ESR - TZAC ANTICHEAT for QL?

<< Comment #1 @ 20:48 CDT, 21 August 2011 >>

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id preffer anticheat similar to r1chs... no lags, simple to install and above all works!!

http://www.r1ch.net/stuff/r1q2/

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<< Comment #26 @ 09:18 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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ins ' - Reply to #1

doesn't work

<< Comment #28 @ 09:48 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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Eviili - Reply to #26

last time I talked to stric this wasnt broke yet, like nocheat was.. tho its true this was years ago.

<< Comment #29 @ 10:29 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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ins ' - Reply to #28

well it's not really hard to bypass, there's only one way to make it fully work, and it's illegal, so i dno.. :f

<< Comment #71 @ 16:07 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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Eviili - Reply to #29

hmm I though it was perfect never had any problems with it as it actually detected gl_driver.The only problem was you could benefit out of it only on servers that forced this module, which made it useless in the end as entire .fi community refused to implement this on their servers (guess why? :D).However im open to any good AC that doesent affect my game or lag etc., dont care what it is as long as it works!

<< Comment #2 @ 21:09 CDT, 21 August 2011 >>

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Slajer

It's called tzac now, meaning it's not a "paid anticheat" anymore since they broke off with speedlink.

Also i wouldn't touch an anticheat made by the same guy that made and sold QL bots and wallhacks just 2 years ago.

Heh i see esdf was the one that didn't exactly agree with me on that: Jaz cheating post

Edited by Slajer at 21:10 CDT, 21 August 2011

<< Comment #13 @ 05:05 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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Raist - Reply to #2

who better to make an anti cheat then someone who coded them though?

ppl in corporations hire alot of ppl for security who used to be hackers themselves, examples are out there.

<< Comment #15 @ 05:52 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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r1ddler - Reply to #13

ONCE A CHEATER ALWAYS A CHEATER

BAN HIM FROM THE INTERNETS

DELETE HIS ESREALITY ACCOUNT

TREAT ALL CHEATERS THE SAME-WITH STONES

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etc. :)

<< Comment #16 @ 05:59 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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retire - Reply to #13

yeah i think the term is "white-hats"

<< Comment #17 @ 06:46 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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T1E ' - Reply to #13

using "hackers" in this case is a bit counterintuitive imho

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<< Comment #32 @ 11:05 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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Slajer - Reply to #13

Yeah well i still stand by my statement:

By making cheats for profit he already showed that he has no moral reservations to begin with.
I don't doubt his skill as a programmer for anti cheat, but i'm pretty sure there are other experts on that area that don't have a broken moral kompas.

Besides, ex-hackers being hired by companies were convicted and served some form of sentence for their crimes while creators of cheats never really pay their dues.

Wouldn't you agree that those that create cheats be accountable the same way as those who use them?

<< Comment #36 @ 11:27 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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kg - Reply to #32

Wouldn't you agree that those that create cheats be accountable the same way as those who use them?

Punishing people for ideas (one could argue that source code is merely that) is a very dangerous precedent.

<< Comment #41 @ 12:01 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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Slajer - Reply to #36

It's an end product that is illegal as noted in games licence agreement.

One could argue that the same thing would then go for making home made bombs/drugs or merely creating plans for it as it's just an idea that shouldn't be punished?

<< Comment #55 @ 13:57 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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kg - Reply to #41

I don't see how the game's license is legally binding.

One could argue that the same thing would then go for making home made bombs/drugs or merely creating plans for it as it's just an idea that shouldn't be punished?

That depends whether you believe in the freedom of the individual.

<< Comment #263 @ 05:50 CDT, 4 June 2012 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #55

what he is saying is that making bombs at home for experimental purposes might put other people's safe in danger, but then again, created cheats are used on other people as well, with visible different effects

old subject, doh

<< Comment #47 @ 12:22 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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xou - Reply to #2

"anticheat made by the same guy that made and sold QL bots and wallhacks just 2 years ago"

got more infos about that?

<< Comment #52 @ 12:47 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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Slajer - Reply to #47

google "chaplja quakelive" i'm sure you'll find interesting stuff.
I guess someone offered him money to make a cheat for quakelive.

He was a well known ET cheat maker for many years... ET was also the first community that used SLAC (tzac). Altho the thought behind that was since he was being payed by speedlink he wouldn't create cheats anymore or abuse his AC in anyway.. well he is not under a contract anymore...

<< Comment #173 @ 12:18 CDT, 25 August 2011 >>

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Pawulon - Reply to #52

Using his anticheat in QL would just make him sure, that he would be the only one cheat-maker in the "market" and ~~people~~ cheaters could buy only his cheats.

<< Comment #118 @ 15:27 CDT, 23 August 2011 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #2

Also i wouldn't touch an anticheat made by the same guy that made and sold QL bots and wallhacks just 2 years ago.

Why not? Can you give some examples of issues that can arise from that?

Edited by p4r4 at 15:28 CDT, 23 August 2011

<< Comment #3 @ 01:21 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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ax!on

I was waiting for someone to do that poll. I also talked to khaplja. He only needs an offical statement from the leagues. He won't do this program if it's not used. Sounds reasonable for me.
If in these times someone really votes no, he has to explain himself. There won't be any lags. I have used programs like this before, you won't notice whether it's on or off.
Sports don't work without drug control, QL doesn't work without anti-cheat.

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<< Comment #124 @ 19:40 CDT, 23 August 2011 >>

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stuntz - Reply to #3

where can i get a hold with him? This could be nice for TF2 :D

<< Comment #230 @ 03:42 CDT, 5 September 2011 >>

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ax!on - Reply to #124

find him in #tzac @ qnet

<< Comment #241 @ 23:32 CDT, 7 September 2011 >>

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stuntz - Reply to #230

thx!

<< Comment #199 @ 09:30 CDT, 30 August 2011 >>

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PerpetualWar - Reply to #3

I talked to him about this, but he told me he needs syncerror's permission as he need to have insight into code or smth like that. When I asked him is there another way to do it, he denied.

So basically it's not only leagues permission, he needs more than that.

At least how he explained it to me.

<< Comment #231 @ 03:49 CDT, 5 September 2011 >>

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ax!on - Reply to #199

yeah, that's true. he had the idea to implement his tzac directly into ql, which would have allowed him some possiblities to make it even more secure.
syncerror decided, not to grant him that permission. therefor he will make an anti cheat with random screenshots and generic checks for ql, which should be enough to prevent most of the cheating.
once it is out and running, we need the help of the admins to get it into the leagues.

<< Comment #4 @ 01:33 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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raw

No harm in testing it at the very least?

<< Comment #6 @ 02:26 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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ax!on - Reply to #4

Ofc, there should be test cups. And I don't expect everything to work flawlessly at the beginning because it's a new development for ql. But anyhow, this is the way to go.

<< Comment #7 @ 02:44 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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raw - Reply to #6

I think so too, if they wanted to get something set up i'd be happy to get ek in to some pcw's with it to test.

