damn, you should major this one. link goes mental again!

it's a shame that all good quake 3 players now play the worst upgrade of the quake series called quake 4. It's all about money and this stupid hardware brands that sponsors games that no one plays.

I said that, because i think actual team players have no more than a 25% of the actual level of toxic and fox playing quake 3 (and they don't played quake 3 for a very long time).

Anyway i like to see demos and fortunately quake 3 is not dead at all, many people playing but no seriously, there are not money to win.

"(and they don't played quake 3 for a very long time)."

i hope you dont mean toxic and fox with that...

don't know if they play quake 3, but not seriously i think, i would like to say that they are not in their best shape.

ah sry, i misunderstood you, thought you meant they havent played q3 for very long but you meant they havent played q3 for quite some time now. ;)

still, its bs that the best active q3 tdm players only have 25% of their skill imho. People improve you know.

it's better to say that's no skill in quake 3 team players now, and this is a shame.

its a shame you dont see the skill

please don't keep doing circles about what are you in disagree without saying it. I consider you a good player if it's what you want to read, but for me no skill in quake now, and THAT's a shame, not the fact that i can't see it.

i didnt mean myself, there are a quite a few damn good tdm players out there that could measure themself with fox/tox.

if that still doesnt make any sense to you, i believe i just dont understand what you are trying to say cause of your english, sry. :|

not to be in disagree with you, but can you tell me some active tdm players that for you can made it close with tox and fox. :S

And pinger and camping "lightningunners" with a 2000dpi's mouses playing only dm6 doesn't count, this is not quake, tactics or intelligence...

quake is more than that, but now seems that no intelligence in there, only good mouses and good pings, maybe i had to say that at my first opinion and you can understand me easily, sorry.

playstyles differ from person to person, if camping works for someone its fine for him so saying that this doesnt count is dumb.

if a mouse has 2000dpi or 400dpi doesnt make you any better or worse. And i never mentioned anything about dm6 only, shit map anyway :P
oh ye, ping, do you think tox/fox had shit pings ?;)

But you seem to talking like, fox&tox were the only good players when they were active, there were a lot of other really good players in that time too, those 2 just were the best. Id say the good players today are no where worse than the good players back then.

The reason why i didnt mention any yet is cause i think some of them are part of miel, and that would make me look relative arrogant since im part of them. Others are kruse/labur (ye i know, not really new players but they are still actively playing 2v2), maybe s8n/shadow, impulse7 and im sure there are some more that i forgot. Now i dont mean all of them can take on fox/tox, but they are high skilled players.

and now i feel shit for writing that, thx ;/

ic > miel. end of discussion

ic > *
but that doesnt mean there arent any other good players :)

would like to see ne_duel :P