if you're looking for something as a multiplatform solution, if you don't take a hard look at id Tech 5, then you are making a very, very bad mistake. Probably a mistake that ought to cost you your job.

I'll keep that quote somewhere until Rage gets released.

smh. cosign.

i eat fried chicken.

Todd: Everybody loves to play FPS games at 60hz, and the pro guys want to run at 110 or whatever, but what we've found is especially for the driving feedback elements of it is that 60hz is really necessary to make it behave the way you want it to. Just from a technology standpoint it's important to recognise that what we're doing at 60hz, somebody could live with half the frame rate and double the visual fidelity in the game - make the game look completely different, but we're holding back on some of the things we could do from a visual standpoint because we feel like the frame rate is that important

Could somebody explain me what he REALLY wanted to say?

they are making the game with lesser detail than what they could so it runs with more fps.

gameplay > gfx

60hz gameplay sucks.

on consoles, it's fine. Ofcourse it's not gonna be capped on PC..

Yeah sorry I guess I misinterpreted that. I don't really care what the engine runs at if 30 was enough for quake. I am simply against having framerate be capped.

Frames will be capped at 60Hz internally for correct calculations. I guess you can run it with 300 frames if you like. But that are two different things.

q3 is 30 ;)

don't bother. deaf ears, all that...

sigh

His name has Go in it, so I trust him.

default is 20?

His nittpicking, the serverside runs at 20hz default, 30hz standard. But gfx fps are another thing...

60hz looks amazing on a 360 with a nice tv

LOL - PS3 OWNS that 360 shit
( You that much of a dumb fucker? )

As you embarrass our beloved flag..

ps3 runs at 30hz lololol

Quake 1 ran at 10hz iirc. Q3 runs at 20/30hz. graphical fps are different thing.

Arrh, is hollenshead supposed to be the left or the right guy?!

he's the guy with the howard stern hair. Dunno what picture you loaded. i hope it isn't goatse.

Todd could so make it as a porn star.

how can you tell from this picture? o_O

he's got the sleazy smile and a ponytail.

Todd: Todd: Todd: Todd: Todd: Todd: Todd: Todd: Todd: Todd: Todd: Todd: Todd: Todd: Todd: Todd: Todd: Todd: Todd: Todd: Todd: Todd:

"Todd: I think there are three people on the internet that keep making these posts that Doom 3 was "bad", and they get no credibility from any other people... there's some mass-misperception out there. I get this occasionally - why don't I think Doom 3 was successful? We sold over three million units! It's the most successful game in id's history."


Well i know at least "17" people on this site alone that know it IS "bad"
Over 3million units sold sounds good until you remember they were selling it at 1 £/$/€ a pop, don't sound so great now huh. Meh what a gaylord!

depends whether they mark their success by sales (which i'm sure they would) or customer satisfaction.

Ya selling a whole bunch of copies of a bad game, doesn't make it a good game. Just like a bunch of people going to see a bad movie, doesn't make it a good movie.

A good comparison would be: Britney Spears is a good singer/artist because she sold some CDs.

Dude, now that's just not fair.

britney used to be eye-candy.

Yet she wasn't known for selling magazines.

You can also judge the success of a game by it's successors. One could argue that the only reason people bought it ignorantly is because of the success of D2. I seriously doubt people are going to rush off to buy D4.

They will, cause the default casual gamer don't reads - he just buys, hence gothic3 which was covered a thousand times from different magazines and it got a very bad rating - it still sold good.

Man it breaks my heart to have doom2 in the same sentence as d3

Where?

shhh ; )

You just did it ;)

Yea but Vedic already broke it and id way before that.

Last games I bought from ID were Doom3, Quake 4 and ET:QW. All three were crap and I don´t think I will buy one of their games again. I am very sorry but their ideas about gameplay were not that enjoyable.

I hope Quake Live will be a success but compared to Q3 the multiplayer experience with 4+ players on a server is not really good right now. Aside from that I would love to see decent new maps and rocket arena.

Doom3 was a AAA SP game, cgi-like gfx with realtime shadows plus the arcade styled linear gameplay standard for id games. Could it been better? Obviously! Everything can be improved. But at one point you have to go gold and release, otherway you either go bankruptcy or youre developing duke forever. It sold well because it was a great experience, i remember buying my first 5.1 home theater just to play it copped with a 29"tv and a dark room it was the sh1t.. I also remember the gf of a friend that started to shake badly and made me quitting the game cause she got so inmersed that she was about to had a stroke.

