No.

explain.

didnt you quit?

? :o

Says the newb who obviously was never good at using rockets or rail before QL came out since they're so quick to say no to this very reasonable and justified complaint.

Yeah that must be it - especially since I didn't play q3 before playing QL. Anyhow, 100dmg rail is unbalanced and boring and rockets work very well as they are. Deal with it.

In addition to that I have heard that hitboxes are going to be a bit bigger (10%) which will also balance weapons a bit more making hitscan weapons stronger.

I hope not. Fucking pussies. Aim should be rewarded -.-

I feel like it will just help aimers to play even better since hitscan dps will rise compared to projectile dps.

Mhn don't think so because every retard will be able to up his %. Hence dogding and aiming will be less rewarding than now. I haven't played ql on the old hitboxes but I guess it favoured players like rapha.
I like the current weapon balance and hitboxes. I think people will always disagree about certain weapons and their dmg output. Some will argue that rg has to do 100dmg and others would like to see a slower rl and so on. But most of these opionions are biased on their own preferences.
Imo there are three strong weapons: lg, rg and rl. There are players who tend to use some of them more often than others. Take for example strenx and k1llsen. Both overuse to some extend rail (k1llsen) and lg (strenx) in certain situations whereas a rl or any other weapon would be more useful in theory. But their exceptional aim allows them to do things others can't do and this is what I really like about this game, because it creates specific styles which wouldn't be as unique with bigger hitboxes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t72DR8VmYuw&am...age#t=641s
This is $$$ and yeah rapha got punished for his crappy aim in that situation.

Concering the rapha and cypher game I think you can't blame it only on the map since T7 was rather slow too. I guess we would have seen a simular game on ztn. You won't see such an outcome between rapha vs strenx/stermy (stermy vs rapha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG5R0LDCgf8 quakecon dm13) as both players time better and therefore would play more aggressive as cypher did vs rapha. You can't blame rapha because it is his style and he waited for the perfect opportunity without doing a mistake. Rapha really had a hard time to get a kill on cypher. Maybe rapha should have pushed a bit earlier but as I already said I wouldn't blame it on neither the map nor rapha. It's just the style between those players.


tldr bigger hitboxes suck and no it isn't more fun :xxxx

Mhn don't think so because every retard will be able to up his %. Hence dogding and aiming will be less rewarding than now. I haven't played ql on the old hitboxes but I guess it favoured players like rapha

you are clearly the retard here

You didn't get it. Read again moron

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In addition to that I have heard that hitboxes are going to be a bit bigger (10%) which will also balance weapons a bit more making hitscan weapons stronger.

I guess ID will accidentally release the fixed netcode in the same update... ;)

spartie doesn't play passive, and he won his group, explain that

He didn't go on to win IEM though did he :(

Rock solid proof man.

so many situations today where people got DESTROYED by lg

omg stfu stupid newb, stop talkin shit
sg=100 dmg in tdm and everything is fine

Agree with OP. Hope hitboxes aren't increased/enlarged though.

agreed

playing defensive is not even an option anymore, is a must. The more u gay the more u win.

tru.dat

its easier to kill someone with 3 rockets than with 100% shaft. gg

lg is still heavily used, there was a tight game, but most of them seemed normal. We had games like that back in q3 too. It's not the weapon balance.

I wouldn't mind a bit less splash on rockets. I sometimes die to splash which is retardedly far from where the rocket hit.

I would say timelimit 10 is the biggest factor, of course if you add these rockets into it, you have passive game then.

or quit crying like a bitch, and play some 32 slot Q43A overkill

this!

I think the game is fine and it's still beautiful to watch the best players. Games with less frags are a product of rising skill, equally high skilled oponents going at each other at tl 10 min.

The rocket splash could be slightly less though, maybe a little less bounce also.

Games with less frags are a product of rising skill

In that case, UT2k4 is light years ahead of quake..

Games with less frags are a product of rising skill

ROFL! Deluded.

