I'm about half-way through the article at the moment so hopefully it will be finished for proofing tomorrow, then published on Tuesday if there are no problems.

must admitt im a bit confused why you are doing the article, a lot of time and effort that you could spend on your businesses or whatever. Is this a sign of pure love for the gaming community u have created?

It hasn't been done before, and will make a big different to the gaming mouse market.

For example, the new gaming mice are laser but everyone complains that they skip and are terrible for gaming. Without benchmarks the mouse manufacturers just continue on making crappy mouse because no-one is putting a benchmark score in faces and saying "STOP MAKING CRAP MICE!".

With more information, customers will buy the better mice. That means the people who make mice will have to do better otherwise no-one will buy their products.

Also I hate some of the marketing guff like when people claim their mousewire is so awesome, when I know for a fact that the wire makes no difference whatsoever.

Finally every time I read a mouse review I totally cringe because they always end up playing a game and saying "THIS MOUSE MADE MY FRAG COUNT IMPROVE". It's just total bollocks and I don't want to put up with it, so I expect other people don't want to put up with it either.

Personally I have a hundred new ideas a day and I just don't have time to work on all of them, but I really think this one is important because it's going to make a big difference to the gaming mouse market.

Also I really think this article will drive a lot of people to ESR, which can't be a bad thing. We could use more readers since I really want this site to have some money so that we can send people off to events. Right now we're just kinda breaking even on money but not making quite enough to pay staff like some other sites manage. Putting more focus on ESR through good articles will make all the difference.

(I've been typing non-stop for the last two days on this article, so I'm just spewing words out here, hope you get my drift anyway)

Good stuff, looking forward to the finished article.

aye i do

very nice idea. please include a recommended mice section which is based on actual performance in real lgaming usage and not on technical stuff. i'd be able to link hundreds of indian gamers to it and they'd probably believe it as it's on a big e-sports site. a lot of them spend a shitload of money on mice which are reviewed to have patented synapse technology and hyper-response precision blah blah bs. maybe you've already thought of something like this though :)

Make sure you add this article to digg.com when you're done. Will get the MAD traffic if it gets the front page :)

It's a great idea, hope it works out

Doing it for the plusses!!!

c'mon, it's tuesday...

The article is up on ESR but I locked it up for now :>

Just waiting for the guys to proof read it because I want it to be perfect before it goes live. I really want to get this big on Digg and Slashdot etc.

Shame the Death Adder won't be in it :(

Wow sounds like a lot of hard work. Looking forward to the results.

nice

wait for the deathadder!

Should be interesting!

sounds like work :)

ouch

sujoy is santa for sure! cant tell how long i ve been expecting such a review. seen some spoil in other posts, but i m pretty sure the suspence will be prisonbreakishhhh

as you are in the crazy tests, will you try mice with direct input? so we know the limit is really caused by the mouse and not some screen resolution or something like that?

( i know you hate me now ^_^ )

I can hear McFly squealing from this side of the hemisphere

cant wait..:)

finnaly i will have 1 place to link everyboday i was fighting with about what mouse is good and what mouse sux:)

really appricate the hard work sujoy

.

You should make a special "mouse" section which is easily accessible and easy (for you) to update etc.

Then when new mice are released you can get review samples and do proper mouse reviews with a "league table" style ranking which links to the reviews of each mouse or something.

Really good idea.

I WANT ROYALTIES!

esreality, where gaming meets mice

looking forward to the result ;)

where mice meet gaming reality :)

hey sujoy hows the gaming centres going on? wasnt the one in birmingham supposed to open gates in november? give us some info :)

Solicitors holding everything up. I've not posted any updates because I want to get a 100% confirmed opening date before I say anything more.

There's a lot of new material but once the Solicitors stop bickering I'll do a new big update.

Currently looking at an opening date in April 2007 but the project has gotten quite a lot bigger and more expensive.

LOOKITMICE!

Maybe a prize if anyone can name all 17...

don't waste time m8, just finish the article :D

wmo + 16 paperweights

Top row: WMO 1.1a, IE 4.0, MS/Razer Habu, Razer DB, MX300, MX518, G3, Fat 1010, ???

Bottom row: Black IE3.0, LM 6000, Razer Krait, Razer CH, MX500, G1, G5, Fat 2020

??? = *correction* it's an A4 tech, X7 series perhaps?

