sounds like a PR action... the stabbed guy probably works for rockstar.

case solved... and there goes my 500th post :o

im gonna guess no one ran after the guy as they didnt want to go out the queue.

What an idiot, I bet he has like 4 stars now.

needs paintjob.

"Yo 8ball, i need a respray on my BMX quick sharp"

§:d

Black people are a minority in London, yet are responsible for the majority of the knife crime. I find that pretty alarming and my comment is based on fact rather than racism.

Before i read the story I thought it was a black guy who did it.
Then before clicking the link I thought maybe I'm being a pessimist, so clicked the link and the article just confirmed what I thought.

That makes me insightful, not racist.

That's an odd typo.

You can hide behind statistic all you want, but presupposing a persons character based on skin colour is pretty much the definition of racism.

To be fair he presupposed somebodies skin colour based on a crime, not presupposed somebodies crime based on a skin colour as you said. I don't know about the stats he used, but if they are indeed as Jamerio says then it's fair enough.

As they say, the majority of muslims are not terrorists, but the majority of terrorists are muslims. We can infer statistically from a suicide bombing that it was likely by a muslim, whether you want to admit that or not.

There are a few fundamental flaws in your argument.

Firstly, Islam isn't a race, it's a conscious, although admittedly often determined, decision to follow a certain doctrine; that means that there's no genetic presupposition implied in the statistics: the fact that statistically Muslims are more likely to commit terrorism is due to a combination of indoctrination and belief. Unless you're trying to argue that there's some genetic factor that makes those of middle eastern descent more susceptible to indoctrination or coersion, then your argument bears little weight.

I guess I was wrong in the sense that I instantly concluded Jamerio was a racist, but given all the other things he is it didn't seem like that far of a leap; still, it would be nice to know whether he thinks black people being linked to high crime rates is due to genetics, socio-economic factors, or something else.

My point was only that IF the stats are there (no idea if they are, would hope they are not) we can make predictions with them. I 100% agree that islam is not a race, and I didn't mention a possible reason let alone genetics as the reason.

You even said it yourself... "it would be nice to know whether he thinks black people being linked to high crime rates is due to socio-economic factors"

A reason that could fit perfectly with what I said. For me, if the stats are solid, I would assume it is due to social reasons and not genetics. I certainly assume social reasons for terrorists, in no way do I suggest some people are genetically predisposed to suicide bombing :) doesn't change the fact that the majority of suicide bombers are muslim

The problem with this, as I see it, is that you give racist statistical kevlar; "I'm not a racist, I'm supspicious of black people because the statistics say I should be". Eventually, you get to the point where people forget it's about statistics and start ascribing it to the only obvious difference between us and them: the colour of our skin.

But still, I don't think we should simply deny there is a problem with the socio-economic status of minorities in this country: I am simply reticent to endorse claims which can so easily be turned by a racist mind, or misconstrued by a virtuous one.

My brother argued a similar point against me before.. ok not similar at all but I hope you understand why I mention it.

We were debating 911 conspiracy theories and we got to the point where he just said that if he was in power he would censor any website debunking 911 conspiracy. Even if it were not true it would serve to rally the people against the government and end the war, thus saving iraqi kids legs being blown off.

Frankly I just don't know how to respond to that

The best way would be to no longer quote statistics and instead look to the cause of the statistics, and quote that finding rather than the one that can be misconstrued. However, even a statement such as "Black people commit more crime because they are economically underpriveleged" can be turned by the racist mind: "Black people are underpriveleged because they lack the mental ability to succeed in western society" - However, this is a much easier argument to refute than one of statistics, and, indeed, is much more appauling to the man who holds no racist grudges.

That is why an argument of statistics is so cunning, it removes the base nature of racism and replaces it with math; it makes racist statements more palatable, and while it may not seem like racism at first, it will quickly turn into it.

iz dat u mr Levitt?

"Predictions" and "actions" are made from statistics in the world every day.

Why should this be any different?

BTW google "London Knife Crime" and the first 3 images are of black people. I suppose google search algorithm is racist too?

http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q...amp;tab=wi

Divide hit nail on head TBH.

OMFG you are so incredibly retarded you can't even read what's in your own links.

the pictures show black people protesting AGAINST knife crimes, or is that punishable mtoo?

Jesus Christ I can't believe you are actually capable of typing.

oh my god. that's so owned. One should be allowed to plus this post more.

