3200 DPI
that's usefull under 5cm/360° or what ?

If you are using 800x600 resolution it starts becoming useful under 2.54 cm / 360

For 1600x1200 it's double so under 5.08 cm / 360

use..ful... :/

thanks for the lolings x)

oh btw can you show how you calculated it ?
(I'd like to calculate the minimum sensi I should use with my mx510 in the common resolutions)

( res width * (360/fov) * 2.54 ) / dpi

or something silly like that

This is how I do it:

[ [ Horizontal Resolution (pixels) * 360 (degrees) / FOV (degrees) ] / DPI (pixels per inch) ] * 2.54 (cm per inch)
= Minimum recommended cm / 360

That's if you want to have pixel precision (i.e. no jumping 1-2 pixels).

For example I use:

horiz res: 1024
horiz fov: 90
DPI: 1800

That gets to be:

2.54*(1024*360/90)/1800 = 5.8 cm / 360
I use around 60cm/360 so it's not an issue, even a 200dpi mouse is fine enough to not skip pixels.

thank you both Jabb0r and Antigen07 =)

wow, that's one ugly mouse.

ahahahaha, another fugly mouse. It's so classic they keep churning this shit out. :D

Who gives a crap what it looks like?

As a general rule, these space-age mice that look like shit also feel like shit.

Not necessarily. The MX5xx series was touted as a "retarded alien shape" and is rather comfortable to me. This one looks to be at least somewhat comfortable. Although you won't catch me paying $100 for it.

Hmmm, I don't remember ever thinking they looked silly tbh. I think they look pretty stylish. :D

What mice to you (besides the G9) look like shit and also feel like shit?

It's quite comfortable, actually.

ROLF THAT LOOKS SO UGLY LOL

So ugly that I would rather use Jamerio's face as a trackball.

you almost made me spit my drink out :(

hahahaha

When's the new Razer Bushmaster mouse coming out? Wanna see some reviews if the laser still sucks balls like in the Copperhead.

It will.

nice review, i like the driver pictures: seems interesting to have
a mode for working in the os and playing different games by only pressing one button. a 3rd setting with 3200dpi and full accel for unwanted guests :/

if you have time pls include a sidepicture of the naked mouse.
and maybe do at least 1 or 2 liftoff distance tests for the sensor
on major mousepads (icemat black, steelpad 4d(ss), steelpad qck or everglide titan).

i found some comments with infos -
http://forums.techgage.com/showthread.php?p=17249

"lift off distance - 4mm"
"skips on surfaces such as QcK, polished wood, unpolished wood and a piece of paper"
besides that heres an interesting g9/g15 vid, i like it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReQbUtfk-CI

A mousescore review would be nice.

good call
sujoy, get to work!

We already know it's worthless for low sens. (Laser still skips) I wanna see a mousescore review of the SteelSeries Ikari led optical when that comes out.

I was impressed by the weight of the mouse with the shell removed though, 85 grams is feathery for a mouse.

who cares about low sens skipping WHEN U CAN HAVE AWASAMA 3200 DPI !!!!!!11111 and no skipping at 2cm/360 !!

won't be any mousescores for a while as suj broke the setup =p

Wow 85 grams is impressive. I wish more mouse manufacturers would make light mice.

SteelSeries Ikari will be a light mouse.
Here is an interesting feature they posted about it on their blog:
http://www.fragyou.net/2007/09/13/feature-don...-the-hype/

Thats one ugly ass design.

I dont care what it looks like. But it does seem like that would be a very uncomfortable shape. The profile system looks very cool, I just wish they had done all of it with the 518 shape :P

I dont. Atleast one of the three shapes has got to be better than the MX518 shape. It's not that comfortable, try more mouses before saying that.

"...try more mouses before saying that.", what is this? I mean seriously, what are you trying to accomplish here? Are you implying that somehow because I haven't tried some arbitrary amount of “mouses”, that my view is false? Or are you being edgy and cool because it’s the internet and on the internet you are hella cool and pretty freakin edgy.

I'm saying that I used to like and used the MX500 shape for years, then I experimented with other shapes and instantly found them more comfortable to use. I used to be a Logitech only customer so I didn't know what else was out there that was better.

If that above applies to you, that's great, if it doesn't there's no need to take offense bro.

oh by the way...it's "mice", not "mouses"...

both are right in a computer related context.

why on earth would he want to try more mice if he finds the mx5** comfortable? lol.

I agree with him, it is the most comfortable mouse I've ever used. Why on earth would I want to try another?

ever tried ie 3.0?

used one before I had an MX510 ^^

just checking. :)

"I agree with him, it is the most comfortable mouse I've ever used. Why on earth would I want to try another?"

That's an easy one: To see if it's more comfortable.

Me like pink

Reminds me of a C64 Joystick with auto-fire button

I hope mouse makers that think only right handed people use PC's and want good mice to game with die screaming in a blazing housefire somewhere near me so I can laugh at them while they burn and roast marshmallows over their flaming corpse.

