CPMA is a mod for Q3. It has both VQ3 (original Quake 3) physics and CPM (enhanced with new maneuvers) physics. If you're playing on LAN against bots, you default to CPM.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=343019714680307722

This will give you an idea what is possible in CPM.

ok ty
but what changes in cpma mode 1v1 and cpma mode vq3? only the time limit?

Time limit and default weapon respawn times (5s in VQ3DM, 15s in 1v1).

time limit has nothing to do with anything. all you need to know is that in the beginning, some people were simply shit in Q3, so they started playing cpm. CPM is basically a cult, lead by their infamous leader arQon. don't get sucked in, stay away.

Haha yeah, you're so damn perspicacious on this one ;-).

Are you trying to say that CPMA is a joke compared to vQ3? I find that hard to believe.

why

because

I WANNA

...I WANNA... I WANNA... I WANNA... REALLY REALLY REALLY WANNA ZIGAZIG AAAAH.


spice bump

He's saying CPM is, he's just trolling 'cause I'm fairly certain he's not an idiot and understands that some people don't like the slow pace of VQ3 and enjoy a faster version.

For clarification: CPM is a gameplay, CPMA is a mod.

y so serious, srsly!

vq3 players are whining bitches
cpm players rage 24/7

1v1 is a mode, VQ3 is a gametype. CPM and VQ3 are gametypes.

It has both VQ3 (original Quake 3) physics and CPM (enhanced with new maneuvers) physics.

As if.

Still crying about it? Get to work already so I can make fun of you when you fail.

1v1 CPMA VQ3? Go go go!

The best part is that you want CPMA.

Wrong and misleading, why do you say CPMA "has original q3 physics", it has not.
There is NO WAY in CPMA to play vq3 physics now.
VQ3 physics in CPMA are totally different and make alot of jumps impossible on all maps.
So, please don't mislead people into thinking it's all good without flaws.

OSP ftw

ESR bug again, eh? You were trying to post here right?

were you trying to post on www.igotmytongueinarqonsass.promode.org ?

When did I defend arQon? arqon may have his flaws, but at least he's not as slow as you are.

Your style is much popular on youtube, I suggest you go and try it. You're a spamming troll.
We're trying to have a discussion here, not especially in need of your humor.

That wasn't a joke.

CPMA has vq3 physics, 85 fps.

Nope, this is 0% accurate hunch of yours. But let's say it's somewhat alike.

Hmm? What are you on about?

CPMA(vq3) has fps independent physics, but physics behave like they do at baseq3 85 fps, except with increased jumpheight To make it closer to osp's jumpheight.

(cpma vq3 jumpheight 47 units)
(OSP jumpheight, 48 units @ 125 fps)

Q3 physics @85 fps are velocity snapped, cpma has fps "independent" physics so they're not snapped. If anything they're closer to 1 fps Q3 physics.
More clarifications needed?

More clarifications needed?

My little cat scratched me the other day, sweet little kitten most of the time but, the area around the wound is dark red, should I go see a doctor?

Thank you random fanboy for quoting arQon. Problem is when he said what you repeated, he wasn't wrong (it was an approximate description of the changes he made) but You were wrong for repeating it.
Now, if you don't intend to elaborate on or discuss anything, get lost yeah.

Thank you random fanboy for quoting arQon. Problem is when he said what you repeated, he wasn't wrong (it was an approximate description of the changes he made) but You were wrong for repeating it.
Now, if you don't intend to elaborate on or discuss anything, get lost yeah.

Now you've gone to far, you've gone from discussing your point to calling names.

I'm nobody's fanboy, nor did I mean to quote anyone, I just explained wat I know but you can't deal with that in an adult manner.

Stop telling people to get lost it doesnt make you any more right and it doesnt show your 'superiority' in anyway, it's just plain disrespectful.

They're in the denial phase. They know QL is a failure, and none of them are competent or worthy enough to make a mod, so they fear for the (few) players remaining.

Oh, I'm so maturely sorry. I often misuse english idioms.

By shifting the topic again from kitten to anonymous politeness issues you've shown once more that you don't intend to discuss anything here. Can you say you do?