Those that judge D3 with a multiplayer quake-biased mindset are the only ones talking sh1t.

100%

yeah true, doom3 is one of the most scary games out there, i think most guys are playing it with their mother on their lap and they're wondering why it "sucks".

Was it even half as good as doom2.... NO, now bugger off.

Lol Doom 2 would be boring for someone now a days. It doesn't have an involving story, and it isn't scary. I'm not saying its a bad game though, if I had of played it in the 90s I would of loved it, I'm sure.
But honestly... It's 12:00 mid night, and your all alone on the house. You have 2 options play D2, or D3... your gonna pick D3....

And I'm sure if Doom 3 had of existed in the 90s, and people had computers that could run it, they would make the same choice.

Your and id's lack of imagination really concerns me. At least d2 engaged the player a bit. But as i see that most are responding this way i shall give up.

Lack of imagination... Man... There were so many unique, and unexpected things in D3 single player that made the game very scary, and exciting. Making a game like that takes a huge amount of creative thought, and almost all single player games now a days require wayyy more of that kind of story writing skill than they did back in Doom 2's time. If id released D4, and all you did was run through level after level shooting zombies, and demons, without out any horror, and without a story that constantly progresses, then the game simply would not be on par with today's single player games, and there would be a ton of disappointment.

If id released D4, and all you did was run through level after level shooting zombies, and demons, without out any horror, and without a story that constantly progresses, then the game simply would not be on par with today's single player games, and there would be a ton of disappointment.

"Story in a game is like a story in a porn movie. It's expected to be there, but it's not that important. " -John Carmack

Unlike Doom 3, people still play Doom 2.

He was probably referring to mp when he said that, because I'm sure John Carmack knows that today a single player game needs a story that the game can progress with in order to be popular.

And who the hell still plays Doom 2?

I Fricken still play Doom 2 !!

I played it today ! lol

Just because one is older does not make it "a step down" or "worse". Each has a very different style from the other and it's important not to just dismiss something without realizing the differences.

I love D3, but what it offers in atmoshere, scariness, and story, it lacks in the freedom D2 had. You could entirely explore a map, ignore whole sections if you wanted and ward off a variety of monsters by the hordes. Games like D3 and HL are great, but there are some times when I don't want to be "lead around" by a story.

Yet at the same time, I often find games like D2 mindless, and when I'm not in the mood to play those, I'll go and play D3 or HL. but it's important to realize that each style is different and not to just stick with one because it's "newer"

I realize elder scrolls is a great example. you can fully enjoy those games by both following the main story, or by going off on your own with freedom to explore.

And who the hell still plays Doom 2?

http://www.zdaemon.org/
http://skulltag.com/

Exponentially more players than any game you're playing right now.

Once again, the discussion is not about multiplayer. The atmosphere created by D2 and D3 are completely different and both very good. D3 is just in the style of the times, and D2 was in the style of its time. Releasing something like D2 now with its approach to gameplay would probably be frowned upon (PK-like SP).

co-op is a common gametype in D2, but nice try.

Painkiller single player was really well received and sold pretty well actually as did Serious Sam and its sequel. While many seem to compare them to Doom esque games they aren't really much a like at all since the mechanic they employ is the simple "Kill everything in the area so the next area becomes open, then repeat" as opposed to the Doom style which is far more open-ended and has way more variety.

In fact I can't really recall any true Doom style FPS's far past Doom2, Quake and DN3D must have been the last ones as after that every game was like Quake2/Jedi Knight untill Half-Life.

So given that PK/SS sold pretty well and were received well by the majority of the pc gaming press/player base, I'm sure a Doom2 style SP game would sell well.

The problem with Doom3 is, it copied the story telling technique of HL(and its branch of fps's) to an extent but wasn't even in the slightest bit scary (which was the point), it never got into your head and played tricks with you, it just spawned in demons and zombies behind you constantly (Yeah great game mechanic that) to try and make you jump, failing because you knew it was coming.

Also, I still play Doom2 SP from time to time (And I know plenty of others who do as well) and Doom2 co-op is one of the greatest things ever.

"There were so many unique, and unexpected things in D3 single player that made the game very scary, and exciting."

I can tell you were about 12 when you played doom3 otherwise how the hell would you think that the game was scary and INOVATIVE? The only scary thing in doom3 was the lack of imagination in pretty much everything from mosnters to the plot. "oooh look there's a medkit... Im gonna pick it up but I'll turn around to kill the imp that's gonna spawn behind my back" ooooo scarry..

