remeber that an unmajored colomn will never be seen, should have made it a forum post

thanks, had no clue.

on a further note, me goes and downloads cod4 as you can play online without a real cd key :)

I was going to say, how do they play it online without a legit cd key

cracked servers

hahahah.. stupid shit, I've been saying that for years to my buddies... the end of PC gaming.. sad, but it will eventually become a reality, unless some major anti piracy campaign will rise, stating the possible future..

It's not about stealing games, it's more about the moral dilemma it raises..

All the games and other stuff is "available", but the hard part is to say to yourself to support the makers, and buy their works!

I own the games, movies and music that I like.. and if everybody would just support, what they believe in, and likes, piracy would not be a problem!

People don't buy cars that have 3 wheels, I guess a lot of people are just as fed up with games that cost €50 and are released in pre-beta phase.

I agree, but thats not the point..

Isn't it? Would the games suddenly get released in a finished state if more people bought them?
It's an easy excuse to blame piracy (although it's obviously a problem) for games that are below-par, in the end the average game costs what, €50-60? When I bought F1 2000 it cost me €30 at the time of release.

no.. because games are poorly made, and is practically still "beta", doesn't justify piracy :S

EDIT: nothing justifies piracy of games :S

Have to agree there, but the biggest problem (in sweden at least) is that people dont even buy the games they like. Usually they just go ahead and download the full game instead of the demo :)

Well, I think people do support the games they like. I have COD4 and I bought it and I am sure alot of other people have as well, but even those people who play for an occasional once or twice are still viewed as a profit loss for the company. I am sure infinity ward has made alot of money off of COD4 but they could of made more if there weren't pirated copies out there.

In sweden, generally people dont support the games they like :(. With consoles, they usually sort of have to support the games they like, unless they "MOD" the unit. But with PC its so common that people DL the games now now that I'm surprised the developers even bother =).
I guess they dont really care as much with porting the games though really. Looking at assassins creed which was super-fluid fps wise for me on xbox 360, but on PC you need SUPERHARDWARE to run it.

CoD4 developer Infinity Ward was shocked to discover an unexpectedly high level of piracy in regards to the PC versions.

unexpectedly high? hah

i guess most of the 360 owners don't really know that they can actually play all those crap games for free. well, at least in single player which is what 95% of the people look for anyway.

not that i support piracy

Keep kidding yourself man. The day that you get to play some games on pc, like mass effect they are effectively old for us 360 owners, and we've moved on to newer games =).

I wouldnt call the games I own for 360 crap, but perhaps they seem like crap to you, cuz they either arent released for pc, or because the pc version of the game are usually quite bad compared to the console version?

Consollers will get GTA 4 in 3 months, and you PC guys have to wait a year or something :p, same with force unleashed.
Which of games do you referre to when you say "all those crap games" btw?

he was obviously flamebaiting... or just dumb?
so take it easy..

It's not that obvious tbh :). You'd be surprised how often people dismiss consoles, just because they are consoles :)

well, no.. it wasn't, he was just being an ass.. people just need to see though the competitive gaming on the PC, and see that games can be played in a more relaxing style.. I'm a sucker for money, and thats the only reason why I haven't bought myself an xbox360 yet..

heh, i work in the industry so i don't need to "see though the competitive gaming on the PC". just saying most of the console users don't how to pirate games. on pc its quite easy, but to hack 360 you need to open the damn thing -> you lose warranty.

and most of the games are crap to me because i don't like anything about them. rpg's, fantasy action games bla bla bla utterly shite game concepts for my taste. and shooters on console? yea, nice joke. although i forced myself to finish portal on ps3 just to test if its possible for me without cursing too much.

anything besides racers is utter crap to me. burnout paradise is so sweet though, almost make me stay and play it rather then go out in this beautiful shiny day.

edit: im replying to you and khorney

edit 2, and learn to read. i said A and you made up BCDEFG all by yourself just to support some weird theories, plus accusing me of some crazy stuff.

you obviously still don't get my point.. thats why my accusations still apply..

And because you don't like shooters, RPG's, WHATEVER on a console, means that everybody else also don't??

but yeah, it clearly helps you to understand the whole point, when you work in the industry..(sarcasm)

cite me saying those games are shite BECAUSE they are on consoles please. wtf...

but just let it go...

While console shooters definately makes me feel a bit "handicapped" if you will, I think that with the right gameplay decisions, its actually quite viable (like gears of war for example). It's the same for anyone playin the game if you play multiplayer anyways.

"anything besides racers is utter crap to me."
Whatever floats your boat man :), racers get kind of boring to me, except for the older Need for spee games with cops & shit, and maybe carmageddon :p

im praying for modern remake of carmaggedon (1). and you should try burnout paradise. it may come as a surprise, but it's not only similar to NFS2:SE, but a lot better. the controls are fantastic. true old school arcade feel :) extremely fun and dynamic

Sega Rally is cool too

Yeah, I found Burnout: Paradise to be quite a pleasent experience too. =)

if you play console games, what is the great name of the game you play then? Onimusha 5?

after I played the demo I found such a awfull game I did not want the piracy version
that game don't deserve more than 10 dollars
so drop down the price of your games and we will buy them
I played Deus Ex in 2003 the piracy version, but last year I was buying that game even if I don't play it now, because it deserve my money, same with Vampires The Masquerade:Bloodlines
for example doom3 and quake4 don't deserve my money because carmack destroyed the opportunity of these names
I'd still pay about 10$ on Doom3 if there would be just a MP version and there would be people playing it
If people would pay for all the games they play then every kid would have to give up maybe 50,000 $ tot he companies
Internet is doing a good thing that make games accesible to the poor people

And if we talk about piracy, there are some chips used on Playstations which let everybody play PS games without buying them
Why everybody just have smth against PCs ?