Quote-mining arQon, how lame is that, honestly. The only reason that I replied to you in the first place was that quote, I was sure you didn't understand, I was right.

FYI, anyone who denies any issue that CPMA has, is an arQon fanboy. Now you know why you will be called so.

Oh, I'm so maturely sorry. I often misuse english idioms.

By shifting the topic again from kitten to anonymous politeness issues you've shown once more that you don't intend to discuss anything here. Can you say you do?

Quote-mining arQon, how lame is that, honestly. The only reason that I replied to you in the first place was that quote, I was sure you didn't understand, I was right.

FYI, anyone who denies any issue that CPMA has, is an arQon fanboy. Now you know why you will be called so.

You asked if I needed something else clarified, I responded, believe it or not, my kitten really did scratch me.
And yes I can say I do.

Quote-mining arQon? You really think I only said that because arQon said that? You're completely wrong on that part...
I could say I do know what I'm talking about but you'd say I don't etc etc... in the end, I don't have to proof anything to anyone.
In fact, I don't even care wether you think I know what I'm talking about or not.

FYI What issues am I denying?
I still don't know why I will be called so.

It's pretty funny, you keep saying there's some sort of 100% proof that I'm something, when there's no proof at all.

EDIT: ignore'd.

You're not helping...

I've definitely classified you as a chat-bot now. Resorting to whatever primary directive to invoke when cornered into "having to speak on the very topic at hand".

The issue is the movement physics, which are equivalent to nothing but q3, at whatever FPS.
Got that? Elaborate ON THAT, if you can.

Good call on the ignore.

FYI, anyone who denies any issue that CPMA has, is an arQon fanboy. Now you know why you will be called so.

You are hilarious. You flame people for not having proper arguments but then you say "if you disagree with me you are a fanboy". Awesome.

Prove that there is an issue with CPMA. It is not our burden to provide proof for CPMA being correct, it is your burden to prove CPMA physics as 'bad'.

Of course, and mine is no heavy burden.

CPMA's "VQ3" is bad because the physics is downgraded, slow and low.
The usual jumps are harder, you get less speed, your RJs are much lower. The harder jumps are impossible. And some maps aren't even played anymore partly for those reasons (at least they won't be played anymore again).

That's just what I keep repeating.
Am I still hilarious for not being constructive? I have all the arguments one can dream of. I also have a 12 year experience with quake games, 9 with q3.

I'm now listening to your arguments, thank you.

EDIT: you are probably surprised that I've caught you in the act of not reading what I was talking when you read "VQ3". This thread is not exactly the place to have this discussion.

The usual jumps are harder,

Makes the skill gap even bigger.

you get less speed,

VQ3 isn't about speed

your RJs are much lower.

See above.

The harder jumps are impossible.

This is the fault of the map, not the fault of the engine. In reality, any SANE person would want moderately changed maps that allow for extremely hard jumps that are viable in an ACCURATE engine.

And some maps aren't even played anymore partly for those reasons (at least they won't be played anymore again).

Non-issue.

I have all the arguments one can dream of. I also have a 12 year experience with quake games, 9 with q3.

You don't need 12 years of experience, you need common sense. You have nothing. You're nobody.

CPMA's "VQ3" is bad because the physics is downgraded, slow and low.

No, the physics operate as they always should have, the fps dependent physics were a bug abused by everyone using 125 fps.

If it's as it was supposed to be, why jumps in CPMA are 3 units higher that the unsnapped physics? Why was jump take off arbitrarily adjusted to 275 instead of 270?
I'll tell you why, because arQon thought this was enough. Explainable given his meager knowledge of what does what.

I would have almost nothing to say if the physics was just plain unsnapped q3 i.e how it was supposed to be and actually is at low fps. But people would not. The above adjustment was a trick played on people to make them think at first glance that it's well the same thing as the original, but it's not.

And about the "ACCURATE" assessment by the troll, it's a joke. You neven have twice the same jump or RJ in CPMA. Genuine q3 is consistent and predictable, CPMA is random.

That is retarded. The only explanation would be a freak bug.

Prove it.

