quake lans have great games and awkward award ceremonies

its the best of both worlds

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nice stream stats about:
twitch 150k
in game gotv 270k

y, and production value and casting is brilliant along with so many good and interesting teams, it's just an amazing event so far.

+they're gonna cast all quarter finals, IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE? ZENIMAX? IS THIS MAGIC?

LOL
Sadly cs is boring like hell, but gg valve

lol watching rapha take items is fun l3l

playing csgo for some time now, i find it more addictive than quake.

MMMMMM MM MM MM MAA MAM AM AAA MATCHMAKING

ye it's actually just "find a match" spamming + easy to pick maps.

bear in mind, it's my first cs ever, and right up until i tried cs:go i thought it's just cornercamping cratecrouching bullshit.

edit: also those weapon skins that i thought were moronic i find quite nice now. you don't spend whole time looking at same weapon. :D

ye, skins could be addictive too...

I didnt care about it at start, but quite recently bought maybe 2 keys (one from selling skins, one by my moneys)... and I won some skin worth 40 EUR and sold it :P

you dont even wanna know how much ive spent on the game
inventory:http://i.imgur.com/QdL46cL.png

shit son... :D

thats why you are legendary eagle master :P

FU SNOW :D

http://i.imgur.com/a0XHcD2.jpg

I bought like 50 esl sticker capsules when they only cost 0.17$, had tons of fun opening those. :D

im happy quakers are becoming a bit more open minded nowadays

Well, I come from brood war, so I've always known that ql/q3 ain't the best game ever made. It was just hard to find an equally addictive shooter.

but CS is wooden :P

maybe you would have felt the same way about cs 1.6 had you given it a chance ;)

Thanks to valve, not because the mechanical basis of the game are better.

ofc business model and marketing are what make the games nowadays

casting seems really dry tbh

Semmler+Anders is the main casting team, and they're better than you could ask for, amazing team. Also known as RoomOnFire.

$$$$ God Gaben makin it rain rain rain $$$$

Almost 500 000 viewers total. K

i dont even like CS all that much but all the spectator features are just fucking amazing, found myself watching more than a few matches. also reminds me once again how shit ql is

i was about the make a thread watching csgo esl one cologne
be jellos quakers
but ye
SO much more quake COULD have been
with the proper business model no one can deny any game can be good

Yeah the tournaments are presented very well but still boring to watch for me.

I can only stand so much slow walking, waiting around corners and fights that just seem like 2 people standing still shooting at each other's feet.

Don't worry loadouts will save quake and soon we will have lans like this

that cloud9 vs titan game was sick!

Enjoyed it too.

Yeah totally insane, had bet on C9 on both Pick 'em and csgolounge too, I was jumping in my seat, literally.

Proof or you lie and actually bet on Titan but jumped on your seat raging =D

http://i.imgur.com/t3wHN1B.png

Very nice, even NIP vs Epsilon, nice ROFL. Did you bet randomly btw?

No I do my research. I just thought epsilon looks so on fire this tournament, was surprising to see kioshima being the carry in that game, but nice either way. But with kioshima being on fire and with shox+fxy0+sf by your side, thats close to unstoppable.

http://i.imgur.com/SVXQSPg.jpg

\:D/ finally!

Let's trade? OpieOP

Kappa

vod?

http://youtu.be/7jSuGar_HKo?list=PLhCH_nPE4JT...CCRCuknq2z

did he just say they're going to play aztec? lol?

That's what most people would call a joke. :D personally, I'd call it a yoke.

Would be really funny tho. Some glorious games were played on that map.

I'm gonna go and watch that game ingame now. Really great.

i get to watch gotv with my settings, keeping track of whichever player i want, and i get to hear the casters on top of it all; this is so good. valve isn't perfect, but god damn do they try.