<< Comment #5 @ 02:20 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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c1

people still play ql?

<< Comment #61 @ 14:57 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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Arkl1te - Reply to #5

Maybe you should consult www.quakelive.com for active players on the world :P

<< Comment #82 @ 18:57 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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Gokusan - Reply to #5

Made me giggle

<< Comment #93 @ 06:16 CDT, 23 August 2011 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #5

I can see those bitter cpma tears from here.

<< Comment #8 @ 03:15 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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retire

Anything is better than nothing?

<< Comment #65 @ 15:40 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #8

I'm sure you speak only for yourself, because I'd rather play without PunkBuster vs cheaters than deal with PunkBuster.

<< Comment #9 @ 03:47 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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nvc

played on ET match with SLAC, worked well, i vote yes.

<< Comment #38 @ 11:43 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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Owzo - Reply to #9

You lying fucker! :D

<< Comment #10 @ 04:28 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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TronicGgG '

only with proper linux (and os x) support and it only supports win atm, thus no

it's at least a bit disturbing that the creator of this anti-cheat also created cheats like Slajer said

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<< Comment #11 @ 04:31 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #10

thats actually an advantage, because if he was making/is making cheats, he know how to detect them better than anyone else

<< Comment #12 @ 04:34 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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Six16 - Reply to #10

1) Create anti cheat program
2) Create new cheat
3) Sell for $99
4) PROFIT!

Edited by Six16 at 04:36 CDT, 22 August 2011

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<< Comment #33 @ 11:17 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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Slajer - Reply to #12

He made the cheat first tho.

My guess is wallhacks being used in QL actually use the code he wrote 2 years ago.

Seems kind of ironic that people would want his help and donate money to detect his own work. Really sends out a great message for future cheat creators.

<< Comment #35 @ 11:25 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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kg - Reply to #33

Cheats will be present. The only thing you can do is give some incentive for hack-makers to go white-hat.

<< Comment #236 @ 13:23 CDT, 7 September 2011 >>

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donka ' - Reply to #12

1. Create cheat
2. Create anticheat to kill competition
3. ???
4. Monopoly

<< Comment #18 @ 07:21 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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zealot - Reply to #10

oh :( didn't know about missing mac/linux support, that does suck.

that changed my vote :/

Edited by zealot at 07:21 CDT, 22 August 2011

<< Comment #14 @ 05:07 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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Raist

its better then nothing. so yes

and no, i am not comparing this to pb because that was essentially "nothing" too. You can't expect an anti cheat to succeed when it is trying to keep up in 100 games simultaniously with a team of.. 5?

<< Comment #67 @ 15:44 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #14

PunkBuster was so much "nothing" that I spent months unable to fix the game, and had to regularly go though the obnoxious uninstall/clean/install process, not to mention the lags. When was the last time you saw a cheater and was negatively effected by their presence, anyway? And I mean, not a forum.
Over many years of quake, I've played versus just a few, and I just found it to be good aim practice. Other times, whether I lost, or won I couldn't care less if the guy was cheating, I was either enjoying the game or not, all based on my own ability to play. So I really don't understand this sudden panic.

Edited by Demiurge at 15:48 CDT, 22 August 2011

<< Comment #76 @ 17:26 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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Raist - Reply to #67

me neither, although i always thought different when a cheater played in a tourney.

and yeah, pb was just extremely bad at it's job, and also fucked things up majorly with the games playability.

<< Comment #19 @ 08:05 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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Martel

wheres the donations button!

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Tayski - Reply to #19

http://tz-ac.com/donate.php

<< Comment #21 @ 08:29 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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raw - Reply to #20

lol i wonder if he dontates!

Edited by raw at 08:30 CDT, 22 August 2011

<< Comment #22 @ 08:29 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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raw

4 people voted no, i wonder who those 4 were ha ;-)

<< Comment #23 @ 08:33 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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Kyto - Reply to #22

http://www.esreality.com/?a=votes&post_id=2138265

<< Comment #25 @ 08:39 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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raw - Reply to #23

Yeah i know, i was just loling at 4 no votes and 4 quite semi-known people being banned in the last 12 months :-P i shouldnt laugh at my own jokes i guess ;)

<< Comment #53 @ 12:48 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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zealot - Reply to #25

no linux/mac support would mean no quake for me :C

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hitsu - Reply to #53

not exactly... theres plenty of ppl playing ET on linux... tzac is pure client side, and as long as u can provide proof ur using linux any league will allow you

<< Comment #81 @ 18:57 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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Gokusan - Reply to #58

Actually it's not pure client side, at least not on ET.
There is a server add-on: http://tz-ac.com/topic.php?id=7

<< Comment #83 @ 20:30 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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fuzz - Reply to #81

I think thats only to make sure that everyone on server uses it.

<< Comment #104 @ 08:49 CDT, 23 August 2011 >>

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Gokusan - Reply to #83

Yea, and most of the people add it on their server, don't know how it's happening on other games.

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hitsu - Reply to #81

what fuzz said...

<< Comment #24 @ 08:36 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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DamianLillard

Answered no. The doubledigit-page sticky thread about pb problems in QL forums, which no-one of PB staff or ID really gave working solutions, is still too fresh image in memory. I had to quit playing for over a year because of a supposed antcheat program, which only seemed to kick legit players, not disable cheating and seemed to have zero technical support.

<< Comment #69 @ 15:45 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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amOKchen - Reply to #24

WARDEN IS ONLINE

<< Comment #27 @ 09:31 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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fuzz

Been using it in ET for a while, had no problems ingame whatsoever.

<< Comment #30 @ 10:39 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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maza

its ztac http://tz-ac.com/index.php

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xou - Reply to #30

http://tz-ac.com/images/homepage01.jpg

ok sherlock

<< Comment #49 @ 12:39 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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maza - Reply to #31

oh please..

<< Comment #34 @ 11:21 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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Slajer

If this actually goes thru and leagues adopt TZAC, i'm pretty sure i'll be cancelling my QL subscription.
No reason for having premium/pro for pub play only.

<< Comment #40 @ 11:55 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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ax!on - Reply to #34

let me fix that for you:

If this actually goes thru and leagues adopt TZAC, i'm pretty sure i'll be renewing my QL subscription.
No reason for having premium/pro without anti-cheat.

Edited by ax!on at 11:56 CDT, 22 August 2011

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Slajer - Reply to #40

I agree it's not ideal to have a game without any form of anticheat for competitive gameplay, but at the same time, i find it very wrong to support an ex cheat creator and his product.

<< Comment #57 @ 14:01 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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kg - Reply to #43

So I gather you wouldn't buy a flawless anticheat from Hitler? :x

<< Comment #227 @ 21:02 CDT, 3 September 2011 >>

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doped - Reply to #57

if he wasn't creating cheats before, then i see no harm in that?

<< Comment #51 @ 12:46 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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analyzer - Reply to #40

wrong, premium/pro account allows to cheat on premium/pro content, that is a must.

