I had the exact same, have you looked at your lagometer? if the green part is very jagged, there is a lot of fluctuations in your ping, making you really warpy for opponents, but not for you

I was in a game with this guy a couple days ago when he was kicked. I immediately called him out for his warp because it was so obnoxious. Definitely looked like wi-fi.

He was kicked after the match ended, not only due to the warp, but also because he contributed little to his team, so they were mad at him.

http://www.quakelive.com/#!profile/matches/BR...1fd90/ca/1

Brainie: Stop using wi-fi. We know it's Id Software's fault for making the netcode/engine this way, but that's not an excuse for using wi-fi. It's bad enough that some cable modem users are relatively unhittable due to microwarp, but that type of wi-fi warp is just awful and distracting.

If there is a lot of fluctuations in your ping then it makes it laggy for you as well...

not visually, maybe shaft, it also depends on how high it fluctuates

If you're used to a stable connection you will immediately notice ANY fluctuation. It just feels weird straight away for me.

warper!

ql is broke....but since its been broke for a long time... can it really be considered broken.. or is it a feature?

get off the wi-fi.

stop using your phone as a wi-fi hotspot

stop stealing your neighbors shitty wi-fi.

buy some wires.

I had a wire that crossed the whole appartement but then it broke because of my cat and my fucking mom decided to move back the router to where it was and to remove the cable.

So yes I'm on wifi.

I knew it!


I remember Fazz saying wi-fi feels better.


At least you're honest.

I've played one asshole who will play on his real connection until he realizes he sucks and can't fucking dodge....
Then he'll switch to wi-fi which he obviously doesn't need... just for the bs advantage.

This is why i am for de-evolving back to base q3 netcode.

You mean OSP/CPMA's netcode? As far as I know, base Q3's netcode can't handle packet loss and jitter either.

I mostly played beryllium mod which was server side only and all it did was open up more server cvars than baseq3 had... made baseq3 more customizable.

I never had below 70 ping. played on west coast and midwest servers in NA (70-120 ping) and would also play on finnish, swedish and english servers with 120-150 ping.

jitter was never a problem until cpma but it was related to timenudge and was just a visual biproduct.
(from my own experiences)

So i played mostly...

baseq3
Instaunlagged

and a lot of...

cpma
osp
alt fire
excessive

about a year ago i had a mini reunion with some old clan mates.
we played instaunlagged with rockets lol. its fun.

server was in missouri. i pling 70-90 there. hosted by my clan leader S4T4N (he pings 0)
my other clan mate Lucifer is from Venezuala i think...lol... he was pinging 180-250 and we didn't have trouble playing. He was a bit warpy/jittery but he had super high ping.

mouse is way smoother in q3 too.

Edit:

from my perspective the only stuff ql has over q3 is that its in one package and has a better server browser and the friends list....

everything in q3 is better especially smoothness/performance.

haha Minions clan?
:>

:D yessir

The sole advantage of older netcodes is that the game plays like shit for the warper as well. It's not like the netcodes were "better", imo it's just that they had some "incentive" for people to tweak their connections.

isn't a netcode with "good incentives" better than a netcode "which has insane bad incentives"?

That was kinda my point 2 ~ 4 years ago....

You're right about the netcode, but with warpers there's more to the story than just netcode. As I understand it, QL's engine is mostly dependent on the server to tell you the position of enemies. If the player is not sending packets for a few ms, the server doesn't update his position, and you see warp. Most modern games have a lot more client-side prediction of enemy location. QL obviously has some degree of prediction, but not when there is a total lack of movement information coming from the server.

your point is more about "which aspects should be regarded as netcode" rather than anything else tbh.

Theres not a very well defined line where netcode stops.
If you want to say that netcode starts where the sending of information is done and stops when it gets recieved... Then ALL games have the same netcode (or well almost all) namely TCP/IP.
If you also want to include what is send and how that information looks, theres also np. Just examine what the data-stream looks like.

However if you think about "I do this -> how will it look on the other pc" the line becomes very vague very fast. Because then not only is it relevant how the data looks, but also what exactly is contained at which time.

But the term itself is very vague. I've always used it to describe how "the game influences what I see relative to my opponent doing something, and how my opponent sees thing relative to what I do".

You raise an interesting point... It isn't clearly defined.

If I had to define it, I'd say netcode is what happens on the server -- i.e. their particular implementation of backwards reconciliation -- whereas things like client-side prediction fall outside the scope of 'netcode'. Either way, there's a combination of different things going on that contribute to an overall annoying set of behaviors.