Now imagine the game would play like 1.6 :O and not like another cod clone :x

game isnt bad as ur portraying to be emoFX ;(

Not saying it is a bad game. I just don't enjoy it. Neither does anyone else who I played 1.6 with. Some of them were actually good :O

Really? I have friends who played ESWC 1.6 and enjoy GO now. Also, being an old vCOD, COD2 PAM, and COD4 Promod played, GO is nothing like any COD. Ever. Tactics, gameplay, how you rush, how to defend, movements, strafing etc, totally different games...

movement? Kappa

COD strafe jumping is exactly like Quake (iw engine is using Quake engine), holding forward + left/right + mouse movement = faster/longer movement. And walls give speed boost, 125 fps sometimes give further jumps, 250 fps more consistent movements etc, 333 fps sometimes higher jumps.




Same guy on CSGO now, possibilities are just not the same bhopping in CS compared to the old COD.



edit: fuck didn't see it was you pacman Opie

damn...

make cod4 promod standalone game + add matchmaking, and im sold.

cod1-4 was fun + ET.
CS is wooden.

Competitive cod4 promod is dead and has been for a few years now, it was already in a bad state when I quit in 2012 and it's even worse now. Public promod servers are still packed, there's multiple full servers in just about every country, Sri Lanka, Singapore, India, you name it, shame most of those people have no interest in competitive cod4 (or what's left of it rather)

I know all of these things, still it was fun ;<

this might tickle your pickle:
http://recoveryfps.com/

supposed to be a cod4 style game, pretty sure the dev is planning to have matchmaking too

cool!

Bunnyhopping and strafe jumping have nothing to do whatsoever with quake or not quake. It originates from the vectorial physics, wich is default in any scratch developed engine.

You could start developing a simple engine now, and unless you deliberately offset vectorial movement, you'll have bunnyhopping and strafejumping and circlejumping, for how goofy they may look.

Also, modern cod games have no traces of the ole quake engine anymore. They have been rebuilt from 0 at some point.

I didn't know about the vectorial physics. The last COD I tried (BO2), with no fps limit like on the consoles still allows you to strafe etc, but the effects are less pronounced. I don't know about the last one though, haven't tried MW3, but Phantasy in a test video iirc said he could still move a bit like on COD4, but it's not as good again. Ghost I guess is completely different.

It happens in every tridimensional game, if you don't deliberate regulate or stop it.

http://www.funender.com/quake/articles/strafing_theory.html

It so is because, unlike in the real world, the game engine give you vectorial speed by moving in two different directions at the same time.

Many games remove it, because it feels weird and unnatural and can break the gameplay. L4d, for example.

Interestingly, it was considered a bug in quake too, and was meant to be removed, but they opted to leave it to add a thing to the gameplay.
Carmack was against bunnyhopping.

Thing with Go is that there is even less movement than there was in 1.6. I enjoyed all the small tricks, like nuke hall drop, pipegliding, russianwalking, fasterwalking (270us compared to 250us), boosting mates etc.
I don't see any of that in Go. People just peek around the corner and as Go is a bit faster it is all about who has the better reaction and aim.
Because of that position doesn't mean much.
Watched a game yesterday and it is so weird how players go so aggressive and try to get a kill on both sides. When I played myself a bit I had the feeling as attacker you always have the advantage which shouldn't be.
So whenever the first kill happens players just rush that bombside.
Anyone who has seen mtw.dk in their prime knows what I mean.
It's just a different game.
And I don't even wanna comment on awp which seems to be like a railgun :O.






Just a small illustration why and what 1.6 made so good. Nothing special except maybe the last vid. Don't think you can do stuff like this in go. Don't get me wrong they do a great job with go its just not a game I enjoy.

Yes I understand but isn't the community also part of the reason of these changes? I'm absolutely clueless about it, but I remember when GO was still in alpha or beta the players could voice their opinion and compared to now the game has evolved a lot, no? Back then it was the right time to influence the development of the game, or what am I missing?

