.

LMAO@PO.... UK??!?

286 frags on dm7 !!!!

watch austria vs pol b, 349 frags for at, tho l1nk was playing instead of real vigo :p

dm6 was uploaded two times and someone plz fix it
but nice story

the demo contains both maps

linkin played as vig


who the fuck is vigo?

oldskul .at player :X - http://clanbase.ggl.com/humaninfo.php?hid=174355

yeh i know :p

his name is vig though & not 'vigo'

even though nice target for fake :)), commercial theatre must live \o/

the only way to combat cheating pole xerps

in my opinion Henry da hoover(polesucker) is best secret weapon vs them :D

poles use henry to clean my house

only for clean ? ... strange :X

i order them to clean in my nazi uniform and then i throw mein kampf at the them and make them eat my shit

muhoho mate ... wplayed, Henry must be in shock, better throw linkin on them next time :DD

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/formul...649197.ece

Your dad?

:D

way2ez

true.

v3rb doesnt use xerp if you're talking about him... check his LAN demos, his aim is even better then this.

x3rpalizah

I know that you're just jealous... But I got used to - ppl like you ;-)

poles take q3 way too seriously

Haha, and who's talking this?:D That's you, who's taking q3 too seriously whining everwyhere you can... eot

go motherland

fu?

lmao raged

you're funny.

watch verb on ospdm5

magic!

ok now im getting worried about you... you ok? :P bang on the head or something? xx

plz

only dislike the polish idiots :(

i'll be raging next week while they're redoing the central heating in the house :(

*phew* i was thinking your account had been taken over there for a min

Thanks for the tip, watching verb's pov is definitly amazing!

I'd rather say watch zik!

maybe watch someone who doesn't need xerp, more impressive for me ;)

lol, verb had awesome aim in OSP too.

you actually have no idea if any of them players are using xerp apart from paranoia

get this into your head you stupid fucking dolt THEY AIM THE EXACT FUCKING SAME regardless of xerp

GET IT?!?!

all you do is bark like a dog

fact is that these stats were never seen in q3 until CPMA and there's no way you can argue that point, xerp/laghax/whatever is making ppl aimbots and q3 isnt about config wars

How thick can one be?

Config wars, xD, xerp has been in cpma for ages.

*ganja edit*

go play q4, no xerp there!

You're the thick one, if you read what i said properly u wouldnt have made that comment. "these accuracies haven't been seen [/u]until CPMA[/u]

You're still thick.

Does cpma aim for these people?

yes it does, in part

cpma's much better netcode makes that, not xerp (as who aaron's was replying to said)

have u ever seen 48% MG on LAN before? i thing 35+ was realy good.. same for LG... i remember ic-BELTH had 35%LG in CPL final's longer time ago.. i thing it was cpm4 and that was crazy number... so answer is yes.. cpma somehow does aim for you..

have you seen q3 tdm on lan recently anyway?!

no

so shut up

dont care about tdm or duel or whatever.. show me lan demo with 48% MG.. dont have?? so shut up..

lan is different, like any of these players truely care if they win or not online compared to lan, the fact is tdm in cpma has not been played on lan, so you have no arguement. plz shut up.

35 lg might of been a good number back then, but now with an improved netcode, 45 lg is a good number, things change, this is not 2000, this is 2008. cpma is used now and not osp so get over it.

*edit*
oh and also its common knowledge everyone usually has better mg and lg stats in tdm because they dont spam it as much (usually anyway)... especially in the case of dm7

u dont get it man.. realy.. never ever before u see such accuracy with weapon which has bullet spread (MG)... not even CLOSE to 48%... then your *edit* and dm7 stuff and better MG/LG aim - man u felt from moon yesterday? u probably talk about some else dm7, because what i saw last 8 years on dm7 was RA rush with MG's spamming it across group of enemies at long distance... isn't something u could get 48% MG..

if u dont noticed any HUGE aim improvement across the scene after switching to CPMA then sry but u are blind or u dont want to see it cause u use xerp yourself and u like it.. or perhaps u dont even play... arguing thats cause of better netcode is SILLY because i dont believe that avarage players today with CPMA are much better aiming than toxic @ osp @ 2 years ago..

get yourself together man.. stop arguing for leaving xerp in game.. this is my last comment to this shit...

i do notice

"35 lg might of been a good number back then, but now with an improved netcode, 45 lg is a good number, things change, this is not 2000, this is 2008. cpma is used now and not osp so get over it."

its better netcode, simple as.

so if it's all xerp and cpma aims for you, how come not everybody that uses xerp get's +40% mg, smart ass?

he's not saying you don't need good aim to start with... come on now

I didn't say he said that too

ok.. its all netcode.... finaly got it clear.. all the xerp whine was missunderstanding.. cause xerp does nothing..