<< Comment #42 @ 12:05 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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InDepther - Reply to #34

or keep prem/pro and play without cheats?

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<< Comment #44 @ 12:09 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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Slajer - Reply to #42

or keep prem/pro and play without cheats?

What do you mean?

<< Comment #172 @ 12:18 CDT, 25 August 2011 >>

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Pawulon - Reply to #42

Probably that there's less premium players cheating because they are afraid they can lost their (paid) account.

<< Comment #37 @ 11:42 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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Owzo

100% go with it, GL Chaplja!

<< Comment #39 @ 11:51 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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Doomsd4y

100% Yes!

<< Comment #46 @ 12:13 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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Arkl1te

Fuck the old PunkBuster... Hell yeah!

<< Comment #45 @ 12:13 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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DoomLoco

YeaH

<< Comment #48 @ 12:22 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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esdf '

ty for posting & editing xou

<< Comment #50 @ 12:43 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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analyzer

I think the most important part is that the software must be reliable (not like pb), and it must not destroy gaming experience (not like pb)...

Edit: oh and allow immediate ban through QL for all related accounts :)

Edited by analyzer at 12:45 CDT, 22 August 2011

<< Comment #54 @ 13:50 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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sk1nz

pro: can detect all hax using his source

con: he could make a new undetectable hax and sell that privately, or whatever

50/50 here tbh

<< Comment #56 @ 14:00 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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kg - Reply to #54

There will be private hacks anyways.

<< Comment #59 @ 14:45 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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sk1nz - Reply to #56

true i guess, fair point

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r1ddler - Reply to #56

That sounds odd coming from you :)

I thought youd say that not all people would do the same in the given situation and you cant generalize(absolute power corroputs completely). It takes a certain type of person to sell cheats for a game
he supposedly wants to helpout(get ridd of cheaters,but only monoplizing the cheat distrobution and thus making more money)

<< Comment #62 @ 15:03 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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kg - Reply to #60

I don't need to get into the philosophy if practically the cons are irrelevant.

<< Comment #63 @ 15:22 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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r1ddler - Reply to #62

are they?

Id like to think its better to find an anti-cheat program whos developer
isnt actively selling hax

<< Comment #64 @ 15:35 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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kg - Reply to #63

Is he actively selling hacks?

If he is, do you think the number of cheat in the scene will grow comparing to what we have now?

<< Comment #66 @ 15:41 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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ffx - Reply to #63

Most cheat and anticheat coders are in touch with each other and talk about their work ;)

<< Comment #77 @ 17:26 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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analyzer - Reply to #56

It will still ban several peeps using them to annoy everyone...

Perhaps some accounts will get a ban while testing anti detection routines... (wont help a fast coding)

Around 10% will use new/not detected hax, but still theres a chance that it will be noticed soon and then there is a risk to get a public ban (dont know if it is worth a public ban)

<< Comment #127 @ 03:25 CDT, 24 August 2011 >>

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dynodeath - Reply to #54

I think the Con's would be negated by the effectiveness of the anticheat program.

One or the other won't work, and woud be canned...

Does feel a little strange that a cheat developer is runnig it, but hey, well done for spotting / creating!! the business opportunity.

<< Comment #68 @ 15:45 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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amOKchen

only thing that scares me is that the name sounds polish, it will steal my cdkey.

but i voted yes.

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annihiluzz - Reply to #68

wow, u know alot about polish names, do u?

<< Comment #70 @ 16:02 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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Demiurge '

This is a bit of a silly poll. You might as well ask 'would you like cheaters to magically disappear?" No one is going to take the time to actually consider what this particular anti-cheat does, who's behind it, and what's it really going to cost.

Edited by Demiurge at 16:03 CDT, 22 August 2011

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son1dow - Reply to #70

People will read posts. If you write an analysis, they will read yours.

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kg - Reply to #70

this

<< Comment #78 @ 17:36 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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hitsu - Reply to #70

this anticheat is already being used in ET&CoD4, creator is ex cheat maker, he was doing it because he got paid 1k euros, now the sponsoring stopped, but as hes future coder, hes still working on it, prolly gonna use it in his CV... as for how it works: ask chaplja himself

moar questions?

<< Comment #79 @ 18:15 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #78

Yeah, how exactly is it going to work with QuakeLive? How is the effective rate and usability for the games it's already been tried with? Is the source going to be vetted by an independent party (id) in the likelihood of backdoors, etc? What is the difference between this and PB? Many questions.

<< Comment #80 @ 18:57 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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Gokusan - Reply to #79

#tzac
Feel free to idle and ask every question you desire. I'm sure they'll get answered. ;)

<< Comment #73 @ 16:30 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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ia

Don't trust the author.

<< Comment #74 @ 16:40 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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InDepther

I never cared about cheaters, but the thing has gone out of proportion lately. I�ve got the feeling that I play cheators daily. Joltiness is the latest one, a Portuguese wallhacker. Should I send the demo somewhere?

<< Comment #84 @ 21:17 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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Gokusan

100% definitely.
Being a former ET player, I can tell you guys TZAC works perfectly. And due to the silent detection system, more people are some kind of "afraid" to cheat because they're not sure if their cheat will be detected..

Basically, TZAC diminished a HUGE amount of cheaters on Enemy Territory and probably on CoD4 as well.

<< Comment #97 @ 08:07 CDT, 23 August 2011 >>

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Slajer - Reply to #84

I played ET for quite a few years and i remember that it was pretty much impossible to find a prac with a clan that didn't have at least one player marked as cheater on yawn (that was some site that kept records of IP's, guids,.. for those that don't know).

Basically more than half of ET community tried some form of cheat ( i'm also mixing texure size tweaking to see thru bushes in the same category).

Perhaps there are less active cheaters now, but all those ex-cheaters still remain. They're still cheaters from my stand point tho. But apparently it's "all good" if TZAC discurages them from cheating again..

I don't know what exactly is going on with ET these days, all i see are a bunch of columns on crossifre of everyone complaining how ET is dead or dying.. i guess something hasn't really worked out so well after all.

<< Comment #105 @ 08:50 CDT, 23 August 2011 >>

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Gokusan - Reply to #97

ClanBase has been banning respectively for 3 months, 6 months then only permanently. So yes, cheaters/ex-cheaters are still around, but as you can see, chaplja/Tomislav is doing his best:
http://tz-ac.com/cheaters.php

And as we all know, ET is a very old game, it's competitive community is not big at all, but we are all working together to get it alive again, trying to get "newbies" players from other mods, trying to make it easier for them to understand the game (video tutorials, etc..)
The actual drama is about the played format.
It has been changed from 6on6 to 5on5 like 1,5(?) year ago, and it's only now that the community is revolting, badly wanting 6on6 back.

<< Comment #85 @ 21:27 CDT, 22 August 2011 >>

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j0sh_

so what part of this is by id saying they would actually use it?

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xou - Reply to #85

none, zero, nada...

you're out of topic here

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j0sh_ - Reply to #86

thanks just making sure.