"And if we talk about piracy, there are some chips used on Playstations which let everybody play PS games without buying them
Why everybody just have smth against PCs ?"
still no answer? thank you

I guess puting chips in consoles in order to use pirated games isn't as usual as pc piracy because :
-you have to pay the chip
-you have to install it or pay for someone to install it
-you may lose the warranty (e.g. for an xbox360 that would be a really bad move because of the common rrod)

so maybe console's piracy is negligible yet and nobody cares

what does all your points have to do with the games (c) copyright ?
zero connection?

the piracy of the games© on pc compared to the one on console
whatever.

I know a few guys owning some consoles, and all of them use pirated games only; without exception (talking about the cases I know, not about everybody)

ye but it remains for "power users", way more than on pc

PC piracy is not the major problem, the consoles and their in general much less critical audience is. Most PC gamers have been around for a while and are used to playing high quality titles. A few friends of mine have never played on PC and buy up all the games they can on consoles. What amazes me is how they can enjoy some of them, which are just plain bad for the genre. The restrictive controls help cover up quite a few game flaws (yes I have played about 4 "medal of honor" games on PS, PS2 and XBox), that would get your game slaughtered by PC gamers. For every Call of Duty, Mass Effect, BioShock on consoles you will have 10 cash ins of mediocre quality at best, that somehow does ok even if you couldn't get a quality concious gamer to download it unless he got paid.

In the last few years, more and more games comming out on the PC are just bad console ports with flashy non functional menus, bad controls and lack of options. Even bioshock is to some degree a victim of this, since a lot of people spent quite a bit of time in the config files to get a desired mouse sensitivity and as little acceleration as possible. That a game comes with sensitivity settings from 1-10 in increments of 1 when a lot of people need a setting of 0.4 is just plain ridiculous. It wouldn't take a lot of effort to fix this since once I found the correct commands in the .ini files it took me 30 secs to change my ingame sens and set it differently from the hacking/UI sens.

This year was a great year for FPS games with BioShock, Orange Box, CoD4 and Crysis. However none of these games had any major innovations, even if BioShock and Crysis had some elements that are not commonly used in FPS those where mostly borrowed from games that they where spiritual successor to. In addtion to borrowing from FarCry, Crysis also borrowed a bit from Deus-EX with the nanosuit reminding me quite a bit of the augmentation tech. In 2006 though, there weren't one very good FPS released, only two above average shooters with HL2: EP1 and Prey, pretty much all other shooters that year was mediocre at best.

Some of the most important reasons a lot of games sell porely on the PC is that the audience is primarily occupied with Multiplayer games like WOW, CS series, COD Series, Team Fortress series, Battlefield series etc. and that the number of qulity games just isn't there in large volume anymore. Spread across all genres, there is maybe on average 15 games a year that really deserve to be bought. Most gamers however don't like every good game and very few play every genre, which limits the market quite a bit.

It doesn't help with publishers treating paying customers like dirt by adding crazy protection schemes which has a lot of people unable to even install their games. 2KGames won the "Screw the customer" award for 2007 outclassing the competition with ease, if you wonder why then google "DRMShock". Most of these protection schemes last 10 days at most and can give paying customers headaches months or in some cases years.

Paying Customer vs Pirate:
Disc must be inserted: Y - N
Sometimes have problems with installing games: Y - N
Have to deal with Activation troubles: Sometimes - N
Get the latest patches right away: Y - Often
Gets a nice color manual and some extras: Seldom - N

Does anyone else see a probem with this picture? The pirate will usually avoid the headaches that paying customers have, and in most cases all they miss out on is a black and white manual and a dvd case. Getting punished for following the law is just plain ridiculous IMO. What the publishers pass as special edition today, should becomme the norm or atleast some of the extras should be in the normal box. This would encourage more people to buy the game.

When I look at my COD4 and Crysis manuals, I wonder why Activison and EA think me as a customer is not worth giving a nice looking and in COD4's case informative manual. Crysis atleast had about 20 pages of information about the game and 3 of them where key bindings. COD4's manual contains 6 pages of information on the game where 2 of them are default keybindings. Then there is 2 pages of indexing, 2 pages of customer support, 5 pages of lisence agreement and 1 page for their paid hint line. Of course all but the front cover of the manual is in black and white. I had to go on the internett and use google to figure out some of the stuff in their server browser and what the perks did etc. I really appreciate that Activision cares so much about me after they have gotten my money for the sealed box where you can't preview the manual......

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haha, never looked at it that way, then again all I care about in COD4 is competitive play, I haven't even touched the SP more than 10mins, let alone read the manual xD

authification :D

we are just growing up and why the hell should we pay silly money for games?

i spent 60 quid on street fighter 2 on the mega drive when i didn't even know what a pc was.

saying that tho i will but all the top first person games from 2007 because they are all above par and exceptional

well i still think if games were cheaper more ppl would buy it ... cuz alltho u have like 50 cracked servers ... there is still few servers with awsome ping and ppl who are serius enough to play some nice matches...

most of those cracked servers have atleast 1 cheater with wallhack or aimbot ... and the surprising shit is they brag about it. Ofcourse if its cracked and pirated lets cheat to, hence uber bad and frustrating matches...

... so yes if games would be cheaper i would definitly buy them.

Cheaper games more ppl buys them -publisher gets more money, every1 wins. They are just ignorant and blame piracy for problems they dont have solutions to, cuz they dont want spent money on inventing new ways of delivering to the people.