don't say "dragon punch"!
you know it's "sho-ryu-ken".

ryu = dragon
ken = (literally, fist) punch

I fail to see the problem.

the problem is that it sounds retarded in english.

so do you

fuck you

you don't say fuck you. you say bad word.

TIGAAAAAAAAA

wow now i am jealous!

once this comes out i'm quitting my job and cutting all connections to the outside world.... except the internet.

whats the dif?

like social connections...

whats the dif?

come to think of it... i don't know...

cricket

Sagat has sun highlights on his chest, yet the sun is setting behind him....

I'm not buying this unrealistic POS

You like realistic games that knock your teeth out as you play them?

LOL - maybe it's an alien world with two suns ;)

Duh, the sun travels millions of miles, so do you really think it does not have enough strength to penetrate the skin/tissue?

In computer graphics this is known as subsurface scattering.
Which is probably not the case here, but they might have implemeted a cheper version of it to give a similar effect and this is a static frame rememebr, from a game that runs at 60.

lastly, you have no idea of what objects are in the foreground, which could have deflected the light back, so in your pursuit to sound a smart ass you did in fact highlight your painfully basic understanding on how light works.

Please don't talk shit about computer graphics or street fighter.

you could have been joking, but graphics and street fighter are not laughing matter!!!!!!1

Sorry but you're the smart ass. Mentioning sss is completely irrelevant, and yes highlights shouldn't be here unless there's a huge mirror in front of them.
And shadows aren't even aligned with the sun, so to me it looks like you did in fact highlight your painfully basic understanding on how light works.

And I just noticed the boat is going left while the wind is going right from looking at his short.

Mentioning SSS is not irrelevant, its educational.
Secondly, I never said anything about the shadows or anything else in the scene.

So all you've done is told me SSS is not relevant when it was a passing comment on how light can penetrate surfaces.

And in your desperate attempt to appear clever and turn my sentence around on me (no matter what you have to imagine) you're actually basing connclusions on things I never even said, just because you want me to say them.

Nice try, but if you actually read what you write you will see your flaws.

My attempt at bringing lighthearted sarcasm to the world of ESR has apparently failed-

Your goal of being a total ass however, was a rousing success!

yay for you

"you could have been joking, but graphics and street fighter are not laughing matter!!!!!!1

Actually I was being sarcastic too, so ironically and by your own definition that must make you the ass for not getting my light hearted sarcasm and taking it seriously.

Unless of course you think its ok to mis-understand my sarcasm and I should somehow get yours?

The moral of the story, don't try to be sarcastic and ironic if you can't pull it off.

"In computer graphics this is known as subsurface scattering.
Which is probably not the case here, but they might have implemeted a cheper version of it to give a similar effect and this is a static frame rememebr, from a game that runs at 60.

lastly, you have no idea of what objects are in the foreground, which could have deflected the light back, so in your pursuit to sound a smart ass you did in fact highlight your painfully basic understanding on how light works."

This is not sarcasm, this is you trying to be condescending on an internet forum.

So basically what you're saying is, its ok for you to say when someone is serious or not (based on your interpretation), but when its the other way around, you expect others to just take what you write in the way you think they should (regardless of how you come across to them)

DEEPLY flawed argument. Oh and how was that condesending given 99+% of readers would have had no idea what sub surface scattering was before I mentioned it?

Seems to me you have issues with people questioning you.

WHOA. Read my first post. Very obviously a sarcastic response on the look of the game (the game looks graphically impressive, and everyone loves street fighter- obvious sarcasm)

Now, Look at your first reply to me! You called me a smart ass, and talked about how "painfully little" I know about light.

Awesome, you rule.

But I was still joking. Your whole point of critique is me taking you seriously, but you're doing the same thing to me.

you do know I'm just trolling between putting a pc together so I'll say gg and leave it at that :)

you're wrong Jamerio, stfu

Yeah, graphics is DEFINITLY the reason we all still love/support/play Quake3....

ok, i solve the mystery: HE MADE A JOKE!

=)

Liam is standing but naked on this side ;(

i got to play on an actual viewlix cab :D

it is really fun, focus attacks are pretty cool i just hope the pc version has good netcode

should have been 2d or cel-shaded

urgh .. no way . This looks much better

It is cel-shaded.

ah, so it is. it just looks bad imo. perhaps making sf4 in 2d HD, would be too similar to ssf2thdrasdf

2D > 3D that's for sure, but they have to make something that attracts new players.

