ESR - Console Pro-Gaming? not on ESR..

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noctis

go away.

<< Comment #2 @ 07:20 CDT, 10 August 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #1

mmno

<< Comment #3 @ 07:25 CDT, 10 August 2007 >>

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Nicky

anyone can post news, feel free :P

<< Comment #4 @ 07:29 CDT, 10 August 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #3

i think i will.. just testing the public reaction here

Edited by Aquashark at 07:29 CDT, 10 August 2007

<< Comment #5 @ 07:50 CDT, 10 August 2007 >>

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becks - Reply to #4

of course the response will be good at first cause trolling will hit you harder after you put lots of work in it :P

<< Comment #6 @ 08:09 CDT, 10 August 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #5

haha.. i remember when signing up @ ESR i had the best intentions.. the next thing i know is i got sucked into mild trolling myself :/

well bring it on!!

<< Comment #9 @ 08:31 CDT, 10 August 2007 >>

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becks - Reply to #6

nah, i'd rather let the pros have a go :]

<< Comment #18 @ 12:17 CDT, 10 August 2007 >>

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Nicky - Reply to #4

they will hate it ofc... but what the hell go for it :P

<< Comment #7 @ 08:19 CDT, 10 August 2007 >>

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randomness666

only console pro-gaming i can agree is 1on1 fighters, all others with semi-autoaim and stuff is comparable to WOW-PROGAMING which is a fucking big joke all who supports that should die in a sea of fire and after that getting ass-raped by every possible gay person in whole planet and then be dismembered and burned.

Edited by Danski at 08:21 CDT, 10 August 2007

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<< Comment #12 @ 11:08 CDT, 10 August 2007 >>

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Antigen07 - Reply to #7

more violence o/

<< Comment #26 @ 16:34 CDT, 10 August 2007 >>

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link - Reply to #7

cry me a riiiiiiveeer

<< Comment #82 @ 08:24 CDT, 7 May 2009 >>

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blaze - Reply to #7

You Sir don't know what you're talking about.
I have played against the worlds top FEAR players(on xbox) and I consider myself a quite frequent fps-player (both on consoles and PC). I didn't have a chance against these players. They tore me apart basically.
With someone telling you the basics of the game and why the players are doing this and that FEAR was really enjoyable.

<< Comment #84 @ 18:56 CDT, 9 May 2009 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #82

You don't know what you're talking about because the top fear player was a PC player. I played him loads in Doom 3, good player, but nowhere near top Quake 3 OSP talent and never placed high in the big Doom 3 tourneys.

Someone can only be considered a good console player if they don't have PC history. And if you don't have PC history then you're crap despite how good your game might make you look. At least in the world of FPS compared to pc players.

Edited by Jamerio at 19:06 CDT, 9 May 2009

<< Comment #8 @ 08:21 CDT, 10 August 2007 >>

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jaffeh

i have no interest in console gaming, but bless you for trying

<< Comment #10 @ 09:54 CDT, 10 August 2007 >>

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Torzelan '

Sirlin = awesome.

Beat 'em up competitions = awesome.

Consoles = awesome (only for games, and only if they are not FPS or RTS games, and only because mouse and keyboard is still ultra rare).

<< Comment #85 @ 04:05 CDT, 10 May 2009 >>

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ashr - Reply to #10

yea Sirlin's great but I don't entirely agree with his HDR changes.

<< Comment #11 @ 10:07 CDT, 10 August 2007 >>

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By $\0/$ V-DecK

I actually follow evo myself.

<3 fighting games.

<< Comment #13 @ 11:49 CDT, 10 August 2007 >>

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skint

id like to hear more stuff about console games here, mainly beat em ups, but then whatever else also driving games maybe forza 2?

<< Comment #14 @ 11:51 CDT, 10 August 2007 >>

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randomness666 - Reply to #13

driving games are lame.... zzzZZZZzzzzZZZZzzzz

<< Comment #16 @ 12:04 CDT, 10 August 2007 >>

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By $\0/$ V-DecK - Reply to #14

Except for trackmania nations.

<< Comment #17 @ 12:06 CDT, 10 August 2007 >>

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randomness666 - Reply to #16

thats really gay game tbh

<< Comment #19 @ 12:22 CDT, 10 August 2007 >>

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By $\0/$ V-DecK - Reply to #17

no it's not.........