Interesting, are you acknowledging something here or?

You want what, a list of figures, a log of a jump? I can give you that, no problem.
Which part of my claims are you troubled with exactly?

I think I'll make up a requirement though, I need you all fanboys to make a bet that i'm bullshitting you, ok? Give me a figure.
Answer my question still, I can give some things for free too.

If you prove to arQon that his software is bugged. I'm sure he will listen. You haven't proved anything, you just talk bullshit because you'd prefer to play with the 125fps bug.

I don't need your or arQon's agreement to play the game how I like it. Mind you I happen to know q3 in and out, I don't need either of you to believe anything.
The facts are there and I can provide exactly all the information in analytical and numerical form. But it comes with a price, and I don't care if there's no deal!
Actually I'm already proving something now, if you think about it.

I'm looking for bugs out of sheer *curiousity*, can you understand this? I side with facts, not people.

I don't care how you play the game, you are arguing that we shouldn't use cpma physics, when they are clearly superior (not buggy) for competition.

You are spreading FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) because you dislike arQon. You lack proof, and talk bullshit.

Then, you use the argument, "I don't need you to tell me how to play the game". We aren't, nobody is. Feel free to go play OSP while everyone else enjoys the benefits of cpma.

ix doesn't seem to think I'm talking bullshit, but yeah he as a member of the cpma design crew has no clue.
I don't need to talk to you, you need to learn to read and follow the discussion, not participate.
I think the problem of CPMA is that it has too many barking lamers like you.
Don't complain that I'm impolite, I'm merely fair.

you keep saying that there are issues with cpma, but when it came to give us proof, all you can say, is that it's slow...

You/We wont be able to understand a log of a jump.

Believe me, Gazouille is a way better coder than any member of the cpma crew, so when he says something, you can believe that he has a proof of this.

Gaz writes Mickey Mouse engines for Disney, he's not a high grade coder.

I'm interested in learning more on this topic.

What difference does snapped and unsnapped physics make? Is snapped = dependent?

Also, with regards to the jump hight. Does 5 units really make a world of difference? I suppose the higher jump makes you slower cause you have more travel time in the air before you hit the ground for speed?

From what I understand of a competitive use of the mod, CPMA, is that it makes the playing field more level over OSP by setting a standard. What would prevent a player from playing with fps 85 and another playing 125 fps in a tournie. Wouldn't this cause whine similar to that of the Xerp whine and cg_nudge whine?

"Oh, I'm so maturely sorry. I often misuse english idioms."


ALMOSTLY!!!!!! :DDDDDD

Funny quotes for you :*)

[08/07/25 23:12:12] <@XunderBIRD> the village people are straight compared to cpma vq3 physics
[08/07/25 23:12:15] <@XunderBIRD> or cpma physics in general
[08/07/25 23:12:34] <@XunderBIRD> i figured that while trying it
[08/07/25 23:13:05] <@XunderBIRD> but arqon won't listen :).
[08/07/25 23:13:23] <@XunderBIRD> the problem we have, Houston, is that we don't have enough nukes to obliterate them all

PS. XundreBIRD as you may know, has the majority of world records in vq3 speedcapture ctf (on the maps most played too yes).

Good point at the end there, someone who has basically spent hours upon hours doing the exact same thing over and over again 'til he did it a few ms faster is certainly the person we should be listening to about gameplay physics (not that speedcaps have anything at all to do with Q3 or anything)

www.speedcapture.com for your pleasure :)

PS. my (few) times are those marked Camping_Gaz_14K btw

You have lifetime [+] man

xunderbird: i recommend to watch the q3ctf2 and q3tourney6 _ctf demos. :) Those are quite fancy. A lifetime [+] indeed, although it won't earn you a dime.

If by funny, you intend it to mean sad, like a WoW addict.

Why sad? FYI he's naturally talented, he doesn't spend as much time on the game as you, most probably.

I don't even have Q3 installed. I uninstalled after QL, and then uninstalled QL.

Why are you killing all debate in a desperate attempt to save CPMA from dishonor then!?

Nice try, troll. Come up with some structured arguments to debate.

Like the one in #32?