I wouldn't know what "their particular implementation" would have anything to do with it.
The implementation seems to "work as it should" (at least on the server).... At least for us to check it would be impossible.
But seeing how "most of the hitdetection works fairly good" it's fair to assume that their implementation is bug free.
(there could ofcourse be some minor mistake... but I'd have to see the code to be sure)

Oh, I was just leaving open the possibility that there are different/better implementations out there.

Well... there are. I guess.
I mean I can write an implementation and tada theres a new one.

But the problem is not that is "is not working as intended", the problem is that it is.
The intention behind it contains a reasoning flaw. And the way of explaining used by most is much worse.

There are no optimal solutions for networking issues. There are simply choices.
What I mean by that is "someone must be screwed".

At the moment if you have good internet, you're screwed.
While also at this moment if you play on wifi you're guaranteed a win, unless you are remarkably shit at the game.

Another choice -> another outcome.
My choice would be to slightly favor the good internet, such that bad internet is still playable but you will have a better experience on good internet.

The client does stop trying to predict the entity's position past a certain threshold. This is, however, a problem every online multiplayer FPS has to deal with. If you don't know where the entity is, where do you draw it? This is pretty normal IMO. The problem isn't that, it's mostly the fact that you can end up with no new information from a certain player for too long. Obviously at the source it is a network problem, but the server should be able to say "Hey you haven't told me where you were these last N ms so I'm gonna decide by myself and you'll just have to deal with this decision. Sucks to be you." IMO. It is especially important to have a workaround for packetloss/jitter in QL because everything there goes so damn fast compared to the typical FPS (just reduce player speed in QL to a "normal" one without changing anything else and you'll fix 90% of the problem heh).

When I asked someone on QL staff about this, he said Quake is largely server authoritative for enemy position, but most modern games rely more on the client to smooth things out.

Yeah. It's not a big problem in most modern games because hit detection is also usually client authoritative. Which means : it doesn't matter if the client displays a wrong position... if the player aims there and shoot the wrong position, the shot will still be considered right. If you did the same with server authoritative hit detection like QL, you'd end up with less warping but a thousand times more through shots.

theres no game out there that works like that.
For virtually* every game which gets played the server determines the eventual result of the shot. Never the client.

* There have been games which did it otherwise... but they all failed so horribly. Perhaps some of them are still played, but none to my knowledge.

I could be wrong, but I don't think those modern games are using client-side hit detection, because that would be susceptible to hacking. Rather, I think what they're doing is using client authoritative enemy position, combined with backwards reconciliation on the server that takes into account how your client should have been predicting that enemy. I'm not 100% clear on all of this, though.

Client side hit detection doesn't necessarily mean the client can just say "I hit this guy". Saying "I shot there" and "this guy was there" is essentially the same thing. It also doesn't mean the server can't do basic verifications to see if the info given to it is believable. While it's true hat there have been games without any kind of security check (I remember years ago playing Warrock where cheaters could kill everyone in the map with a single grenade... that was probably a case like that), game devs aren't usually that stupid. You could call that an hybrid between client and server side hit detection if you want but it doesn't change the fact that what matters mostly in the case is what the client sees, not the server.

It's really questionable if you can call that client side hit detection tbh.
Because techincally it's not. Perhaps it is thought as such by some people though.

It's just a question of nomenclature at this point. Is it "Where was 1+2=3 calculated" or "Where do 1 and 2 come from?". When people say that many modern games (like BF4 for a famous example - I never played that though) use client side hit detection, it's the later.

I'll admit that I shouldn't have established a distinction in the discussion between "client authoritative enemy position" and "client authoritative hit detection". It's essentially the same thing for practical purposes.

Well most people are stupid and think they are expert.

So when they hear some term they don't understand they will often wrongfully apply that in the future. Even if it's only to "sound knowledgable".

The idea however that I should somehow be able to guess what the other person would be trying to say while using the wrong terms is preposterous.

That however others pick up this wrong term and that it spreads because it sounds interresting.... Well that's how eventually these strange views make it to dictionairies and after many years the people who eventually started all confusion will be right....

It's kinda like a war... The eventual victor of the war was right at the start.

Backwards reconciliation produces a result very similar to what "client side hit detection" would do. So, I think we're all on the same page there, in terms of the end result.

