not really much too see..., no grens (instead some tweaked secondary weapons etc) and some invincible medic thats the whole vid basicly.

NO GRENADES!?!?

fail

Exactly what i was about to post

well you can see the pyro have some fun with nades ... dunno about the other classes. They probably removed the concs from the medic because they wanted the medic to be a supporter and not a "flag" carrier.

And by making him a supporter they also made it possible for him to make two people invincible...

Does Blizzard balance Valve games now?

gutted if it ain't got conc jumps

They don't even mention what the movement's going to be like.

I have to admit the new medic seems cool.

for people who are a bit more interested in TF2 ... there is also a 1.5 months old interview with robin walker which is quite interesting.

http://www.gameinformer.com/News/Story/200703...htm?Page=1

Yes. A dancing engineer. What a great way to end such an informative and interesting video.

its so damn obvious i cant believe people don't see it yet, or say it at least. valve are fucking tfc up, source style. just like they did with cs. game gonna be nuuubbb!

TFC is regarded as a noobgame by the former QWTF and q3f scene you know (or WAS, since those 2 are completely dead atm afaik) :p

That is so very, VERY true. I could never see what the big fuzz about TFC was as QWTF was so much better. Fucking tfc destroyed the whole game concept. =(

Agree - I played a lot of QWTF back in the days. I tried TFC when it came out but never liked it ..

Fuck you all TFC, TFC forever!

KFC > TFC

zing:)

i tend to find if you put the word quake before things, it instantly makes them better and 10 times more skillfull.
QuakeTiddlywinks for example has such a massive learning curve that only 3 ppl in the world know how to play it and Ronaldinho got rejected from one of the lower division QuakeFootball teams...

It had nothing to do with the name at all. Alot of the QWTF players actually tried TFC but it was so slower, without feeling and dumbed down (arrows all over bases and signs showing THIS IS THE FLAG!, THE FLAG ROOM IS AROUND THIS CORNER).

doesnt stop it from being a really good game with a massive following and which still has / had a very high skill level.
my point was that nothing ever seems good enough for quakers, despite its obvious fun and competitive level. even quakes "cousin" UT gets shat on around here simply because it isnt quake.
its a pompus belligerent attitude that doesnt solve anything or have any relevance

Once you have tasted the sweet feeling of quake genius its very hard to turn back :)

People just fell in love with the game they played first and don't like any significant changes being made to it.

That's not just a Quake thing, lots of players stuck with the first Unreal Tournament as well, every new beta release of CS had CS-fans whining, and when CS:S came out most players stuck with CS 1.6.

Create a game that seems to be based on TFC and then call it Teamfortress is utterly bullshit. Luckily Quake 1 lives on.

Indeed TFC is the totally noobified version of QWTF where people who couldnt handle the original one went to play.

loved concing in tfc, couldn't get enough of it. spent like 6months just concing pretty much.

You should have played Q3F then (and qwtf), to get some REAL concjumping then :)

ETF!

[EDIT] -- Something to watch in the meantime ...

ETF!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtchXI2hEZM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYkQAU35LwI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BWAsApOElI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxbpTTfNQzo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=autxXIr7KOg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StweLXeSKWQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0rpLHBjU9E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEpS2O3xIYk

TFC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UInsaPMTivg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCwnwpkEOf4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c6NNWi2dR8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV4cPGL0wFk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gy0QzYY0ak
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2cGPkN2ydo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMoJ0p6ILCQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0deCWQUwsg

QWTF

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zeJ_V6lTYE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAPmJD3pTmU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQIY87uUkYM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oea-_HpAS4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBr8X4PQAgw

Picture Quality is so bad I f**king hate Youtube for that.

what he said and the above him said :D

word!

clangame tonight \o/

ppl still play ETF?? i played at the start but after a week or so it seemed intrest dropped

#kgather after 21 o'clock

nice collection, [+]

That's just reminded me to upload a vid I made for the last UK TF league played in 04....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7k5y5bX0ro

err, its not like a '"zmgz skillzz" video, so don't expect TFDE or anything xD

looks nice :)

i so wanna play this :D

Judging by this video, I would guess these guys got pwned by better players back when they played team fortress :).
Grenades was one of the thing that sort of made TF unique. Not having EMP's, concussion or gas grenades is gonna suck :(.
Invincible medics sounds like sort of a noob thing as well. I am NOT impressed by the gameplay at all so far tbh.
I like the control point idea though. Almost everyone that played Canalzone for QWTF/Q3F (and possibly TFC, not sure it was made for it though), loved that map. But as a former TF player I do not have much faith in this game at all. I would love to be corrected, but if they noobiefy it as much as we've seen so far in various videos its gonna be a joke of a team fortress game.