Eh I remember lurpis being pretty upset about cs:go and a lot of other ex pros, too. Ofc, most of them are pretty happy with the game now because they earn a shit ton of money hence you don't hear much negativy from them. Like who shits on the teller he's eating from?
Quick google search and found this.
http://www.ongamers.com/articles/lurppis-1-6-.../1100-799/

They've made a lot of smaller fixes that add up to a huge difference over time, but there's still a large number of people unhappy with movement, recoil, maps etc.

I think people like whiMp, who have all the fundamentals down and simply don't make mistakes when playing probably wouldn't shine as much in CS:GO as they did in 1.6 (which sort of applies for naSu too in my opinion) because CS:GO has peeker's advantage and doesn't reward playing what we consider "the right way" as much as CS 1.6 did.

I think so. It takes away some of the credibility. I've watched some CS:GO matches with my old friends who haven't played CS in years and never tried CS:GO, and even they've commented saying the players don't look very good because spraying seems so hard compared to how it was in CS 1.6., so it makes the players look less impressive.

Community aspect aside the game is still shit and not enjoyable if you have a 1.6 background and liked the above points.

Ah and don't get me wrong I'm not glorifying 1.6. 1.6 had some huge major flaws which so many hoped to see fixed in both source and go.

spraying is harder?
no its just the patterns are different
i can link you players friberg and shr0ud having almost perfect spray control
how is get_right good at cs:go?
how is f0rest good at cs:go?
i took me some time to get used to cs:go but honestly
peekers advantage? it doesn't have that anymore because you dont start running at full speed u accelerate so u cannot peek the corner at full speed if ur just walking and start running
edit:ak spray pattern which is always the same
http://imgur.com/a/m1pz2/layout/horizontal#0
how to control it:http://imgur.com/a/mzpuh/layout/horizontal#0

dat defuse :O :D

as a spectator, i always thought russian walking looked ridiculous.

i prefer 1.6 as well. i don't know what it is but go just doesn't feel right.

choo choo all aboard the shoxilon train

Don't forget there is also CS:GO Lounge which lets you bet skins on all the matches which gathers even more community engagement into the competitive scene.

http://i.imgur.com/nY4LKp8.png

On a roll bro!

no commentary on gotv? :-C

Was for me, \voice_caster_enable

There is normally.

anyone got a free CS:GO key ? :P

cloud9 do it again hahah

Another won bet. Man I think I'm running this tournament by now.

Fuck I came here to see if you saw that one coming too.

http://i.imgur.com/yQRSduL.png

If it makes you happy, kennyS let me down.

It doesn't but 3 bets that you lost only? Lol tomorrow will be interesting

: D I agree. These games are horrible to bet on, they're all so even :l

Did a valuebet against my better knowledge only for the odds, now let's hope. I'll let you know how it went even though you can probably figure it out. =D

I also do okay on this, this tournament is just good for me.

http://i.imgur.com/ILbkwCZ.jpg

Had no Na'Vi sticker. : (

[section reserved for comment after current game :D]


PS: funnyb future cs consultant?

I'm up two X-Rays and two M4A4-s Guardians so far, but the epsilon game put me back(none of those items lost), I was betting on yesterdays epsilon, not todays!

Now also an AK Red Line and an AWP Electric Hive, thank you fnatic.

..+ some other shitty stuff too obv, but that was the good ones.

my first bet but also won \o/

FN M4A4 X-ray + a few other stuff \o/

i never tbh expected u to watch csgo and bet
like totally surprsied

I play it too. I enjoy it a lot. :)

and what do you know, cs:go is on sale on steam for 7€

these guys know a thing or two about business

Maybe after the upcoming update ESR will move to CS.

Have you ever heard of dignity?
















:)

I recently started Quake 1 with my fellow QL-er, so I guess the answer is yes 8)

Fellow QL-er :OOOO
#jelly

Co-op?

A few duels on ztn :D

vods? just bought cs:go too =)

http://t.co/WS092Yr0nO

you can watch the demos w/ commentary and vendetta's speccing live from inside the game if you want to experience ingame smoothness.

