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Fighting games revival - GGPO.net (50 comments)

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Posted by Aquashark @ 13:26 CDT, 8 July 2007 - iMsg

GGPO.net stands for Good Game, Peace Out and it is an online matchmaking system for fighting games.

it still is in alpha stage of development and the idea behind it is to provide a very good netcode that will prevent the games of having input lag which is crucial to fighting games.

somehow the netcode is outstanding and has some great magical algorithms implemented.. you can play from Europe with American players and have a good responsive game. (Kaillera or other similar systems have nothing on this)

currently, in this development stage, there are two games supported:
Street Fighter Alpha 2 and Marvel vs Capcom. devs opted for only one game at the moment in order to iron out all the bugs within the GGPO Client before implementing more games.

to get things going follow the few easy steps in this Installation Guide.
you'll need to Signup first into the online system.
you will need of course the SFA2 rom, of which you should ask Google ;)

the GGPO Client has a game lobby and a worldmap on which players are pinpointed according to their IP (usually in the form of city and country).

there are few players from Europe at the moment which i try to change right now, but i predict a big revival of fighting games once the system will be polished.. this year should boom with activity if all goes well, especially with new features like ranking, spectating etc. :)

all of this having been said, Good Game & Peace Out :D

PS: i'm looking forward on playing ESR members, making some sort of weekend minicups wouldn't hurt either -> discuss :)

PS2: thanks to tzz for discovering this

Edited by Aquashark at 03:10 CDT, 1 November 2007 - 17478 Hits

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<< Comment #1 @ 13:52 CDT, 8 July 2007 >>

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Aquashark '

other screenies

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Edited by Aquashark at 13:53 CDT, 8 July 2007

<< Comment #2 @ 15:10 CDT, 8 July 2007 >>

By $\0/$ V-DecK

looks good, I'll give it a try :)

<< Comment #3 @ 15:14 CDT, 8 July 2007 >>

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Were you having any latency problems at all? What happens when you do lag, does the game automagically compensate or does the game hiccup for a second, then the next you're dead?

<< Comment #4 @ 15:24 CDT, 8 July 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #3

the only problem online with 2D fighting games was input lag, so when you have lag there is a delay between your controller and the fighter you control

the game with GGPO Client does some sort of frameskipping without being too obvious on medium-high pings.. i have no idea how it works in detail, but it works

there's an article on Kotaku with some good comments regarding the system..

<< Comment #5 @ 15:43 CDT, 8 July 2007 >>

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Space Cowboy - Reply to #4

Aye, that's actually where I first saw it like a week or so back. But I have some friends who are unbelievably die-hard SF players and lag would be a big barrier to entry. Still, looks like it's worth a shot, I've already sent the link to them and expect to hook up shortly. :>

<< Comment #6 @ 02:26 CDT, 9 July 2007 >>

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Jamerio :

They should probably start with super Turbo because from Alpha 1 the animation became a lot more fluid in this series so it would be considerably easier to notice problems.

The older versions looked a lot framier so it would be harder to notice.

Might bring my Guy and Sodom out of retirement :)

<< Comment #7 @ 02:42 CDT, 9 July 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #6

i think they actually want to see how the netcode acts for a more fluid CPS2 game.. with CPS2 games working good, CPS1 shouldn't pose any problems :)

<< Comment #13 @ 06:30 CDT, 9 July 2007 >>

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tzz - Reply to #6

The problem with ST is that it's going to be released in a few months, and the devs probably don't want to upset Capcom.

<< Comment #8 @ 04:33 CDT, 9 July 2007 >>

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Why does this post keep jumping forums? Now it's a journal. :P

Anyway, your Google link doesn't provide any results, but I think this might. Can you confirm if the results (particularly the first one) provide the correct copy of the ROM?

<< Comment #9 @ 04:35 CDT, 9 July 2007 >>

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Space Cowboy - Reply to #8

Also, can't wait till they use Super Turbo. :>

<< Comment #10 @ 04:56 CDT, 9 July 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #8

the Google link works for me at least :/

and i inteded to make this an article, but it wouldn't appear in the Articles space at the top on the main page.

i asked Nicky to move it in my journal since it's easier to spot, rather than being buried by lame comments on photo galleries :)

<< Comment #11 @ 05:23 CDT, 9 July 2007 >>

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Space Cowboy - Reply to #10

:<

But anyway, regarding the search I put, is that the correct version (13.9MB)? Thanks. :>

<< Comment #12 @ 06:25 CDT, 9 July 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #11

yepp, ~14 MB

some zips may be compressed with different compression ratios hence the difference

<< Comment #14 @ 06:32 CDT, 9 July 2007 >>

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tzz

Move List for SFA2

Also don't quit just because people own you. SFA2 is a pretty hardcore game and, like Quake, takes time to learn.