/care

so there is no shame for me now to turn on xerp y? :) cause the +% on MG/LG is cause of netcode.. good :)

No, but because it's not "illegal" and people use it.

And there's no shame in using xerp anyway...

ur funny.. ^^

I've seen clan mates hit 40% LG on lan using OSP before.

It's not making them aimbots, it's just responding to what they already did more accurately.

So why do shots register as hits when on the screen your shot clearly missed

Erm, you really shouldn't trust the rail trail, it was coded for ids netcode not arQons.

If you played without the rail trail I bet you wouldn't notice any hits being hit when they shouldn't.

see you're asking these kind of questions when they have been answered time and time and time and time and time and time again

real naab, go back 2 threewave k, fail @ arguing

i have explained myself a countless amount of times and so have lots of other people

just because you're too fucking stupid to get it doesn't mean I'm barking like a dog you moron.

Constant insults and aggression just show that you aren't sure about your "explanations".

Anyway, I'm not posting anymore on this subject with such idiots ;)

go find my other threads, I have explained myself plenty of times with no insults at all.

I am insulting because now you seem to be taking notice, sadly you're still too fucking stupid (harhar) to get it.

Why are we idiots? for not agreeing with you and presenting arguments? Nice Jamerio mentality!

I actually made 4 comments in the other thread, and you only replied to one. I made a reply to that without any insults (oh sorry I called you stupid because you are) and valid arguments and you couldn't answer.

why so serious?

probably all he's got.

you're a fucking muppet as well

rage > words, "innit".

omg cant wait!!!!!!!!!

Š>

he played q4 and thought its netcode was good, end of story aaron

i never said this, why do you need to make up lies?

edit: in fact i'm sure ppl can quote me of saying: 'q4 is unplayable over 25ms'

Yea, people can also quote you, "stop fucking camping dor".

i've never said that either afaik

last time i played you was in Q4 1 or 2 years ago, so digging pretty deep to find that if i did say it :s

i was just guessing since you played alot of q4ctf :p

as I said earlier - v3rb doesnt use xerp.

v3rb 46 % mg on 1st map, 48% on 2nd map.
Xerped.
Seriously, where are we going to ?

Haha yeah, good thing q3 wasn't aim-oriented before xerp... oh wait. :(

xerp made hitscan even worse than it already was

yeah, sucks to hit where you aim innit. vq3 has major flaws. get over it.

ahye, kcuss ot thi hweer uyo mia tnnii. q3v sha oramj slafw. tge reov ti.

would have made more sense

i hope you know a website which automatically does that for you. :)

the same where you get your standard replies from

dun geddit. :(

If a weapon is very powerful, it should be hard to aim (or hit) with. Removing xerp might not be a good solution (or even a solution at all it seems if you listen to the CPM crowd?). But it seems to me that the weapon should be either be nerfed damage wise, or just harder to hit with if its too dominant in the communitys eyes.
Maybe this is the case in CQ3 though? I havent played CQ3 yet so I cant say.

Kind of exactly my point

dans ton cul.

wtf is xerp?

verb also on osp had that aim percentage in most of his matches

So what? His aim is great, should he hit less than the rest just because his ping is worse? Sounds like osp.
Damn hypocrites.

Oh, don't worry, if everyone xerped, no matter the ping, everyone would also hit 45 % lg, and v3rb would remain a nobody

lol

If everyone xerped and nobody cried
If everyone loved and nobody lied
If everyone shared and swallowed their pride
Then we'd see the day when nobody died

lol?