<< Comment #21 @ 12:30 CDT, 10 August 2007 >>

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randomness666 - Reply to #19

yup, it is

<< Comment #23 @ 13:24 CDT, 10 August 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #19

all driving games are boring.. except maybe the destruction derby types like Flatout, Carmageddon.. still they don't make very good e-sports

if you want racing that takes skill and is competitive: play Defrag!

<< Comment #24 @ 13:27 CDT, 10 August 2007 >>

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By $\0/$ V-DecK - Reply to #23

It's just the skill level of trackmania nations that actually makes me say "wow" sometimes. I mean one little mistake and that's it, you lose. I do agree that most simulation driving games are boring though.

<< Comment #15 @ 11:58 CDT, 10 August 2007 >>

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viaIImaximus

Can't say I miss console progaming...

<< Comment #20 @ 12:23 CDT, 10 August 2007 >>

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Aquashark '

alos the advantage of fighting games is that you can play some of them on PC too, not only on consoles.. like the Street Fighter series, which is the most important anyway

i wonder if they allow keyboard in tournies? you have to be pretty clueless to use one anyway on that level ^_^

they were supposed to give shirts like this to whoever won a round against the pros and because no one could win they made the pros play with one hand :D

<< Comment #22 @ 13:04 CDT, 10 August 2007 >>

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thelawenforcer '

seems interesting, but i would only want the big news, and not the everyday stuff...

<< Comment #25 @ 16:08 CDT, 10 August 2007 >>

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Drexciyian

Consoles are the future of progaming

If i was a sponsor and i had to choose between giving my money to a game like quake(or even worse pk) who has a player base of 2-6k or gears of war which has 100,000s i know where my money would go

<< Comment #30 @ 02:22 CDT, 11 August 2007 >>

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fern - Reply to #25

whats progaming

<< Comment #27 @ 17:49 CDT, 10 August 2007 >>

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dadS

all my console mates rage about pads...... I'll laugh my tits of when they go keyboard and mouse, they will jizz all over the spot even though they think it sux atm.

if in doubt fuck em

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<< Comment #53 @ 17:17 CDT, 12 August 2007 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #27

i like this man

<< Comment #28 @ 19:02 CDT, 10 August 2007 >>

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s1k

sf2, maybe some snk fighters or other oldschool games and gameplay..

pls no fps
pls no 3d fighters, especially not tekken or similar
pls no slow or realistic racing games, maybe wipeout or mariokart like are ok

there are enough sites which write about new hyped games
and their tournaments around. stick to more classic gameplay
tournaments and scene !!

<< Comment #41 @ 15:01 CDT, 11 August 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #28

the realistic 3d fighters are like CS -> plain boring

Edited by Aquashark at 15:01 CDT, 11 August 2007

<< Comment #29 @ 22:54 CDT, 10 August 2007 >>

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Liam

HADOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUKEN

<< Comment #31 @ 05:49 CDT, 11 August 2007 >>

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trinion

as soon as there is keyboard/mouse support i'll probably grab a xbox/ps3 and check out some of the games ... UT3 is going into the right direction (keyboard/mouse support on ps3 ... play against pc users) but there are still too many pussy companies like bungee who are afraid of porting there game imediatly to the pc and/or adding keyboard/mouse support because then the majority of there idiotic userbase would get fuckining assraped!

<< Comment #32 @ 07:37 CDT, 11 August 2007 >>

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By $\0/$ V-DecK - Reply to #31

I don't think that bungee are afraid, it's more that they know more people will be using the 360 controller. When it comes into high demand expect to see more games going mouse and keyboard for console, but most likely it won't. A great comment on a site I saw was:

"I'm glad we (xbox360 players) use control pads and i'm glad we there is no crossplatform play for gears of war. Who wants to play some pc player who lives in his moms basement and says "pwned" because he uses a century old keyboard and mouse, they need to move on with the times."

Send in the lulz

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Amp - Reply to #32

"I'm glad we (R/C Car Drivers) use remote sticks and i'm glad we there is no crossplatform racing for stock cars. Who wants to race some real car driver who lives in his moms basement and says "pwned" because he uses a century old steering wheel and pedals, they need to move on with the times."

Edited by Amp at 20:59 CDT, 11 August 2007

<< Comment #33 @ 09:16 CDT, 11 August 2007 >>

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GreenBastard

i wish there was more pc quake news on this site and less crap like this

esr still rolling down that slope

<< Comment #34 @ 09:28 CDT, 11 August 2007 >>

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By $\0/$ V-DecK - Reply to #33

The whole world of gaming doesn't revolve around Quake.