Try reading everything next time.

Don't feed the troll, even with the right punches, he'll die off by himself.

the fact that you had to describe who the fuck that xunderbird is only shows how much we should care about his point of view. kthxbye

Oh sorry, maybe you could cite any other speed runner by yourself beforehand, no? Well, now you know better.

he did it for ignorant morons like you to prevent "who the fuck is he" posts. yet it once again turned out that you just can't win against morons.

way2miss the point

CPM is the gameplay, cpma is the mod.

ahx is the god

Don't bother about OSP since it is outdated and simply sucks :) It used to be good before CPMA has been released. But these days OSP is not played anymore imho..

hmm..

Some guys simply dont get the point.
cpm maps were build with included trick jumps suggested by defrag players.
this trick jumps are IMPOSSIBLE to do due to modified physics in cpma (cpm and vq3 physic in the mod) which give smaller jump high's then in osp OR excessiveplus.
in osp and excessiveplus jumphigh is at least 47/48 (depends on pmove_fixed 0/1 + pmove_msec 8) so its possible to do the trickjumps.
if you want to test it urself, go to any random strafemap and try to finish it in cpma and after in defrag, u will totally be surprised.
since i know some people are to lazy for that, here a demo on cos1_beta7b and q3tourney1 (the telejump to the other side is possible in osp, but not in cpma) http://rapidshare.de/files/40101409/cpmaphysics.rar.html
another example would be the ra jump on cpm4, it is a lot harder in cpma while in osp u easily can do it (cpm physics though)

the only reason why osp is unplayable, is the netcode and the ping, ping influences the aiming to much as soon as ping goes over 50.
cpma netcode jerks a lot with xerpclients btw, i prefer unlagged in this1 (yea, there are mod's with all weapons and unlagged)

"cpm maps were build with included trick jumps suggested by defrag players."

No.

Maybe not but he's right to say that many tricks are now impossible, is he not?
Be constructive ix, don't give us punctuation...
Higher speeds are too hard to achieve and perfect strafing doesn't equal the original q3 and that's if you're perfect and nobody is.
This makes the easiest strafing pad lanes impossible, even CPM quicker start doesn't help you out.
Of course those lanes aren't real life maps but they demonstrate a real life problem with strafing in CPMA.
Vertical rocket jumps are even more problematic.

What is it that we're all getting wrong?

What would be your response to a group of 333 FPS physics players claiming that you 125 FPS physics players had made the game too slow and prevented their jumps and strafe pads from being possible?

You're not even trying... You know very well this has nothing to do with anything, 333 fps is forbidden for years now, 125 is the standard and will remain the standard. People set it this way since the very begining, that's many years back now. Even 23 27 30 55 or 76 fps are better than CPMA..
I won't even start pointing out the inconsistencies I keep finding in CPMA now that I'm looking into it, like the never-twice-the-same-jump syndrome, or the associated residual vertical speeds. Or maybe the asymmetries. All of those due to the *bugfix*.

Anyway, nobody gave the right to change the original game to anyone.

What is the inconsistency in CPMA physics?

Edit: please stick to ones that are feasibly relevant to human players.

Inconsistencies, I used the plural. I've barely started looking into it.
Let's take one first example, why is it so that you need to fire before jumping for best rocket jump? Why are RJs never the same height? Since this is due to almost the same problem as FPS dependent physics, why it's not fixed then? Load t4, try to RJ to the highest floor from ground (384 units with the 18 unit ramp), you need both the fire-jump "trick" and.. a bit of luck. Your best RJs randomly vary from 382 to 384. Just by the way, Quake 3 RJs are 404 and a RJ right up to the MH is possible, everytime, no luck involved.
If that's consistent with anything, I'll eat my hat.

There is a very important point I'd like to mention. By looking backwards thru all the versions of CPMA, pre and post 1.0, I noticed something very specific and symptomatic. There are changes to physics in many releases and NONE of these changes are mentioned in the changelog. Stupifying. It would be incredible to me even if the changes were minor but they weren't.
The changes involve, simple jumps, weapon jumps, RJs on jumppads and alike.
I'm talking about CPM physics here of course. CPMA can never be considered a standard, its changes are secret.
Yes these changes affect the human player and how he has to play. It doesn't matter whom they affect anyway, a change is a change, it makes some newer things possible and older impossible.
I think arQon assumes that such changes would not be understood by the populace and do not require specific testing.

