YE OLDE FASCINATING INDIVIDUAL

quake only plz !

1 DM 1v1, 1 Team DM
gl

I can see dozens of teams traveling to events overseas. Dozens.

especially wsw teams

not yet ;-)

i can see dozens of ppl travelling for 4 "dead" games, dozens!. So your arguement is these games are dead?

Yea it's not like half the people on this site and in NA (who are almost never playing duels) are playing CTF/tdm scrims either when servers fill up or on various irc channels and in scrims, along with all the good players active.

Not to take away anything from Streetrunner who sounds great, and i have respect for doing this, but either way 1 game for 1v1 and a team game most likely using that 1 game makes alot more sense than combining 4 dm games into 1, all of which are not popular. Carmac don't act like i'm clueless compared to you (Rofl) and that you don't need a big effin clue most of the time. Glad to see GGL has lived up to what AGP is aspiring to be all these years, and how they made themselves out to be in the beginning. thankfully DM has had them and all their incredible tournaments they kept saying would happen and *GiRl* GaMerz* to keep it all going. Now we can have Team tournaments!

The GGL stab is quite irrelevant since Carmac left them. Duel is just as alive if not more than team games in NA, I can hope in a server and get a game faster than people can join up, connect to the server, determine captains then pick teams which usually takes around an hour it feels. But I am not here to bash team games because you will see me joining on the regular but in order to offset DM games from other gametypes I think duel is the way to go. It offers the excitement and player focus that the AGP is aiming for. Duel is probably the more feasible and stable choice and that is not to say that once they gain a foundation then there is room always for expansion.

uhh no it's not irrelevant, not really because carmac ever had a real say in their direction (though he probably had influence), but because carmac can't ever wait for me to trip in one of his threads and talk down to me or just write me off as some kind of troll for a long time now because otherwise he's historically been wrong. And it just as always rarely works. He also only left (jumped ship) like what a month ago. The criticism i pointed out has been long standing with them for far longer (years). It's also worth noting the similarities between GGL when they first started and the AGP in terms of their stated outlook/business model or whatever. In AGPs defense however the contrast seems to be Streetrunner himself.

Carmac's point is that DM is too dead to field teams, which is totally counter to what Streetrunner is proposing and doing (that it isn't and theres a major fanbase). So my point was not which mode is more popular but that carmac's wrong, again, and that it would be much livelier internationally with a tournament as well obviously, as opposed to 4 different 1v1 games combined with relatively low activity for each. Nothing to do with comparing 1v1 and teams.

I actually would rather just see more and/or bigger 1v1 tournaments, for 1 game. It just seemed like he wanted to do something big with DM hence i made that suggestion. It works better with a more popular game.

I only mentioned DM team because it seemed like he wanted to do more than just 1 game with the same tournaments over a long period. So since it looked like they might have wanted to keep it 'fresh' with 4 different games or something, i thought the better suggestion to have a team competition instead along with the main duel platform, to get more people involved in that as well. But the 4 game format i think is too out there. can you imagine czm practicing just q3 and wsw? Or anyone that's going to school and/or working? DM is complex enough as it is, 4 games is gonna be saturation

Anyway nice interview Carmac, looking forward for the second part tomorrow.

You should really see the bigger picture because it is not even aout how many teams actually play the game.

looks like he's gonna spit, or holding back vomit

so, that's golf it's about ?

dudes.. i like this dude

Makes me want to get involved in DM again :)

oh, I can't wait for that!

Go 1n1 =]

PCI express > AGP

PCIe 2.0 yeah

a lot of ppl are arguing on this, but the difference is like 4 to 5, so not mutch of a deal.

cash rules everything around me, CREAM get the money (dolla dolla bill y'all)

you are the man streetrunner!

Question! Hopefully, Jarod, you will read this:

And that has been the case forever. No consistency. Growing this sport has been about having tournaments with no consideration much for the fanbases or players. Just whatever game is chosen.

And yet I can't imagine up to a mere two major tourneys per game per year for four different games as consistent. I mean, I believe it's only going to discourage year-round practice, which in turn may lower the quality of matches for both the players and spectators as well as overall turnout, especially if points will roll over from game to game. How do you think aiming for consistency will enhance such a format? Or is 2009 simply a trial-and-error year to see which communities will flourish from this?

(So...Jarod finally cut his hair eh?)

good question. if he doesn't address it here, maybe some it will be covered in the next interview

Well, based on what he's said, you know the games are going to remain the same each year unless the players decide to change the game...in which case it sounds like you'd know well ahead of time. So you're not playing the same game year-round, but at least you know what 4 games will be used.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/nthexwn...hmatch.jpg

Give this dude a carrot!

haha wow thats cool

still hella excited to see how this works out =D
looking for pt2 of interview

Oh, and by the way:

CPM < WSW

;D

Except for CPM TDM right? I'm assuming that's how you feel considering you're Polish.

Well, I hope Streetrunner has a good amount of financial logic and business sense. We know the games will be good, hopefully he doesn't spend $50,000 per event on lighting for the LAN, then suddenly AGP is no more...

Go Streetrunner!

yeah, I wonder about the financial aspect as well. Where does all the money come from? Any sponsors already?

From the article:

"We are not concerned with having events with thousands of gamers that might watch if they happen to walk by a showmatch at a time unannounced."

tbh i would much prefer to watch team based stuff over 1v1. The old competitions like LA7 (?) and the QCON team based stuff were so much more interesting to watch, but i guess aren't so cost effective for teams or for prize money.

Also I think duel is just way easier to get across in a comprehensible way without the audience being hardcore gamers. That should play it's part too :).

ack i guess so, team based things have an edge for me though.
Except CS or course... :)

only quake pls !! ut is brainles spamming nyway so not realy nice to watch!!!