Feed your quake needs

<< Comment #44 @ 15:42 CDT, 11 August 2007 >>

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GreenBastard - Reply to #34

nice site ta :)

<< Comment #36 @ 11:50 CDT, 11 August 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #33

i wish esr was more about diversity and less nazis like you

it's your problem you're 15 and you can't relate to the golden age of arcades or have an irrational hate for consoles

Edited by Aquashark at 12:08 CDT, 11 August 2007

<< Comment #43 @ 15:41 CDT, 11 August 2007 >>

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GreenBastard - Reply to #36

15 i wish :0

never said i have anything against consoles, play on them with mates most weekends

<< Comment #35 @ 11:05 CDT, 11 August 2007 >>

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det5

TIGER UPPERCUT!!!!

<< Comment #37 @ 12:36 CDT, 11 August 2007 >>

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Aquashark '

i want this on the first page, instead of watching n00bs autoaiming in Halo or pretending to play guitar:

Evo Moment #37

<< Comment #38 @ 12:39 CDT, 11 August 2007 >>

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TER

wehehehhe, a real formula 1 console championchip would be realy realy funny.

<< Comment #39 @ 14:16 CDT, 11 August 2007 >>

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mefajpE^

That's why I don't like that much GGL page. Too much crappy-console/hip-pop/uninteresting/games-who-cares stuff there imo. Almost half of the news are for me like "who cares #1, #2" etc. I only go there because of the interesting atricles/previews/interviews.

For instance:

Warner vs. Warcraft 1v1 PvP
Naked slave girls delayed until 2008
Penny Arcade Expo schedule announced
CheapyD subpoenaed over PlayStation 3 price drop leak
EA embraces more of the casual with Hasbro
Update: Only European PS3 version of Stranglehold delayed
Silicon Knights vs. Epic: the update
Archaeological evidence for the existence of iPhone games

= CRAP.

Edited by mefajpe^ at 15:02 CDT, 11 August 2007

<< Comment #40 @ 14:55 CDT, 11 August 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #39

yes, that's why fighting games should be more represented here since they are generally more interesting, they have a great history and require skill

Edited by Aquashark at 15:00 CDT, 11 August 2007

<< Comment #42 @ 15:05 CDT, 11 August 2007 >>

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mefajpE^ - Reply to #40

No.

eSports = FPP (Quake, CS (major), ET, CoD, UT, Warsow (minor)), RTS (WC3 (boring game), SC <3), and far below these sports games (Fifa).

For me console gaming will never become an eSport platform (overall).

And best fighting game is still Mortal Kombat Trilogy :-).

Edited by mefajpe^ at 15:06 CDT, 11 August 2007

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #42

> For me console gaming will never become an eSport platform (overall).

says who? console gaming is an esport platform already, only that the wrong titles get publicity and people like you have no clue what's going on as far as console gaming goes.

take Evo tournament in the US for example: has been running since 2002 and organized by a solid community formed around shoryuken.com with a qualifier tour much like any serious organization (Evo East, West, North, South.. and of course Finals).

..or SBO yearly tournament from Japan who has an even better organization (and even qualifiers in Europe):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKti8qWxvqk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwdhVwqT2FU

and what do you mean by "overall"? yes, not all console titles are competitive, but neither all the PC titles are.

> And best fighting game is still Mortal Kombat Trilogy :-).

...

i don't think you could have given a worse example.

<< Comment #47 @ 02:25 CDT, 12 August 2007 >>

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Drexciyian - Reply to #42

Thats bullshit, just there onlien tech is 10 years behind, you know console games out sell pc games something like 15:1 ? sports can only be as big as the amount of spectators, the only pc game that can contend with console games in that respect is cs

<< Comment #48 @ 08:21 CDT, 12 August 2007 >>

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thelawenforcer ' - Reply to #47

hmm, maybe, but what we are seeing is that consoles are really becoming living room PC's. Literally. Cross platform is the way these things will go sooner or later. So no longer will it be PC'ers vs Consolers, but we will all be gamers. Some genres will require more unique input styles such as RTS's or even FPS's as we know a joypad isnt enough to truly differentiate players in these genres.

Another problem is whether Console's can support them selves.

So far, id say the answer to that is NO. Why? If you look at an event which features Xboxes on a large scale, you can bet your fat ass that microsoft will be a main sponsor, for instance at CGS, or WCG. I think the MLG is an exception to that rule, because they hold tournies on several consoles.

The fact is, that large amounts of sponsoring in physical sports relates back to the sport itself, something that applies to PC's, but not consoles so much.