This might help you understand:

He also adds about 20lb's to any russian he sees.

You got it wrong, replace the knife with a 12" throbbing thick cock.

It's true, jesus may have fucked up their hair but he sure made up for it downstairs.

wait, jesus made black people?

You served him =)

The fact that they were protesting AGAINST knife culure is not relevant and it's pointless going on about intelligence because you totally missed the point, but it's a good example how smarter people can be seen as inferior when idiot's assume a role of judge and jury.

What IS relevant is that their colour is strongly affiliated with knife culture whichever way you look at it.

Did it ever occur to you and the trigger happy plusser's that most people who protest against something do so regarding issues that are close to their heart or related to their community?

1000's of people protest about issues every day which mean everything to them, but mean absoultely nothing to other's.

Why is that I wonder????

Whether these people are protesting or not, what's relevant is that whichever way you look at it, black people seem to have a strong presence in this area.

You can argue that they are protesting against knives.

I can just as easily argue that they are protesting against knife issues, because the subject is strongly related to the black community in the first place and therefore the community feel a greater need to address it. Just as the Muslim community feel a greater need to address mis-conceptions of terrorism vs their faith.

I'm not saying all black people are knife wielding thugs, I just saying that in London, there is a really strong knife culture which is strongly tied to black people.


That fact that those black people were protesting was likely to do with members of their immediate community being involvd, which actually enforces my point to those who see the big picture.

I can only wonder whether you mean yourself with "smarter people"...

If you ever get around to really being insightful and then read your posts again you would see the underlying racism. If that happens please let me know.

No other colour in London have a higer ratio of knife related crime linked to them than black people.

Bitch all you want, it's a fact and my views are based on fact's.

I'm racist, ha I have a huge selection of black music, do you really think I have spent 100's of hours listening to it while secrely thinking i hate these niggaz?

Just goes to prove my point that the real problem with racism is people like you adding FALSE FUEL to the fire.

You cant talk about nothing these days without some bitch screaming racism, which is almost like a get out of jail free card for non white people.

Havign a hard time, scream racism!!!!

bla, bla.

It's funny how you still claim to be objective while you put in words like "not surprisingly" and post links to relate black to knife crimes without any comment that they are actually protesting against them.

And that is the fucking problem with racism, those who openly admit it can be avoided, but those who try to spread it under a cover of objectivity often achieve to influence others.

People like you are the root of hate crimes, you set the moral background for more extreme people who will take it one step further.

Need proof? Read a history book, maybe about early Christians in Rome. Or jews in Europe. The crusades. The list goes on.
It always starts with someone of a minority doing something, only a little thing wrong. Then there is people who try to blame more bad things on them and at some point others listen to them. They get the notion in their head that "statistically speaking" the minorities are more often at fault. Then someone gets away with openly blaming the minority for something they did not do, cause noone listens to their defense. Sometimes a few members of the minority do something stupid out of frustration and the majority sees it as proof.
It all comes down to someone of the majority taking extreme measures and people like you standing at the sidelines either cheering or repeating how they didn't do anything bad but the others had it coming anyway.

But then again it happened so many times before, why shouldn't people like you succeed again this time? Learning? Bah!

oh and before you do maybe find statistics and post tehm I want to ask you a math related question to find out if you can actually 'read' statistics correctly.


assumptions:
10% of all people in a town are black.
black people are involved in 15% of all knife related crimes.
For this arguments sake, there are no other ethnic group than black and white.

possible conclusions:
a) a black person has a higher chance to be involved in a knife crime than a white person
b) blacks and whites are presented to the same degree
c) black actually are less involved in knife crimes than white people.


Which one is it?

try backing up your so called facts

i did a quick search and found several links (probably same source tho) that said that blacks have a higher chance to be victims of stabbings. Which he probably sees has a crime too...

he might be right in saying there are facts but you shouldn't stand so strongly on it without any claim

but knowing jamerio he likely got it from the sun or the mirror

oh I know there could be legit facts but as you said that doesn't necessarily mean he actually saw them if they do exist.

i was meant to say without providing evidence / sources not claim ;p

Lol, why the fuck should I provide sources to educate uninformed people for their lack of knowledge?
If people don't know and have better to add than "racist" then they you stay quiet.

But seeing as I love to educate the ignorant (especially when they act like judge +jury) then here we go.

http://www.london.gov.uk/gangs/docs/guns-weapons-report.pdf

Who is committing gun and knife crime?