Let's get a nice European community in GGPO!

<< Comment #15 @ 06:56 CDT, 9 July 2007 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #14

Yeah SFA2 is about equiv of something like Quake 8 so :)

Just list who you use, which character is giving you a hard time I'm sure you'll get some good tips here.

There was also a version of Alpha 2 for the snes, it came out RIGHT at the end, I forgot about it. Was pretty amazing, though felt a little sluggish.

BARGAIN
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/STREET-FIGHTER-ALPHA-2-...dZViewItem

Edited by Jamerio at 07:03 CDT, 9 July 2007

<< Comment #26 @ 13:50 CDT, 10 July 2007 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #15

what about sonic on the snes? get that off ebay n all?

<< Comment #27 @ 13:57 CDT, 10 July 2007 >>

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Ignignokt - Reply to #26

It was totally better on the snes!

<< Comment #16 @ 10:20 CDT, 9 July 2007 >>

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The lag against international players makes me cry. :<

GG though, Aqua :>

<< Comment #17 @ 10:48 CDT, 9 July 2007 >>

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Space Cowboy - Reply to #16

Oh by the way, you were asking for some Chun-Li custom combos - found this video of a Japanese final with Chun vs. Chun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m3SybZ85jc

<< Comment #18 @ 11:13 CDT, 9 July 2007 >>

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tzz - Reply to #17

The standard Chun-Li CC is pretty easy:

Lvl 1 and 2: c.HK, rising kicks, rising kicks, rising kicks
Lvl 3: c.HK, lightining kicks, rising kicks at the end

<< Comment #21 @ 06:36 CDT, 10 July 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #18

thanks :D
they do miracles when you pull them off..

raging idiots are starting to flood the gates :D

<aquashark> gg senza
<Senza> staquashark i hope all your fucking family dies of cancer
<aquashark> lol?
<Senza> never seen such lamer with so luck
<aquashark> ...
<aquashark> dude
<aquashark> it's called: good game, peace out
<aquashark> if you can't handle it..

<< Comment #22 @ 08:45 CDT, 10 July 2007 >>

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tzz - Reply to #21

haha, i've seen a pair of those these past days. Chun-Li is the ultimate raging character :P

I still have problems deciding when to activate the CC. I just don't find the right opportunity against turtling players :( And I have problems against ASF, the guy is just too good for me xD

<< Comment #29 @ 15:44 CDT, 10 July 2007 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #22

TBH I would not bother with the super unless it's a dead cert or its someone easy like Ken Ryu.

Sacrifice them for Alpha blocks instead and use the outcome of those for positioning and following up attacks such as a cross over, or an over head.
If he's a turlter, make him paranoid, throw the fucker, he'll soon be forced to play less defense. If you anticipate a throw reversal go into a mini dragon punch or something to really make him think he's in trouble whether he blocks or attacks.

Either that or post a video of a typical game and I'll tell you why you lost.

<< Comment #30 @ 15:50 CDT, 10 July 2007 >>

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tzz - Reply to #29

Sacrifice a CC that can deal up to 40% damage (lvl 1, lvl 3 is up to 80%) for an AC? I don't think so.

It depends on who I play, I have problems (and I mean problems landing CCs) when playing turtling players because they rarely stand for more than a few frames, so I can't land the Valle CC on them. Instead, I have to try to jump in and CC, which is obviously a lot easier to break even with normal moves.

Still, I got it covered against shotos (who happen to be 80% of the people on GGPO), but it's not as easy against, let's say, Sodom or a good Rolento.

Edited by tzz at 15:51 CDT, 10 July 2007

<< Comment #32 @ 05:41 CDT, 12 July 2007 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #30

My point was when you're playing a good player a lot of the time the gameplay is very tick based.

While huge combos are flashy and can do big damage a good player will seldom give you the opportunity to do such a move so simple things like a leg sweeps or overhead attacks are often the things that will win you a game.
Pressure tactics in the corners, a cheap throw here and there etc. Alpha Counter/blocks whatever allow me to get out of being pressured and put me back on the other guy.

I'll give you a game in a few days or so, you use your custom combos and you'll see what I mean when you find you won't be able to land them.

Lasrly, any fool can play a shoto player, that's why they are so popular because thye are quite effective without a huge investment of skill.

The reason you struggle against a Sodom or a Rolento is simply because you need to be skilled use such characters so the people who play such characters are generally experienced enough and probably play a fairly tight game, like I said against such people the damage comes from the bread and butter shots, not wishing on a star and hoping you land a big super of some kind. It might happen now and again but 8/10 it's not goign to.

Edited by Jamerio at 05:48 CDT, 12 July 2007

<< Comment #33 @ 18:37 CDT, 12 July 2007 >>

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tzz - Reply to #32

I don't know, I think it's like a game of chance the thing with Valle CCs. Risk and reward and that kind of things: ACs aren't risky, but the reward is also very little. CCs on the other side do big damage, but landing one isn't easy against someone who knows what he's doing.