My point about client authoritative enemy position is mainly related to the question of warp. Backwards reconciliation feels like client hit detection when everyone is moving smoothly, but it breaks down when people are warping, because enemy position is server authoritative. As I understand it, there are limitations with the QL/Q3 engine that mean we're pretty much stuck with the current situation.

it's not a limitation of the engine, it's a limitation of reality.
You simply can't do this reliably because the problem is unreliability.... Someone has to experience a downside.

The comment was about the lack of client authoritative enemy position, that's all. As I understand it, that is a limitation of the engine.

As for your overall point -- I agree. Someone does have to experience the downside, and right now the overall result of the engine/netcode combination is that certain types of warpers experience an upside at everyone else's expense.

well it is true that the Q3 engine doesn't have different kinds of options regarding netcode/prediction/hit detection.

But then again it also didn't have unlagged... So if you'd put a bit of effort into it, you can make (alomost) any netcode work with quake.

However I would not see too much added value in the system of client authoritive enemy position.
It leads to even more asynchronisity which in general only makes the problem harder.
It does result in more clearness on where one should aim when the opponent warps. But it would just mean that you have to make your aim more jerky (whcih I instictively do but others might not, also it will remain much harder for the good connection to hit the bad one while not going the other way around.).

Also, extending clientside prediction so much indeed eliminates microwarp but also means you then have more players teleporting a large distance because said prediction was so far off.

Depends on what you look at to measure netcode efficiency.

Op is perfect example. If you want people like him (hence: bad connection guy) to buy your game, a netcode like QLs is obviously better.

Don't expect others to have the same motivations like you.

I disagree.
A lot of players can "feel something is wrong in quake" and then switch to other games where these things are less obvious.

Also as we've seen in the past 2 years more and more people compete by messing up their internet rather than actually achieving skill. Which then leads to others being forced to also mess up their internet.... It's kinda like doping in cycling. If QL will continue for several more years then it will be a lagfest rather than a fragfest.

Can you give examples of such Players?

I know a lot of 'good' players who I suspect are only considered good because of their wifi / torrents.

But It's very hard for me to know for sure who "does it on purpose" and who idoesn't. Because sometimes you just really can't control your internet.
It's interresting though how often I played non-official matches vs people who I had no problem hitting while as soon as it got official.... Well that's a whole other story.

Give me a name someone in 125 fps league. You make quite a claim here. If you can't back it up that 'we've seen in the past 2 years more and more people compete by messing up their internet rather than actually achieving skill' there are 2 major alternatives.

1. I'll believe weird because he's so smart guy and even though he won't back his claim up i trust him.

2. He overestimates the impact of the flawed netcode possibly due to the fact that he was never a top player.

given your scientific interest and therefore your will to prove that what you say is correct, it should be easy to name at least one player in 125fps shouldn't it? Players not known in 125 fps or other online leagues do not compete.

I think I've already stated that I don't want to publically accuse individuals. Imo there is no honor in doing so.

To come back to your question: There are at least 2 players still in the 125fps league (atm) who are there (imo) only due to their connection.
They are really not all that hard to spot. I'll leave the naming to you.


But I will give you a hint ;)
If you have pretty bad internet, then the huge difference comes from the fact that it gets significantly more difficult for your opponent to hit you while it doesn't matter all that much for yourself.
However in terms of control / positioning there are not that many changes.
So usually the "good player" will outplay the warper on things like control / positioning. Which will result in the good player having the bigger stack and, in general, easier shots.

When the easy shots get missed (due to warp) the warper moves in and kills the much better stacked better player.
This often gets refered to as clutch play or OMFG WHAT JUST HAPPENED? (stuff like that)

If you watch a vod and go: Hey that shouldn't happen, how good must this guy out of control be in order to pull that off?!?! Then you might wanna ask yourself, did I not see him warp because the stream is not 120fps?

p.s. sometimes a player on a large stack gets careless and makes a mistake, which often also results in clutch play / OMFG.
If however the opponent comes in on a lower stack from the place the 'good player' expects. And the 'good player' misses too many shots resulting in a reversal of roles...
And this is not a 1 time thing but is pretty structural... Then you should wonder ;)

I guess i know which players you mean but i disagree. These guys are really good on more stable connection aswell.

The thing is if i were to claim 'we've seen more and more cheaters in the past two years, who compete by wallhacking instead of skill (and the reason i stopped playing is that i will not hack)' you would expect me to back it up otherwise you wouldnt give me any credibility and think i am making excuses. This is the point. 4 years ago and today the warpers are still the exception in competitive play. There was no reason 4 years ago nor today to quit playing because of warpers. Therefore it is not considered the real reason you stopped but an excuse. All my opinion ofc. But i am offering you my viewpoint which might help you understand why people think you made excuses.

i might add that I havent been here that long but this is how it came across to me.