Yeah, INVINCIBLE medics is kinda noobish. =)

we got fear 1v1 xbox360, who cares : D

haha, I was looking at pictures for team fortress 2 when I was in 7th grade... 13 years old... and now I'm turning 23 this autumn? :D

hahah yeah ... i also remember some screens where tf2 looked a lot like bf2 .... that was ages ago!

They talk alot about the medic. That it should be fun to play a supportive class. By looking at this video. It does not look that funny. You'll be the healing dog of the heavy gunner.

Who takes the medic will be important for the game, but will have the least fun I guess.

i wanna play it now =[=[

Lowering skill-level (by removing grenades) to cater to newbies. SNAFU

looks awesome, cant wait! :D

sounds like fun that could last 3 hours...

whats concing ?

Certain classes had secondary grenades called Concussion Grenades.

They basically sent an impulse pulse which physically moved players in a direction while also causing a nauseating effect on the victim(s).

However you could time the grenades and use them on yourself while jumping the same direction of the pulse, thus allowing you to cover large distances in a single-leap.

thanks ..

basically rocket jumping with grenades

watch Last Dinosaur 2 :)

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=741214

thx for the hint ... downloading it ;)

cant wait to see a stag game or a Well without grenades and that shit packed with sentrys the demoman and the HWguy , or maybe they just have 2forts wich is a 0-0 map and who gets flag first wins :D
no grenades is like removing 50% fun and leaning curve of a TF game
ggkthxbye!

heh ye, they shud just release etf as tf2, its great as it is $

couldnt agree more, ETF with cheesy graphics = pwnage

umm
wasn't this game supposed to come out 10 years ago

why care about valve. they helped kill DM, and only make newbie shit games for lazy fatasses. They're gonna kill TF too, watch.

I totally agree with you! They (valve) ain't making the "team fortress" anymore. They are just *&$%ing it up, making it more easier for the new players. And what they are currently doing sadly isn't team fortress anymore. Sure for us who have been there since qwtf or tfc ... the mod has becomed more than just graphics and the "wow" effect... too many of us have been addicted to the speed, teamplay, the "challenge"... I don't know about others, but I'm loving team fortress for what it is in qwtf (yes is, I'm still playing it! ), not what it has becomed in the hands of valve. Team fortress isnt ment for consoles. Personally I am really! dissapointed in valve after watching this video. Sadly they have been consentrating too much on the "how to make the game more newbie friendly" than the team fortress itself :-(.

Makes sense to simplify the gameplay. Works a whole lot easier on the consoles, and it'll make people bored of it and wanting something else by the time Ep3 comes out.

i haven't really played TF, but from what i've seen in QWTF & ETF frag movies the grenades made the game look boring. stop whining already

You can't value the game just by watching the movies! And besides the movies show only the good moments or bad ;-) depends on the movie, heh. But if you look "behind the scene" how that moment was even made possible - you see the game. And you can't see it by watching movies... By the way your post is pathedic already from the beggining: your stating i haven't really played TF, ... and then wraping it up by typing stop whining already. Uhmm.. if so, then sorry but do you even have a voice the make just decisions? .. I think not, you have to play the game by yourself at the first place.

i played TF only with bots (QWTF & ETF)

i know frag movies aren't really that relevant.. but seeing all classes using the grenades was kinda boring and was diminishing class importance

i still can't understand why people want basically the same game over and over again..

you have grenades in QWTF, TFC, Q3F, ETF. play that!

what would be the point for a new game with the same gameplay aproach as another 4 mods?

what would be the point for a new game with the same gameplay aproach as another 4 mods?