Hope to see you on GGPO some day ;)

<< Comment #25 @ 13:27 CDT, 10 July 2007 >>

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Space Cowboy - Reply to #21

One of my friends says the server crashed a few hours ago because some guy came in and just started spamming chat. :<

<< Comment #28 @ 13:58 CDT, 10 July 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #25

yeah that whiny Darth guy.. always gets raged :D

<< Comment #19 @ 11:33 CDT, 9 July 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #17

thanks a lot :D

now if only i can buy a decent gamepad to activate the Custom Combos consistently :)))

<< Comment #20 @ 13:43 CDT, 9 July 2007 >>

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Space Cowboy - Reply to #19

I know what you mean, I can't pull them off even when the lag is good. :<

<< Comment #23 @ 10:00 CDT, 10 July 2007 >>

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BooTes - Reply to #20

Good lag? Lag is never good!

<< Comment #24 @ 13:24 CDT, 10 July 2007 >>

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Space Cowboy - Reply to #23

Meant latency. :P

<< Comment #31 @ 08:51 CDT, 11 July 2007 >>

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ReapZ

Thanks for putting this on esr Aqua

I've been playing it last few days and i'm enjoying it quite a bit, even if i am a bit of noob at it right now, getting their tho :P

You can find me online as Srogar most of the day if anyone is up for some games :)

<< Comment #34 @ 09:34 CDT, 21 September 2007 >>

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koekie

\o/
I like it, even though I suck major donkey balls.

<< Comment #35 @ 11:52 CDT, 21 September 2007 >>

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fag with no name - Reply to #34

what does donkey balls taste like?

<< Comment #36 @ 14:00 CDT, 21 September 2007 >>

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koekie - Reply to #35

Chicken

<< Comment #37 @ 17:08 CDT, 19 October 2007 >>

By

unihumi

If I wouldn't be so shite at fighting games, I would try it

<< Comment #38 @ 20:53 CDT, 19 October 2007 >>

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tbone

Dude you seem to know about this, I am having trouble doing moves with two of the directions "removed" on a keyboard, mainly / and \, is there anyway to specify these as actual keys in the game?

<< Comment #39 @ 02:06 CDT, 20 October 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #38

are you referring to moves with diagonals?

Ryu's Hadouken: D,DF,F + P
on keyboard you do only D, F + P (Down, Forward + Punch)

Ryu's Shakunetsu Hadoken (Red Fireball): F,DF,D,DB,B + P
on keyboard you do F,D,B + P (Forward, Down, Back + Punch)

<< Comment #40 @ 02:53 CDT, 21 October 2007 >>

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tbone - Reply to #39

Yes I know what you mean, but what I mean is that you can't just press D and F, you need to press D, D+F together, F + P for the Hadouken.

Edited by tB0nE at 02:54 CDT, 21 October 2007

<< Comment #41 @ 04:33 CDT, 21 October 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #40

no.. i just press D,F+P (like Sub Zero's ice in MK)
that's it.

<< Comment #42 @ 07:32 CDT, 21 October 2007 >>

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tbone - Reply to #41

Hmmm, well I tried it out after you told me, but it still doesn't work, but I will play a bit with it when I get home, I should get a joypad anyway.

<< Comment #43 @ 02:27 CDT, 1 November 2007 >>

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cp4c

has the ggpo.net site been closed?

<< Comment #44 @ 03:07 CDT, 1 November 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #43

no.. has been restructured: http://ggpo.net/blog/online/

<< Comment #45 @ 03:23 CDT, 1 November 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #43

also newer details about GGPO here: http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1455077

<< Comment #46 @ 06:01 CDT, 1 November 2007 >>

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cp4c - Reply to #45

ahh sweet, cheers bro.

<< Comment #47 @ 14:09 CDT, 1 November 2007 >>

By

Vajra

Hmm.

Been playing some sfa2 with winkawaks for some time now.

I should try this ggpo thingy out, but I gotta get a pad or preferrably a stick before I start playing against other ppl, the kb is just iffy :E

<< Comment #48 @ 14:24 CDT, 1 November 2007 >>

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Anonymous (c211-28-127-142.eburwd3.vic.optusnet.com.au)

I'd talk it up all the way down here in aus but im sure i can beat almost all of you in SFA2

<< Comment #49 @ 16:06 CDT, 1 November 2007 >>

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koekie - Reply to #48

Why don't you try it then? :]
Post back some replays!

<< Comment #50 @ 17:28 CDT, 2 November 2007 >>

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cp4c

could any one here do the "Half Freeze " or the " Full Freeze" on the old SF2?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2D9FsTyypE

Edited by cp4c at 17:55 CDT, 2 November 2007

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