I didn't stop because of warp...
I stopped because of the way general lag + unlagged influences the game.
Even most of my "whine" was on netcode/unlagged, hardly ever about warp (although it is easier to type ingame... so I can imagine myself typing that a few times :D)

That I lost to warping people was imo acceptable (yet anoying) and "randomly shitty".
But when people base their gameplay on asynchronisity rather than base their gameplay on lan play.... Well then the fun for me is lost.
I got tremendously frustrated that people would make small infight/pre-fight decisions where on lan I'd be able to rape them for doing so, while online they worked out fine.
I said (to ID) in early 2010 that eventually everyone would start to play +forward LG. And that online these players would be unstoppable.
Then from late 2011 till mid 2013 strenx won almost all online cups. Then Evil came around with an even more agressive LG playstyle and he won some.
The only reason for that is that their playstyle fits the netcode.

Now ofcourse these are "very good players" but that's because the overall level in QL was so high that anyone who was not "very good" couldn't even win tournaments when they had aimbots + wallhacks installed. (People like Sombra, Zhu and zeroQL)
Evil eventually even became a much better overall player. But while playing online (and learning the game online) his gameplay made me want to puke.

Their styles are the things I described in 2010 as where QL would go if nothing changed...... Nothing changed... Their playstyles are now seen as valid.... While imo it's not quake anymore.

(With this I don't mean to say that strenx / evil are bad players. Perhaps on a different netcode they would play very different as well... Which, if they can pull that off, would make them much better alround gamers than myself.
I just don't like the game they are playing and have no motivation to ever get good at it. Imo monkeys can track opponents, they are just making a plan to track best)

edit: Evil and Strenx are not the players I referenced to in the above post. Although I don't really like Strenx' provider too much tbh ;). But it's not on the level that I would say that it is the reason behind his skill)

Ok so players adjust their playstyle to the netcode. You did not like the resulting online gameplay and left. That sounds a lot better and more reasonable than 'players intentionally fuck up their connections'. Don't you think?

You're entering an area where there are a lot of nuances.

The main problem I had was that lan-gameplay became too different from online-gameplay. And the gap was continuing to grow.

This eventually lead to me getting the feeling that any effort I would put into changing my game to better fit online play would only be decrimental to my lan play. And vice versa.
Now I considered my online results good enough to be invited for lan such that I could there then show what I was capable of..... But I never got invited to lans. Which is because everything was invite only (due to the stupidity of QL not having a lan-server).
So only the top8 - top16 of Q3 got to play... which imo was insanely unfair.
They then sometimes got joined by people who won tournaments (where I often got top4) and by people who joined famous teams and thus knew the right people.

I was better than most of them even online... While I felt that I was hindered a lot online due to my choice of not altering my gameplay.
But hey I never went to a large/international Q3 lan as duel player which doomed me to never going to a QL one either.

Untill ofcourse dh2012... Where I did okish... but it felt so strange to actually have the game respond as I had imagined it would for the past 3 years.... It's actually really hard to keep the same playstyle when suddenly you can punish the other guy for a stupid move and you can win RL vs LG. So I was very much searching for how to play.
Also on the 1st day I was tired as hell as I hardly slept the day before (due to the bus ride which arrived early that morning @ DH).

name the players

One of them is from spain

Main difference is that there both sides get "punished" while in QL ithe guy on good i-net experiences most of the downsides.

you could try one of these http://www.amazon.com/TP-LINK-TL-PA4010KIT-Po...amp;sr=1-1

ive never actually used one so idk how well they work...the could come with their own set of interference problems.. or just get a really long cable. wifi is always going to be a little unstable but your router might also just be shit or your internet connection sucks.

Switched from USB sticks and wireless connection to this thing, it works perfectly fine.
Using Devolo dLAN because it has a hot chick on the package.

I guess they can be ok, but when they say don't plug them into a gang socket they really mean it.

People in flats might have issues too.

Friend of mine in a flat on a BT fibre line had one running between two adjacent rooms his netgraph in QL was a horrific mess with very sharp high erratic peaks up to 110ms or so.

I threw in an ethernet cable for him to prove it wasn't the server or the game as he was complaining about it, and he got dead flat 10ms (git).