Actually a lot of people (tbh almost everyone who knows this cvar) xerps nowdays, but still they can't aim so accurate. He's just good aimer, and always has been like that (in osp as well). Just face it.

xerp is not a cheat, use it if you like.

I'm not saying that v3rb is a newb ; he's good but xerp just makes him a LOT better.

Agree on that.

Terminology is the key here I think.

It doesn't MAKE him BETTER it allows him to reach his potential (despite his ping)

Exacto.

It's so wrong that e.g the eastern European countries can compete on equal grounds.

Oh the horror the horror.

Cos our precious LPB Swe nation will no longer dominate.

I'd say that the most vocal group are the central European osp blowhards.

What stops you from xerping?

You never used timenudge /w osp?

They just like to pretend they don't use xerp so that they feel superior to be honest.

I mean, miel players are hardly trustworthy.

We don't use it, as it makes the game imbalanced.
I don't see the link with miel team, believe us or not, we don't really care. I'll patiently wait to see with my own eyes these unknown, but decent players, hit 48 % mg on LAN.

Oh, so you don't use it because you feel it imbalances the game and want to put yourself at a disadvantage, right.

I don't like being disadvantaged. I want that game to be "normal", or what it has been for years before CPMA came. I want that cvar disabled, I want everyone to be equal and play with fair net settings.

That's the thing though, the net settings ARE fair (That's why lots of Eastern Euros can play well now) it's just the game can't handle the improvement for everyone :(

I agree that OSP gameplay was better but the technical environment of CPMA is so much fairer.

If the VQ3 community could just work together slightly for once we could easily tweak the game (Like in CQ3) and play that instead, hell it might be even better than OSP then.

I just dislike the fact that everyone now HAS to turn on xerp to be competetive, as you won't stand a chance against a xerper, no matter his ping or your ping.
It's sad, the game looks completely different from what it used to be, and I don't think it was meant to be played the way it is gonna be played now.

if you don't have xerp on, then ping DOES make a difference...

let me give you an advice: if you want game to be like before cpma kicked in, GET BACK TO OSP AND FUCKIN' STAY THERE
you're welcome

I wouldn't mind using OSP again :P

do you also play with a ball mouse?

Of course I did, and I'm using cg_nudge in CPMA ; but nudge doesn't make the game imbalanced as much as xerpclients.

So, according to your past statements you are basically handicapping yourself, why?

Osp bushido? :D

Yeah, kinda ; against a xerp user, no matter the ping, I'm getting lg raped, there's nothing I can do.

edit : I'm not using it as it doesn't reflect how the game should be. The game was, in my eyes, the most balanced game ever, with weapons being equal. It's not the case if you turn on xerp, when you can easily and often kill your enemy with 20 lg ammos.

did it ever occur to you it was balanced because the netcode was garbage? or rather, let me ask you this, how did the game feel first time you ever connected to an online server? did it feel natural? realtime? responsive?

hahaha at the bushido call, [+]

Xerpclients isn't the problem LAGHAX -1 is what is causing all the hits to register xerpclients is just a visual aid of where the opponent is.

So what about forcing all net settings to 0 ? Just like what has been done for YEARS in osp and no one EVER complained

Maxpackets 0 would kinda suck? :(

Surely it's easier to just tweak the game slightly than to make the game laggy and make those with a high ping need to be three times as good to even hope of beating a low ping player?

I know I'd rather tweak VQ3 a bit (maybe CQ3, maybe less so) than make the game laggy again.

What the hell do you think :x
Xerp helps BOTH high and low pingers !

Yes of course but xerp isn't causing more hits to register....

The netcode settings laghax, nudge etc are what causes more hits to register and as it so happens they do a good job of it.

20ms vs 60ms equal skill is still advantage 20ms. Even if the 60ms player uses xerp.

(Also you said you use nudge right? you aren't using it with laghax -1 I hope :s)

are you sure that you are not wrong?...

3rd time... v3rb doesnt use xerp!

Then why did he admit that he was using it :P

Some time ago I was talking to some best pl players, and I remember that v3rb wasnt using xerp - his aim is the same with or without it.