Edit: Even though i have no experience with it, I'd use it just to have an AC in QL.

Edited by j0sh_ at 03:51 CDT, 23 August 2011

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miNd

Why not, playing myself ET competive and tzac works more than well, never have had a single problem with it and also havent played versus a cheater for ages.

Also i find it hilarious why does it matter that the coder of it is ex-cheatcoder/cheater? It's not like u find any anticheat coder without cheat making history/cheating, and thats pretty much a fact.

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Slajer - Reply to #87

Making something in a closed environment to check detection methods and creating cheats to sell for profit is entirely different thing.

Kind of makes him high risk of turning sides.. again. That would be a fact based on previous experiences.

Edited by Slajer at 10:25 CDT, 23 August 2011

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kg - Reply to #98

Is it going to be worse than it is now even if he does sell cheats?

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Slajer - Reply to #99

I see you're really fishing for my answer: it's about moral dilema yes.

Can you really trust a person like that?
I'm pretty sure no one wants an ex-cheater.. let's say Jaz to return and be admin for some random CTF league.
So why should this be any different?

And yes it could be worse.. not sure he would ban his own customers now would he :)
In fact he basically has the power to fabricate a false proof if he really wanted to (techincally speaking).

Anyway, as i said, it's about moral dilema.. if 95% of players don't have a problem with that it's their choice.
I personally can't make myself to be a part of that and would rather part ways with community that wants to.

Edited by Slajer at 11:01 CDT, 23 August 2011

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kg - Reply to #111

Can you really trust a person like that?
I'm pretty sure no one wants an ex-cheater.. let's say Jaz to return and be admin for some random CTF league.
So why should this be any different?

I don't think you can trust anybody. You just have to weight the possible outcomes and decide based on that.

And yes it could be worse.. not sure he would ban his own customers now would he :)

What I meant was: would there be more cheats than there are now?

In fact he basically has the power to fabricate a false proof if he really wanted to (techincally speaking).

I think that would be quite hard to do. Still, yes, it would be nice for somebody else to screen the source code.

I personally can't make myself to be a part of that and would rather part ways with community that wants to.

Well, I try to stray from such moral absolutism. What you have to keep in mind is that there always will be hack makers and supporting a person who did that once doesn't make you part of the problem.

Edited by kg at 12:10 CDT, 23 August 2011

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Slajer - Reply to #113

What I meant was: would there be more cheats than there are now?

Well if there is one more developer working on them i believe that math is for once on my side.
current_number_of_cheats + 1 is more than current_number_of_cheats

I think that would be quite hard to do. Still, yes, it would be nice for somebody else to screen the source code

I didn't mean screenshots, the info TZAC client sends to server in a form of (insert random encoding) strings that could be altered on server side later.

What you have to keep in mind is that there always will be hack makers and supporting a person who did that once doesn't make you part of the problem.

It sends a message that people can do bad things and later profit from it. Which sort of does make you part of the problem and part of the vicious circle.

Edited by Slajer at 14:49 CDT, 23 August 2011

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kg - Reply to #115

What about current_number_of_cheats + 1 - number_of_cheats_prevented_by_TZAC?

Is there any serverside part to TZAC?

Clearly, employing a former robber makes you part of the problem of burglaries.

Edited by kg at 14:52 CDT, 23 August 2011

<< Comment #88 @ 02:00 CDT, 23 August 2011 >>

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Torzelan '

torz voted: sure why not try if it doesn't have any obvious major downsides

<< Comment #91 @ 05:22 CDT, 23 August 2011 >>

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Anonymous (188.67.44.189) - Reply to #88

no linux support is pretty much a downside but again, then its down to leagues if they want to go that way

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esdf ' - Reply to #91

hopefully something could be made to support linux as well.

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wolf1e - Reply to #91

are there cheats for linux anyway?
i don't remember having problems with PB on linux, probably was just a null implementation..

Edited by wolf1e at 07:57 CDT, 23 August 2011

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Gokusan - Reply to #91

23:37 Goku � what about the linux client btw? :P
23:37 khaplja � like i said before, not possible atm
23:37 khaplja � big games are priority atm
23:38 khaplja � i have not been getting paid for way too long and i can only get some proper revenue with larger userbase

This was about ET, but now as the AC is getting popular in other games (CoD4, soon CoD2 and CS, and probably Quake Live as well), I think he MUST do a linux client if he doesn't want to fuckup communities.

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tourist - Reply to #91

who gives a flying shit about linux?

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zealot - Reply to #121

glad you're asking, me.

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kg - Reply to #134

Just get a winxp for games. :<

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zealot - Reply to #145

for a number of reasons that isn't practical for me.

namely, full disk encryption in itself would make a dual boot pretty annoying and honestly, as if i would like to switch os'es for playing a game of quake. so not going to happen (anymore) :p

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kg - Reply to #148

Why do you need full disk encryption? Are you a terrorist? ;p

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zealot - Reply to #149

of course not, but i kinda doubt i'm the one deciding here (:

Edited by zealot at 05:53 CDT, 25 August 2011

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kg - Reply to #150

True. Still, if you're in the situation that you need full disc encryption, I think you're fucked anyways.

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zealot - Reply to #154

hm, true, but what can you do.

still, where i live you can not be forced to give out encryption keys, contrary to what happens in the .uk for example (an additional 2 years sentence, independent of the crime or if you're found guilty or not).

Edited by zealot at 05:53 CDT, 25 August 2011

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wolf1e - Reply to #145

linux client much more efficient (maps loads faster than any win user), no mouse bugs, and ofc the warm fuzzy feeling you're running on an open source os :3
besides QL is the only game worth playing and runs fine on linux

Edited by wolf1e at 07:11 CDT, 25 August 2011

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<< Comment #142 @ 07:19 CDT, 24 August 2011 >>

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wolf1e - Reply to #121

me too ^^

<< Comment #157 @ 09:28 CDT, 24 August 2011 >>

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tourist - Reply to #142

ok, so that's 2 people so far. keep going.

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Yes: 95% (153)
No: 5% (8)

Speaks for itself.
I'm not really fond of him making cheats prior to creating this, just makes it looks fishy and untrustworthy.

Still, better than nothing I guess, at least it could ban obvious 90% LGers to save id's time.

<< Comment #95 @ 06:35 CDT, 23 August 2011 >>

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zealot - Reply to #94

id must have some sort of alert system regarding very high accuracy already, i remember that was how demon got banned in the beginning of ql.

for various reasons, including this incident, i don't think bans should be given out for acc's alone.

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dynodeath - Reply to #95

Are you saying big brother is watching us at all times?

<< Comment #133 @ 04:38 CDT, 24 August 2011 >>

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zealot - Reply to #128

all times, bro.

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chubz - Reply to #133

but not if you encripted your hard disk :)

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kg - Reply to #197

in that case you get beaten with a rubber hose first :<

<< Comment #100 @ 08:33 CDT, 23 August 2011 >>

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Kyto

Does this take screenshots and encrypt them or does it upload them straight away? I don't think people want their upstream suffering midgame.