Because you actually play through a story through the entire game, and there is a meaning to everything you do in it. It would take a much shorter time for a company now a days to create a game like Doom 2. All they would have to do is create like 30 random maps, throw some zombies, and demons in, some keys for opening doors, and some some stats at the end of every level that tell you how many enemies you killed, out of how many that were in the level, and how many secrets you found out of how many that could of been found.

Building a game on today's technology takes a lot more effort when it comes to creativity. Game designers do so many different things to help the player feel immersed in the game. You think every cut seen in Doom 3 didn't take any imagination for instance, or every PDA recording, or all the levels in general.

Once again though, i'm not some Doom 2 hater, it's just that saying Doom 3 didn't take any creativity or imagination, is beyond ridiculous.

Allrite, please share what was so innovative and different about D3. I'm all eyes.

I never said D3 was innovative.. That's an entirely different conversation. My point is that D3 is a cleverly written game, and that is one reason I found the single player fun.

"There were so many unique, and unexpected things in D3 single player that made the game very scary, and exciting."

and those are?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ArA39oGJUOk

ooh I get it. it's walking in the dark and not seeing shit. revolutionary.

There is nothing wrong with using shadows, and dark rooms to make a game scary. Most horror games do it. Doom 3 does it a lot, but it pulls it off very well.

Btw I do not consider Doom 3 a very revolutionary game, but that doesn't mean it's not a good game.

there's something about seeing one dull dark corridor after another for 3 hours that makes this "suspense" kinda lose it's edge. but I guess it works for you cellar types.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_shock <-1994
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Shock_2 <-1999
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doom_3 <-2004

You're a fucking moron by the way. It takes about a trillion times the imagination and effort to create a good Doom2 style shooter than it does to rip-off System Shock and Half-Life (Poorly at that).

Doom2 maps are far harder to design than Doom3 corridors are I'm afraid. If making a Doom2 style game was so easy I doubt Serious Sam and Painkiller would have bothered making lots of square rooms that required everything to be killed in the current room before you could progress.

Feel free to prove me wrong and make a map as good as any in Doom2 though.

Edit: Can't reply so I'll edit it in here.
If by traditional doom concept you mean "Hell taking over Mars" I guess you're right. I like to think making the doom "concept" more modern would involve slightly more than that.

Apart from the obvious story link, Doom3 doesn't have much in common with it's prequels, whereas it's obviously taken a lot of ideas from HL/SS (UU -> SS, Q2 -> HL, SS/HL -> D3).

There isn't anything inherently wrong with that of course, except when you try and claim Doom3 had so many unique and unexpected things and then describe them as "Because you actually play through a story through the entire game, and there is a meaning to everything you do in it.".

We were doing that back in at least 1994 for fucks sake (I'm ignoring the fact that you kinda did do that in the original Doom as I get the point you're trying to make). The story/plot/pda's/cutscenes pretty much write themselves once you've decided on "Science experiment on Mars outpost goes wrong, gateway to Hell opened" and there are literally loads of games out there involving similar plots that all you need to do is play through them and re-write stuff a bit.

About the maps, grapically they are but they aren't in terms of the way they play out. I've seen tons of games with level design just as good as Doom3 but I've yet to play a FPS with level design as good as Doom2. There is far more imagination going on in Doom2 maps than in Doom3 which is pretty much just going through the modern fps paces (I didn't say they require more effort)

Doom came out before System Shock and Half-Life, and all Doom 3 does is take the traditional Doom concept and present it in a modern way. So since the Doom series is older than the system shock series, explain to me how Doom 3 is a rip off of either of them.

There is no way it takes more creativity, or effort to build a Doom 2 map either. Doom 3 levels are way more complex.

You even had fucking martian buddy websites up just for Doom 3 gameplay experience and fun :). I'd say they have commitment and ideas and as many said, the sp was enjoyable at least twice as enjoyable as Half-Life 2 in my case.

Same goes for Quake 4, the sp part was enjoyable more as any competitive game out at that time.

They however forgot about what makes multiplayer fun.

Doom 1 & 2 were great games at the time they were released and some years after. Nowdays, I rather download a popcap game and play it as suffer the limitations of the vitage games. That doesn't mean I don't approve their success and brilliance.

"at least twice as enjoyable as Half-Life 2 in my case. "

I'm sorry to inform you sir, but your case is hopeless.

HL2 was most boring shit game ever, I tried to play it through 3 times, but end up being so bored after a hour that I just forget about teh game and play simgolf instead.