Maybe his aim is the same versus low skilled players, with 10 ms on polish public servers, but definitely not against skilled players. I've followed v3rb, I know how he plays ; his aim was definitely different in OSP.

v3rb asked me to remove this link and now listen all of you: If someone has problem with v3rb's aiming, pm him on Qnet - he has 2GB of OSP demos where his aim is similar like in CPMA. HF with watching it ;-)

I'm not gonna waste my time and register to download that demo :P
He probably had good accuracies, as, from what I understood from this website, that was a polish cup, meaning 10 ms ping against low skilled (ati avenger??) players :)
Not relevant.

check my post - edited.

why being such a fanboy? he obviously xerps, get over it

so v3rb best aim ever? :)

Yeah, he's the new toxic obviously !

How dare you compare anybody to the bestest quake player ever! ;)

Thanks to xerp, the comparison can be done. I've never seen toxic with such weapon accuracies

toxic are not a good player for his weapon accuracies i think this is very obvious and really don't know how a good player like you can compare v3rb with toxic's accuracies and try to find any conclusion about nothing.

I have better weapon accuracies that Cooller! but he destroys me in a duel. V3rb has one of the best aim of the "known" european quakers. But i know people with better lg, mg than v3rb that are just mediocre players.

Maybe you have some envy about v3rb stats? :P

No, I'm just saying, a lot of decent players could also reach those stats with Xerp enabled. I've tried that cvar, and I can clearly say that it boosted my stats. Still, I find it imbalanced and I won't ever use it.

Better turn brightskins off too then mate, they make it far too easy to rail at long ranges.

You just proved everyones point about vq3 cpm making it alot easier for everyone to aim with the best players.


"V3rb has one of the best aim of the "known" european quakers. But i know people with better lg, mg than v3rb that are just mediocre players."

vq3 cpm? is that like the old cq3 or something?

I have only seen toxic reach 48% lg once on dm6. Although he played a weak player and mosts of the shots where mid air shafting.
*edit* in osp

Ok ok! I was just joking. I still cant get over that ridiculus toxic i-view!

1.:Xerp = placebo, useless to whine about it. 2.:verb > tox. 3.: You should look around at your own neighbourhood first, instead of whining about bullshit net commands : ). Cheating on a league game is lot more lame, than xerping. Anyway I guess nobody surprised, miel has the faking in their veins...

Hi dash,

I don't support what he did, it's not like I'm behind his back to prevent him from doing such things.
Also, don't spit on him, you were glad when he played with you those 2v2 newb hungarians cups :)

edit : about your 'xerp' opinion, you clearly have an insufficient knowledge about quake to judge anything. Since when do retards and div3 players can make such statements ?

Oh, and about linkin faking, well get some balls instead of posting anonymous comments

Hi Unity,

Faking is such a thing you like to do too : ) but it's ok while you don't break any rules with it. Ye I was glad he played with me, no doubt he is a skilled teamplayer and he doesn't has to proove his skills for ppl, on every forum like you do : ). I don't spit on him, just don't agree what he did. About this xerp thing, I won't going into a 'xerp flame'. It's the biggest waste of time. You mentioned yourself right with the retard and div3 attributes, because you are the one who make statements. I guess Arqon has more knowledge about cpma netcode and xerpclient. Read his opinion before you waste your time with your favorite activity: whining, get a life instead....

Regards: dash

Actually, arQon giving his opinion isn't something reliable. More than half of the community whines about xerp, including professional gamers whom do have sufficient knowledge and wise opinions about how the game changed. I'm _NOT_ making any statement, I'm just noticing the flame going around, among both the community AND renowned players. Furthermore, arQon being the developer doesn't make him a Mr knows it all. Everyone has always granted him for what he did, there's no doubt that he pushed the game to its peak, and we can all thank him for that. However, I don't think that he's the one to fit, when it comes to judge the imbalance of the gameplay. He's a developer, not a player. When you create a project aimed at a community, it then becomes a commitment to face the various critics and improve what is improvable. Even if xerp ain't that bad, I blame arQon for ignoring community's wish : to allow a xerp turn on/off via callvote, or at least, make it appear in /Players panel.
That being said, I wish I could see you one day win some tourney instead of opening your mouth in every forum ; free whining is what you do the best. Don't even mention the word 'faking' again, if you can't even create yourself an account and show your nick. No, I'm not pretending to be better than anyone, that is for me the biggest waste of time ; I have nothing to prove, as I'm not a big name nor any talented player. I'm just giving my opinion just like anyone would do in something called a forum.