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hitsu - Reply to #100

Its uploaded instsntly, but the img size was tested in ET and upload doesnt cause any problems

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maza - Reply to #100

it doesnt upload screenshots midgame but during mapchanges, etc

<< Comment #101 @ 08:40 CDT, 23 August 2011 >>

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ouze

even stopped my premium acc until they introduce a anticheat programm. sick of all these cheaters. there are at least 2 guys every week i find on public servers and report them to QL staff and they are not willing to introduce a fucking anticheat programm - sad and ridiculous

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ax!on - Reply to #101

same here. when I quit my acc, the reason i entered was the lack of an anti cheat program.

Edited by ax!on at 10:00 CDT, 23 August 2011

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xou - Reply to #107

btw... it seems ESL Wire can't handle browser games, it needs a more precise program to track.

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hitsu

Its uploaded instsntly, but the img size was tested in ET and upload doesnt cause any problems

<< Comment #106 @ 08:58 CDT, 23 August 2011 >>

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cha0z_

I voted yes, but for me the anticheat must be integrated in ql, so all are forced to use it.

<< Comment #108 @ 09:59 CDT, 23 August 2011 >>

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ax!on - Reply to #106

An anti cheat integrated in ql would be the ideal solution of course. But look how long we have tried. Syncerror and sponge are quite available in #quakelive but you won't get a response if you they hear the word "anti cheat". There are 1000 threads and posts on the offical ql forums about that. But we don't even get a statement that says no. Tbh I already gave up on ID doing something useful in this issue.
That's why we take it in our own hands now. At least we are quite save from cheaters in offical games then.

Edited by ax!on at 10:01 CDT, 23 August 2011

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Kyto - Reply to #108

Sponge is just a webdev don't harass him. :<

<< Comment #114 @ 14:21 CDT, 23 August 2011 >>

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Rabo

:D f1

<< Comment #117 @ 15:21 CDT, 23 August 2011 >>

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wolf1e

They should send you a randomized binary every time you connect. That way would would be harder (or impossible) for a hack to know what adresses to patch.

<< Comment #119 @ 16:00 CDT, 23 August 2011 >>

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kapca

Voted yes, but I just read that he actually created cheats in the past.. Changed to NO:(

<< Comment #120 @ 16:14 CDT, 23 August 2011 >>

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limity

what retards "cheater" votes NO. ppl like zeroql ?

<< Comment #125 @ 19:58 CDT, 23 August 2011 >>

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ins ' - Reply to #120

actually zeroql himself voted yes

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dynodeath - Reply to #120

Cheaters perhaps, but possibly the person who doesn't want and X cheat maker profit from this anticheat program. Personally the more hackers who turn from the Dark side the better.

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eh - Reply to #120

No guarantee for getting a quality product (regular updates, no false positives, no lags..), no guarantee that he wont mess with my pc, no guarantee that he wont take money to not detect certain hacks, no linux support, most likely no support by id.
I'd get an esl premium account if they made esl wire to work with QL, but that doesn't seem to ever happen.

<< Comment #122 @ 19:07 CDT, 23 August 2011 >>

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dcy

Where's the "I'll think about it" option?

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #122

Don't click on either of the options, think about it, then vote.

It's that simple.

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dcy - Reply to #186

Aww, but it's the best option.

<< Comment #123 @ 19:10 CDT, 23 August 2011 >>

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daryl

god, people are so stupid.

<< Comment #132 @ 04:37 CDT, 24 August 2011 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #123

Everyone on the internet is stupid but me mentality.

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daryl - Reply to #132

I don't know what that means..

<< Comment #126 @ 02:55 CDT, 24 August 2011 >>

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eh

Changed to no after reading a little about that guy and his software. I don't think its a good idea to rely on the good will of a former cheater. He's not part of the community, he doesn't get paid (=no professional) and his moral is questionable. I would pay a small monthly fee though to get a professional solution.

Edited by asyyy at 02:56 CDT, 24 August 2011

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ax!on - Reply to #126

a stupid decision in my opinion. what did you read about him? that he made cheats before?
coders usually don't make cheats to cheat with them, they make it to show how easily they can exploit or bypass software. that's the real amibtion for every cheat coder. furthermore it gives him the best knowledge to make a working anti-cheat. btw have you ever wondered why big electronic or software companies hire hackers which have cracked their software before? doesn't fit in your moral, does it? creating a hack and actually using it are two different things.

No guarantee for getting a quality product (regular updates, no false positives, no lags..), no guarantee that he wont mess with my pc, no guarantee that he wont take money to not detect certain hacks, no linux support, most likely no support by id.
I'd get an esl premium account if they made esl wire to work with QL, but that doesn't seem to ever happen.

c'mon as if wire was so different. it has no linux support and no support by id nether. besides you can't be sure about the amount of data acquisition which wire does nether. but it's necessary.
you seem to forget that this program is already used successfully for a while in certain games in clanbase and esl. if it was that unprofessional, why did no et-player here confirm that yet?
in my opinion it doesn't matter if get wire, uac, eac or tzac. all of them are way better than no anti cheat.

Edited by ax!on at 06:26 CDT, 24 August 2011

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eh - Reply to #138

If he would represent a 'big electronic or software company' I would trust him on this. But in our case there wont be any contracts and we would have to rely on the work he (maybe) does in his free time as well as on on his good will to keep moral standings up (opposite to being caught in a contract that will burn his ass if he does immoral or illegal things).

edit: a solution would be that id hires that guy and everyone who wants to use the anticheat tool pays a small monthly fee (75cent e.g.). But without any support by id I can't see how this could work in a reasonable way.

Edited by asyyy at 07:35 CDT, 24 August 2011

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hitsu - Reply to #140

hes doing it to get prove how good coder he is, whis could help him in finding better job in the future...

fair enough?

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ax!on - Reply to #138

good idea. but i don't see that happening. i am pretty sure id knows about this issue and even about this poll. if they wanted to take action they would have already done.

Edited by ax!on at 07:44 CDT, 24 August 2011

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Slajer - Reply to #138

coders usually don't make cheats to cheat with them, they make it to show how easily they can exploit or bypass software.

And where does selling them for profit fit in?
I mean if you're gonna do that, you have to test your product in a real world environment.. meaning cheat on public server with AC on :)
I think i've seen some of those coders showing off how well their cheat works on youtube as a commercial. Kinda makes you sick tbh.

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kg - Reply to #162

It's a job like any other. :/

<< Comment #130 @ 03:57 CDT, 24 August 2011 >>

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limity

and this poll, will gonna change something or not ? If iD really reads esr

<< Comment #137 @ 06:00 CDT, 24 August 2011 >>

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twister - Reply to #130

this has nothing to do with id, its a client side anticheat

<< Comment #139 @ 06:56 CDT, 24 August 2011 >>

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limity - Reply to #137

so if im corect its like if im using anti heat and other player is cheater it will detect couse not everyone gonna use it

<< Comment #141 @ 07:03 CDT, 24 August 2011 >>

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zealot - Reply to #139

the idea is, of course, that leagues would require players to have this enabled in the future.