Half-Life 2 has to be one of the most boring games I've ever played through.

That said I DID finish it.

but you liked doom3?

Not really, it was ok.

how about stalker?

I Didn't play Stalker. I stopped playing new SP FPS games a few years back (I still try some of them of course) as they all seem to be the same stuff as five years ago and I just can't be bothered :P

Last great FPS to come out for me was NOLF2.

NOLF2 .... k

Er, I'd most definitely play Doom 2. I've played that game for many many hours. I got bored with Doom 3 within about 5 minutes. Now that's probably because they're completely different games and I happen to prefer the action genre over the interactive movie genre, but to say that D3 is objectively better than D2 is insane.

I remember not having finished D2 cause it bored me ; but I finished D3
go figure
D1 was cool and fresh though

Yup one of the most polished sp games up to that time tbh, was great!

Doom 3 was a great experience, even if it wasn't a great game. Monster closets, lack of variety and too few enemies on-screen hurt it quite a bit. Compared to it's contemperaries it was still among the better FPS games though. I'd gladly pay for another experience that is as good as D3 was compared to the other games out at release.

Doom3 is definately a good SP game. I dont know what you want to say more ?

Some of us old-school players are serial killers. All we really want is a legal way to murder, maim and massacre. The old Doom's provided these things in abundance, but somewhere along the FPS line, Death-Match became story-time.

well 3 milion pounds is still shit load of money so.. ^^

Amazing how id guys can be so deconnected from multiplayer's reality.

This doesn't talk about mp :0

They seem pretty well connected to me, make games for 360 and ps3 at 60 hz.

Wait... I thought Carmac had copyright on the phrase "fascinating individual"?

why do all 3d nerds have to have the ridiculous facial hair and stereotypical greasy tied back hair.. the pony tail used to be a trade mark for pervvy spanish guys, STOP STEALING IT! :o)

Carmack is the ultimate "3d nerd", and he doesn't follow that stereotype. ToddH on the other hand is non-technical, and largely deals with business issues.

Good try tho ;)

not anymore!

Well the best programmers John C and Tim Sweeney, both fit the ultimate nerd image from the NES Zelda commercial.

NES Commercial

reminds me of the atari crew:
Atari Crew

Because when I think of games like Doom 3 and Quake 4, I think "super-elite development outfit." :|

i want anal justice to interview someone... Just to see if i can read it to the end of interview without a single lol

i've done tens of those over the years, including video interviews as well.
not in english though so you will certainly miss the lulz :)

todd is a cunt

Face it there hasnt been e GREAT game in ages only decent ones

troo d3 sp was decent, q4 is decent, qw decent allso ... i hope 1 of their next project will be GREAT! ... cuz boy o boy we need 1.

... i allso hope they learn from their previus mistakes ... like q4 sounds are awfull! ... just few days back i played some q3 again ...ow harmony to my ears compared to q4 : >

Q4 is GREAT since 1.3 and 1.4 ;)

and it is great... playwise ... but sounds still sucks ass ... for example when i respawn its like my speakers are gona burst... and then i play on and its back to room volume... i just grind my teeth its so anoying ... is it xgo sounds is it standart i dunno but i has to be fucking fixed goddamnit.

quake 3 sounds are provided in tape quality. try playing quake 4 for an hour or so and then fire up quake 3 a few moments later. it really hurts, although i have to agree they do sound better. q4's rocket explosions are simply dull. same goes for the plasma, machinegun, grenade launcher... bah, you are right :)

doom 3 sp is awesome!

"doom 3 sp is awesome!"
tell me about it:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=FnpmsiIalGY

good job, i've never seen crappier video and youtube.

well it just reveales the scary doom3 atmosphere :))
thank you

I'm really trying hard to think of anything awesome about doom3 here .. Ok it just came to me. Flybabies! FLYBABIES FUKIN RULE!