I don't see one discipline towering over the over, but more a progressive merger...I think this would benefit everybody...

<< Comment #49 @ 12:18 CDT, 12 August 2007 >>

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Vajra

One on One fighting games are console esports, period.

Just because they aren't popular over here/you have never played them is no reason to diss them re: the "kill yourself " etc.. spam

/me moans the death of Finnish arcades :(

Much closer to [insert yout flavor of quake] 1v1 than Halo or Guitar Hero etc will ever be

Sf2 Turbo or if you want to go into the realm of 3d, Virtua Fighter.

Edited by sleipnir at 12:19 CDT, 12 August 2007

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<< Comment #50 @ 12:38 CDT, 12 August 2007 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #49

have you tried GGPO?

currently only supports Street Fighter Alpha 2.. but the game is quite amazing

in the next version of GGPO there will be spectating support and even demos/replays i think :D

<< Comment #51 @ 15:02 CDT, 12 August 2007 >>

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Vajra - Reply to #50

No I haven't when comes to console games I'm more of a neo-geo kind of guy, full nerd I know but imma check it out :)

<< Comment #52 @ 17:14 CDT, 12 August 2007 >>

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Aaron

console pro gaming > wsw

<< Comment #54 @ 23:12 CDT, 3 May 2009 >>

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KitesAreFun

David Sirlin...

Everybody should give his website a look. One of the few people who look at multiplayer games from a hardcore perspective. Placing high emphasis on philosophical matters, and competitive design.

Some of his blogs are even interesting. For example his "Intuition vs Analysis" bit, in the last segment of "balancing multiplayer games" is interesting:

http://www.sirlin.net/articles/balancing-mult...ition.html

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<< Comment #57 @ 05:34 CDT, 4 May 2009 >>

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Paladia - Reply to #54

Interesting read.

<< Comment #58 @ 07:47 CDT, 4 May 2009 >>

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tourist - Reply to #54

great stuff

next time someone says WHY DIDENT ASK CYPHER HOW HE PLY SO GOOD? just refer him to this gem:

"What if his theory left out lots of things he unknowingly uses to solve the problem? What if his theory is actually wrong, and doesn�t reflect his methods at all (because he doesn�t know them himself)? That�s the inherent problem with requiring that any expert synthesize a theory of his own expertise."

<< Comment #59 @ 13:03 CDT, 4 May 2009 >>

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Jamerio : - Reply to #54

Super Turbo players FTW :)

<< Comment #64 @ 02:56 CDT, 5 May 2009 >>

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ix - Reply to #54

His articles are certainly worth reading but I've lost a lot of respect for him after seeing his ridiculous Starcraft 2 comments, he doesn't seem to understand that SC2 is not the same as a fighting game, on which he seems to base his ideas.

<< Comment #65 @ 08:28 CDT, 5 May 2009 >>

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KitesAreFun - Reply to #64

I respect him.

I haven't read any of his Starcraft blogs yet, but his presence alone gives me more faith in the video/computer game industry.

Edited by zalu at 08:36 CDT, 5 May 2009

<< Comment #55 @ 02:08 CDT, 4 May 2009 >>

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meh_

I really enjoy your posts and news about Street Fighter events, classic matches. It made me even download SF3:TS and rage quit after playing with AI :D

It may help ESR to grow. For instance i don't follow SC scene or watch matches, though i skip SC news, but i don't discourage from posting them.

More SF4 news \m/

P.S. I want console :( I don't want to buy PC, and i especially don't want to buy new laptop every year.

<< Comment #56 @ 05:03 CDT, 4 May 2009 >>

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skint

gran turismo

<< Comment #60 @ 13:56 CDT, 4 May 2009 >>

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Aquashark '

k, nice bumping

<< Comment #61 @ 21:25 CDT, 4 May 2009 >>

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gSTRUCTOR '

Very true. Insane skills on high level SF matches.

<< Comment #62 @ 21:45 CDT, 4 May 2009 >>

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oneroomdisco

I'll be at EVO this year, doing mostly media coverage.

Not sure how easy it's going to be, but if I can get brackets and update them for SF4, SF3, SF2:HD, and possibly MvC2 (although I'll probably keep my distance from them as much as possible). I'll post it here and hopefully it will be major'd, and if so I'll update brackets.