Also, as a side note, OSP's promode is equal to no existing version of CPMA, it shares mixed features with older and newer ones. I think the mystery as to why will never be solved. Is it arQon who gave wrong code samples to rhea, or is rhea incompetent? Probably a little bit of both. As to the purpose of this promode...

EDITED typos, damned perfectionism

By United Kingdom ix
Edit: please stick to ones that are feasibly relevant to human players.

By Poland Gazouille
Your best RJs randomly vary from 382 to 384.

It's still completely relevant to human players, unless you play in the e-paralympics category.

"The changes involve, simple jumps, weapon jumps, RJs on jumppads and alike.
I'm talking about CPM physics here of course."

Details would be nice.

How are you attacking then jumping? I just tried it and if I shoot before jumping then I get knocked up by the rocket before a jump can happen.

OSP CPM was based on legacy CPM settings that never actually got set (the ground friction) way back before arQon made CPMA or was even involved. Defrag CPM also has this incorrect value. Any other differences I neither know about nor care.

I'm on vacation now, was unable to reply until now.
Just by the way, do you read all the text I write? Because I'd like you to, if possible. I don't consider one point less relevant than the other and I truly don't intend to repeat myself very often.

In CPMA, whatever gameplay, you'd need to *randomly* fire before jumping to achieve maximum height. This is the crude fact. I think only q1/qw has this "feature", it was explicitely addressed and fixed from q2 and on, to make RJs easier, yep.

You "tested" it and couldn't find a problem? Tell me, is this the way CPMA is "tested"? Manually? I shouldn't ask you but are your devs not *debugging* anything?

Well TBH it's not exactly that qrQon reverted this "easier RJ" fix, he wouldn't do this on purpose would he, he simply introduced a bug by changing rockets' behavior (I assume). He made RJing completely inconsistent, especially when g_sync is on, there it's totally fucked up. It's not easy to narrow it down from where I stand.

Hm wait, I think we have a link here. Remember when I said arQon doesn't write down changes like this one in the changelog? Well, here's your consequence.

Now listen, because I truly don't give a damn if you miss this one ^.^ : if you're satisfied with FPS dependent jumps traded for crippled AND random RJs, then there's no need to talk really.

I read all of your posts, I just respond to what seems salient to avoid absurdly long and impossible to keep track of shotgun posting.

My 'manual' test was a script, I get the impression your movement test is with a movement bot. The script I used to try rocket jumping was "+moveup;wait 2;+attack;wait 2;-moveup;-attack". Using no wait between +moveup and +attack meant that the rocket knocked the player up before the jump happened so I wonder how it's possible to fire the rocket and then jump? Wait 2 should be giving a 1 frame delay between the two commands. I didn't say I couldn't find a problem, the jump height did see inconsistent, I said I couldn't see how to fire before jumping.

Are you testing on a listen server or by connecting to a dedicated server?

"I don't consider one point less relevant than the other and I truly don't intend to repeat myself very often."

I want to gain any useful information possible from this exchange which means pinning down specifics on issues. If you say 10 things that's too many to discuss in one thread so I'd rather work through it one by one and understand exactly what you're saying is happening under what circumstances.

"Remember when I said arQon..."

Why don't you forget about arQon this and arQon that and stick to the details so we can discuss what's going on? So let's start with the inconsistent rocket jumps issue first and then to others once that's been covered.

It's not an easy problem to pinpoint even for me with all the hacking I can do. It's even harder with a script since scripts are inconsistent by themselves and even more so in cpma since it disrupts some things.
To start with, you need to know I am not arQon's free debugger, alright? It's to my advantage to not help cpma in any way because all I get from exchanges with the "community" is trolls and flame.

There is no reason for me to spend more time on this and I won't.
I found it funny to look into the effects of broken code but I'm fed up with the lame atmosphere around it all. This will be my first and last contribution I'm afraid.