I can't remember what brand he had, but there was a dlink kit laying around here I tried, it was mostly fairly smooth but added 10ms to my ping.

another thing i've noticed is a lot of canadians warp.

maybe your guys 3rd world internet can't keep up. lol

I think the examples you're talking about might be guys who live in older high-rise or multi-unit buildings with bad cable connections, and they have some pretty annoying microwarp.

older highrise like this?

http://giaoduc.net.vn/Uploaded/nguyenhuyen/20...t.vn_1.jpg

More along the lines of commieblocks.

In soviet russia, building warps YOU.

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4110/slava2007...a79_XL.jpg

fallout

'but its smooth on my screen, therefor everything is fine'

yeah no.

emo warper playing on wifi asks what could be wrong

yes, what indeed...

Seriously, I'm sick of being kicked because apparently I'm warping or lagging. IT'S FUCKING ALRIGHT ON MY SCREEN.

QL alright :/

lol daviez

[img1]

is that your mum?

1737KB

no

calm down m80

Stop downloading porn when you play QL.

Absolutely no one cares that on your side your screen is smooth and the game flows well.

QL's backwards reconciliation hugely favours the player with the bad connections view. It smooths things out for you, but your position isn't smoothed out for others.

Callvote is a democratic vote, apparently the majority agreed that you were in fact too warpy for them to want you to stay.

does the game choose the warper... in the sense of over riding the backwards reconciliation vs the other players?

When warpy people come near me it's like their lag makes me lag...
i know you would say that's impossible... but it's what is happening.

I highly doubt by some jesus miracle that my connection happens to shit out every time a warpy mofo comes near me.

I've stopped playing because of this.... for real this time.

I've never experienced anything like this, and it's not really possible.

I think the only thing I can see that would feel like it is the sense of taking a lot of damage in what feels like too short space of time despite the fire rates being unchangeable, because the game is catching up on what happened.
But that goes for everyone it's not warp specific. It's the same thing as when you think you've been railed behind a corner, but with LG the damage started sooner than you're actually aware.

they aren't always firing. Just strafing by me does it.

It's like they move, and the server ignores my move, and uses their data to determine my position.

Definitely no, purely circumstantial problem on your side, or maybe even the server or route to it, but definitely not caused by them and passed on to you.

why does it happen every time?

my internet connection should be studied for its statistical improbability that it would lag out like clockwork every single time warpy assholes come near me in game.

they may find the answers to the universe at time warner cable.

The only thing I could think of is that since warpers update their info to the server less often, the information delta about this player between the last sent state and the last known state (which is then sent to you) could be bigger than for a normal player. Perhaps this, combined with some other factors, could be hitting a threshold for packet fragmentation (honestly I doubt it) or something which then affects you.
But yeah, I'm afraid you're just gonna have to deal with it.

['When warpy people come near me it's like their lag makes me lag.']

It doesn't sound like it should be possible, but I've experienced something similar. Sometimes when I'm LG'ing a warper, my aim will actually skip along with the warp of the other player. When I first saw this happening while spec'ing another player, I thought it looked like he was botting. I was pretty surprised when it happened to me. The phenomenon was new in the last few months, at least to me. I mentioned it to QL staff but they had no idea what could be going on... I haven't noticed it in the last few weeks at all.

Do you get that as well?? It's not just me?! :') I completely agree with you.

Whenever someone is close to me, like I'm circling them with my lg, my connection just freezes for like a millisecond and the lagometer spikes. It's really frustrating. I'm not sure if it's just warpy people though, it feels like it happens with everyone, but I could be wrong.

I usually get about 50 ping. When I was at a LAN and everyone I played had the same 7 ping, I never noticed it.

I've always wondered why, I wouldn't complain because people would think I'm just making excuses for losing a fight.

It's like the location of me and them somehow became out of sync

I died in less than half a second fully stacked 200/200 from someones lg....
No they werent cheating.

its the backwards reconslliation bs.
The server took their info instead of mine.
i didn't even see the guy but was taking damage (was right in front of me).
Literally didn't see him till i was dead.

So he gets full info from the server.... i get only the end of the battles worth of packets.
Theres no way to dodge or counter anything.

Or what about actually being physically moved in game.... go left... get lag.. no movement.. but now you're back to your original position before you dodged left.... and have taken damage... all of wich took place in packets i haven't received i'm guessing. So when this bs happens i'm unable to move or aim.

It's taking the community about 3 ~ 5 years.... but it seems like slowly but surely everyone is starting to agree with me....

Finaly.

Agreed for a while. Event touted your rep to Reflex devs. Please help them with their netcode == masterrace!