I don't think anyone disagrees about it making the game more aim based and that using it is an advantage (As it obviously is). But simply banning it (callvote) or causing witch hunts (/players) is not the solution.

wow that sucked!

could also watch some bot ffa - horrible - spawn, running, shooting
thses guys should watch some kane demos to learn how to play tdm
instead i guess they wathced all only toxic demos ..i hated toxics tdm style . completly total aim+rushing :i


miss the times u vc all* there they used the walk button at lest sometimes

lol :)

I recommend Eurocup2 playoffs for lan finals 4K v SK . (would not bother with Kane pov though:)

If you can remember that far back ?:) Decemember 2000 iirc.

whats with that? kane always ruled

its when 4 young valiant ISDN'ERS from UK beat mighty SK all lanned up!!

So what? Belgian clan cx beat them on internet as well and thus qualified for the finals of EC 2. That doesn't make SK's or kane's gameplay less enjoyable.
What's your point?

It was a response to "Not knowing how to play TDM" it was a half jokey yet half serious reply. We went 41-1 down on DM14 and came back without cess'age :P We won 3-1 and was the exact kinda game that stelamfanboy seems to enjoy :)

btw CX never made EC2 lan finals :p prolly EC 3.

It was 4z/4k/evol/[u] and all* at EC2

oh btw belgians did not play on ISDN for years.

Anything else today class? :| Everyone done their homework?

hahah ok I get it now. oh god, I totally forgot about EC2 it seems. I lost all my pre-EC 3 demos some years ago. You have some by any chance (the game you refer to or other ones from that event) ?

<3 vorvavoo :)

:P

No demos to hand sorry, they had been floating around on the net for years but my friend google cannot find them atm :-(

Might have some on the old PC with some BWEC demos, will have a look when I set it up next.

*kiss*

non-tiered weapons
non-tiered armors
weak quad
people just run around and outaim the others

wtf is the point in this? where's the teamplay?

in QW you have to work your ass and coordinate your team around enemies with RL/LG/Quad/Pent/Ring.
every RL matters, every Quad/Pent matters, every sneaked enemy in your area of control = deadliness, you have to push, you have to sneak, you have to secure backpacks for team mates and be aware of elements of environment (triggers, platforms, hazards, spike shooters) etc.

here was just: pick up the first gun you see, pew pew,
pew pew some more and don't forget to pick up that one powerup that's improperly named "Quad" from time to time

lol no you don't....


























.... you just use mg.

ZING

where's fern anyway :>

How would I know where fern is?:<<<<<

DUN GEDDIT
EPIC FAIL
or something

"ZING"

fern and spyte does this zing shit all the time

So does everybody :<

ZING

relax, this is just vq3 gayplay. vq3's tdm suck =\
net code? net code is great, gameplay - shitty. so sad

sadly I have to agree with you ='(

plz, if you are telling the truth, then for all that effort i might aswell play cs

osp + vq3 netcode = All quake 3 players happy :)

LIES

i dont want to use timenudge -20

it looks worse than xerp

thx

btw, is v3rb also a great defrag player? or do iconfuse him with someone else

yes he is

Winning a tourney like what? Like this: http://www.cybergames.hu/node/2314 ?

or this:

http://www.quake.cz/QuickCup/?page=cup8 ?

or a LAN event like this: http://www.gpslan.com/ and this: http://pq.mindenkilapja.hu/ ?

Tbh. I don't care about mine or your trophies. Uni I'll give you that you are a good quake player, I don't discredit it. The reason why I 'spitting' on you, is your behavior and the 15 years old whining girl which one you acting all the time... Anyway I'm not an evil-natured person, you started this 'bullshit contest' a long time ago. Whatever! Have a nice weekend!

what a bunch of quality tourneys with *top* teams signed up ! =)

Read again my post, and you will notice that I'm not whining at anything, just expressing my opinion about an unfair cvar.

its not unfair, if people practice as much as.pl then theyd aim as good too... pl will still outaim everyone else in osp too.

its not their fault they are good aimers, or xerps fault, its the fact they are active... yeh xerp makes it better too... but practice as much as them and it wont matter.