I think reducing rocket splash / knock-back is a must for the game to be fun, it rewards the better rocket users who use rocket properly , and also rewards people who dodge projectiles well, since now everybody delivers atleast 50hp damage with even bad rockets.

the current rockets do reward aim but they are incredibly difficult to dodge due to the speed, and people do spam tons of rockets in tight quarters and don't self-kill so having the proper splash radius and damage would punish spam and reward aim and give a bit better dodgability.

rocket splash is already weaker than in q3 :(

why does +back rockets feel so incredibly more effective than q3 then..is it just placebo effect ?

Speed? Are they not faster in QL over Q3?

Indeed they are, and this would be the reason. They went up 100 UPS from Quake 3. Not sure what they were originally, 800 or something?

900ups in q3 with max 100dmg splash

and its current;y 1000ups in ql with max 84dmg splash

because all the other weapon / game changes relatively affect the rocket.

the reload ms is faster, firing at a the vertical side of ledge does splash damage above, etc etc.

how good was stopping people strafing to ra on ztn with just mg off spawn HAHA.

the rockets are faster and all the other guns are weaker, i wouldnt mind having the old slower but proper splash rockets back :/

Nice!!!!!

now u talking

i think most of the whine about splash is for the radius and not the damage. and the radius is just stupid in ql.

radius was never changed from q3 afaik?

i think they increased it, very very early on in the beta.

Pretty sure splash radius is 120 in q3 (I think vq3 in cpma it's 110, can't remember though). It's 120 in quakelive.

but the maps were scaled down slightly weren't they?

rofl, you have no idea what a ridiculous amount of work that would be

aka no, they weren't ^^

nah I have an idea about how much work it would be , not something I would want to go through but the map scaling felt weird to me in comparison to Q3 but I guess it could just be because of the independent physics if.

they did change map scale veryy early on from what i remember?
edit: maybe not scale but they definitely changed something about the maps that could have a similar feeling to changing the scale

Was dm6 scaled a little bit?

Or was the bridge simply made larger?

Just curious :)

lol.... no, nothing was changed, the bridge to rail distance was made shorter, thats about it

They didn't change the scale of the maps, but they did go through all of them and improved their graphics and gameplay. Some of them are almost completely re-done, and some just some cosmetics. If you look at the old q3 maps you can tell they put a lot of work in :)

speed + you get popped up a ton with their tweak to make rjs easier.

Partly. Although I think OSP rockets would be better, the main problem is the ammo system. People have too many rockets all the time, making defensive play easier.
Rocket speed may play a little role too, hard to say.

i dont care if it hits behind more, as long as when you actually click on it it hits. if the easiest way to fix it is make bigger hitboxes...so be it.

Someone obviously didn't play the closed beta..

you make it sound like that's unfortunate.

Not my intention at all. :D

Rockets are easy to spam due way too big splash radiu

not true it does 80dmg maximum. What you are detecting is the speed of the "flight" of the projectile not the big radius of splash damage. However, nerfing shotgun was ridiculous for sure, now people sit ontop of a jumpad and use rocket instead of the shotgun for the people who accidentally or stupidly use the pad hahah. Now you can be at top of a pad and hit a good close shot with the sg and get no reward.

But Quake 3 Arena Rockets would be fine. Regular radius and damage and a tad slower for more think. put the shotgun back to where it belongs at 110. And yeah don't over fix the fregen balance.

QW rocket style plz :)))

promode or gtfo :D

This community can rarely reach a consensus on anything, and when it happens, you can safely bet on it being 100% wrong. Ever wonder why "design by committee" has such a poor reputation? This is why. Quake Live is basically Quake 3 Arena, but slightly worse in every single aspect; all the "rough edges" have been smoothed away for a new vision of the game that's sole purpose is to bother the least amount of existing players. Turns out those "rough edges" are what made the game worth playing (i.e. entertaining) in the first place.