Are you sure that you replied to the right person here?

Playing on wi-fi is like masturbating to male k-pop band.
They all look like cute grillz but you know it's wrong.

I feel for you. So many retards kicking players for the wrong reasons was it for being too noob or slightly laggy.

Lol I accidently [+]'d on my phone even though I don't agree :D if someone warps a lot and the majority votes for kicking then that's completely fair to me.

Nobody knows how bad his lag objectively is, but from what I've seen people get kicked for no real reason :< Either way, imagine you had a bad connection but still desperately wanted to play but can't because you get kicked. And you couldn't help it. Would suck wouldn't it!

but ... the elo!

it would suck, but that's how the things are, that everyone is responsible for his own shit.

Then you buy pro and only play on your own server instead of ruining the game on every other server.

and another dipshit admin is born.

#poland

He / she should know it objectively while checking on his / her lagometer.

Or them thinking someone is cheating when in fact they're not.

You know.

He's way beyond 'slightly' laggy.

He'll jump 3 players models at time quite frequently.

to wifi or not to wifi?
That's the question.

That's alot of butthurt

download "inSSIDer" and look if you can improve your connection by moving the antenna to a better position, or if using a different wlan-channel helps.

Better plan, save up some money, pay a guy to properly run a cable through the walls so it's out of the way.

better plan, run the cable yourself.
i mean how hard can it be?

Hard to the point the cable breaks when you stick it across a corner... I broke it the first time when I ran it so when I replaced it I just let it be on the floor in a straight line. :/

I have no idea what you're trying to do. Get a 5 or 10m ethernet cable, they're really not that expensive. Then just run it along the walls with some cable hook tack thingies. Or like yakumo said, get someone to put them through the walls.

Seriously, solve the problem yourself don't waste everyone's life listening to your butthurt.

best plan is dlan. i got two adadpters for 25euro, works very good.

"Better than any Wi-Fi repeater: devolo uses the household electrical wiring for the connection. This ensures that the full bandwidth is available at any power socket - quite unlike a Wi-Fi repeater."

That's a good idea, didn't know those existed. Reminds me of AM crystal radio kits you connect to pipes in your house for an antenna.

http://www.devolo.com/en/Products/dLAN-500-WiFi

Running data along with power is bush league.......

If you are on wifi and you no longer wish to lag.

Download program called WLAN optimizer.

Set config to:

Autoconfig ON
Background Scan OFF
Streaming Mode ON

No more warpy.

Thanks I'll try that!

Do you know by any chance how to restraint someone's use of bandwith on the network as well? I find my mom is using too much of it (whether it's for Skype, youtube or movies...) and sometimes it happens when I'm playing.

My router is a D-LINK DIR-825

I heard about QOS Engine but I don't know how to set that up :/ .

Netlimiter on her end, maybe

http://192.168.0.1/


use "admin" as the username, and "" as the password (leave the field blank)

should get you to your router settings.

I know that. What I mean is I don't know how to use QOS.

me either lol

my router had everything built in. i could allocate bandwidth per PC.

so i dunno lol

I find my mom is using too much of it (whether it's for Skype, youtube or movies...)

That might be the issue. When I was living with my parents. It was literally impossible for me to play QL without any warp when they were using Skype, youtube, downloading any files or even browsing the Internet because I would get little spikes when a website would load for them.

I had to wait until they weren't using the Internet, I felt guilty of having that unfair advantage. Maybe you should do the same?

i would even ban every fucking laggin mofo

You don't want to hear it, but you warp horribly badly dude. I ain't hating. I wouldn't kick you. But damn, you warp bad. As bad as it can get.

I've seen some bad warps. If it's as bad as the worst that I've seen. I don't blame anyone for kicking him.

after this thread you are going to be kicked more often

lol, OP is so bad this didn't deserve any proper replies
but yes, what yakumo said

Sounds like YOU have connection issues, and those are YOURS to deal with, so if you want to not care about what people think (in this case they think you shouldn't play in their games), you should consider dealing with the problem rather than ranting like a little child. Although I think maybe you're pretty young, so :/

Laggers deserve to be banned, you'll get no sympathy from me.

lolol wat

Guy wants people to stfu about his lag after the same people who allegedly griped about his lag solved the problem by vote kicking him.

Sir, this the part where you stfu about your lag and fix your connection.

Or start your own server called "fragging laggers - hpbs only"

lol @ how mad 3rd worlders get

call 911...oh..w8

BUY DECENT ISP ALREADY