In the three months to September 2005, those legally proceeded against for a gun or knife enabled crime tended to be male (90 percent), predominantly aged between 18 and 25 (53 percent) and were mostly either Black (47 percent) or White (38 percent).
Those aged between 10 and 17 accounted for over a quarter of those accused (28percent). (but black's only account for a minority %)

Source: MPS recorded crime

Now those figures are from a few years ago, in the last 18 months over 25+ people have been killed from stabbings, most of which are black.

At this point I would like to REMIND people that black people are a minority, so when they account for a majority of knife related crime then its not "surprising" that when future knife crime's are committed then the finger get's pointed at them.

wasn't hard was it?

if YOU make claims as fact then YOU back them up with evidence, not expect other people to do it or just assume you're correct because you say it's fact you fucking idiot

that's all

You marked the wrong part. :]

"Those legally proceeded against for a gun or knife enabled crime tended to be male (90 percent)"

OMG sexist!

Minority overall yes.
Minority in low socio-economic communities? I very much doubt it.

Lol, why the fuck should I provide sources to educate uninformed people for their lack of knowledge?

Cause that is how educated people argue.

Please do like all those other welshies recently and fucking kill yourself.

i agree and think people are being too harsh.

just because an ethnicity may commit more of a certain crime in a given area, doesn't mean it's caused by their genetics/race.

when in fact the real course of criminal behaviour is always linked to their experience in a given environment (economy, society, culture, community etc.).

there is nothing wrong with improving the environment of a community what ever race they may live in, there is a big problem with changing society directly i.e. social cleansing.

why are countries with mostly dark skin less developed? because they live in a much tougher environment. europe especially has had it incredibly easy, less predators, great climate causing less disease and more food etc. not having to worry about your survival leads to much more time for technological advancement. i'm sure their are even more strange links to environment and certain types of behaviour we don't even know about.

wanted to write this stuff since there has been a lot of bs about race recently.

also...
statistics in newspapers about a link between ethnicity and crime are almost always manipulated.

i remember seeing somewhere that a humans skins colour can change. there was a cruel example of a white woman in south africa i believe.

at the time SA was racially oppressive. she woke up one morning to find her skin had literally changed to black. so she became classed as a "lower class citizen". i can't recall names but it is true.

And during which part my forefathers had it "incredibly easy"? The part where they fought the russian oppression with basically sticks and stones against modern warfare in -40c temperature? Or when they had to mix wood into the bread in order to feed their families because on northern hemisphere it is so incredibly cold nothing grows on roughly half of the calendar year? Or when half of their children reached adulthood because of all the diceases?

No, we improved our living standars to 25 times the ones of those dudes at sunny and fruitful Honduras and Jamaica near a sea full of fish because we just were born so lucky.

He didn't say Scandinavia

So Scandinavia is part of which continent, if not Europe...
Australia?

By Europe he clearly meant UK/FR/DE/NL/IT area where what he says is somewhat true.

in the grand scale of things, that event is still very trivial. finland (i presume) is not prone to out breaks of disease and is rich in resources though much more difficult in winter but still available.

yes, enemies and possibly extreme temperatures are difficult in winter, but resources were still available and plentiful in summer and very little disease all round. once food was able to be stored and shipped in winter, there was very little worry of famine any more.

another example, uk industrial revolution, we had iron ore in the perfect location to process it into whatever we saw fit and economic freedom to develop the processing of iron ore, due to our location of having no immediate threat from enemies probably. china on the other hand had huge distances to cover to smelter the ore simply making it to difficult for an industrial revolution on the scale of britons.

some might say why did central america not develop? because there is strong evidence that america was colonised (before europeans) via artic circle.

nothing wrong with correlating race with crime, as long as the correct cause is clear.

and as ix said, i was speaking more about central europe, Scandinavia has only really been classed as part of europe in recent history.

might as well expand.

humans settled in jamaica much later than finland.

jamaica is in a hurricane region and also prone to tropical storms. no gas or coal, and only a very small amount of oil which isn't even enough for commercial purposes. since there is no coal, there is no way for them melt iron. and that's if they even have iron ore, i have no idea if they do.

incredibly easy? context?

scandinavia had famine from severe cold winters, maybe that's why finland wasn't the first to have an industrial revolution?

some parts of africa have draught, heat waves, famine, very high levels of disease and the way you sound like they should be on par with the advancement of finland is laughable.

damn internet arguments, gone

One of the last places humas settled was America, the wealthiest country today. Mankind originated from Africa, the poorest continent. What is your argument?

