woohoo! pretty fast nice one!

what? oO

only if pov? I'll wait for mvd...

As far as I know they don't excist. However, maybe the guys from QuadV recorded them but I doubt it.

I have some mvd's, but not all, quit the second Vo0-draven match 'cause I accidentily spammed 'DAYUM!' :P

hehe

sooooo -forward
really destroys all beauty of quake

but hey stelam was also +back on ztn so...

scoreS?

cures insomnia

ztn was intense

find it rather weird for a person like voO to make such a move at the end of ztn, would have thought he knows better with the experience he has on games & pressure.

personaly I find it lucky that if-22 won in the end at ztn.
rather extremely defensive play on all games, but then again, I bet people with no superb aim have to play like this to win.

Not saying if-22 or voO's aim are bad, not at all, but compared to the others coming to eswc, no chance.

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wasn't this voo's first big vq3 tourney?

afaik, yes
i know he played OSP for a while, but have never heard of him playing cpma/vq3 until now

blablabla

Nice work by if22. Not flamboyant, but thoughtful and efficient. In this world of "+forward run,run kill kill " , if22 win with is brain.Maybe no chance in ESWC ,but it win Dutch qualifications. Congratulations

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aaah the good old if-22 +back style.... we all missed it :S

I think the mistake if-22 did on ztn was - he did not put enough pressure on Vo0 when they were fighting for the megahealth, if-22 was leading like 3-0, Vo0 fired grenades to megahealth and if-22 let him to take it w/o doing any damage on him, dont know why..

i figured it out long time ago.

->>> IF-22

IF you see an enemy on your screen, run 22 strafejumps away.

Plot of the joke was excellent.

However I think it's to long of a sentence to remain all of it's funny-ness, nonethe less an excellent joke.

well thank you.

I just noticed..

IF-22 is leetspeak, if-zz ...

what?

exactly!

haha they don`t mean it ... they don`t have any chance at masters :) it was horrible:(

watched dm9 and halfway through ztn..then i fell asleep..

epic match!

man the ztn is so slow, you can watch it timescale 3 and still get everything.

lol :D

Somehow, the guys whining about if-22:s style are all noobs.
You are the best player to be critical, but I'm sure you are completely chanceless against him yourself.

Also, see the match against Draven, who is a clearly better player than Falcuma in q3; if-22 doesn't play defensive at all but rolls over the opponent.
It seems like the extremely defensive play is something he goes to when he is under pressure, a situation only good players manage to put him in.

well of course its skill
italy is also skilled in defending in soccer thats how they won the world cup but still izts fucking shit and boring and i hate games or sports where being defensife is rewarded ;(
still i like q3 .. a bit

if its so rewarding to play ultra defensive, why isnt everyone else also playing like that?
imho different playing styles are a blessing and make watching q3 much more interesting
so im really glad if-22 lives up to all the +back hype from the past

I hope you enjoyed the show yesterday :p

yes thank you :))) i ha..eh dont like italian soccer that much

"Somehow, the guys whining about if-22:s style are all noobs.
You are the best player to be critical, but I'm sure you are completely chanceless against him yourself."

i always love when some1 argues like this.. ^^
yes.. i am noob.. but i dont need to be best quaker to recognize nice game.. or +back game.. i dont need to be best movie director to recognize good/bad movie.. got it?

Worst argument ever.
That's like saying you don't have to know how to play a game of "go" to enjoy two pros go at it.
NO WAIT.

i didn't tell i've never seen Q3 match..
your's and his argument is like "u didnt beat if-22 so cant know if he played good or not.. " - thats bullshit..

Man please what's the link between what I said and the things you are responding ?

Quote: Do I need to stand a chance against a Nation President to whine and argue about his politics ?

Your point his senseless. Even if I get owned by if-22, I could still watch the game timescale 3. (his pov I mean :p)

Get it ? :D

i only watch dmeos wiht timescale 2 but this time i got on 2.5 :/

I enjoyed ztn game. Am I masochist?

geeez.. take a pillow before u start watching this..
massive +back game.. standard if-22..

WHINE

all +back uh? but still hes the best q3 player in NL and probably he wins every match against all of u guys..

stop the whining.. if22 ownz nuff said..