Watch this and see if you can spot what was lost in translation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv2haDHLepE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WAhawcU6Jg

While you're watching, some more questions to ponder: Why do you suppose every time game balance is brought up these days, there are far more complaints about something being "op" / overpowered as opposed to underpowered? And to use that bullshit WoW terminology, why are there more calls for nerfs rather than buffs? Is it really because there have been such huge advances in mouse technology over the years (even though most pro players are still using decade-old MS mice), or better internet connections (even though every Quake tournament you remember has been on LAN)?

Consider instead that our personal standards and/or maturity levels might have slipped, and if given a choice now between a harder game that takes more effort and is less likely to result in us winning, versus an easier game we don't have to practice as much and can reliably win as long as we "do the simple right things"... I'm pretty sure it was Carmac who used that phrase at the first Quake Live tournament, QuakeCon '08.

Anyway, keep digging, QL players. Maybe you'll nerf your way through to the other side. And then maybe the game is just a dozen or so more graphical cvars away from perfection.

And then maybe the game is just a dozen or so more graphical cvars away from perfection CS 1.6.

fyp

Are you fuckin kidding me?!? Hitboxes are getting bigger?!?! How much more newbfriendly is quakelive is gonne get?! Jesus fuckin crist!

In Q3 OSP everything worked fine afaik, in CPMA VQ3 the shaft and rail were used almost exclusively.. better connections, xerp code...

I think it was a good idea by ID to bring back the rocket launcher as an important (and fun!) weapon. From my perspective (TDM only) I think the balance between shaft, rl and rail is good as it is -- each weapon is strongest in either close/mid/wide range fights.

The increase of the hitboxes is afaik mostly (or only) to better fit the best enemymodel ever, tankjr. I'm still using it and I'm looking forward to not shooting through it anymore without hitting.

comming from a cheating newb which suggested to make sg look like hand cannon:

http://www.fortunecity.com/underworld/streetfighter/1046/hc.jpg LOOOOOOL

it would be much easier to just use cpma Q3 settings which were perfect and just drop the LG to 7-7-7 instead.It wont get any better than that.

they are cannons in 80->110units or so, then power is dropped by a 2/3rd

point blank instaGibs

love ur constant rage <3

no rage kiddie.Im just referring to you the way you deserve to be called. :)

However your posts are full of rage,but the amount of stupidity you tend to write makes it up, so its quite entertaining actually.Keep it up!

i cant, but laught to u. The amount of stupidity you tend to write makes it up, so its quite entertaining actually.

whatabout this mister? go fuck your sisterr ::D

Rockets need to be nerfed in terms of splash damage
direct hits are fine

Railgun should be 50 lol

and lightning gun can stay the same if the other two are changed

plasma can be a little stronger and slower
or
little weaker and faster

why shotgun has laser sight, still not accurate

I agree only with the fact that you cannot be aggressive in QL.

I think adding movement ideas like air strafing, or crouch sliding, would be a good idea.

Not a fan of changing hitboxes, rocket speed, or boosting LG, and rail definitely doesn't need a nerf.

What about increasing max health and armour? Or having armour decrease to 100 quicker?

It seems unfair as it currently stands, that it's implausible even for a fullstacked 180 180 player to charge a 100 180 player who's just defending and controling one YA.

From what Ive seen in this tourney, as long as you dont attack in a stupid manner, like through a hallway, attacking works fine. I understand that some people want to be able to rush more, but its stupid to say that the game is made easier just because you cant attack as easily as before, when people just whipped out the lg no matter the situation.

I really think that the weapon balance look good, at least when speccing the top players.

(I heard today that one match was 0-0 for 18mins.... THATS QUITE FUCKING INSANE.)

Did you see that match? it was fucking insane and far from boring. Players being cautious adds so many more layers to this game.

Foucs is testing teh hit box changes right now

lol @ rail being overpowered or too quick to reload

I said this in the previous thread too: you'll never see true aggressive play with this sort of movement. Q3 has always been +back and lg/rail apart from the early osp days and QL will continue to be that way cause I doubt they're gonna add aircontrol.