Just see Diablo III. I always wished for another 2D Diablo, but it didn't happen :(

Saw it at games convention was far from impressed

anyway how one could be impressed by another sequel of a 20 years old brand ? I guess we just want the gameplay to be good, which it seems to be

why? did you play it?

Angel Munoz also replying beneath the article with: this would be a great game for CPL 2009 :----------)

when is this baby coming out?

would like to know that too

Winter 2009, probably in February.

I read something about a release in February/March. Simultaneously with the new Street Figther movie...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0891592/

Street Fighter IV will be released before March 31st, 2009.

link

To put it lightly, you haven't met the professional "turtlers" yet..

which translates into +BACK by your opponent and you pulling your hair out :D

i don't think turtling will work too well in SF4 from what i've read.

You can definitely turtle. There are defensive style characters in sf4 like guile or dhalsim, and focus attack > backdash cancel allows you to stay pretty safe. That said, the game looks balanced in terms of offense and defense to me.

it will work, im not saying overpowered or anything but it will be just as viable as playing offensive... turtling until you can focus attack a predictable move will be a popular style im sure

the thing that puzzled me is that on ggl the reviewer said that it was just like Street fighter turbo, but then towards the end of the review said maybe the next street fighter should be faster? hence more like turbo? so basically he contradicted himself!

was talking more about offense-based gameplay, but like aquashark said above i didn't take into account pure turtle gameplay. we didn't really get too much time with it, unfortunately.

I think it will work really good and the long rounds prove it. In fact, when I get my hands on this I know I'm going to play Vega or Blanka and turtle people to death.

There are simply no tools to beat a turtler unless you are using a fast grappler like Abel or El Fuerte. Throws whiff, have 2 frames of start-up and do very little damage; lvl. 3 focus attacks are too slow to even be considered against turtles and lower level focus attacks can easily be stopped.

where are you getting all this information from? i thought i've been following the game development very closely but i haven't heard any details about the fighting system yet.

shoryuken.com forums ofc

it's like the ESR of fighting games (only with a shit ton more idiots)

i used to visit SRK for SFA3 but haven't been there in a long time... totally forgot about it.

Here's a pretty good system guide from Neo Empire: http://www.neoempire.com/forum/showthread.php?p=102971

If you are brave enough, you can also try SRK's SF4 forum.

God turtling sucks. Watched a few SF4 vids yesterday and you barely take any damage now, even from the highest powered combos when you're blocking.

I haven't played sf in a decade but weren't there stronger chars (bizon etc) that could do quite a bit of damage even if you were +back all the time?

In the SF2 series most characters can do quite a bit of chip damage, but I don't think that would be enough in SF4 to make it less "turtly".

screw turtling. just give me chun li's poke-poke-poke-super, then poke some more.

so what system will most likely be used for tourneys and stuff? ps3? 360? i doubt it will be the pc right?

there is a push for the pc, as it supports both ps3 and 360 controllers

AND the ggpo-system :)

I think the Xbox 360 will probably become the tournament standard, specially in the USA where it has a bigger user base than the PS3 and a much bigger on-line community. In Europe things might be different because PS3 has the upper hand.

But still, the reason I think it will be the Xbox 360 is just because Microsoft really pushes its console for tournaments and supports big events (although I heard this might change a bit in the future), while Sony doesn't seem interested at all.

PS3s ARE SHiT (me waits for m8 to flame back)

Is it just me? Why is the GGL wire link not showing up anything? :(

GGPO! :D

SF4 looks _okay_ but Rufus and Fuerte are probably the worst character designs the franchise has seen to date (some of the Alpha char's where pretty dumb as well).

Also, I'm kind of bummed out at Capcom for just downright ignoring 3rd Strike all together.

Anyway, I'm waiting for the 1.0 version, since we all know there's gonna be at least two more SF4 games.

compared to most uncharismatic 3s characters, Rufus & El Fuerte are incredible designs

>:(

GUTTER TRASH!

I think SF4 might not be perfect in any way shape or form. Sure, it will have it's flaws. Sure, the hardcore competitive players might not play it for a while. Sure, it might cater towards the turtlers, thus making the games less entertaining.