It's just like its not my fault that im right all the time,

They are good aimers I agree, but if everyone xerped they wouldn't be that impressive, and we would see many other players hitting 45 % lg.

Yes thats true, but not everyone :) and from my view i prefer a game where aim is such an important factor than prediction spam.

but you must also remember the people that use xerp and say they don't :) and from a spectators pov... cpma + xerp. is much better too and therefore better for quake as a competition game... especially even for noobs :)

You seem to miss a few key points. Aim is aim fair enough but do consider........

OSP and CPMA vq3 are diff mods, they feel different to play, the netcodes different. I have made more comebacks than some twat out of Take That but could always quite happily pick up Q2/Q3 (or even RTCW/ET) after long periods away (months or years) and play reasonably well, especially tdm/stopwatch. I have now found out however that I really struggle if the game is different to what it was when you last played, and this is issue is amplified if your opponents have been playing said mod for years :P

Yes! The the polish having been playing CPMA for years and years..., I recall days when it was known as the polish mod, simply cos of bad connections they played it on a massive scale in Poland. I remember when matr0x demos 1st started appearing.... :P

Yes the other shocker...! The polish also played OSP at same time, of course they did as majority of big tourneys always used OSP (all be it on a shit ping but we are talking aim here right?). Majority of other people in the old-school days stuck to OSP.! It is more than possible to play several mods at a high level in a particular game if you want, even if the mods feel so different :P To be honest you can play 2 totally different games at a high level - you just have to put some time in at one stage in life :P

Anyway I am babbling. See my point yet ? :p It basically means the aim margin would be not be so vast in OSP compared to CPMA as us OSP players actually used to erm play OSP and stuff ?: P. Christ lets play a totally different game and see who really can aim !!??!

Of course they are active, of course they are great players but do not ignore the fact that they have been playing the "mod" for many many years.......

edit: cba,

something about you being kindof right, keeping community active by regular and contraversal patches... and quake live soon

gg

Idiot tbh :/

I dont really want to get involved in a daft conversation over this but to so say OSP was unplayable on 60-80 ms is crap !!!

Sure it is on someones home server versus some fag on 5 ms but thats what the whole point of a server search was ?

High pings did not stop Russia in OSP did it?:) They came to BWEC (after qualifying online in groups that were made so pings would be reasonably fair), bummed everyone to peoples suprise (including some ladys of the night iirc:) then went home and competed online to the best level they could, they didnt moan that much online in OSP and always turned up which was admirable. Thank god they did this for years on end for the q3 scene eh? :) Teams i was in always used to try and play on some shitty de or other servers to get a reasonably fair ping v clans like Forze, and other clans from Slovenia? (might be wrong) like errr 666 etc.

I have had a shit DSL connection for years myself, regardless of that 4K was all stuck on ISDN for years and years when most clans could field 4 cablers or "lanned" up on a fat pipe at some secret wank-fest in Geneva. (ISDN = Ping was ok 40-50 ms dos at 1st, maybe lower for people in southern UK, but the plasma lagged you out etc, binds only etc:)

CPMA is the "answer" to the net code and it obviously works if you look at accuracies now a days........ but to say OSP was/is unplayable on such a ping is so wrong............ lucky a lot of clans never thought the way you do or there would of been a lot of boring Eurocups :P

God cant believe you edit your comment after I type all that :-)

hahah egd

I think you might misunderstand his point about his connection.

I'm on virgin at uni and it literally is unplayable (Mine is worse than his because I share with 3 others!) even in CPMA for me. I get massive spikes of ping with constant lag outs, can't use standard settings (mp 125, and some servers lock it at 60 and such, ffs).

On a good day I can just about manage to play some Q3 with CPMA thanks to the netcode and commands such as cg_optimiseBW "2". In OSP I just get a constant 999 ping or the weapons are so hopelessly inconsistant it's not even worth trying.

Now obviously you can say, then get a better connection but it's not really a choice for me (high connection cost to bt, other housemates etc.)