I don't think the hitboxes need changing at all, its not that hard to hit in ql, so what if a few shots don't hit, who cares, just say the gun misfired or something, seems everyone gets the problem in the same kind of amout, so it seems balanced to me... since it only really affects RG, just put a global delay on rail like there was in q2 (although not as much as q2). That was actually funner than it sounds. And better than making hitboxes bigger imo.

Every time someone says QL is to defensive and suggest changing it back to Q3 I just think of if-22 and laugh.

you are just better off trying Q43A, making q3 weapon models before the world takes over the universe and every makes custom MP player models

get a keygen, and iso, for offline dedicated server action

That's the thing, people don't realize how godlike he was : +back deluxe in the land of +forward rockets.

It takes a whole lot of skill to be able to do what he did when the game was in that state. Nowadays any random noob can +back on ztn for 10 minutes...

if22 was amazing, he raged so many players not even with his aim just his placement and position. I would love to see him in quakelive with how campy it is, he'd rape some shit.

it takes skill to hit and pass dispersal SP in Q43A with ai dropping weapons you all wont succeed

heheeh if-22 was before his time. QL was if22 time too bad. all hail if22

I bet you wouldnt want to see it after all since u whined even about av3k - cooller semi-final xD

i wouldnt watch it, but he would clean raphas clock, probably make the lil jesus freak rage from his +back and go apeshit +forward

People seem to forget that in the last tournament he played, he wasn't quite that +back...

correlation and causality...

im not convinced yet go v3

it's funny to see a 200 200 guy afraid to go after a 100 50 opponent because he knows one rocket can fuck him up or destroy his stack.

This.

They need to place more of an emphasis on movement.
So like for every second you walk you lose 5 hp and for every second you stand still you lose 10 hp. :D

Hmmm. Rockets need nerfed, railgun is fine, lg nerf could be quite beneficial tbh. Sg should be bumped up a bit by like 10dmg or so.

This comes down to map choice.

For the next season of Quake Live, several changes need to happen.

Remove dm13. It's a stalemate map that *everyone* has figured out and memorized by now. Wins come down to single mistakes and lava falls.

It should be replaced by t9. T9 is one of the only maps that lends itself to an aggressive playstyle. Moreover, it can replace dm13 because it is a no rail gun map.

Keep hektik. Possibly the best new map we have in this pool, and aggressive play works on this map very well. It is a tough skill to be able to capitalize when you have control and milk the maximum number of frags you can.

Keep t4. It too promotes an aggressive play style and there aren't many turtle games.

ZTN, aerowalk should be considered for removal because they are known too well and it is too easy to turtle up and not have to play aggressive. Dismemberment isn't that great of a map, so I do not believe it should stay. T7 should be kept because there aren't many better maps.

It is important that QL tournaments such as zotac try to introduce new, original duel maps into the pool. They did great with hektik, and I'm sure they can find another.

-dm13, and give a chance BF or CP
and definately not +t9

Every weapon has it's purpose in certain situations and they are all balanced.

Getting destryoed by rockets? Stop getting caught in close combat or learn to dodge and use rockets yourself.

Keep dieing to LG? Learn to aim better with lg yourself, use the right weapon for the current situation and position yourself better.

Keep getting railed in the face? Make yourself harder to hit, stop getting caught out in the open or close the distance quickly.

If I kill you in CA with the PG when you go up a pad and you die before you hit the ground, it's not because the PG needs be nerfed it's because you got outplayed.

To all the people crying NERF I say this: quake isn't an MMO, if you keep getting owned by someone it's because they are better than you.

If I kill you in CA

You lost me there

"Getting destryoed by rockets? Stop getting caught in close combat or learn to dodge and use rockets yourself."

And here is the problem. Stopping getting into close combat = why some of these games are so boring.

Rapha style is: +back so you can spam round a corner and hit without being hit Q.E.D you win

Problem is, with everyone adopting this style the game is a bunch of sissies spamming defensive rockets and afraid to engage unless a mistake is made (i.e. rj in dm13 punished by LG, drop down in ztn punished by LG, etcetc) ..