BUT FOR FUCK SAKES, PLEASE GET DOA4 THE FUCK OUT OF E-SPORTS AND TOURNAMENTS

=)

sorry, but the SF pros play even the SF games they hate to defend their reputation :D

no fatal1ty/toxic style dodging of Quake3 etc.

so SF4 will be really competitive

Good =)

yea i can't wait.. hope it gets picked up by ESWC and the likes... Street Fighter is one game for which i'd uninstall even Quake 3.

BURN ASHR!

Gillz, go to Lovegety Station in Toronto and play sf4.



btw, ST > all

sf3 most retarded sf ever
sf4 second most retarded sf ever

I'm not in college in Toronto anymore.

WAY TO GO

='(

here's a pretty good match i uploaded on Wipido:
SF4 - Abel vs Sagat (unknown players)

v nice second round :o

Sf3 > Sf4

when it's not even out?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSGW7CwD5GM&feature=related

No Sf3 block = fail

that's exactly why they removed the parry system :/

edit: i won't miss it anyway... i haven't played much SF3. mainly an SFA3 player.

who plays A3 really?

gimmicks lovers ^_^

well my country never had arcades so when we were young we'd play a shitload of ST on the SNES. then i grew up... the consoles were obsolete and i completely forgot about SF until i found PC emulation... CPS3 wasn't emulated yet so i ended up playing SFA3 for about 3 years.

ST wasn't on the snes btw

my bad. i meant Street Fighter II Turbo which was kinda like Champion Edition and Hyper Fighting together. later, i moved onto Super Street Fighter II

All these versions makes me noob alienated :(

cuz ppl want to play it in a dumb way ?

dunno... i watched an interview where the developer said something on the lines of "people getting too good at parrying everything to the point where special moves were made redundant"

can't remember properly.

I kinda' (bit easy to execute) liked the Alpha 1 system where it just used a whole par of super.
It was the first time they implemented a parry system into SF and I felt it was a good combination because you could use it maybe twice per round at the expense of your super moves so there was a constant trade off you had to keep track of.

parrying is one of the most retarded things to come from sf. universal counter systems are just mindless.

want to counter ken's jumpin forward? just parry
want to counter yun's dive kick? just parry
want to counter chun's low forward? just parry
want to counter a throw? option select parry

evo2k8 results:
1. chun 2. chun 3. chun 4. chun 5. chun


btw, Daigo still plays ST more than sf3 lol.

yeah, the Evo 2K8 standings were LOL

And ? its a block that require lot more skill then +back...

try holding +back when im going for an ambiguous crossup. try evading my fireball when you're on your last chip of life... oh wait you can easily just react to it and press +foward as soon as it comes next to you.

i guess you didn't understand what i meant by a universal counter system. UNIVERSAL COUNTER (AKA PARRYING) = I DONT HAVE TO LEARN JACK SHIT ABOUT OTHER OPTIONS TO COUNTER THINGS SINCE I HAVE ONE MOVE TO COUNTER THEM ALL.

when you add parrying you can jumpin all day without ever worrying about receiving an uppercut. parrying removes all aspects of zoning, space control, and positioning from the game. in 3rd strike, there is no such thing as being in a disadvantaged position because you have something called a parry to save your sorry ass. you can make all the mistakes you want in 3rd strike but can pull out a win because of some stupid shit called parrying. basically what i'm saying is that 3rd strike is a watered down 3d fighter. do you notice how everything from a distance in 3rd strike is practically useless?
zoning, space control, and positioning requires more skill than parrying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3iNC_SYedk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6hZKF5CcNQ

target combos and super cancels.... oh that's sooo hard to pull off since i'm given three months amount of time to do the input.


evo2k8 3s top 2:
(1)nuki
(2)justin wong

evo2k8 st top 2:
(1) john choi
(2) nuki
(8)justin wong

ST overall is more difficult and requires more skill than 3s.

ST>SFA2>SF4>SF3

lol, hardcore whiffing

He's right though, Super turbo was IMO last of the greats and IMO the best fighting game ever and probably my favourite game of all time.

That's why its still favoured by old schoolers, the older versions of street fighter were by far more skilled. The animation made it what it was, the frame by frame timing was so precise and solid.
There were two hit combos even in the original street figther 2 that were harder to execute than many 10+ hit combos in any other game.

