more difficult gamemodes.

And like i wrote to ischju, casuals bring money. Both to ID and to tournaments. If we get a lot of players some of them will watch streams from DH/QCon and will get ad revenue and sponsorship money. More people buying the game will give more money to ID so they can make better games etc.

More viewers on the streams will also give more money to tournaments. Witch will make tournaments more interesting because players are playing for a lot more money.

So attracting casuals is rather important. At least they would bring us $$$.

i see your point

this. a simpler fun mode to get more players. some will be good enough for the real game modes.
but u wheren´t the first to suggest this, just sayin :>

I never claimed to be the first one to say that simplifying games will make them more appealing to casuals.

I just stated that it is one way to do so. And like i wrote it is an unfinished idea that i made up rather quickly, so it's going to have some flaws in it .

When I was a newby (or call me still one..). I loved to play public TDM.

In CA if you're the only survivor and suck, you feel the pressure that everyone is watching you and you fail and gett flamed...

Duel: you lose 15 to -2 and nobody give tips what you're doing wrong.

CTF: public is also fun for newby's. But in pickup nobody wants you and you also fail for the team you're playing, no fun in that.


Yesterday I was playing CA and there was a newby. His own team was flaming him, instead of having fun...

The community should help and be friendly against newbies. That is all we need. I picked Quake really up when I joined a clan that helped me understand the game.

We need more low skilled clans in competition. Stop approaching quake as the best fps and the hardest to master. But give quake the fun thursday and sunday nights back... with some fancy ctf and tdm,

yeah, i ain't playing much quake due lack of time for now.

Quake's biggest problem is that it is so god damn hard. Look at all the shooters. They are joke. When I see kiddies play these days they can be arsed to get owned for 2 years before fragging someone. They want ultra headshot after 10 minutes of play and some random movement - generally the slower, the better. So they can still sip their redbull.

Read my post above about making an easier game mode for new players.

Also most people want a goal to play for other then winning the round. Look at battlefield where people played to get to top rank.

If you add something similar to Quake it will have a bigger chance of casuals joining and some of them will be going to "real" game modes.

People that need extrinsic motivation to play a game are pussies. No, but that ship has sailed. You cannot change QL how it is right now - it would be easier to make a new game and implement all the suggested changes. Let us hope for 2gds game.

What do you have against pussies, i love pussies.

But on a more serious note. I meant for Quake 5 not for QL i should have been more clear on that point.

And qetting more casuals in to quake even if it only where to an easy mode would be good.
Because some of them would try duel/TDM and stay in those because they enjoy it, some of them probably doesn't even know 1vs1 games exists today. Some others might tune in to watch quake on dreamhack/quakecon etc. More viewers gives more sponsorship money, more sponsorship money gives more quake players attending and more exciting games, because winning matters more when there is more money involved.

So attracting casuals is important because, some of them will become hardcore, they will bring $$ to ID so they can make better games. And they will provide $$$ in sponsorship just by watching streams and so on

quake might not be the fps with the highest esport/fanbase/popularity/mainstream potential. but even about this "average" potential id doesn't seem to care at all... its like living off social welfare and saying "fuck this i'll burn all my money"...

It's not a question of promoting the game or generating publicity. People are aware quake live exists, they just simply don't care.

Quake, in whatever incarnation, is never going to be some massive esport that gets tons of viewers. We've got a game that we love, stop whining and play.

Actually alot of people doesn't even know about Quake, neither Quake Live.

You can actually get many more viewers to Quake. Look at Aliens: Colonial Marines. It was a terrible game, Yet still it was one of the most sold due to its marketing. The game crashed, had features that were promised but eventually removed from the game before release.

It sold only because of its marketing. Never because it was a good game.