I see what you mean your saying your connection is shite but you can still play CPMA - thats fair enough but kind of side tracking from what he actually typed, "osp is unplayable in 60-80 ms"

The way he worded it sounded more like he had a high-ish dos ping but fairly steady :)

cg_optimiseBW "2" - enlighten me whats that do?:)

oh no sry ... it displays that as average. /cstats me one time ull see what i mean, about 32-172 ping range atweekends, right now 16-92 on a uk server. others have like 16-24 its depressing, but i can still play luckily...just innaccurately... ie hitscan is broken... dont get me started on how q4 plays lol. hard to move isp when u live at home and goto uni though, almost convinced the big man to goto bt or o2 so fingers crossed :) i hate typing on ps3 browse, gramma is awful

**edit** some stats bearing in mind its only 4pm xD

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S->C: Ping 50ms Range 32-80 Lost 23% Late 0%
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S->C: Ping 49ms Range 32-64 Lost 26% Late 0%
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S->C: Ping 55ms Range 32-88 Lost 23% Late 0%
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S->C: Ping 52ms Range 32-80 Lost 20% Late 0%
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Padawan almost dodged iM adr's rocket
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sux4me :(

OptimiseBW cuts down on the amount of data sent/recieved. It defaults to 1 on pretty much all cpma servers 2 cuts it down even more but you miss out on things like teleporters etc.

I think Rush3d is quality, noctis and gandhi are quality, mS and Pantery are quality, etc, etc...

we will w8 for ESWC again, and will see, Russian flag at 1st place again... or may be BY :)

that's why "vq3 netcode" part is there

xerp mentioned 48 times in comments
NOW 49!!!!!!!! >D
xerp
50

you win a degree in maths, congratulations.

but u cant def :DDDDDDDDDDDD

its not like i try my heard out when i play ntf defence, play for accuracy only! and ill have you know i won the award for the worlds best defender

heahaehhaehaehaehhaee nvc dont know how to def :EE

i want to say smething about osp so if u dont remember Poland were good too
2nd place in last cb nationscup tdm
http://clanbase.ggl.com/news_league.php?lid=2274

and saeson before ? wow poland got 2nd place too
http://clanbase.ggl.com/news_league.php?lid=2074

so pls stfu if u think its all xerp etc

XERP XERP XERP IM NOT USING IT

actually this is the last cb nationscup http://clanbase.ggl.com/news_league.php?lid=2805

..where verb played without xerp :P
http://clanbase.ggl.com/news_league.php?wid=6160180&lid=2805

I think it's interesting that this demo has more comments than downloads. Gotta love when uninformed people whine XERP just for the hell of it.

Oh. And as someone wrote earlier, Poland got 2nd place in nations cups when osp was used so clearly they are not all aim.
I would rather see a team of relatively unknown Team Players win, than a pickup team of Big Name Players mainly chosen for their ancient achievements.

There was a GTV you know :P

at least the word xerp sounds kinda cool

it's a nice word to read on like the 2/3 of the posts on esr :p

Here's my Jamerio impression:

Soon this match-up will just be 8 polish people in a server

Too short and it wasn't filled with enough rage.

I was also looking for the other 100+ lines :(

you guys are boring with this comments :D

not sure if anyones interested but we played them again in clanbase, with the goal of scraping back some pride. it was very close on ospdm5, we won dm14 and dm7 was closer but we lost unfortunately ;]. cpma dm7 isn't the same, you're at a disadvantage unless you cess, due to the ability for players to hit 45-50% mg, quite sad! team-ffa ;] at least the result was a lot more respectable for us, ggs.

you mean due to the netcode's "ability" to let the players hit where they aim, and that's really NOT sad. But if the sad part was only about having to cess, then I agree.

well, i have no quarell with the netcode. however, xerp changes the techniques required to aim well with mg / shaft. probably the other guns too but, shaft in osp was always a PREDICTIVE weapon, you predicted their movements patterns, except on LAN where it became more reactive due to the extremely low latency. as such cpma/xerp has altered the online game dynamic and in combination with the slower movement has promoted a "point + click" style of aiming. ofcourse everyone is good at aiming now? it's quite humourous that those who weren't so great at aiming before (not that i'm pointing this comment to you) are praising it now. but it's bad for the vq3, in cpm xerp is great - it was designed to aid the mod. I've played a lot of cpm and i think xerp fits it fine. but in vq3 it totally fucks the balance.