We don't need to even go back 50 years, and we can find countries like Finland were poor-ass developing sweatshop countries. I find it laughable how you go on about some predators and stuff, when they roamed around 10.000 b.c. How about the bloody 3 wars that killed half of the working men? How about the Black Death in Europe?

Your theory about surrounding starting resources = wealth is also common myth amongst people who don't know much about economics. According to this, each of the African countries should be equally wealthy, each of the American countries aswell, and each of the Asian countries, even though it doesn't go even nearly anything like that. How much do you genuinely know?

I think that is only half of the picture. If the life in a certain region is very tough, for example: jungle, up north, mountains and deserts
I would agree that people there simply have no time and ressources for vevelopement.

But on the other hand, if live is too easy there is no reason to improve things. e.g. life on a fruitful tropical island.

I believe there is need for some sort of opponent be it natural or other people to make developement necessary.
for example Middle Europe had somewhat tough winters for which they had to prepare, there were also different kinds of predators (wolf, bear) but those are all extinct by now.

And in different there were lots of enemies around which made it important to stay powerful. That worked well in Roman times and in the times following the rennaissance. However, seemed like too much of a task in medieval times, where we were definately behind the near east and China and so on.

Kudos to you if you're actually able to write that stuff without needing to laugh!

I searched for retard on google, guess what?
http://images.google.de/images?um=1&q=ret...rch+Images
So according to you, we can see that the skin colour white is strongly affiliated to being retarded. Wonder why? And even more important: which picture is yours? Hm.

racists ain't got nothing to laugh, yo. world is fucked up with all ze black and brown people. :(

"good example how smarter people can be seen as inferior when idiot's assume a role of judge and jury."

you can't fucking be serious...

Aw man plussed by mistakes, oh well..

Btw, gg rushed research that led to your demise :D

Its still racist. The individual decided to stab the other not because of his race or ethnicity. Trying to say that us whites are not prone to violence or something? Come on now, us white people kill and maim and have destroyed thousands of lives. After all, majority of serial killers are white :P But equally so, just becasue someone is white don't him racist even though a shitload of white paople in the past have kept black people as slaves. And in the past black men were lynched publically and killed just for looking at a white woman---it was a norm that blacks were to keep their head down and if they didn't there were serious repurcussions. I don't think white people are pacifists :P

You can hide behind statistic all you want, but presupposing a persons character based on skin colour is pretty much the definition of racism. sock

just read that, fully agree.

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Could've just quoted Einstein:
"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen."

I agree with all except for the black one to be honest, I wouldn't immediately make that leap, am I alone in this? Just really haven't associated knife crime with black people.

Indeed, when I read that I thought *20-30 male, no specific race, sporty clothing, hood* not GANGSTA NIGGA STABBIN IT UP or whatever came to Jamerio/Dirds head.

Speeding Youth Dies in Crash = Male Teen
Multiple Prostitutes Killed = Middle Aged Male
Teen Killed in Knife Attack = Late Teens-Early Twenties Male
School Shooting = America, Male
Mall Shooting = America, Male

idiot = pole

nothing wrong in racism. if someone doesnt like niggers or whiteys so what, its their opinions. novadays media and everyone just forces you to be overtolerant for everything and its just sick and wrong. racism is natural in every animal species.


and also racism is wrongly understood & used term in too many cases.

i for myself hate really much all romanians and black people here where i live except few. so i think im a "racist"

Yeah, except that, on a good day, I like to think that I'm atleast somewhat above the animals in my local zoo.

are you trying to say that you are not animal ?

I was very careful to say animals in a zoo.

then your comment has no actual point in it.

Animals in the zoo, meaning animals who are not human, animals who do not have freedom of thought, who lack the ability to reason, to communicate; drawing analogies between us and the animals of the jungle or zoo, to advocate racism, because they are so must we be, is an argument that manages to traverse all the known shades of idiocy.

its nice u lack sense of logical thinking, or you are just ignoring it.

His point is; if we adhered to every tiny survival instinct that no longer applies then instead of posting this right now I'd more than likely be out raping everything I see.

but that wasnt my point.

You can't make an argument and then apply the basis of the argument only to circumstances you see fit. Either it applies universally, or it doesn't, in which case it holds no value whatsoever.

You might be, but those people you're in here to defend aren't.

