no i still rail people into hell and it works

he no lie
http://www.wipido.com/video/2159

if you play aaron sure

aw diddums, now get over it

Someones fisting is important too.

make use of xerp

SHOT THEM WITH THE ROCKETING GUN !!!

you can still hit rails and cause serious damage but it is undeniable since cpma vq3 it is more about shaft accuracy, last night I played a guy who had 54.3 percent shaft on me, and surprisingly the match was actually close, and yeah at times it feels annoying. In mid/close range battles shaft is invincible these days. The most annoying thing is say you have armor advantage and you also know the approach path of enemy, in osp it used to be a clear battle which u engage and emerge winning, in cpma vq3 the outcome is unpredictable, the other guy can do some insane accuracy shafting as he enters and the crippling effect can make you lose it. I am not saying in osp this never happened since that would be a lie, good shafting was a way to take back control in there too but in cpma/vq3 these occurrences are way more frequent and does not take great skill or anything to do them.

I have seen people (mostly from RA3 background) with lower fov and lower sensitivity achieve some insane accuracies in cpma/vq3. But having said all this it is still true the better player wins, but there is no end of shaft surprises in a match :)

Deny the lg :P

Remove lg cripple effect.

enlighten me please

basically, play cq3




or ql

Cq3? Cq3 is even more railheavy then vq3, it does 99 damage within shaft range(If I'm correct about shaft range), but now there's no way to counter it with shaft, and depending on the map, really hard to counter with rockets,
while rail remains a point and click easy to use weapon:\

Play more q3dm13 \o/

pro-nodm9.

pro-nodm9 is just a more aim based version of q3dm13.

The wider doors and corridors makes moving about the map far easier as any grenades/rockets can be dodged far easier, minimising any splash damage taken. The removal of total health/armour on the map makes the it too biased towards the player with the greater shaft aim/usage. The GL/SG switch is also just pointless and annoying.

This leads to pro-nodm9 being, as czm said, slower, more aim based and removes from the strategic and tactical play on the map.

I was pretty vocal about this at the time (cpl 06), but any Lost World is better than no Lost World!

*RG damage scaling from 99 point-blank down to 80 linearly at 768 units distance (LG range) and beyond*

means that inside the lg range, depending on distance you can do
99(lower distance) 98 97 96 95 94 etc etc
out of lg range (far distance) you will always do 80 dmg

weapon balance in cq3 is a lot better then vq3
just play it a bit more ;)

lg DPS is 150 vs 160 (vq3) but knockback is increased (150%) so still powerful
and rgwhoring is not more not less the same as in vq3

I know what it is, and I've known it works like that since it worked like that, otherwise I wouldn't have said 'withint lg range', if I wouldnt have known I'd have just said it does 99 damage.

how many times usually it happens to shoot a point-blank rg shot ?
considering my playing style with rg i always end up doing 85-80 dmg

so i just pointed out that saying:

"it does 99 damage within shaft range"

is not correct ;)

... don't be picky, nobody likes that.

what you said was misleading as hell.

it 'can' do 99 damage within shaft range, satisfied?

well that doesn't really explain anything at all

some ESR users do make me feel like i'm talking to wannabee wealthy kings :<

basically, I would really love to nuke you

why? he said remove lightning cripple, i said play cq3 or ql which has cripple removed, and which are games not dominated by shaft whoring.

More likely, he just wanted to know what the fuss was about, rendering your post completely useless.

The problem is not the shaft, its people arguing about a change rather than accepting it. It takes 3 days of occasional playing to find out all do's and don't do's.
As for the gameplay itself, I don't see a major difference. Get the eswc masters demos to see how to handle / avoid certain shaft situations and there you go.

easier said than done :)

haha, after reading this I was liek "ROFL HE PLAYED ME AND RAGED" :DDD You pretty much described my "style" in vq3. It's lame and I blow in this game tbh but for some reason I have shaft relatively good compared to the rest, lol. Got to do with my pulsegun-whore past in UT99 for sho haha

clearly not, you ut players suck

ut vs q3 wars are soooo 90's

90s > *

watch forZe Mikes demos from 2002-2004. i was amazed, his primary weapon is rocket and rail, and hes good at it (he ignored lg even when he had it and didnt bother to always run and take it). good watch of how those weapons can be used productively.

yea, in a time when the average lg acc was 25 instead of 40

It's still a good example of how to use those weapons

back in osp when tdm wasn't broken :')

That's such BS, VQ3 TDM's always been turning into more and more of an MG cesspit. It was obvious what direction it was going in back in 2001 hence the US TDM comp that used 3 damage MG.

Quakelive FIXES shaft. Theres no cripple effect, and its less damage, but it feels EASIER to lightning gun people, lg % is usually 35+ but the people getting shafted can actually fight back so its dangerous to enter a shaft battle versus someone with good health and rockets/shotgun or can dodge well.

QUAKELIVE FOR THE WIN!!!!!!!!!!1

-also fixed rail - 80 damage, (need to fix a bit of lag on it though soon)

-also fixed movement - osp movement, floaty feeling back but 'lagless' cpma strafing, less speed on circling though, but feels great.

- rockets feel amazing.

- shotgun is fixed

-mg still powerful, but i think they dropped the damage down

they just gotta put all the good console commands back in and/or put them all in the GUI, then we're in business.

oh im smelling hope here

tell us more about ql from time to time .)

Go Q4 :)

lol ... like it will ever happen

I am sorry to bring it to u, but its one of the games that died very young, had very few friends, many failures and a miserable life :(

On the other hand Q1, Q2, Q3, UT, wsw are still being played today. Even doom2 …

aww, don't shatter his dreams

ye and q4 is totally dead, you've got it..

yes, shaft, rail and timing. gg.

imho the problem is not the players themselves, it's the maps. Good duellers know EVERYTHING about the maps e. g. on ztn. So basically Quake just needs some new, tight duel-maps - that would solve the problem in my book.