I must say it's pretty funny to see half of ESR jump on the CS:GO train after shitting on CS 1.6, a superior CS, for years ,-)

Don't count me in, because I never said shits about 1.6 =)

To be fair, I'd still shit on cs 1.6, cs:go is a vast improvement for me. Now let's just enjoy this event!

What about it is an improvement?

sK1nzzzz

Doesn't look like shit. It's new and shiny and community and valve and tournaments and new flash effect and pew pew and skins and and and you know.

Overall movement and graphics of 1.6 just feels like crap to me, cs:go has made it all feel so much better.

that's funny considering 1.6 movement is all around more solid and stable feeling. and no shit a 15 year old game has bad graphics, derp.

I don't know m8, q3 looks still fine :=)

quake 3 is the fuckin crysis of the 90s

He asked, I replied.

The 1.6 movement is actually much more dynamic and sharper. But yes, CS:GO does have better graphics.

The features, man.

It also feels MUCH more like CS 1.6 and MUCH better than CSS, which was the last CS I tried.

The biggest one is the fact, that you don't have to download 325mb of files prior to connecting to the server and then listen 30 sec loop of 64kbps tekkno after each round

I was talking about gameplay.

It is affecting gameplay if there is no gameplay but a progress bar.
And 64kbps tekkno destroys brain faster than just pure CS.

I was talking about gameplay.

I was talking about gameplay.

Apparently not.

WOW how good are the features for CS:GO, load game up and everything you could want ot do with CS:GO is there right in front of you! Telling me there's a big tournament going on and it's now live, 2 clicks and I'm watching GOTV with commentary as well.

edit : where do I get gun skins etc??

theres many ways
one way is just playing and you'll get drops inagme
another way is opening cases which also drop ingame
third way is buying them off the market

It actually pleases me to see you embrace it, because yeah, THIS is how it should be done. An amazing show and great features all around, simply great.

was playing with nekon and fluff yesterday

nice :)

loved cbble back in the days. is it that bad in go?

It's apparently very different, but I think it plays nice. Will be even better when teams figure it out more.

a little bit to big.

I guess this is an appropriate place to let anyone who doesn't know, or anyone getting into the game, that I do some CS:GO content on my youtube channel as well such as: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6Dq4GF2VLE :P

I saw you randomly on 2facetv, surprised me, but happy for you man. I hope you get a foot in, cs:go is picking up, another major coming up this year! Do it for the sandslott!

a little nitpick from me

you called rafters "cat" on nuke

learn them callouts man :)

http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/451790688...6E7F079EC/

well there aren't ever one set of calls for any map, different regions use different calls often, i play a lot and that's the terminology i'm used to, hard to accommodate everyone. hopefully context clarifies things though in this case! I agree rafters makes more sense and i'll probs implement that cause I think it's definitely clearer. Usually we call your cat, outer cat :D

well in other cases sure you can argue different names different regions and shit but here there are in-game names for both of those spots :)

I'm watching Dignitas vs Fnatic right now and I was just thinking of making a thread to talk about the spectator features. I see from a quick scan of this thread that I'm not the only one who noticed though!

Other 'esport' games, take note. Would love to see these kind of features in UT4 and reflex etc.

It's just a pity the ginger-kid is not doing the analysis, instead there is this gonzo-man who looks like a shaven pig - he's good though.
What I don't understand is why you would pair play-by-play-casters together (tossspot and pansy).

ginger kid is such an ungrateful ass

<3

Go NiP!