I wasn't born a racist nor raised one, but you go do full time Red Cross volunteer work after your town gets flooded with New Orleans refugees and see how you feel about them as a whole afterwards.

And their behavior was a product of genetics or circumstance?

The structure of society and the way they have been treated. So yeah it would be circumstantial. Eugenics movement was wrong and yes the Nazis read the american eugenics carefully. The way society and structure is set up that makes it unfair".

I agree, because you don't like one man doesnt make you a racist. But saying "its not surprising the guy was black" is.

Its not only black people who are the victims of racism, of course hispanics, jews, asians, and gay people would fit into this as well. But that is coming from american demographic.

but the idea of the "superior gene" only serves as "ego-candy".

It can be said too that some people think that only white people can be racist, and thats false too, there are probably nearly the same percentage of racist blacks and hispanics and jews. It shows the advantage of resources. The person who is oppressed and cannot get a fair start in his or her society who is racist doesnt have the same effect as the business owner who is racist and utilizes his racism in his business practices or hiring process.

In the last 18 months over 25+ people have been killed in London, most of which were black people (victim/attacker).
that's a fact ok. go research.

I find this pretty amazing given they are supposed to be a minority, so its far from co-incidence.

I see nothing wrong with assuming a certain group of people are MORE THAN LIKELY (but not directly blaming beforehand) to be responsible for something based on their past history on the related matter.

The world would collapse if it stopped basing it's opinnion's and forcasts on pasts event's, but as soon as an immigrant is involved the rude scream "RACISM!!!".

It's ironic to the core and I shan't shed a tear if you've become a co-dependant victim of the media.

Okay, you know what? You win. Here's your prize:

[+]

the "not surprisingly" makes you racist.
Face it, would have jumped on the NSDAP bandwagon...

"not surprisingly" does yeah because it means you have a presuppositional believe or a stereotypical belief on teh person on basis of color rather than taking the person as an individual who has committed a stabbing.

Which is interesting when it comes to the jews. Like the comical idea "when all else fails, blame the jews". I agree with the person i dont know who I think it was Weisel not sure--but said that "collective projection" has been placed on the jews. I think "collective projection" is a great term because i think it applies to other races or ethnic groups too. Of one group blaming a different group for traits it possess. Individual projection is "Person A hates Person B for being evil. Person A unconsciously associates the behavior of Person B with what he doesnt like about himself unconsciously. So Person A blames Person B for being evil---when in fact its only becasue of some characteristics he sees within himself unconsciously." So yeah, being white and thinking we are the civil people who are not violent---yet we are---its easy to see how we can project violence and drug addiction upon minorities.

I hope people can see the difference between judging colour based on an action and judging action based on a colour. It's a subtle but important difference.

Imagine a hypothetical situation where the entire world has been free of crime for more than 100 years. Not even so much as a handbag theft has occured. Then all of a sudden a radical racist crime syndicate of white men appears on the scene. Because they are a racist crime syndicate they only indoctrinate other white men into it.

Now for ten years this crime syndicate has been committing murders, robberry etc for financial gain. So 100% of crime on the entire planet for 10 years has been perpetrated only by people who are white.

Now in this situation I would not say 'white people are more likely to commit crimes'. That is basically saying regardless of any social situation any given white person is more likely to commit a crime, which is just not true.

But it would be perfectly legitimate to say 'A crime is more likely to be have been commited by someone who happens to be white'. It's not racist at all, in fact the only racists in this story are the criminals.

Maybe its because they have less possibilities than whities on such xenophobic culture as yours, so they end breaking bad.

how cool is this, a real life stabbing just like in gta!

Thats another part of the erroneous idea some people have about violent video games, they think it will translate or generalize onto real human interactions. Thinking that people will play this game and then go out and commit crimes as the result. They do say though, that violent video games desensitize peopel to violence. But it doesnt take responsibility for people's actions though. The person was already predisposed to violence prior to the game--so it wouldnt be the game's fault.

love gta4

hate chavs

:<

true :>

prolly he was butthurt cos the main characters weren't brothas :<

http://bp0.blogger.com/_aFUgHABZUG4/R0cFMRPKc...pegoat.jpg



best explenation i could think of ^^

"Not surprisingly it was a black guy that did it."

not surprisingly, jamerio made this retarded comment.

Turns out the victim and the attacker weren't queuing up for the game. They were actually coming from the pub. Ban alcohol I say. Also you're a fucking idiot jamerio.