Back to the topic, all I can say is that arQon added some code (impossible for me to know which) that breaks the intentional hack for RJs inherited from q2. This hack ensures that when a rocket is fired vertically or almost so, it explodes instantly and doesn't need to "travel" to the ground.
On a g_sync 1 setup, which is the most consistent (normally) although it has specifics. If you fire the rocket and jump at the same time, your RJ is optimal in q3, not in cpma where the rocket will hit the ground one frame later, making the already weak RJ even weaker. This applies to a remote sv also, but it's more complicated (non sync servers are already inconsistent with weapon jumps) and gets more of a random issue but is still present when it shouldn't.

That's as well as I can explain to you. The proper code is broken, with no reason, again.

PS. one of the points I'd have liked you to address is the why arQon doesn't notify of changes to physics in the changelog, I'm still curious, maybe you know why. Basically it's like only "added slope jump" was noted..

"I'm still curious, maybe you know why."

To start with, you need to know I am not your free explainer, alright? It's to my advantage to not help you in any way because all I get from exchanges with the "community" is trolls and flame.

haha, zing

reply to what he's pointing out :(

He won't :(, truth is not what he seeks.

Bullshit, I asked for details and you refuse to give them. I'm not going to waste time chasing your ego around, if you think there's an issue and you'll show what it is then we'll look at it, if you're just going to say this that and the other, then say you can't be bothered to demonstrate it you can fuck off.

luckily arqon hasen't assigned the menu to ix

Why overreact like this, hm? Relax, it's just a mod.

I've given all the needed details to identify and fix this particular issue I mentioned, that is if dev(s) bothered at all.
Thank you was a possible answer.

the only thing you are doing, is saying there's a bug, that you can hack, and that you want a round of applause.

You've given enough details for looking at one thing but with that you asked questions that make no sense like attack before jump as this is impossible for a player as far as I can tell. The rest of the comments you threw out there about lots of things being bugged you made no attempt to justify. I just don't care about chasing around after your ego, it's always the same dodgy methods, evasions and yoda comments from you. Since you wont explain the other supposed issues I have no interest in hunting them down because they'll probably turn out to be something like '0.025 unit variation on Wednesdays'.

I was polite until your stupid 'I'm not your personal blah' comment at which point I knew it'd be the usual gaz shit.

OK, if you think what I said is just "impossible" so be it, you're simply wrong and I think unable to see why. I can't force you to read the sources and learn by debug tracing thru them and it's probably the only way for one to see what is going on and why.

I was as honest and truthful as I can until now, if you think this is "my shit", then there is no need we talk anymore.

We can try again if you wish. How is it possible to rocket jump by attacking before jump, I try this and the attack just knocks the player up before jump so it's a very small rocket jump? That this doesn't work for me makes me think you're using a movement bot that's hacked into the engine doing things that are impossible for players to do.

As I said, in CPMA, it's possible because rockets don't seem to have the hacked-in-on-purpose advance they should have i.e 50 units in front of you. Instead they spawn at <50 units and need travel for 1 frame to the ground under the player. That's the simplified version.
Explosions happen after a player movement iteration so, you fire, the rocket is still travelling after this first frame. Then the next frame you jump and the rocket explodes. To have this "consistently" happen you need to have g_sync 1 with a reasonably high sv_fps, say 100 (works with less too but i don't remember the exact lower bound). With g_sync off it's random so you can't test this but it still affects your RJs defovarably.
I haven't run it since. All this is from the top of my head so there might be a mistake.

FYI all the things I say I do are possible for a normal player, in the worse cases with a script for example, it's just that scripts aren't as consistent. So you might as well stop argumenting against me on that side... I don't cheat the game, at worst I abuse it, legitimately.

Rockets are pre-stepped by 50ms (not units) in CPMA. At sv_fps 100 the result is inconsistent because the client's at 125 FPS so the timing between the client jump and the server rocket is variable. The rocket explodes on the next server frame, but the timing between the client jump frame and the server rocket frame will vary when the client is at 125 FPS and the server is at sv_fps 100. The rocket should be exploding on the next server frame, there are no travel frames. The RJ height variation will come from this variation in timing. Presumably the game would have to predict rocket knockbacks on the clientside for this to be perfectly consistent. We may do something about this for PMX but development has pretty much ceased for CPMA unless qrealka feels like taking a look at it.