People just likes to say iff22 +backs everytime. Whatever he does, always +back. Ok, he is defensive, but Cooller +backed shitload of times (ie, 5 fucking minutes vs czm on pdm6, CPL 06 finals), but he doesn't get such amount of trolling (because he is Cooller).

yea and look where it got him. czm made a crazy comeback in no time, not to mention +back too early cost cooler the title in another tourney IIRC. hope if22 can make his style work in eswc, but I don't think he'll stand much chance against the likes of czm /cypher etc.

cooller doesnt +back ..its cooller man

$ ztn :D

Sorry but I have to get this off my back...
Can we just back away from these back-to-back +back comments? Put them to the back of our minds and get back to backing Quake?

It's just not fun to watch. But it's the game's fault, not the player's. Players just do what they need to do to win.

WOOOOOOOSH

Um, OK. He was saying stop complaining about people's play styles and just support Quake. I don't see my reply as that irrelevant. But OK.

WOOOOSH

ah HA!
CLEVER!
please, do go on!

this feels like a backhanded comment :/...

no sir, not at all!
you were being witty and quirky, i wish to see more!
huzzah!

wtf, backhanded?

All whine about xerp and +back and now, tennis?

We've reached another low!

He got served.

hahaha

haha the good old + back whine.... i lolmost missed it XD

+back

if-22 plays well, maybe his defensive style is a bit boring but it just won't work against more skilled players imo. Vo0 also played well but he looks a bit inexperienced, made some mistakes that he souldnt have, still wp and nice match.

i remember PG Challenge 2k2 (?) .. final between Lexer and if-22 .. ZTN score was 1:0 for lexer.. 1:0 !!! wtf ^^ lexer was timing whole map except upper yellow which camped if-22..he was camping and eating till he had 200 armor.. then tried to attack but suddenly lexer equiped him with 2-3 slugs and if has had nothing left to do only +back back to upper yellow.. ^^ whole 15 minutes like this.. CSers were watching whattahell is going on there. :D..

fox - cooller @ qlan ??!?!?!

-1/0

hehe.. quake-representative games.. ^^

demo link?? :DDD qlan1? map?

hah I remember this :D

if-22 skill is mainly pacience..isn't fun to watch but in competitive gaming,fun isn't the point,winning is.

the games weren't not fun to watch? i doubt those who actually watched the games are the ones whining here like bitches

@ ztn, if bored, just /ff 14:00, then HF :)

Great games.
If22 is just brilliant, he might not have the smoothest movement or insane aim, but what he definately has is a brain. His prediction and knowledge about the opponent, wow, that was refreshing to see, after all the Guard and Unity clones raging through the maps and complaining about xerp when not winning.

And of course, LOL at all the avarage Joes laughing at anybody who has the skill to play any different. LOL .

Writing "lol" "LOL" doesn't make it funnier.

Honestly, I think most of the people saying "+back" are just complaining that it's boring to watch. I doubt many of them would take anything away from If-22's skill. The game is broken, not the players.

it's not boring when cooller does it though.

Why do you keep saying the game is broken or it's the games fault? Games should allow players to play in a different style and not punish for doing so - otherwise every player and every match is going to be a clone.

Keep up the diversity! (And people always whine - all aim no brain, +back, brainless charging cost the match, etc - the wonders of giving everyone with an opinion a voice!)

You're right, a diversity in play-style keeps things more interesting on the whole. From a spectator standpoint, however, I think a game that rewards *heavily* defensive play is poor, unless somehow defensive play is made to be interesting to watch. In vq3, no, it's not interesting to watch.

do you even know what you´re talking about? if-22 vs voo? because those games were certainly interesting and exciting. also, what fps do you play?

Yes, I know what I'm talking about. if-22 vs vo0, especially on ztn.

I've played promode for 2-3 years now. Before that I played vq3 for maybe a year. Also played Painkiller. At least 95% of my playing experience is in 1v1.

just as i thought, a typical cpmer taking any opportunity to blather about how 'boring' and 'slow' vq3 is. for us people who actually like q3, a 6-5 ztn game that goes to double overtime is neither boring or uninteresting, so beat it and go comment on the vastly popular and entertaining PK/cpm demos you love so much, please.