Got an idea, what about nailgun on maps with corridors. Nailgun bounce should be 100% and 10 damage a nail, with 12 nails shot, and bounce like 3 times. However the bounce would be fucking random so in open territory you cant really hope to bounce shot a guy, and shooting directly at him is like normal and worse than shotgun, so he can easily dodge the nails.

So when ppl are in corridors and spamming rox or whatever, just bounce that shit off the wall into the hiding bitch around a corner. So he can't just spam a rocket and hope ppl won't hit him, he'll have to come out into the open or back the fuck up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQXyhWch3Eg

that's why nailgun owns.

nailgun quad runs on siberia ftw 8>

You're wrong. The weapons are not balanced. Rocket launcher is useful in almost all situations. As the maps are cramped, the splash radius often fills entire entrances to rooms so its impossible to attack someone who's spamming +back and rockets. Even with 200 200 stack, the rockets aren't dodgeable so you usually get raped of 150 by 2 rockets when attacking someone bunkerink a room before you even get a chance to deal damage yourself.

bringing back osp rockets would be $$$

this thread is so lame, just like most of the replies.

fuck you with your OSP bullshit. If you want q3 settings, reinstall OSP and fuckoff from QL.

the weapon balance is fucking fine ffs, learn to dodges RL or become a RL hero, as simple as simple. Adapt or die.

most of noctis ideas are so fucking retarded tbh, but doesn't surprise me from someone who was playiong q3 osp 24/24 7/7 when everyone was playing q4. Noctis get beat by fazz and always get beat by any top tier player. So, basically he's still an amateur, and a whiny emo bitch with long hair, so don't listen to him.

the only recent mistake that id has done is imho 80dmg SG @ TDM, quite weak tbh, 90-100 would be nice, and i'm not sure about 4dmg MG, especially with the skinny hitboxes.
I wouldn't mind too much if hitboxes were a lil bigger, 10% larger is ok imho, just hope that we won't be "forced" to use tankjr instead of keel. 10% bigger hitboxes might help MG & LG tracking a bit, which could be a good thing, but more than 10% would probably make these weapons xerp-like.

Noctis get beat by fazz and always get beat by any top tier player. So, basically he's still an amateur, and a whiny emo bitch with long hair, so don't listen to him.

So what does that make you, when he pussypenetrates you through pants?Its not that im defending him but...get a grip. :D

he likes to trolololol and pussy with shaft in CA

shaft isn't pussy.

shaft is the most balanced weapon in the game, it's probably one of the only weapon which can be used both defensively or offensively, both passively or with a lot a dynamism in your movements.

think he might have shaved his hair actually, and i have to say he is a LOT better looking after it (yes homo). it was on a reason gaming profile page somewhere.

yeah, but i think he looked cooller with his long hair.

but yeah, with hair shaved he looks cool aswell.

"- Make railgun reload time 10% longer or 20% longer and up dmg back to 100

In addition to that I have heard that hitboxes are going to be a bit bigger (10%) which will also balance weapons a bit more making hitscan weapons stronger.
"

So basicly, increse rail damage whilst making hitbox bigger, this will make the game LESS passive? :D

well just think how risky using rail would become after adding 10-20% more to reload time, use of rail would be punished more often, while it still would be powerful enough to stay in balance with other weapons.

i don't really see 10% making too much of a difference, 20% would be much better imo

10% or 20% either way they should both be tested really!

If we do any changes, there should only be one.

Change back to Q3 settings, 8-8-8 lg, 100 rail, slow rockets. Also, bigger hitboxes.

That way I instantly become awesome.

Seriously, 18 mins and 0:0?

Something has gone wrong. Maybe it's truly balanced but it's boring to watch and to play, imbalance come back!

> I heard today that one match was 0-0 for 18mins....
> Its quite clear why peole play overly passive: rockets and rail.

Stopped reading there, the 18 min 0-0 was on dm13 (no rail fyi). Do more research and gather some experience.

yeah, balance is good if without rail game goes on 18minutes without a frag!