Thought there was nothing to fix.
It works at sv_fps 76 to iirc. Whatever.

By the way, your explanation of "how things work" is wrong. Client framerate being the same as sv_fps doesn't make them synchronous in the real world, even on a listen server. That's why I was talking about g_sync on. Rockets are wrong in CPMA, it's that simple.
It's truly not worth it that we talk, is it? You approximate and guess everything, instead of rigorously *verifying* everything you say, which is what I do. There are debuggers outthere, teach yourself and arqon to use one.

"Client framerate being the same as sv_fps doesn't make them synchronous in the real world, even on a listen server."

I never stated it did, it just makes it sufficiently reliable that the variations in timing become pretty insignificant. The level of issues you're pointing out seem pretty irrelevant to players and more suited to defrag, there is limited time to spend on things so some have a higher priority than others.

Inconsistency of client's and server's explosions is itself a baseq3 issue. I'm not against improving on that, as long as it comes closer to synchronous behavior, which is desirable.
What I'm questioning is the act of making it worse than it was... and maybe then saying there are more important priorities [than fixing what was messed up by ignorance].

oh and I was wondering why did the LG hum get nerfed? (seriously) after fixing (or semi-fixing) the sound leaks?

I thought that was against the whole the way it's actually meant to be thing... ?

The way it's meant to be = no dropped sounds, not "bursts your fucking eardrums"

Basically you don' care whatever I say. I expected this.
I'm not your personal enemy or one of CPMA you know. My interest in it just stems from curiosity. I'm not a high grade coder as you say but I'm a very high grade algorithmist and most of all I know how to debug, which most programmers don't, I know that : I'm a lead programmer telling them what to do and they are unable to because they have no rigor.

I totally respect you and I also totally respect Ix, if you guys could find some common ground (the love of Quake 3), then maybe you guys can come together to find a way to make CPMA a better mod that both OSP and CPMA players can come to terms with.

Of course CPMA can be improved to match everyone's liking but this won't happen since the unique developper of CPMA says it's perfect as it is and all his followers totally agree.
I don't understand why CPMA's VQ3 has to fit the expectations of people who DO NOT play it : arqon and his CPMers. There is no rational explanation to this.

let me try to understand this:
you play defrag?
and it's impossible to do some old jumps?
that's why you whinge about CPMA?

The guy who broke VQ3 doesn't play it, right? So why did he touch it?

answer the question?

No, that's not why.
I do not play CPMA and thus I don't care about how fucked up it is.
I'm asking questions on behalf of the people who are forced to play it. Those people don't happen to play much of defrag.

There is no more point in talking about jumps/tricks in CPMA than those in CorkScrew or ExcessivePlus. Neither of them is Quake3. You too can make a mod and change physics.
There is only one standard in q3 : baseq3 and defrag. Defrag is in the standard since it has "complete bit to bit compliance with baseq3 physics" as a basis.

So going to explain the remaining inconsistencies?

"Of course those lanes aren't real life maps but they demonstrate a real life problem with strafing in CPMA."

They might represent a real life problem for trickjumpers, but not for DM players. What you and others claim is that vq3 1v1 got slower because of the strafing, and that's what I can't see. The difference in speed is simply to small to have any impact on gameplay.

There is a non negligible difference in speed between quake 3 and it's CPMA version.
You can't see it because you don't want to, there is no reason to cripple q3 this way, any fps in q3 is better than CPMA's "VQ3". In any case, any difference is significant if it makes you fail a jump you can't fail.

Now, what is your resignation for the massively crippled RJs? With the stupid "fire before jumping" effect of CPMA?

All this is neither done nor to be done...