Some vq3 matches are pretty fun to spectate. I didn't think that one was. Am I allowed to have an opinion even though I don't play vq3? I bet you have opinions on the spectatability of guitar hero and Counter-Strike (or other random X game) without playing them like an addict.

no! you´re not! and who doesn't love guitarhero demos?

youre right tbh - i enjoyed the game, because it was so tense.

with both of them having so few frags, it made the next frag all important

agreed. this was actually one of few ztn games I enjoyed.

unkind death

powpowpow

Most games become flawed at a high level becaue top players are able to exploit and utilise it's full potential so it leaves little scope for innovation/opportunity to claw things back.

People underestimate what iffy does, he plays a very flawless game (in the skillset he has) for a solid 15 mins.

When he's low on health armour he disappears, avoids further damage, 60 seconds later he's stacked again, he seldom throws silly frags away and he reads the game really well. that's harder to see than players who have obvious flair, but if he's on form any player is going to have to work hard to beat him on maps like dm6/ztn/dm13 cos' he will make you work like a horse for every frag.

I agree with everything you said.

yeah except it's nothing special, considering skills VQ3 skill and if-22 vq3 tournament experience he should have rolled him much more than this

I like Vo0 a lot, he is a great player and likely the best CPM player but he's hardly a top VQ3 player, if-22 didn't have a reason to run he's not playing someone who has total control over everything while applying pressure for the whole map (czm-jibo, z4muz-czm, cooller-cypher, cypher-evil)

go watch cooller cypher demos from the previous asus tournament and you'll see what perfect prediction really is then you can come back and try saying the same thing about if-22

the difference is absurd and what he did in these games isn't going to work at the masters event and nor the finals.

although I'm happy if22 proved everyone wrong and hope he continues to do well because I love rooting for the underdog, I highly doubt he's going to do anything 'impressive' from now on.

give him a minute. It's a big adjustment running with new lead boots.

:DDD

Am I the only one that loves if-22's style of play?
I honestly think it's pretty awesome, it's a very distinct style and it shows to be pretty effective.

And to all the people saying it's slow, again, it's working why would he be hopping all over the place if this proves to be efficient?

itz lame. do you enjoy +back boxing sport? lol

itz lame. do you enjoy +back boxing sport? lol

Just to see what you're gonna respond with now... yes I do enjoy +back boxing sport

oh, than u enjoy also football games with less goals?

Yes

rofl

are you Italian by any chance?

haha I see what you did there, and nope:P

nah its like Jamerio above stated he plays rock solid on his own level and its more interesting to watch than a 1v1 cess feast like "go quad on dm6" :x

I actually liked it too.

i really enjoyed the games vs voo! i think his style is nice, very frustrating for his opponent sure, but variety is the spice of life. one minute everyone on esr is complaining because vq3 is just +forward charging with minigun/lg etc and now people are whining because if22 plays a defensive, tactical game? come on! :D

go if22!

astz i wonder if "IF-22" played ut2k4 with +back +shield im guessing it would be a force to be reckoned xD

one minute everyone on esr is complaining because vq3 is just +forward charging with minigun/lg etc and now people are whining because if22 plays a defensive, tactical game? come on! :D

Infinite +es for you!

lol guys..i seriously don't understand what is so awesome about it...i just watched vo0's pov from the end of ztn and if he +backed properly there would be no if-22 on eswc.. he kinda let him tie by jumping into open space with 5seconds to go.. if's +back style might be smart in some ways but overall i fail to see its efficiency..vo0 is a cpm player and he practically had him beaten 2:0 anyway..

Completely rolled over Draven, who is considered a pretty good player, before that. Also, if-22 came from the winner bracket and had already beaten vo0 earlier, vo0 needed two series anyway.

ehhh vo0 beat if-22 earlier in the poule stage on nodm9, and was then removed from the UB by draven (semi final UB vo0 vs draven and me vs if-22).
Then if-22 beat draven (WB final), vo0 beat me (LB) and they (vo0 and draven) had a rematch in LB grand final, which vo0 won.