That's how fucking elite that series was was. U play super turbo well you play any fighter well.

which reminds me of that ST player almost winning a big Guilty Gear tournament with nothing but normals and special moves.. no gazillion combos, no roman cancel bs etc.

ST is fundamental

Sf3 is very intense:
Parrying evolved the gameplay by allowing the offensive flow of a match to be reversed.

While TS is:
+back, stuck at the ground and Hadoken.


BTW: using vids from 2002 is just lame

He just gave you a lesson about why parrying is a bad gameplay mechanic (and that's why no other game after SF3 has used parrying).

"Allowing the offensive flow of the match to be reversed" is just a crappy way of saying that the player applying the pressure due to good spacing/positioning can be punished without making any mistakes, which is another reason about why parrying negates strategy (and he hasn't even talked about option selects).

And I guess you haven't played much ST or have only seen a few O.Sagat videos.

PS: he's using 2002 videos because the game hasn't evolved that much, so it doesn't matter. It's still all Chun vs. Chun with the crappy low forward option selects into super.

i agree to some extent, but parrying can also keep players from abusing the same strategy over and over again when applying pressure to someone. it makes the game exciting because it facilitates comebacks and so you can't simply throw an ex fireball and win just because your opponent is low on health.

Sometimes things just aren't meant to be. A comeback can also happen in ST, and it is much, much more impressive to see it happen, because you have to work for every part of it. Imagine in q3 a new mechanic if you right click within 200ms of a rail hitting you, instead of you taking the damage, your opponent takes 2x the damage. That is basically what a parry is. Sure, it can be impressive when someone makes a clutch parries when they need to come back, but it undermines part of what makes 2d fighters tick. Theres always a way out of abuseable things in good games, but they require more effort, strategy, and thinking than just tapping a direction for relatively low risk for a huge reward.

So that's why parrying in 3s made for an interesting game where no players can abuse the same strategy over and over.

Oh wait...

Haha, don't get me started in super turbo.

I swear this black guy in London was unbeatable with sagat.Every time he lost a game, he would pick sagat and make everyone sorry for beting him in the first palce.

I mean he was abusing the game really cos sagat had this really dodgy standing fierce standing kick which seemed to have stupid range and damage, combine that with crazy Low high tigers which he executed flawlessly and it was game over if he go 3/4 away from you, which helped him further cos he knew people would always come to him from the word go so that already put him at an advantage.

Great days!

What does the guy being black have to do with the story?

RACIALIST!!!!1

What does the guy being in London have to do with the story?

What does him being a guy have to do with the story?

"Parrying evolved the gameplay by allowing the offensive flow of a match to be reversed." what's TS???

you can already do that in sf2 by using 1 frame reversal dps, up kicks, or spds. sf3 has done nothing to build off of that. all they really did was nullify reversal dps and replaced them with an easier and safer version called the parry.



"you can't simply throw an ex fireball and win just because your opponent is low on health."

there are already have enough options to get away from those, even in a wakeup situation, in super turbo.



"Theres always a way out of abuseable things in good games, but they require more effort, strategy, and thinking than just tapping a direction for relatively low risk for a huge reward."

couldn't have said it any better

so you've had the chance to play sf4?

yes, at comic con back in july and during evo2k8.

it was all about xmen vs streetfighter

ya dig?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sZZUMjoxfZA

Haha, awesome!

No one who cares about BlazBlue? That looks lika da bomb!

Tatsunoko vs Capcom is looking better imo, shame we probably wont see it outside of japan

right now tvc is a mess, because the pushblock and horrendous move recovery basically makes it possible to punish anything (like blocked jabs). if they fix that it could be good, but its gonna be a ton of work to decrease the recovery of every move.

haha thats crazy

I care a lot about it, but it seems like it's too far away from getting a console release.

HAGAR CODY GUYYYYYYYYYYY

Is SF4 gonna be on pc/xbox360/ps3?

I would like to buy it on pc but if not ill buy a xbox360 or ps3.

I used to really like 2d fighters awhile ago especially mvc2 sfa3/ third strike and guiltygear xx.

Yes, it's going to be on those three platforms.

By the way, here's a live stream from a Korean arcade:
mms://125.141.100.105/korea-sf2ce-live-forever

They usually stream SF2CE, but they are streaming SF4 recently, and they have good players.

Hope this will come out for wii, too.

lol

street fighter 2 turbo > *