using that argument is fine, but totally absurd when you apply some basic context and knowledge. i've played both mods extensively (cpma cpm, cpma vq3 i mean) and i've played since 2000 so i've seen how stuff has developed. just look at it. it's very silly to say that "xerp" hasn't changed q3's basic aiming dynamics, you could add a different weapon and it would have a similar effect; altering gameplay/balance. so people who say that to me, clearly don't understand what q3 was for the last 6-7yrs. they are aiming better because the skills required to aim have changed. while i am by no means discreditting their win over us, i'd be lying if i didn't say that i think this bias towards aim isn't a step backwards in the gameplay. try playing without xerp, that's a little more accurate - but still with the slower movement it's definitely easier, xerp is overkill.

oh btw i'm totally open for criticism on my argument! i don't want to appear conceited

Gameplay is certainly worse I don't think anyone should/would argue otherwise (Kinda blatant really). I don't think it would take much tweaking to fix the "new" balance issues (That have always been there just every year it increasingly becomes more obvious).

The "predictive" element of OSP aiming isn't really a different way of aiming at all it's just you can't see the delay/latency, it's also a highly UNFAIR skill, the lower the ping the less predicting you have to do and therefore the higher the ping the more skilled you have to be to overcome an inferior opponent.

higher the ping the more skilled you have to be to overcome an inferior opponent

WHAT?!?! ROFLOL¹²³

SKILL?!?!? Predicting @ OSP with hitscan weapons is NOT about skill (not that there is none in it), it's about luck. You GUESS the enemy will go one way and lead your aim predicting there, but if he goes the other way you'll be shooting anything.

Skills is about REALLY hitting where you are aiming, if the crosshair is on the enemy you hit, if it's not, you don't, no guesses, no luck, long live CPMA \o/

That was pretty much my point I just worded it in a different manner.

If you hadn't noticed all the OSP arguments revolve around it being more "skilled" to aim in.

oh I got you now =]

why can't we all just play cq3? :(

Because it's different and thus extremely evil and filled with fail.

It's pretty much TFFA in OSP too!!!!!!!!!!!!

It was not game UK vs POL A becous:
1. I was playing
2. no zik who is playing at miel
3. We are not taking OC games so serious as NC
4. dm14 is playing eQuador in POL A
5. no coach like m3[mcz] who is very importent for us in NC;)

but gg ;d

3. We are not taking OC games so serious as NC

you must be the only ones :D

:-( btw, howcome kertal isn't in the poland.A team? he always seems to rape in his poland.B games :D - he was playing for the main polish team back in osp when we played you guys last i think :O

im not allowed to talk about thet xD

e-drama :>?

not this time ;)

because he is taking OC v.serious !!!! ;))

I use some xerp in the morning
I use some xerp at night
I use some xerp in the afternoon
It makes me feel alright.
I use some xerp
In time of peace
And use in time of war.
I use some xerp before i use some xerp
And then i use some more.

Yeah, that's what i do, hey.

On servers, people tell me, son, you really play it bad
On servers, people tell me, son, you use what help you can
And then one day, i met a man, he raped me straight and said
I play good, and i shaft fine, but first turn on the xerp

I use some xerp in the morning
I use some xerp at night
I use some xerp in the afternoon
It makes me feel alright.
I use some xerp
In time of peace
And use in time of war.
I use some xerp before i use some xerp
And then i use some more.

ooh ooh ooh ooh

One xerp one game
Funny game, funny game
Gimme that xerp shaft

nice.

Let me show you my xerp.

win and good :D

Plasma 97.2

Fail!

I had a bad day, was playing on a ball mouse, had 140 people in my flat, was drunk, stoned and asleep, my house was on fire, my entire family just died, my monitor was displaying only one pixel.

Give me a break!

EARN IT

hah :D all talking about aim :D / xerp
- U dont know the power of real good coach :D

you forgot the power of speed

if it was CPM, maybe