I'm the worst +back player ever! I just can't help it, blame cpm/pk! :P

give credit to cpm/pk! :P
fixed.

your style is $$$ keep playing vq3 please.

will you be going to finals? all the cpm fanboys are rooting for you \o/
then maybe we can get a VQ3 done by Vo0 video?

no we arent :/

then you just suck @ fanboyism

i find myself a perfectly fine fox/czm fanboy thank you.

all this flame about if-22's +backing is just the offspring of some GTV spam from 2002.
if nobody already thought his playstyle was lame, nobody would be complaining. its just that its kind of what people expect to see, and what people look after, when they watch an if-22 game.
silly really

IF-22 once played hub3aeroq3, he went thru the rail teleporter and got stuck in an endless loop due to +back

wouldn't be a problem if he was playing cl0ck

Isn't this the guy who would get 1 frag on ztn, then run away hiding at teleports for the whole match, years ago? Zzzz

fancy that, the one moment of +forward is the only interesting part of the game...

cpma.vq3 demos are boring, lg only - i don't care if osp lg was bugged , players were using more weps a'ka crazy rl & rg.

Now players meet on map- 'zzap zzap' and on dies - and whole game like that.
Well I think that osp demos were more entertainmenting.
-- end of thoughs--

I can't wait for main eswc games!

While I miss the speed of OSP (making bridge to rail in my sleep) the weapon balance on LAN is pretty much the same to me.

What I don't miss is the -5% accuracy for every 15 ms of ping I got in OSP. Pretty much three steps forward and one step back IMO.

If you think cpma vq3 is lg only you are being ignorant.

it is almost only ghostbuster only yes if one picks the lg on dm6 and you DONT do that to its over ..lg just too overpowered there is no weapon with which you can fight vs someone who is using lg vs you

Then how come I keep dieing?:<

?
when you would said you dont use lg and still win it would be strange

i guess you mean you use lg but still lose well the others lg is just better

well the others lg is just better

[arrogance] unlikely[/arrogance]

dont get it

vq3 players moaning about +back, i lol'd

cpm player moaning about vq3 players, i lol'd

i didnt tho, and v0o is a q2/cpm player so...........

your comment makes little sense in this context.

What's so special about his playing style? I didn't find it boring at all. The guy makes the best out of what he has. He doesn't have a killer aim so he uses different tactics to kill his opponent... That sounds like a clever way of playing imo :)

I hope he'll do good at ESWC (same for vo0 btw!)

yeah, I found these demos entertaining

just annoying watching someone play defensive when they have no reason to be doing so and I imagine if22 can rush well because he clipped walls no more than 5 times, his movement while not rapid was so bloody good.

I don't even find him very defensive. On DM6 he ran halfway across the map chasing a frag at least twice, though once was in the last 30 seconds. Against draven, I can't say he was avoiding fights at all.

im happy if22 won, will be fun to see him matched against fox, the russians, rapha, cypher etc. good luck staying in the positive figures!

+back to the future

ggs!

hahahahaHAhaha

Really a good thing he qualified, it shows that many styles can compete at top level... and not only all aim, rush&jump cpmer-wanabees.

well there are games like Quake for ppl who like action..
and there are games like CS for ppl who like to spent their game time behind crates, corners and lonely, waiting some1 comes first...

i'm fairly certain that what we're seeing here isn't at a "top level" compared to what's going to happen in august. i'm fairly confident that if-22's opponents in san jose are going to put up a wall of dildos for him to run into when he tries this nonsense.

it'll be funny, just like last eswc if-22 played in, when he quits for being goose egged by players like fox.

A good defensive Quake 3 play is hard to find, but if-22 seems to be such a player. I don't like this way of playing though. It's like going "nener nener nener catch me if you can".

ok, someones got to say it...............











+back

you're late

+Back style might be just a relic of terrible net connections. I mean this in the sense that someone will play +back for an entire game, even when they're in control of a map. But +back, or defensive style, can be used to throw the tempo of the game off. If you're playing someone who is +forwarding a lot, a little +back will kill their tempo/pacing and might be a bit demoralizing for them. I really believe that being in control also means setting the pace of the game. Controlling armors is an easy way to set the pace, but even without controlling the items, it's still possible to control the pace by being sneaky or using tricky strats.

if-22 controlled the pace of his games well, which is almost as important as controlling armors/weapons, imo.

before the first overtime on ztn was magic.