<< Comment #131 @ 03:59 CDT, 24 August 2011 >>

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limity

and also its ESR. I think this should be writen to quakelive.com forum to more ppl know. If iD wont delet it.

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esdf ' - Reply to #131

i posted it to ql forums some time ago, they dont seem to care to vote.

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limity - Reply to #146

couse its syncerror

WE NEED 2GD he knows what to do...

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esdf ' - Reply to #152

http://www.quakelive.com/forum/showthread.php...eat-for-QL

there you go, hf.

<< Comment #159 @ 09:44 CDT, 24 August 2011 >>

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r1ddler - Reply to #156

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7 out of 9 members found this post helpful.
I can't wait until we have those threads again (copied from the SLAC forum)

The 'mouse lag' problem
How to manually update SLAC?
No auth reply from the master
Cant update SLAC
Can't browse to iw3mp.exe
My slac doesnt work ;|
Slac problem-no auth
Slac Is not working
starting problem
.....

I'm so excited.

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thats probably sums up IDs attitude and feelings towards such ideas
gg

<< Comment #187 @ 09:31 CDT, 26 August 2011 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #159

I fail to see anyone from id replying.

<< Comment #136 @ 05:52 CDT, 24 August 2011 >>

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zetman

Yes for serious anticheat, LOL NO for TZAC.

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<< Comment #147 @ 08:18 CDT, 24 August 2011 >>

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esdf '

i dont get people saying "NO HE USED TO CODE CHEATS"... i mean really, wtf? even kevin mitnick is providing security services now after doin jail time, but since he used to 'hack' does that mean he's not competent enough to secure your system from vulnerabilities?

get a clue people.

<< Comment #151 @ 08:45 CDT, 24 August 2011 >>

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eh - Reply to #147

I don't think anyone here questions his competence. Plus, 93% support your idea, should make you a happy panda.

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esdf ' - Reply to #151

happy panda ascii failed :U

Edited by esdf at 09:16 CDT, 24 August 2011

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vedic - Reply to #147

Mitnick never did any damage - he was a harmless ethical hacker. Cheating is entirely different.

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<< Comment #167 @ 19:30 CDT, 24 August 2011 >>

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esdf ' - Reply to #166

ye, that's why he did the time in prison :D it was just a comparison :)

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Jamerio : - Reply to #166

Err no, his actions prompted many people to spend a shitload of money in cleaning up the damage he did.

If you had to pay hundreds of thousands to clean up the trail his "ethical hacks" did, I'm pretty sure you would think differently. On top of that he wasted a shitload of police resources.

But yeah the guy was over hyped for sure.

Edited by Jamerio at 17:41 CDT, 30 August 2011

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vedic - Reply to #200

No, they spent money fixing the terrible security that they had. Mitnick never caused damage.

<< Comment #208 @ 11:24 CDT, 31 August 2011 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #201

No you have a moral dilema.

If someone broke in to your house and looked around, but stole nothing and left a note saying, you need new doors, windows and a security system costing 10,000 dollars, is that acceptable cos you know, as you say, he was exploiting the holes?

Yet if someone breaks into you server and you need to spend $100,000 to secure it, that's ok?

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vedic - Reply to #208

Had they not fixed the holes, it would have only been a matter of time before someone who WAS out to cause damage made it in. Security through obscurity does not work.

<< Comment #212 @ 06:27 CDT, 1 September 2011 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #210

Every system is vulnerable at some point in the pipeline, even today, it doesn't mean that breaking it is somehow acceptable. Nothing has changed in security, its gotten better, but the tools and the skill of the hackers has also gotten better. Its all realtive. Just ask sony.

If that is what he wanted to do, he could have easily have setup a company back then and approached these businesses and formed a legitimate agreement where if he could penetrate their security he would do so by keeeping them in the loop.

The paranoia he invoked was what was criminal because the people didn't know what he did and he didn't tell them.

25 years on, pretty much every problem that existed then exists now. In fact I would say its even worse because of growth.

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vedic - Reply to #212

People were breaking into these systems left and right and causing damage. It wasn't because hackers were so much better than security, it's because the standard for security back in his day was security through obscurity - exactly what you are proposing. It does not work.

<< Comment #191 @ 13:06 CDT, 26 August 2011 >>

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ischju - Reply to #147

if he used to program cheats he should be the best guy do write an anti-cheat imho. regardless, he may exploit that fact though by writing cheats that still work even if the anti-cheat is running in the background. this is the only reason why he is suspicious imho.

i remember watching "catch me if you can" - kinda the same applies here :)

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<< Comment #240 @ 17:43 CDT, 7 September 2011 >>

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daryl - Reply to #147

actually, yes, it does. kevin mitnick has never been an actual hacker.

<< Comment #153 @ 08:58 CDT, 24 August 2011 >>

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raw

I really hope something can be done to at least trial this. Just imagine how many of the online "heroes" would be screwed :-)))

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<< Comment #165 @ 15:34 CDT, 24 August 2011 >>

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lemming#13 - Reply to #153

You willing to try the software of a known hacker on your machine?

I guess because he says it's legit means it doesn't keylogg you. Does it?

:)

<< Comment #168 @ 19:40 CDT, 24 August 2011 >>

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esdf ' - Reply to #165

if it does keylog him, it's easy to find out, and then his coder career is over.

<< Comment #177 @ 23:59 CDT, 25 August 2011 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #168

He can just change his nickname and continue this so called coder career.
I don't trust him fully.

<< Comment #180 @ 05:29 CDT, 26 August 2011 >>

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esdf ' - Reply to #177

not really. he's doing this under his real name :)

<< Comment #181 @ 07:37 CDT, 26 August 2011 >>

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Slajer - Reply to #180

And you're 100% sure thats really his name? :)

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #180

Change anti-cheat name, problem solved.
This was a hard one.

<< Comment #185 @ 09:28 CDT, 26 August 2011 >>

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kg - Reply to #184

..and you think noone will notice?

<< Comment #188 @ 09:35 CDT, 26 August 2011 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #185

Let's say a new anticheat program is created. The developer is called fsdfsdfsd, the anticheat name is called sdffsdfsd.

You can find it at fsdfsdfsd.com.

How can you tell if the guy behind it is chaplja or not?

<< Comment #189 @ 09:53 CDT, 26 August 2011 >>

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kg - Reply to #188

By how the program works.

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #189

He could just claim that it's similar, change a few things and be done with it.

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kg - Reply to #190

Relying on the stupidity of the average person is all and well, but saying that everybody is an idiot is too big an assumption.

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raw - Reply to #165

Theres already been enough responses on this topic, pick one of several above.

Something needs to be done about the shit going on right now, if it isnt a wallhacker or aimbotter its paranoia, either way be it 3rd party or by ID Software this game needs an anticheat system.