Wow spot on. Even the tricky ones. Nice work. Do you want to win the Saitek gaming mouse that I couldn't even test because it was so bad?

Sure, what the hell. I could always use another mouse in my collection. Might actually have fun laughing at it if it's that terrible. I think I deserve a plus too for nailing that. ;D

any chance of that MX300 now you'll never be ever ever needing it again!?

They're really hard to get hold of, not sure I want to give up the two I have here!

how much £ or ESR work would it demand?

Screw that, give him the G1 and me the mx300 ;p

Do you really want an MX300?

Eh, it's not really a big deal to be honest. My G3 is suiting me fine with the sens that I use. I also have an MX518 that I use as a backup. But if you want to send the mx300 rather than the Saitek, then be my guest.

HINT WAIT FOR THE REVIEW>>>>>!>!>!>W>!WWDIUHQRQ*(RYQSA

lol, wth is that supposed to mean?

WAIT FOR THE REVIEW BEFORE ASKING FOR A FREE MOUSE!!IADUIAHSDUAHDUAY(*AHFAS

He offered, but whatever. It's not like I need it right away.

You know what I mean! !!!!

Nobody knows what the fuck you mean. Can't understand you burgui cunts!

He means to wait until the review is done so I know which mouse has the best sensor so I can purchase the right one after the fact.

Can you dumb it down a shade?

Him say wait until mousey thingy doo done cause other him say which mouse is gooder to spend teh shinys on.

Now I get :D

Good, now plus me cause I helped you get it and because I'm just that close to being a 1337 h4x0r :D

Just because you asked nicely :P

Thnx. :)

*edit* oh dammit, it didn't push me over the edge. sigh...

Beg Sujoy or Levi240 for plusses :o

Hah, I wasn't fishing for plusses that time. Oh well, I'm sure I'll score another one here soon or whatever.

didn't take too long :)

lol, thnx guys

there.

i will have the G3 :P

Stick with your MX518 tbh, far better mouse.

not if its about shape :|

o ok

SPOILERZ!!!!! :d

greedy

McFly probably spent his evening wanking to this picture :/

hurry up slacker!!

Take a break... masturbate.

can it really llive up to all the hype?

Hah probably not but I love to milk!

Looking forward to reading it dude! esr needs to keep up with the compition and i think this will help alot :x

can't wait!

i hope the mx518 beats the ie3.0 cos that what i changed to ;)

fkin usb overclocks :<<<<

hehe sujoy, looking forward to it :D, ESR FTW, working fine now again etc :D.

Sujoy, I gots a question for you that you probably don't answer in your review that you're finishing up. Why is it that with logitech mice I'm able to consistently make a perfect horizontal line and not with microsoft mice?

Shaky hands? :)

I give up, no idea...

I don't know if it's just me but for some reason I can just make straighter lines with logitech mice (G3, mx500, mx518) rather than my microsoft mice (wmo 1.1a, IE3.0). It's just weird. Try it out some time and see if you run into the same thing.

What you do is open mspaint and draw the straightest horizontal lines you possibly can with one type. Then try it again with another and compare the two sets.

Interesting, I'll try it later.

I've just finished the article and sent it off for proofing now. Hopefully it'll come back fast and I can make it live tomorrow. Gonna sleep now.

^_^

Awesome, can't wait to read.

maybe it's the logitech drivers. have you tried it w/ and w/o?

That's possible. I'll try just plugging in my mx518 into my other computer when I get home.

let me know.

Some built in filtering on logitech mouses maybe?

dunno

Noticed the same thing with all Logitechs I tried. I could draw perfect straight lines across the screen - Impossible with any MS mouse, which is weird since I've always found MS mice to be more precise in games. My guess is Logitech optical engine uses some kind of tweak that ignores micro movements making it easier to work in paint programs. I'm almost certain about this. Try drawing a line at a very slight angle with a logitech mouse - it's next to impossible.

I can do a slight angle no problem, it's the straight line with the ms mice I just can't do for some reason.

It's been long known that the MS mice don't give you a straight line when u move them horizontally.

DeathAdder ftw :>

But why is my question. I've heard about it before, but since I knew Sujoy was making teh ultimateuberbadassmousereviewtoendallmousereviews I was curious as to if he happened to touch on that subject as obscure as it was or even if someone else knew as to why they do that.