Did you just call Quakeworld merely DECENT ?!?!?!?!?

nope i meant quake wars ... but ye quakeworld hands down greatest ...it was the motherload ^^ lets say the granny of quake3 ^^

crysis was great just like the cost to play it xD

Portal, CoD4, TF2, Company of heroes, need I go on?

those are all only decent....except for portal...

except for cod4 (sp that is)

portal is the only 'good' game to come out in the past few years for sure. and its way too short

if you feel compelled to name more ''decent'' games go ahead

so, they've made a really impressive looking graphics engine and are trying to get a game made for it.

that sounds awes... wait no, no it doesn't.

no they also make the game with it. It's just that a lot of profit is made by letting other companies use this engine to make their own game.
It's just confusing to most people that ID software does not have 1 source of income, but multiple. From endusers of the game being one income and the lead developer of AAA titles (and A etc.) being an other, and with ql also advertisement stuff and prolly some other ways (training other companies to work with the engine etc).

no see, this basically is what they did with id tech 4, sure it looked great but it wasn't successful in anything but selling a lot of copies of some shitty games.

as for making money from licensing their engine out to other companies, tech 4 had a grand total of 6 games/expansions made on it thus far including doom 3 and it's expansion, both of which were made by id software. compare this to tech 3 which had 20 games/expansions that were released.

ehh that's a different issue from the post I replied on ?
I agree in tech4 not being warmed too enthousiastic by the developers ;) while the q1, q2 and q3 engines were so far ahaid of their time that it would be stupid (for most developers) to try and build a different engine for an important title ;)
I do think that tech5 (with cool tools) might be a bigger succes though.

hope rage is a success and loads of games use the engine....


THEN quake 5 will come out to a global frenzy and everyone and there dog will be clamouring for a shot!

then the esports will be what it should be rather than a few idiots idling in irc saying 'it's not like it used to be :((( '


come id i am rooting for you xDDDDD

Why do I have a feeling that this new engine is just going to be another nightmare for us, like the DOOM3 Engine was.

=\

No offense to ID, they're going for the biggest market, but it would be nice if they thought of us a bit, and maybe include small things that will make everyone happy (netcode, 125fps, etc)

Rage's aim is not the mp part afaik, so just wait for quake5 and if they mess it up (multiplayer wise) - then you can still flame them :P

Quake 5 is supposed to be on the id tech5 engine.

you're right but when rage sucks multiplayerwise it does not mean that all games on that engine will suck.

see, doom3 is more sloppy etc. than quake4.. but thats another topic :P

erm, q4 suffered hard from the limitations of the d3 engine...

and i wish you will suffer hard for your non-existant reading skills :P

Well, isn't Rage going to be on the same engine as Quake 5?

What's the deal with 125 fps anyhow? So you could strafe jump the maximum the engine allowed?

Well, some people still play on CRT's (like myself) and most competitive players want 125fps, so you can run the CRT at 120hz.

more FPS more smoothness

you don't notice anything about nearly approximately 90fps..

NO. FUCKS SAKE. STOP COMING UP WITH ARBITRARY NUMBERS TO DEFINE WHAT FPS YOU CAN SEE AT, EYES DON'T WORK THAT WAY FOR A START AND IT SEEMS TO VARY FROM PERSON TO PERSON

thats why i've said 'approximately' and i didn't said by any word that i am talking about the eyes..

If you stare at a 120hz monitor for a few hours per day, eventually, lower refresh rates will be noticeable to your eye as choppy. The ones that can't tell the difference between 30/60/90/120 are the ones who have been staring at 60hz monitors. These same people who make radical claims like "YOU CAN ONLY SEE 30/60/90FPS" are the same people who don't know the difference between rendering frames, and the refresh rate on your monitor.

I love laughing at a CS kiddie who says he can see the difference between 100fps and 101fps, when his monitor is running at 75hz. Either way, if your refresh rate can go high enough, and you regularly view it, any significantly lower refresh rate will be noticeable.

tbh I can see that difference as well....
If you continuesly watch the same part of the level while barely moving, you get this refresh line across your screen (or well you start noticing it) and with 101 FPS it moves down slightly faster than with 100.....

That's not a difference in framerate, it's a variance between the number of frames being rendered and the refresh rate being lower. If you were to set the refresh rate to 100hz and render at 100fps, then refresh at 101hz and render at 101fps, a person who was not being told which was which would not be able to see the difference.

I was trying to be sarcastic about how cs players camp and thus can notice silly stuff like the refreshrate of the screen and the framerate being out of sync....

sarcasm doesn't work online :(:(

Funny thing is even if you can't notice much if any the flicker at 85hz, you can still see the difference between 85hz and 120hz on contrast since your eyes notices the extended time with black time between frames (pixels fade between electron cannon passes).

One thing that seriously annoys me though is the kind of people you described who claim it is impossible for others to notice the difference between hz on monitors mice etc, just because they can't.

The only difference for me is that it makes my eyes more tired switching down to 60fps or so. Otherwise, meh, honestly can't tell a big enough difference to whine about it.