It was cool to try the GOTV, I think I was watching gotv with like 310k people and about 200k on twitch :O crazy

And not one item was dropped on me. :-C

yup one of the best tournaments weve had so far in cs history and it just keeps growing

navi was really surprising me with how on form they were for this event considering they havent had the best experience in csgo as a team but man edward and zeus were lookin how they use to look back in 1.6 it was awesome to see them back in that shape with edward coming up huge in some rounds with really important triples etc

ldlc is a big surprise to as online they dont get the best results and kind of usually just have a rush a site and outaim everyone mindset but they actually brought some real tactics/strategies to this event and used them perfectly and it really caught virtus pro off guard, they were constantly getting faked out and flanked

so far great tournament a couple upsets and surprises from teams you wouldnt normally expect to perform at that level with that much tactical prowess

sad to see cloud9/complexity go out early again, i root for them at every single major since n0thing use to be one of my favorite players as a kid and is now a friend i 10man with sometimes. but they just need more exposure to the euro scene and practice with them to get use to the way they play but its so hard for american teams to get that

looking forward to the grand finals

ever since I caught this round and made this video I have been a massive fan of LDLC. By looking closely it became apparent that they are a complete team with everything required to win a big major. I spoke to Happy a bit as well and it's clear that this guy just gets it- it's a shame they choked away their game on cobble =(. But great to see them getting to the semis at least!

Oh for sure they have always been a great team full of potential and always floating around the top 4-5 area. I especially remember noticing this when they beat Titan at Copenhagen games but as I come from 1.6 I dont have a lot of experience with the whole lineup and their history in cs:s and I was just pointing out from what I see online they usually tend to keep it simple and just try to execute on apEX entry fragging, keeping it a bit more aim based than most teams etc. They really brought it this tournament though which is exciting to see as they definitely have some entertaining players on that lineup that would be amazing to watch in some grand final situations =)

Awesome video to btw, you always do a great job on these. There's not a lot of people who make good analytic videos in the CS scene right now so its good to see you around making these for players.

Heaton, happier than everyone else haha.

His team to begin with, I'd be really glad too!

Also imagine a l0wfly-sticker (holo), man that'd look badass.

the possibilities are endless : D
Cooller sticker?

Yeah but, where's the dick? I need to photoshop myself a l0wfly sticker. Maybe even a (holo)

heaton during final round

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=776746759052843

nice!

:)

like it when he bulldozed through everyone like a rugby player!

A few years ago...ok...a good bunch of years ago Quake was good enough with what it had in features for the fans. Games did always upgrade and made them more Viewer friendly, Quake in that matter, is still suck in 1999. And with those updates is doing a step deeper into its own made grave.

Quake needs good leaders who understand there shit, those who do it now (i dont get if its Sponge and SyncError or whoever) seemingly dont understand how to do it.

Even a game like Cod2 managed to get a 10.000$ event up (fully managed and organized by a few players) a year or two ago.

Also other games do that all the time (maybe not as big...but hey.) Quake does get nothing, struggles to get shown up on event XY. And online it relys on a single russian guy to put money into it, so pros even bother joining up.

Steam is a very good step, if Steam would just spent 1000$ or so for Fps tournaments each months and 5000$ for 1-2 Offline events a year, the game would be save. They did already save Csgo from dying with starting a 250.000$ tournament, all the lost pros came back like flies to a big piece of shit...in the matter of seconds.

Though i dont even know if ID has any intrest to save QL, since they have a new game as well (?), and there are also other games coming up...

Never actually played it even though i do own it (bought it for like 2.99 during a sale) but it's a masterclass on how to develop an esports fps game for sure.

Makes u wonder what Quake could be if they gave the rights to Valve, i bet Valve would love to make a Quake game as well.

I just tried cs:go i'm fucking terrible at it, I can't stand camping so I go roaming and get raped really hard. But it is fun, I like flashbanging my own teammates so they get raped and start yelling at me.

I also like buying really expensive guns and throwing them down just randomly and waiting for a nigga to come pick it up and then I pounce.

The troll potential is very high in this game, I think I'll have some fun.

Rush with P90!

what's that do?

Can you still spray tags/symbols on the walls and shit like cs 1.6?

I wanna get a Goatse.cx

The Quake community was always infested with feeling of superiority.

Truth is, after Q3A the entire Quake franchise went to shit while its 'worthless' and 'inferior' counterparts like CS or ET started making history.