Better visuals, sounds etc...

Care?

so basicly everyone who hasnt played TF should just shut the fuck up? mmm and why is the community in qw:tf q3f and ETF dead if the game is so addictive like you say? dont misunderstand me ... i think all three games are really good but the fact alone that TFC is still more active than all of this three together says enough i think.

tf w/o grenades is like quake w/o a rocket launcher. it's just not right and completely fucks up the game.

last time i checked TF was about classes and not about grenades..

plus TF2 has rocket jumping (reserved to one class). i think this is better since only ONE class has a movement advantage of this type making the class system really count.

you won't get random classes flying around with grenades boosts for no reason regarding gameplay consistency..

First place I was talking to Aquashark, not everyone who hasn't played TF. Secondly I'm not saying he should "shut the fuck up" like most of us would say i prefer. I'm saying that showing that the game sucks by just looking at some movies and not even playing it is stupid. It's like if I would say that (I don't know...) Warcraft is bullshit, thou I havent played it. I presume these guys like Aquashark are overreacting by their first imperssion about the game.
Answering your questions... why are the communities dead, well maybe because for most of the people quake 1 is too old. They want something newer, for example like quake4 etc. I know nothing about q3f because I havent played it - never will. And ETF, hmm maybe because people just can't learn the new tricks, gameplay, tactics of the new game. People want to become "gods" in an instant, too much of "point and click" games nowadays and TF isn't one of those. And finally TFC, been there done that ;-) too, it was interesting to play it but because there were not many active players in my country I stopped playing current game. And theres just no point of coming back since ... well I'm sure we all now why. As for "sticking to one game/mod", everyone has his favourites. You may call them geeks, freeks whatever... but in my opinion they are just those who really value the game. They enjoy every single moment of the game at least thats what I'm doing when I'm playing qwtf <3.

Peace!

so where all this whine about grenades does fit in?

you answered pretty well: "people just can't learn the new tricks, gameplay, tactics of the new game."

again: stop whining about grenades, learn the new game as it is..

if you like it play it, if you don't stick to QWTF, TFC, ETF, Q3F or whatever TF flavour you like..

(pfft.. people think TF is about grenades and that's laughable..)

I haven't said anything about grenades or have I (please show me if so)? As a team fortress player In My Opinion Valve is just going in the wrong way. I guess this is the difference in the views of new players vs. more experienced players, thats it... I think it is rather pointless to argue with you. Yes, oldschool & etc, etc... Some players come and go.. some of us come and stay. I guess I'm from the second group (heh, don't look at my nick at the moment, ;-)). Sure I believe you are finding the TF2 very interesting mod, well good luck playing it - I hope you like it, but for me it isn't team fortress that Valve is trying to create.

"They want something newer, for example like quake4 etc..." Not again? There has been q3f and even ETF which is for free and still both games are dead.

And look at the qw community for example. I remember when q3 was released some people in the qw community were like "put qw gameplay into q3 and it will be the perfect game". On the other side 7 years later there are clients with nice gfx like ezquake or FTE and quite a lot players prefer to play with oldschool software rendering clients.

Point is that i dont think an old game packed into a new engine will have any success.

I have my own reasons why I don't play ETF anymore or didn't even look at q3f - it's kind of Off Topic so I won't explain. As for the oldschool clients.. Even I play qwtf with qw262 client! I don't care about those fuh's, ezq's and so on. Coming back to the topic of our discussion... art-hoshi read my reply to Commecnt #53, the Valve is going in the wrong direction, making a "valve-team-fortress-not" of it's kind. Oh well, for new players definetly yes, but for experienced I guess not.
FIN.

Think its active due to halflife being one of the biggest selling games of all time, its the reason why cs took off as well imo

if you want grenades, mod them and stop whining ;)

or play fortress forever when it comes out ;)

Well, this certianly looks like another game down the drain.