EDIT: removed inexact figures

Can you explain to me what the fuck are you arguing for? The problem with vq3ers is that they're stupid beyond comprehension and can't seem to grasp this simple rule: "Play OSP and bash CPMA, or play CPMA and SHUT THE FUCK UP".
Defraggers have chosen the first and have never taken upon this issue because it doesn't concern them. Now why can't vq3ers do the same if they hate the mod so much and OSP is that much better?
You talk from a defragger's POV. A vq3er shouldn't be concerned that a CJ gives him 397 ups instead of 400 or that you dont accelerate as much after 1000 ups when you have times better netcode(yet another underappreciated feature) because of that minute sacrifice.

Oxymoron:

In any case, any difference is significant if it makes you fail a jump you can't fail.

I play more defrag than OSP, I play CTF there though.
You don't need speed in Quake 3 DM, alright.

About your last "remark". You can't tell a figure of style from a figure of speech.

lalalallla
Imagine how proud arqon must be, getting this many players to rage just because of some stupid minor bugfixes!
I'm sure he's doing the victory-dance right now.

It can't be that real pro players fail bridge 2 rail in cpma.
Honestly, it's like gaz says, any frame dependent physics quake 3 offers works better than the so called fixed cpma physics.

For defrag. Otherwise you get bugs and crappy netcode, but oh wait... I forgot you vq3ers call them skills.

Basically it's like trying to sell a Ferrari with a cockpit full of poo.

If it was cheap and not dog poop I think I would still buy.

RAGED POLACK ALERT

in osp and excessiveplus jumphigh is at least 47/48 (depends on pmove_fixed 0/1 + pmove_msec 8) so its possible to do the trickjumps.

In CPMA jumpheight is 47 units:P

I've never seen a fanboy THIS desperate as this polish guy. :|

QUAKELIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


OSP JUMP HEIGHT WITH NO LAG ON JUMPS.

OSP jump height in Quake Live ? buhahahhaha
It is even lover than cpma.vq3

nda

this never gets old does it?

amen to that

BSNS TIME

lol nerds

THIS IS SRS BSNS

OF COURSE, IT'S THE INTERNET!
CRUISE CONTROL FTW!

SOUNDS/MOVEMENT/BALANCE ALL FIXED IN QUAKELIVE STFU ABOUT CPMA VQ3 IT IS TOTALLY DEAD WHEN QL COMES OUT, JUST LIKE OSP DIED WHEN CQL WANTED TO USE CPMA FOR TOURNAMENTS.

CPMA VQ3 IS OWNED HARD, JUST WAIT.

lol, at first glance i thought it's penis enlargement spam bot.

i wanted to change my password to penis, but the site said it was too short :(

owned.

tool

best band, ever

You meant to say, "Gun's N Roses".

you mean to say the jonas brothers

you meant to say system of a down.

you meant to say meshuggah

I'm just happy I don't have to see "CPMA VQ3 DUEL SERVER #9002" <3.

And I'll take one penis-pump to go please, I need to enlarge my e-penor :/

ix on the other hand, is a pure genius. After all, he's part of the CPMA team.

CPMA fanboys all around. Have fun with your broken mod, CPMA'ers.

we actually do have fun and don't cry all day on forums, thanks!

see you in #cpmpickup

Did I make a post on here claiming to be amazing and forget about it, which you're now not using the reply function for, or are you a 125 FPS player who likes to skip straight to the insults? CPMA has had fixed physics for longer than it's supported VQ3 so it's not like it was sprung on you people. Your complaints should have been to the organisations choosing the mod, not us.

IX YOU ARE AMAZING!

bakkes

What maps, and what jumps are excactly ruined? All I see is a giant wall of tears, no pictures or demos.

Q3Tourney2, telejump - yes this map is totally b0rked regardless of the telejump or not.

The t2 telejump is probably the easiest to point out. Still there are other things too of course. Like Gaz is trying to explain regarding the RJ's, try doing a RJ on ztn's lover YA to SG spawn. The height of the RJ is noticeably lower compared to what is was in OSP.
This kind RJ's applies to maps like T4, dm13, nodm9, and other maps where you can do usefull maxed out in height RJ's as well.

Last of all, these are things that you'll get used too if you switch from OSP. And if you've played alot you will of course notice them by yourself...

Groundbreaking

ah good thread

wow