No matter what these whiners on esr say, what's the kind of ppl the dm scene needs. Even if some fails, there should be someone that succeeds.

hmm

sounds great, but i wonder it will actually work as planned. right now it seems a little bit like day dreaming

how can you have a strong belief in 1v1 when qw or cpm isn't even on the list :E

I think most people commenting on the games are missing the point. 1v1 is more than a specific game, it's the format which is the same throughout all games. Try explaining your parents or gf the idea of 1v1, itemcontrol and weaponhandling, it's universal through all games mentioned here.

If you want to reach a broader audience, and go beyond the hardcore dm fps scene, QW isn't an option. No matter the level or quality of competition :).

Meaning it's not about which game is technically or gameplaywise superior, QW isn't an option because of it's age in my eyes.

well said.

maybe thats half the problem with getting gaming into a wider audience.

If the emphasis isn't on the game being competitive, with lots of room for self improvement. then you're left with whatever the newest 'good game' is. If every 2 or so years you're changing the featured game to a newer one you will lose some of your audience and hope to generate a new one. Compare it with sports on TV and you have a stark contrast, football rarely has any rule changes and you can follow it for your entire life.

A perfect example would be the recent pro leagues strugging as a result of picking newer games that weren't so supported and losing their community.

I think this is just an example of one of the hurdles that 'esports' is facing.

Maybe when graphics get so detailed and so real that it no longer matters on how good the game looks, maybe developers will turn to the gameplay and we will see some games that can hold a large audience for an extended period (10 years?)

But that's the knack: New games don't equal starting from zero and learning it. Top players from older games fare well in the newer ones too. Huge games with big communities reach higher level of competition in less time than for example Warsow. Simply because the top players migrate to their new game. That's the ultimate proof of the validity of the thought of having multiple games imo; it shows how it's not all about the game, but about the player and the skills too.

Roughly the same shit happens in a quake4 compared with a quake3, just nuances change. That even could be said for seemingly bigger differences such as UT3 vs wsw or quake.

The rules don't change, small nuances change. Frankly I find the sports comparison a bit problematic; because you can always make up another reason why it wouldn't resemble, but to bring up an older one: In tennis people play on different surfaces too. The rules are the same but the 'gameplay' changes.

FPS games are still about killing the opponent and controlling resources, tennis is still about returning the ball over the net :P.

imagine introducing a new tennis surface every 2 years. or regularily changing the shape of a football pitch/goals.

As for the top gamer theory, thats all well and good, but you need fresh players coming through - and you would hope this would primarily come from people viewing the game first. These players are going to be learning from scratch. Admittedly so are football players, but they aren't have format changes. Also because of the constant updating to a new game, you end up with a fragmented community such as what we have now.

Imagine relying on a new title every few years to keep/bring that community together, it just seems terribly unstable, especially to market.

There are possibilities with it but we need a stable game over an extended period to really get things going, quake3 and CS did a really good job of that, its a shame it wasn't built upon with the new game releases, in some ways things have gone backwards. We have all the systems in place, but alas no super prominent games to bring it all together.

Maybe thats why we have 4 games instead of 1? :) Although this format looks interesting i dont think it will last in this fashion

Meaning it's not about which game is technically or gameplaywise superior, QW isn't an option because of it's age in my eyes.

Hm, did not get this argument. Why QW is not an option, if it has stable, mature gameplay and constantly updated technology? What is so special about it's age?

The visuals and graphical style, it won't appeal to people (at least not the type of people you want to interest for it - the 'casuals' :P).

So you mean that Warsow is more visuallly appealing for casual (FPS) player than QW?

I really like Warsow, but let me doubt it. I consider both games are equal in this respect. Both has quite unique atmosphere, which will not suit every gamer. For example, some of my fellow Quake players did not like Warsow just because accoroding to their words "it is looking strange".

I think that WSW was chosen because of fast growing and active community, which has worldwide span. QW age has nothing to do with this choice.

I really like Ut3 Q4 CPM and PainKiller...but i dont like Warsow...cuz something is strange in this game...And i dunno what is it...

I dont like it and i dunno why :s

SO BIG INTERVIEW

GIANT WALL OF TEXT

MUST SPLIT INTO TWO PARTS

SK NEEDS TEH MONEY

2 HITS PER WEEK == MONEY

YOU HAVE NO EYES.

This is what they have done in starcraft, they show a small video of the players introducing themselves and helping them grow a fan base. This is really what i think one big reason starcraft is actually popular.

You don't connect to the players by watching them in game, you have to be presented with who they are. Things like them showing an unhappy face after they get fragged and things like that really help us connect with the player. This is what i believe is missing from e-sports as a whole. Sure its alot easier to appeal to a fanbase thats already established like clans and what not, but they are only so big, and to connect to the majority of spectators you have to let them get emotionally involved.

thats what i think : )

This idea has merit.

It kind of reminds me of WEC or UFC. I know basically nothing about MMA fighting or the fighters themselves, but these leagues do a good job with the pre-fight, introducing each player, etc.

I basically decide who I want to root for based on what they say and how they act in these interviews.

Great idea, imo.

hmmmm, I want to read moar.

Illusions of grandeur.

that hair is awful

Did I understand that right:
4 (major) events per year, each event featuring another game?
What about the point system? Does the one with the most points in the end of the year get additional money? This is really confusing and doesn't really fit to what he says about consistency and not focusing on multiple games.

Personally I believe one game (Q3 that is) would be better, but anyway If it works out, it's gonna be awesome ;-)

FANTSATSIC WANT TO KISS THIS DUDE

bumping this thread!