It was obvious they're not so much into the game right when they went "ye it was spammy, we don't find spam skilled, we don't like it, let's remove it so the newb knows where he got shot from"... I suppose they put in a lot of snipers and other hitscan stuff to make it really nice *cough*

well, ...

agreed

no forts ? :)

too hardcore

i challenge you to a 1v1 on q3f_fuckdon

where's my mind today =|

looks nice. btw hoshi, theres still warsow if tf2 gonna suxx :D...so keep a cool head ;)

warsow is dead :)

no grenades? big deal, im sure there will be something else players can exploit to enhance the gameplay, at least its got rocket jumps. sometimes i wonder whether you guys understand what a sequel is

so i guess a sequel is about removing stuff that made fun/skilled? and i thought u where suppose to add stuff not remove them... stupid bluder :/

no grenades? big deal, im sure there will be something else players can exploit to enhance the gameplay

looks good, looking forward to playing it

There is no TF2, it's all a scam.

Ok let's get something straight. CS is still played by a lot for one reason, it's popular! It's so easy to find a game and you can play whenever. It also caters to beginners.

I love skilled games but let's face it, Q3 and Q4 ain't so fun anymore because it's sooo hard to find a game. No one freaking plays it anymore.

I'm looking forward to TF2. As long as many people will pick it up it will be fun since it will be easy to find a server with players, it will be easy to organize a clan game and so on.

Being able to play a fun game is a lot more fun than not being able to play a great game. Flame on...

imo they should change the name or somehting, since tf2 is a noobed version of tfc wich is a noobed version of qwtf. its just not really tf anymore.

zomg! have you played TF2? :|

some people have the weirdest of expectancies about some games.. they want it to be just like the game before..
where's the logic in that? play QWTF.. does anyone stop you?

http://www.customtf.com/

TF2 will be more user friendly or otherwise it will fail

i mean look at ETF:
- nice clean graphics, decent artwork & design
- lots of maps for lots of gametypes
- nice menu interface
- custom HUDs, bots etc.
- it is FREE!

and just a handful of people plays it.. WTF? :|

TF without conc jumping is like masturbating with no hands, it's just useless.

depends on ur girl's mouth

.

his own mouth then? :D but then technically it doesn't sound appealing anymore :D

On the contrary, it sounds very appealing, it's just physically not possible.

depends if you're into gymnastics I guess :(

looking forward to it :)

bullshit

woot, still love the style. just too bad it's from valve (=no linux version) so another game i'm missing out D:

i like how they don't just bring an improved version graphical wise of tfc but hate the old maps :/ NEW STUFF PLEASE

The problem with gameplay videos is that the person playing is always shit. They just tend to play within the constraints that the developer has put and not experiment with what's possible.

Like, christ, the scout that didn't jump a single time? If they have indeed given some classes movement abilities, then it might work. Although I still shudder every time I hear that they're making an MP game for a console.

i want concs :-(

What's next? Remove nades from CS too? bah

Although I agree that nades are one of the funnest parts of fortress games, the gameplay simply NEEDS to be made simpler if its to have any sort of a large player base. When ETF came out it was near impossible getting new players into it because of the skill difference between existing and new players.

I think ETF or TF in generell needs a newbie gamemode and an advanced gamemode.

So that after playing well on newb servers you'll get automaticly some sort of feeling that you want to go a step further. More tricks more concs more style.

i dont know of a game where this was implemented with success :/

usually you have the problem that "good" players will havoc newbie servers.

Not comparing it to anything else the game actually looks fun to play. However, I did wish for better map interactivity, as now the maps look pretty much stale.

Heh TF without grenades... bit weird but hopefully it works!

*crosses finger, toes, arms, legs, eyes*

Another news about TF2 (more for developers)

http://www.golem.de/0705/52290.html

german but you can play the videos.

i want info about the movement physics please. especially scout. in that clip at 1minute 50seconds it seems like the scout either jumps on top of water or does a doublejump (UT style) over that water pit...

- will there be bunnyhopping ?
as in can you jump repeatedly while gaining speed? or at least while NOT losing speed.

- will there be air control?
can you steer in the air as in QW/CPM/TFC etc?

ive read in another interview that the scout will have doublejumps which are executed ut2k3/4 style

This clip was sort of cool and funny however :p
http://www.fz.se/filer/download.fz?id=3067&am...E3ZDczNWJh
tf2 vid of the hwguy

#kgather for the rest active ETF players who like to play TF :-)