Edited by raw at 04:20 CDT, 25 August 2011

<< Comment #163 @ 12:25 CDT, 24 August 2011 >>

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w0nk0

i honestly dont really care about hackers that much except in tournaments of which there are none in the US. but if this helps reduce the drama going on in the euro community nowadays, sure why not.

i suspect there will still be cases of drama happening from time to time even with a good anti cheat but if it helps reduce the general paranoia from the ridiculous levels its at now, im all for it.

<< Comment #164 @ 13:55 CDT, 24 August 2011 >>

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InDepther - Reply to #163

lol that was really funny

<< Comment #171 @ 07:55 CDT, 25 August 2011 >>

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r1ddler - Reply to #163

where is ray when you need him :P

<< Comment #175 @ 15:51 CDT, 25 August 2011 >>

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Lisk

Could the maker be paid to do a false positive on somebody?

Is it open source?

Edited by Lisk at 16:05 CDT, 25 August 2011

<< Comment #176 @ 20:28 CDT, 25 August 2011 >>

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byce

Had to vote no because it only supports Windows.

<< Comment #178 @ 04:09 CDT, 26 August 2011 >>

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ax!on - Reply to #176

name an anti cheat program that works with linux or os x.

<< Comment #182 @ 08:18 CDT, 26 August 2011 >>

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byce - Reply to #178

Umm, where are you going with this? I would vote no for them too. This may come as a surprise to you, but Quake Live supports Linux and Mac. See the dilemma?

<< Comment #179 @ 05:01 CDT, 26 August 2011 >>

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Anonymous (193.189.76.4)

how to earn some cash on cheats? ITS EASY! Use PROBLEM-REACTION-SOLUTION system.

ONLY 3 STEPS!!

MAKE PROBLEM: write free hax to any game

WAIT FOR REACTION: OMG ppl are cheatin'!!! WE NEED ANTICHEAT!!!!!!!!1111111one

GIVE SOLUTION: I know how to make good anticheats, without me you will be doomed!!

The best is that: ITS WORK WITH ALL GAMES :)

tip for next time: this system work better if people dont know that you are make cheat for game what they love :)

if you will do not already know in future for what game create cheats ask us (especially me, for this occasion will creature account on esr (: ) via esr. Certainly we can find something worthy of your attention and skills.

For the end I have some proposals: dont w8 till id will earn you make cheats for another games! I put his list of suggestions

TEAM FORTRESS 2
CoD series
MarioBros
Global Agenda
Doom 3
Rage
Brink
dota2

<< Comment #183 @ 08:28 CDT, 26 August 2011 >>

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kg - Reply to #179

You're the first person who though of that.

<< Comment #192 @ 14:28 CDT, 26 August 2011 >>

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Anonymous (193.189.76.4) - Reply to #183

thx, I loov u :******888

n1c3l1nk

3%

<< Comment #202 @ 21:12 CDT, 30 August 2011 >>

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vedic - Reply to #179

TF2 and DOTA2 are VAC protected.

<< Comment #195 @ 09:06 CDT, 28 August 2011 >>

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chaplja

My options are a bit limited, but I will make something.. it can be tested and if the community/admins like it, it can be used.

22%

<< Comment #216 @ 10:32 CDT, 1 September 2011 >>

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kg - Reply to #195

Are you Tomislav Zubcic?

<< Comment #221 @ 22:34 CDT, 1 September 2011 >>

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chaplja - Reply to #216

Yes.

<< Comment #242 @ 09:09 CDT, 8 September 2011 >>

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kg - Reply to #221

Is #199 true?

<< Comment #196 @ 03:57 CDT, 29 August 2011 >>

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JDMYO

I'd like anti-cheat for Quake Live, not so much to stop the cheaters but more to stop the retards bitching and quiting because they think your cheating just because your handing their ass to them. You do a simple bit of prediction and your wall hacking - bitch, quit. You string 3 rails together and your aim botting - bitch, quit.

<< Comment #198 @ 08:40 CDT, 30 August 2011 >>

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scowl - Reply to #196

your != you're

congrats on doing it wrong 4 times within 3 lines of text, though.

Edited by scowl at 08:41 CDT, 30 August 2011

<< Comment #204 @ 04:26 CDT, 31 August 2011 >>

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kg - Reply to #198

at least he's consistent

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palatka - Reply to #204

c0N1574/V7-_-

<< Comment #205 @ 10:31 CDT, 31 August 2011 >>

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pz

Ok, Yes won, what now?

<< Comment #206 @ 10:35 CDT, 31 August 2011 >>

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xou - Reply to #205

Nothing, that's just a poll

<< Comment #207 @ 11:20 CDT, 31 August 2011 >>

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pz - Reply to #206

It would be nice if sync would deign to write something here.

<< Comment #209 @ 14:41 CDT, 31 August 2011 >>

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Jamerio :

Cheat market is like the antivirus market.

I'm convinced a lot of the people writing them are from the big antivirus companies, or emplyoed by them on the side to provide a need for their product.
So he provides a solution today, but tomorrow he's selling bots for �9.99.

Then he strings the dev and bot client list along with seemingly "effective" cures for both parties. And because both parties know its a game of cat and mouse, they will put up with when their bots do and do not work, same as the vendor. As long as the update coems out soon.

Someone should just lock carmack in a room for 6 months with toxic as an aim rat and see what he comes up with.

I'm sure there are a LOT of untapped checks anti cheat people could put in.

Look at the typical scenarios, is a palyer effeectively tracking an opponent through the wall etc.

Edited by Jamerio at 14:44 CDT, 31 August 2011

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chaplja - Reply to #209

You are convinced? Any actual proofs, suspicious cases or anything that makes you believe that or are your accusations based only on your.... paranoia?

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Raist - Reply to #211

dont worry about the jamerio, we keep him around for fun but it will sometimes bait people into giving it attention, don't bother just kick it away or something.

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Jamerio : - Reply to #213

What I said is perfectly valid and just as right or wrong than your opinion that its wrong.
Actually you don't have an opinion other than trying to undermine mine becuae I pissed youoff.

And that;s the beauty of being on the most qualified in this demographic, you don't give a shite what the majority think :)

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Raist - Reply to #218

thats a good boy.

4%

<< Comment #214 @ 10:06 CDT, 1 September 2011 >>

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ax!on - Reply to #211

don't let those few trolls bother you. you have 93 % of the community on your side.

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Jamerio : - Reply to #211

Errr, its well documented and proven that some people write viruses to sell a piece of software to seemingly cleanse their own virus.

SO its not unrealistic to think that billion dollar corporations who exist as long as tehre is a demand do the same thing.

And CERTAINLY not unreasonable to think that a bot writer would.
What kind of person do you think writes bots to cheat?

A failed programmer with no morals is more than capable of such a thing.

Edited by Jamerio at 18:04 CDT, 1 September 2011

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chaplja - Reply to #217

I'm talking about the cheat-anticheat market. Why are you convinced the situatiion is the same?