You can't tell the difference between 60hz and 120hz on a CRT monitor? 60hz flickers a lot IMO.

Well, I haven't tried an AB test in-game in a while, so maybe i've gotten more leet at distinguishing. XD I still use 120hz though.

i don't want to be picky about your ortography but i think "offense" is spelled offence, or?

british english: offence
american english: offense

Or: both are acceptable in Canadian English but offence is more common.

"british english: offence
american english: offense"

British English is uummm, English English and it's offence to spell it another way, if not an offence then it bloody well should be. You want your own language, fine but make one up instead of fucking other peoples up. Now you could say it is infact ment to be offense, but as in "England" where we speak "English" you really have to accept that the English spelling is indeed offence.

stop raging you dumb chav

When was the last time you spoke to a chav about the english language...? innit prick!

When was the last time a chav got sarcasm?

Ah you got it, nice : )

Great display of "English English".. mate!

orthography

i saw that one coming :P

I think we had some really nice bundles that resonated with people in terms of offering a pretty good value

would an artist sell a painting, then think "I'm offering good value"?

Great stuff.

While Hollenshead and Co. trying to convince us how great RAGE will be, S.T.A.L.K.E.R:Clear Sky team did a lot of improvements to X-ray engine:

http://www.stalker-game.com/en/?page=video

If only it where DX9, too bad they are only putting nextgen stuff in Vista that you also can do with DX9, Vista being the the WinME of the 21st century ofc. That said Stalker was one of the last games i tried and really felt it was "different" and atmospheric.

Stalker had a lot of good ideas, but was hurt by the boring combat which felt almost like a throwback to realistic games from late last millenium. With better combat it could have been a great title instead of an above average game with quite a few good ideas.

game has pb with AI and was kinda unfinished

Really? I found it totally dissapointing. I liked Doom 3 way more than Stalker, and I didn't love Doom 3 at all.

Im just talking of the "atmoshpere" factor. Didnt player it for more than a couple hours.

give me a good fps competition and tournaments.

Whats next? You asking for futuristic race games in a quakelive thread? geez...

quake3 is dead and now qlive _maybe_ will replace. so...

q3 dead? Lol 1400 spectators and 2 dozen of master players said otherwise less than a week ago so...

and 3 tournaments around the world... (y)

stop looking forward to new games at all.. nothing will ever be on par with the games you loved in the past.. the great fun you had when playing doom1 and 2, and the fun we still have with a very aging game, quake 3.. ass Todd says, the gaming is technology based, and will continue to be driven by that..


but wait a second.. it's the same when we hear ppl say, that they want to live there childhood again.. there was a time when all of us got introduced to video gaming.. I would say, that I want to forget all i know about gaming, just too feel the anticipation for a game again.. now, I'm comparing to previous games, that was great games, and I'm never gonna get the same feeling, of a game being great again, in that sense, since I know the great games from the past, the games that got me high on video gaming, if I can say that..

mmh.. I don't know if i'm getting through clearly..

People who grew up with ping pong would say that their game is by far the best game ever.
People who grew up with quake would say that their game is by far the best game ever.
People who grew up with CS would say that their game is by far the best game ever, and so on.

There are many games out there, some of them are buggy as shit and some just doesn't fit your likings.

There are many stones in the river and sometimes there's a diamond in between.
You've just to open your mind for something new, something different.

your first three lines is somehow what I tried to say :)
but yeah..

keep your eyes open: http://www.jimhillmedia.com/mb/images/upload/Ward-2-web.jpg

that's the main problem of all.
open mind, not fixing on the past is the core things to help evolute not only games but the life itself.
People like to be in their comfort zones, not letting themself to explore new ones;
to see new things through past is ridiculous.

Basking in the limelight of failed game, how many years after its been dumped? this is pretty low stuff. No wonder id software is going down with idiots like this at the company, totally disconnected from modern gaming.

IF they can get PC vs 360 capabilities....oh shit thatll be fucken FUN!

This hollenshead is just a PR guy, isnt he?

He's the CEO, and one of the co-owners (+ JC, Cloud and Willits).

So yea, amongst all the business stuff he no doubt does, publicity and interviews would probably be part of his job, but describing him as "just a PR guy" is probably a bit harsh ;)

alltho i think rage is gona be quite interesting game ... i gues cuz part of me is wondering how is id gona make a driving game feel like :> i mean u cant exactly strafe :PP

all we need now: rage on Todd Hollenshead

gameplay wise blizzard always was and is at its peak.
other companies does not bother to polish gameplays