<< Comment #63 @ 02:24 CDT, 5 May 2009 >>

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xou

caught myself in a bump : [

Edited by xou at 02:24 CDT, 5 May 2009

<< Comment #66 @ 08:53 CDT, 5 May 2009 >>

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IceIYIaN

In the past Games for Windows/PC gaming has relied on roms and emulators for certain types of games. Street Fighter IV could be a changing point in that genre.

I think it'll be interesting to have more control options available to fighting games. PC is pretty endless there.

An E-Sport game needs:
1. Sold massive amounts of copies
2. Has some type of userbase to stay with the game(see online play)
3. The game isn't replaced every year(As long as it doesn't seperate the community much, see WoW rather than CS to CS:CZ)
4. The ability to be played and viewed as an E-Sport
... LAN has this all wrong. We need to seperate players from each other. We need to seperate spectators from them too. We need a quiet box for players.
Can there be demos, movies, and online spectating, etc?

Among other things.

<< Comment #67 @ 09:38 CDT, 5 May 2009 >>

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micke - Reply to #66

will there be a EoW: 1337 Board for SFIV?

<< Comment #71 @ 03:59 CDT, 6 May 2009 >>

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IceIYIaN - Reply to #67

Did they make it from the Quake engine? Cause I focus heavily on Config.cfg tech. We'll see how SF4 does config first ;)

<< Comment #68 @ 13:06 CDT, 5 May 2009 >>

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reslox

I actually bought a 360 just for VF5. Am I right in thinking it's actually deeper than SF4?

<< Comment #69 @ 13:41 CDT, 5 May 2009 >>

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tzz - Reply to #68

Yes, but that doesn't mean anything because VF is the deepest fighting game out there.

Edited by tzz at 13:42 CDT, 5 May 2009

<< Comment #70 @ 17:43 CDT, 5 May 2009 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #69

and most boring. it's like a flight simulator :D

<< Comment #72 @ 04:41 CDT, 6 May 2009 >>

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reslox - Reply to #70

deepest = most rewarding ;) most of the time anyway. u gotta learn a bit before u can have fun. Does feel like a grind in the beginning, I'll give u that

<< Comment #73 @ 08:35 CDT, 6 May 2009 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #72

the fighting is pretty "basic" and horizontal however.
i prefer the surreal setting of Street Fighter.

<< Comment #74 @ 11:11 CDT, 6 May 2009 >>

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reslox - Reply to #73

waaaait a minute. SF is played on a horizontal plane ;D Can side step in VF

<< Comment #75 @ 11:39 CDT, 6 May 2009 >>

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Aquashark ' - Reply to #74

what i mean is in VF you rarely jump and there is a mostly ground based close combat

it's all about appeal after all
Virtua Fighter 5 Final - WCG Fighter Club 09
vs
Street Fighter 4 Final - WCG Fighter Club 09

Edited by Aquashark at 12:13 CDT, 6 May 2009

<< Comment #76 @ 12:41 CDT, 6 May 2009 >>

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reslox - Reply to #75

for sure SF is more flamboyant

<< Comment #77 @ 13:10 CDT, 6 May 2009 >>

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Falzzi - Reply to #76

Do you know what the fuck is the whole drink thing? Seems beyond retarded to me..

<< Comment #78 @ 13:43 CDT, 6 May 2009 >>

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reslox - Reply to #77

It's just for Shun Di. He's able to deal a small amount more dmg after each drink. Unlocks certain moves as well. Someone explains it on the comments section that Aquashark linked to

<< Comment #79 @ 16:49 CDT, 6 May 2009 >>

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Falzzi - Reply to #78

Well, he kinda seems overpowered what with the commentator saying hes "almost invincible" after a certain amount of drinks. Just my uneducated guess on the whole thing anyway..

<< Comment #80 @ 05:15 CDT, 7 May 2009 >>

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reslox - Reply to #79

I think it might be a problem in any match *longer than* BO5, since the drinks are carried over into subsequent rounds. Itabashi is just a very good player though and here's a vid of him bashing Daigo. This guy makes Zangief look overpowered, though he most probably isn't.

edit: 1st line wasn't clear

Edited by reslox at 11:21 CDT, 7 May 2009

<< Comment #81 @ 07:47 CDT, 7 May 2009 >>

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tzz - Reply to #79

He's not overpowered by any means, specially not in ver. C.

<< Comment #83 @ 08:28 CDT, 7 May 2009 >>

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blaze

I�d rather watch driving / fps / other types of games than beat em ups really.
I don't think I ever found fighting games like street fighter, mortal combat, tekken, virtua fighter or soul calibur enjoyable. Not to play, not to watch.

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