Anyway, what is your proposal for a solution?

A) No anticheat at all
B) An anticheat coded by clueless persons with ideas like yours ("is a palyer effeectively tracking an opponent through the wall") - they sound good in theory, but it is ridiculously useless in practice

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QkumbR - Reply to #224

I'm sure the 'cheat-anticheat' market is just like virus market. Why? because IT'S SMART! derrrrrrrrr. People like making money in case you didnt know. If you could make a boat load of money for something as simple as a friggin wall hack, and then double up creating a fix for it - OF COURSE someone is going to take advantage of that.

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QkumbR - Reply to #217

Who gives a crap honestly? As long as his anti-cheat stops the mainstream free BS out there at least it's doing something. If some people want to pay 20 dollars to cheat - well fuck me sideways. Go ahead if its that important to you.

<< Comment #219 @ 19:36 CDT, 1 September 2011 >>

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ins '

anything but esl wire

when's this going live?

<< Comment #222 @ 09:11 CDT, 2 September 2011 >>

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[eXodus]

7.4% seem to be cheaters

<< Comment #226 @ 00:39 CDT, 3 September 2011 >>

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eh - Reply to #222

92.6% seem to be lemmings

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chubz - Reply to #226

yes, so what :)

<< Comment #223 @ 10:14 CDT, 2 September 2011 >>

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Omni

Its not that hard to solve bring back the old callvote kick command for public servers and make ut usable at any point of the game and use some sort of anti-cheat for tournament games.

I have no faith in anti-cheat programs I rather be able to just remove the player from the game itself.

<< Comment #229 @ 06:09 CDT, 4 September 2011 >>

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chubz - Reply to #223

Well it's all shits and giggles when they don't hoarde the server you're on and start callvote kicking people from it while those who stay, if any, get bot/WH abused.

Today most cheaters aren't as blatant as they in the beta of QL.
They toggle WH's, use them in hiding, use them while there are no specs.

If you play on lower tiers then people flat out join with bots and they cause people leaving the server ... but more you go up the skill ladder the sneakier they become.

I voted yes for AC and I can only hope it's not bandwidth heavy and that it will do some good in the near future.

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flake^

If chaplja is writing a bot on the side that circumvents his own anti-cheat product it would only take one person to expose him and fuck everything up so why bother risking everything for a few token dollars from cheaters?!

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<< Comment #233 @ 17:43 CDT, 6 September 2011 >>

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chaplja - Reply to #232

That's why I wonder so much why are people so paranoid. And even under a fake name, I wouldn't be able to do it easily without a lot of risk.

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QkumbR - Reply to #233

What are you talking about? You could easily write one under a different name. If you're smart enough to code so well - i'm sure you can hide your identity......please child

<< Comment #234 @ 18:17 CDT, 6 September 2011 >>

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eri

So everyone who voted no is a hacker, bring out the names already

Ediut: Actually i figured out how to find them ;) nm

Edited by eri at 18:18 CDT, 6 September 2011

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Slajer - Reply to #234

I believe everyone that voted no posted their reasons why and so did i.
I will not compromise my moral integrity just to feel safe.. even less so for a game.

The poll is about specific anticheat, not an anticheat in general.
Who voted what depends on the person.. you even have cheaters that voted yes.. now isn't that interesting.

5%

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kg - Reply to #235

you even have cheaters that voted yes.. now isn't that interesting.

Not really, everybody wants to cover their own ass and make it seem like their mistakes are one-time missteps.

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Slajer - Reply to #237

Thats what i was implying.
It's not all black and white. He is presuming that everyone that voted no is a cheater.. so why don't reply under his post as well or do you actually agree with him?

<< Comment #243 @ 21:31 CDT, 9 September 2011 >>

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miOw

Bah, can't change my vote anymore. What a pity D;

<< Comment #244 @ 06:08 CDT, 10 September 2011 >>

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cRee_

This is one big mess, but it will be good to see who gets worse when some sort of anti cheat finally comes to town.

<< Comment #245 @ 07:32 CDT, 12 September 2011 >>

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Yavich

On main page:
Yes - 92%
No - 7,4%

On this page:
Yes - 93%
No - 7,4%

WTF?

And
92+7,4=99,4
Where 0,6 % :D

93+7,4=100,4
WTF?

<< Comment #246 @ 20:03 CDT, 12 September 2011 >>

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13m3 - Reply to #245

it's a cheat! ban the haxor...

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #245

everything is possible on esr

<< Comment #247 @ 11:09 CDT, 21 September 2011 >>

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QkumbR

Even if the guy ends up making a cheat and selling it. WHATEVER. As long as he keeps the free cheats from working I dont give a shit. That will cut down about 75% of the shitties trigger botting at least....

<< Comment #248 @ 08:46 CDT, 25 September 2011 >>

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Anonymous (121.54.29.100)

i think the people who voted no are pretty over reacting.

<< Comment #249 @ 16:49 CDT, 25 September 2011 >>

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Anonymous (213.243.137.97)

"Yeah i wont touch an anti-cheat system coded by ex-hacker. I want a random professional C++/whatever coder to do it, preferably coder with no hacker-background (read: no experience) so that the program will get hacked within minutes without defences."

Sounds logical. And you wonder why there are only so few good anti-cheats.... People with these opinions don't deserve someone working hard on good protection schemes with years of experience in game hacking.

Also, people who are thinking other people will work/turn around by money over morale principles, are dumb and shouldn't think that way. Just because you would start hacking your own software for money doesn't mean that better people (than you) would.

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Eviili

Soooo, when is this thing comming out!?Im getting impatient..

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ax!on - Reply to #250

he told me that there might be a certain reason why he probably can't do it. i'll try to get an official statement from him soon. if this won't work out, does anybody know an other solution?
cs has lots of anti cheat programs of that kind, but it's hard to pursade those guys to do it for a game which has such a small community and also for no pay.

<< Comment #255 @ 17:18 CST, 14 November 2011 >>

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raythenoob

As predicted, fail.

gg for ql

<< Comment #256 @ 13:31 CST, 15 December 2011 >>

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T1E '

http://clanbase.ggl.com/news.php?nid=365465

<< Comment #259 @ 14:37 CST, 16 December 2011 >>

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pTOLEmy - Reply to #256

I would gadly donate him 5 or 10 euro monthly if he would make an anti-cheat for QL. I know he needs support from ID, but still!

<< Comment #257 @ 14:13 CST, 16 December 2011 >>

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T1E '

<khaplja> sponge, SyncError: does any of you two have time to talk in private regarding adding support for QL to my anticheat?

<sponge> khaplja: no, that's not my call to make either way

<khaplja> sponge: who should I contact via email?

<sponge> khaplja: i wouldnt know who to contact for somethign like that, sorry

<crucci_> if it's not you, who else can it be than sync...?

<sponge> ql's producer, people above that

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goodbye_world - Reply to #257

R O F L
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<< Comment #262 @ 13:37 CST, 19 December 2011 >>

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