Why so then you can be traced from your message and be suspected for arson plus murder. Of the people who could take a right handed gaming mouse and flip it's shape to make a left handed mouse easily if this ever proved economically feasible. And since you're in the United States, you will probably be held in a federal prison indefinitely without a trial as a potential terrorist treat.

mmm treats

whahaha :D
Homer Simpsons "mmm, (some non-eatable verb)"

Who cares what it looks like, it'll be UNDER your hand for most of the time you use it. Last time I checked hands aren't transparent.

ya but what will the girls think???

Chicks love the modern art.

You spelt "cock" wrong

i think it looks fugly!

I agree with #27, as a long time left handed quaker, its disgusting that they dont think of the minority too !

I am with you and think they should make left handed gaming mice aswell.

But when you are 10-15% of the population and assuming the profit per unit is the same they stand to make 500-800% more profit making a mouse for right handed people only than a mouse for left handed people only.

The thing that businesses do not realize is a left handed shaped mouse would sell BIG to the people who are left handed.
The right hand market is saturated enough that the G9 comes out or the MS Sidewinder comes out and I don't even blink twice despite being right handed myself.

The other thing that they should probably do is increase the price 10-25% on the left handed model so that even though it has about 1/9 the potential buyers a right hand mouse would it would still be profitable to make because of the markup.

Alot of gamers think it would be as easy as taking an MS IE 3.0 and putting it's shape in a mirror. But they have to redesign things from scratch even if the shape is the "mirror" because it affects things like the fitting and placement of the sensor and electronics inside and the design of smaller parts that make the scroll wheel or side buttons work for instance. It ends up being a whole new mouse needs a whole separate production line and also needs testing just as throughly as right handed ones.

And so that is a lot of cost just to make the product that at best is selling to 15% of the gaming market, which itself is a niche of the entire PC peripherals market.

Your best chance of seeing a left handed gaming mouse made in the next 5 years is from SteelSeries. Because they have in the past made things like the 6G keyboard that are very expensive and sell very slowly just for the sake of making the best product they could. They finally entered the mouse market so if the Ikari is successful they'll eventually come out with more mice. Seeing they've done high cost / low volume gaming products in the past they're your best hope.

Is it not possible that Logitech could make a left handed grip for the G9?

The review stated that the mouse even without the shell is slightly asymmetric, additionally the thumb buttons would be on the wrong side.

So, yes it is possible but very unlikely.

I always thought headlines could be exaggerated, but completely wrong? That's like writing "Britney caught having sex on stage at the VMAs!" only to begin the article with "Well, not really, but her performance was awful.".

Anyway, good review.

ggl budget must be getting short and they need hits ;)

I was bored!

I don't think the an off-center should make any difference at all. It's just detecting relative translational movement with a single dot, doesn't matter if you hold it at an angle.

Would only matter if people ever started to measure rotations with two sensors.

It does. Have you ever use a G5 or most cordless mice? It's pretty retarded trying to get a straight, flat horizontal line consistently.

thanks for saying the same thing as me in one tenth the words. :).

Eh, it's what I do.

yeah but that shouldn'tn't have anyting to with if you hold it at an angle or not.
It's just that while moving the mouse you rotate it a little. And if you do that around a position which is different from the sensor you will get a curved line. But that can happen if you hold the mouse straight, too.

/edit

well nevermind after finally reading antigen's reply might just be i understood "angle" wrong.

Yea. Certain sensor placements will result in slanted lines if it hasn't been placed in a universal position. Take for example the MX518 vs. the G5. With the MX518 there are two different ways to hold this mouse and actually get the same perfectly straight lateral movement. However with the G5 you have to hold it with more of an angled palm grip vs. if you were to grip it towards the back like you can with the rest of the MX5xx series.

It matters because when you use a mouse you think of moving the entire mouse. Not as moving the small area where the sensor is located. You also don't expect a rotation of the mouse to change the position of the cursor dramatically either. Since they're supposed to only sense left/right up/down movement.

Here is an example of how an off center sensor placement causes something unexpected:

Say the sensor was at the very rear of the mouse. And you made little archs of the mouse using your fingers and wrist. Because the sensor is so far back it moves much less pixels than you expect for how far the front and middle of the mouse is moving.

Here is another example:

Lets say the sensor was far to the left (the side by your thumb) but still centered fore/aft. You would be able to make the mouse register up movements if you have a claw grip by extending your thumb and register down movements by bending the thumb. The mouse would actually be quite sensitive to this sort of rotation. The problem is if you do the same thing with your ring finger and pinky which rest on the other side of the mouse you do not get the same type of response as before. The cursor might just barely move up or down.

So basically if you hold the mouse in a palm grip and always keep your wrist straight the sensor placement doesn't affect you. But if you ever hold the mouse with the fingers or finger tips and make smaller adjustments anything you do that rotates the mouse will sometimes make less (or more than expected) than expected responses to such movements.