I never thought I would write this on Quake forum, and in the old days I would get flamed to kingdom come, but now QL has to learn from other FPSs not in order to stay on top, as it will not reach it, but just to survive.

So, no surprises here.

Quake, as an fps game in itself is still superior, u'll be hard pressed to find anyone here who thinks cs-go offers a better gameplay experience.

However we have no choice but to admit that everything surrounding the game (spectator facilities , event production values, newbie experience etc) has been done way better by other titles.

Quake needs to improve on those things, not on its gameplay

few years ago ppl wouldn't admit quake was inferior
reality shows quake just lacks the features to be a successful modern E-sports title.
Time and time again we get to the discussion how the gameplay of quake is amazing however they way its presented is terrible.

Quake 3 actually had those features which is why people defended it.

Quake live however does not .. there is really no excuse for an fps game to not have "GTV" just to name one thing.

We've actually regressed not progressed

When did ET make history OpieOP

http://www.hltv.org/news/13080-new-records-se...ogne-final

big thanks to Lurrpis. He wrote blog about micropayments, idea about skins and so other shit. It wasn't new in games, but it worked great in csgo. Ofcourse big thanks for Valve, who supported that idea.
Q3/QL will never be more popular as it is. In last days of Q3/CPMA, quake had so little players. Quakelive brought as realy much new guys. Im still amazed how much players playing QL atm, becouse it's realy shit game to be in 2014. I smile, then I read, that steam will bring some new fresh players. Lol, no chance...

back in the days when I was younger I used to bash and dislike CS with a passion.

now that i grew up and that i get quite a large experience regarding fps games, I have to admit that CS:GO works insanely well for its genre.
Sure it's slower than quake and you can die in less than 0.5sec, but the overall gameplay just works well. It's actually a very tactical game with a lot of teamplay involved. It's also an old game remastered and brand new again thanks to valve :).

BUT

I'm still a quaker, and will probably always be a quaker deep in my heart (reflex = quake :p). Let's be honest, quake is just the pinnacle of fast-paced arena fps. Even tho quakelive has its flaws (can't deny that), I think enjoy it A LOT. Both for watching the pros play and for playing myself.
It's been now more than 10 years that I play quake, and 15+ years that I know quake. I will always remember the day when I first tried quake 3 arena at my cousin's home. Instantly felt in love with it, I don't know, then engine, the hitsounds, the musics, the bots, the players models, the weapons, everything is like an heroin rush :D. And when later I discovered the proper way to play this game and also the movements, I felt in love with it even more.

QUAKE 4 EVER!!!!

For everyone, this thread was NOT meant to be a CS:GO vs CS 1.6 thread, you can enjoy whichever, I don't think anyone fucking cares. We might aswell discuss QL vs QW, what's the point.

U sold ur soul to Valve and betrayed pure race of 1.6.
Feget!

How can I betray it if I never played it?! ( I haven't played more than 4 hours of cs 1.6 in my life, and that was at a nightly "lanparty" at my two brothers old workplace, we got our asses handed to us to some of their coworkers kid who was 12 or smt, just jumping in quakestyle with a shotgun wasnt the way to go it seems.

I would play GO if I wasn't poor... HOLD MEH, FUNNEH D:

I'LL HOLD YOU BROTHER, I'LL HOLD YOU.

Cause yeah, it's actually kind of fun.

I was watching on GOTV and the final had 400k people watching, are the 300 or so people on twitch counted separately? if so 700k wooo or even if not 400k wooo

no 700k. the 400k = twitch + gotv

Too bad the game is bad compared to 1.6 or even CSS.
Bullet spray patterns are not consistent, and the registry on the default ranked servers is absolutely terrible.
Also the people who defend cs go are not very bright... If you check their stats, their kdr is almost always negative.

Okay.

spray patterns are more constistent than in 1.6

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkwJENjU4y4

Very well done highlight video.

Though: Can't believe they didn't include fribergs delay on killing the bombcarrier on cobblestone vs C9, and the video could also be called "Anders: ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!"