Your hand just isn't precise enough to make pixel-perfect straight lines across the screen. So the engine does the straightening. IMO fcourse.

Do you also explain how to get the best out of a specific mouse? Thinking of software settings and surface.

There's a little bit about that. I had already got to 22 pages, so I'm saving surfaces for a different article. Also I need to get hold of more surfaces so I'll have to write to all the people who make them to send me samples.

TBH I don't know if it's going to make much difference so I'll have to take some measurements between stuff like S&S/Qpad/Plain paper etc.

Aight : ). How about mouse sizes and how they fit to the hand? I know some girl gamers who often complain about how no mice fits their hands.

I put the size/shape/buttons/wheel etc. in a boxout. I'll try to put the info together in a nice way too.

okok, sounds like you got everything under control.

lot's of girls complain about that to to me :( ....

Same, but I don't call it a mouse.

i have a MX518 and its fine (and i have tiny hands), guess it all depends on how you hold your mouse

I dunno, these girls are ~155 and ~165 cm tall so their hands are prolly smaller than normal girl hands (smaller than small)

im 153

jebus

Giant hands.

o rly =)

dirty talk by 240! the moment we've all been waiting for ;)

you aint seen nothing yet :P

so there's even something to see? :o

hey im not JUST a bot you know!

oh..sry. ur a H4x0r bot :l

I havent been keeping up on the advances of the mousers.. I'm curious on how well my mx500 stands up these days.

You will find some VERY interesting results on the MX500!

ok mouse Guru..wheres this mice review!!!

:)

I hope thats a good thing.



btw does anyone still use those ball mice anymore? Kind of miss my wingman :(

I still use a ball mouse :/

let me guess: It has less negative accel than MX518?

How did you guess that?!

I heard about that a mouse with stock 400 DPI can process the registered images [of the underground/pad] faster than an (for example) 1600-DPI mouse because of the bigger physical image it takes.
For example: A 400-DPI-mouse registers a physical image of the underground as 60x60, while the 1600-DPI-mouse registers the image as 30x30.
The 400-DPI-mouse will register 100 pictures / second of 60x60.
The 1600-DPI-mouse will register 200 pictures / second of 30x30.

Thus the 400-DPI can process the images faster than the 1600-DPI mouse -> less neg. accel.

Setting the 1600-DPI-mouse to 400 DPI won't help, because it will still take a picture of 30x30 and only upscale it to 60x60.

(The numbers are imaginary!)

This is highly theoretical and I don't know at all if this "formula" is even 50 percent correct, but it seems to apply practically.

PS: I hope you could follow me (I'm not a native speaker - u surely noticed :>)

I did find that all mice with switchable DPI simply scale down their numbers, so you don't get better performance from a 1600 DPI mouse by switching it to 400 DPI.

None of the mouse produced curved graphs in their 'sensible' area. The negative acceleration that people notice is not a curved graph but something else. When you see the article you'll see why.

It is down to the higher DPI though but not in the way you suggest.

You need a higher datapath (or whatever it is they call it) for higher DPI right?

e.g. WMO = 8bit mx518 = 16bit

not neccesarily, but bigger datapath will help against negative accel (afaik)

If you do a big movement with a 30x30 sensor then you have to process those images quicker than a slow one. If you do the same with 60x60 then you have to send them just as quick but with an 8bit datapath it might result in some getting "droped" resulting in negative acceleration or the mouse freaking out (Like the mx510 did where it would randomly point directly up/down).

That's how I've always thought of it anyway. It's like trying to put too much stuff through a pipe at the same time.

You're on the right track with data path issues.

It's probably partially the data path and partially the polling rate seeing as those are the two primary factors for data transmission.

umgomg, can't wait to hear about the fat2020 but i guess i won't order it without trying :\ and i doubt any store nearby (let alone in my country) will have it anytime soon :(

Man hurry up and proofread this biatch, can't wait to read it.

whens it up maenz?

its up right now....
My dick up your mothers arse that is....















zinnnnngggggggg

lol daney

use reply :)

Still using an mx500 here so give it to me baby:D

"Sorry, you'll have to wait until it's published..."
fs what am I admin for ;>

we don't know actually, hoping someone could tell us.

The token jew?

to follow in hitler's footsteps?

get lost you sad, sad fuck

too fat to be lost =[

where is it :(

:<

im hanging out for it

Me too :(