sorry........?
I mean, I can tell you, what the answers of 99% of the ppl here will be:

"Strafejumping rocks", "we dont care about newcomers" or just "wayne"

I dont know what you intended with this thread, but it makes no sense for me.

Wayne Brady????? Am i gonna have to choke a bitch?

not just one.......but you have to strafejump to catch them

strafe-jumping > you

i hate playing games that dont have strafe jumping, and honestly its not that hard to learn, but is hard to master.

A thought-provoking late on a so many levels short.

Strafe jumping is illogical, or rather it works unlike it looks like it should work. If someone uses a jet pack they fly thru the sky and everyone gets it, however if someone jumps they shouldn't gain speed and slide around corners.

From this perspective strafe jumping may be a repellant for new obs and players, however you don't need to strafe to win a q3 duel, especially on the level of newcomer vs newcomer and the more you master it the more rewarding it is. Unlike something 'easy' like cs which is walk, crouch and stand still which is about as rewarding as my esr betting.

why post this as news?

A minority of people want Pro-Gaming to go big, hit television, and the like. For this to happen the community is going to need newcomers.

FYP

and btw, something that enhances gameplay can per definition not be repellant.

so much wayne

i get your point
sj'ing is a repellent for newcomers ... when try to get my buddies to play q3 on LAN, i mean those who have no exp in FPS except CS, they're always like "'this a strafejump?, am i strafe jumping right now?"

i try to tell them to get a feeling for themselves, but they get bored after 2 or 3 ffa matches, 'cause i own them all the time :P

iD were (un)lucky with this bug

Nonsense. If players can't grasp strafe jumping then they're certainly not going to be able to handle the swings of getting hammered in game-which will happen if they can't do something so simple.
And will happen regardless if they play a pro.

Strafe jumping is important because it adds depth to the movement, so for the sake of a little investment at the start of the game they will then be able to develop their own style over the next few years.

If there was no strafe jumps everyone would look the same and there would be no enjoyment to the movement, which is a big part of these games.

If you can't handle strafe jumps then stick to UT or Halo.

the same thing goes with bunnying vs strafe jumping idiotnewbies

I think it could just be a mindset. I have no idea what the correct technique is for some sports, for instance triple jump, however after watching it a few times you come to know that a fast and well timed run up, the hight in the jumps etc all add up to determine how good a jump will be.
Same with strafe jumping. The more you jump the faster you move, will be the first thing a viewer notices while watching good strafe jumping, later the viewer notice, but hey there is some technique involved, how you pan your view while you jump the faster you will go, and might even notice that a circle strafe at the start will give you a greater boost.
Come to think of it, strafe jumping is a lot like running hurdles, you need to time your strides and jumps, while still maintaining the best possible speed.

0 posts? Wtf, don't stir shit if you aren't even a regular user here. Noobs that I have played with love the idea of strafe jumping and it took me only a few days for me to teach them.

0 posts? Wtf, don't stir shit if you aren't even a regular user here.

y?

Imagine walking into a catholic church and start preaching islam to them.

To have discussions with the church members is not wrong, but just coming in there is a bit offensive to say the least.

This person has never commented on anyone elses columns or journals and then deems his own opinion important enough that everyone should consider it?

I also hate it when people end something with "discuss".

lololol, you hate yourself!

ha.

but i love u <3

Strafejumping is repellent that's true. And you know what else is repellent? Getting shot in the head every time you peak around the corner. ;F

It feels natural when mastered :'<

It feels natural when mastered :'<

So true. I start moving my mouse back and forth and hammering A and D when windows takes too long to load

Damn, thought I was the only one.

strafejumping adds action in game. but its anti-newbie so every noob usually wont play the game and goes to play sit camp noob-friendly ever so boring cs

TRUE, BUT painkiller didn't have the type of movement that was impossible to get a general grip of and that didn't fare too well. The skill of the good players will show itself almost no matter how simple you make the game - it would have to be stupidly random for n0bs not to be raped, so i think the solution is better sought elsewhere.

getting owned by l33t pro wannabies is the repelant, sjing isnt the problem.

every time a new fps comes out, everyone jumps on the bandwagon, all the newbs get owned by the people who have been playing fps for a while n stop playing because its not even that fun. (ie q4 pk)

Append:

I know strafe-jumping pretty well. It's very fun, and it adds alot to a game, but I, and most people who didn't start back during Quake II/III are at an amazing disadvantage to those who did.

No, I don't have any posts, but I've lurked for a while, and lurked without an account for quite a while.

The biggest problem about strafejumping is that when you learn it, you'll FALL IN LOVE WITH IT, and every game that does not have this movement will be "empty" from your point of view.

Instead of trying to make n00bs learn to strafejump, you should make us (Quakers) "unlearn" it :D

"but I, and most people who didn't start back during Quake II/III are at an amazing disadvantage to those who did. "

You're at an experience disadvantage but learning the movement would take new players far less time than it took us because now there are speedos, tuts, demos and defrag that make learning to strafe jump really easy.

My response is simple: if Q3 hadn't had strafe jumping it'd be dead already.

i started a year or so ago playing q3.
i didn't even know about strafe jumping until i saw some post about ut kids whining about q3 strafing. so i googled it and thought it was the fuckin ballz. after i learned to strafe, i thought q3 was 100x better.

then i got into defrag and cpm. for me, strafing, osp, defrag and cpm are what make q3 stand out from every other game.

it dosnt take long to learn to strafe well.

hehe, strafe jumping made me start playing q3 from the beginning. :)

The problem is always the same: noobs should be able to play with other newcomers and not getting pwned by hardcore quakers like us.
Tutorial, guides, help from the rest of the community is all a newcomer needs to not escape in easier games and learn quake.

I introduced two friends to q3 after seeing me and my clanmate playing it during cw (they went OMG look at that o_0 and wanted to learn).
We learnt them the basics about movement, weapons, aiming and told them to play duels together or arranged matches with low skill guys. They had a hell of fun, until they couldn't meet each other due to work/study and I couldn't help them anymore finding right opponents. They got pwned 50 -4 for some days and never played it anymore. Getting started with so many skilled players in a quake game is just frustrating for a noob.