That is ideally if the mouse moves forward cursor goes up, if the mouse moves to the left the cursor goes to the left ect. This is true with a centered optical port.

For uncentered optical ports if you rotate the mouse along it's center it might do unexpected things like register it as an overall movement to the side (not centered fore aft) or as a up or down movement (not centered left to right.)

It's picking straws in some cases but the farther the sensor gets from the sensor the more strange it behaves when rotated and anytime the mouse doesn't do what you expect it's bad for accuracy and performance.

skips. NEXT.

I second that.

Finally someone who made a mouse with exchangeable mouse shapes!
I like Razers shape, buttons and height, but the mouse should be wider.

lol @ people complaining about the looks

If it's possible to setup the mouse to work the same on any different PC WHEN WHY HAVEN'T SOMEONE DONE THIS BEFORE!?

Becuase they've only just learned? :D

OMG THERES A CURE FOR CANCER?!

Why hasn't anyone done this before?

Of course, no one has thought off onboard memory or profiles before this.....

This has been done before on the DeathAdder (firmware 1.21 lets you save one DPI and Hz setting on mouse) and the Copperhead had flash memory that let you store even more profiles or something.

/me RUNS AWAY

/me FOLLOWS ENTHUSIASTICALLY
where are we going?

To the IE3 den!

can DAdder come too? ^^

That mouse looks horribly bad.

hm, so when's pilot wheel mouse coming out with all these super dpi's ? i guess im one of those who does 360/5 cm. or less :p

I think you're supposed to use 2 hands to lift that thing.

intelli 1.1 with 400 dpi and nothing special still one of the best mouse and hey !! 19 euros only ^^

that's what i'm saying!

Exactly. As long as you don't have a 12cm/360 sensitivity playing a game at 1600x1200.

I have 80cm/360 playing in 1440x900 or 1920x1200

Low DPI is good for low sens right? I'm still using 400DPI on my mx510..

Yeah lower dpi means the mouse, the usb port or the game don't have to deal with as many mickeys per second for a given movement speed. Sometimes when you go over a limit you experience clipping issues. (neg accel)

This makes lower dpi preferred, but if the game lets you sample faster than one update per frame or doesn't have the 127 pixel limit and the mouse is 16-bit USB even 4000dpi shouldn't cause any clipping unless the mouse is internally bottlenecked (which is frankly likely).

400dpi FTW, anything more is useless. I hope one of the SS Ikari optical's two DPI settings is 400dpi, it would be an ideal mouse (assuming shape and sensor tech is skip proof).

Technically with my sensitivity (22.5cm/360) 800dpi would be ideal with resolutions higher than 1024x768 as at that resolution 400dpi is no longer 'pixel perfect'.

22.5 is quite fast though innit?
I would like to mention that your total precision stays the same when you increase the screen resolution it's just because the screen mode is showing so much more pixels that it crosses the point where you can see the mouse move in a chunky movement. There is probably a screen resolution where you'd be able to see an 1800dpi mouse with a 60cm/360 sensitivity skip individual pixels like a 400 dpi mouse used with your cm/360 would at 2048x1536.

22.5cm/360 is fast? Compared to what I used to use it's bloody low. Honestly I use 400dpi on my MX518 mainly because I mainly play Q3 at 800x600. Now if I were to start playing games that I use a higher resolution at (ut2k4, tf2, hl2, etc.) then I would probably starting using 800dpi or whatever. Either way though I'm not really too worried about it and I won't be too worried about it until I start playing games at 1600x1200 or higher on a regular basis. It's like worrying about your windows sensitivity notch being 6/11 regardless of what effective sensitivity you're using and being able to reproduce that in every game you play, which is impossible if you're playing with a mouse that's a higher than 400dpi resolution.

Is there some way to calculate the pixel perfect shit?

Playing at 1440x900 / 1680x1050 and I'm starting to get the impression that 400DPI is too low...?

Or maybe 360/80cm is low enough that 400dpi works?

At that sensitivity you could use a 250dpi mouse and still be fine at your 1680x1050 resolution. That's really really really low. Here's the calculator that I use to calculate all my stuff. I can do it by hand, but seeing as how someone actually went through the trouble to make one, why not use it?

Obviously that guy has never seen a professional Counter-Strike player play... 30cm/360 max lul.

edit: oh custom button d'oh

definitely low enough, it's mostly an issue for high sensers.
again all I meant by that is if your setting is too high a number in the game then you run into the view moving in notchy "steps" which technically might reduce one's accuracy at a distance or something. Your screen resolution really doesn't affect the notchiness of the mouse sens, it just affects whether you see it or not.

i kinda want a 1.1se

make your own: http://www.cadred.org/v2/?p=articles&id=569.
=)

Who needs that load of crap when there's 3.0 Black out there? That's what I thought, noone. :)

G9 phales

$100 so i can change my led color?....

http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%...mp;ie=UTF8

Lachesis vs G9 vs Sidewinder