Iiyama if they're available in your area. Check the ProLite series.

For overall ease of obtainment, look to Samsung. Very nice LCDs for FPS gaming.

http://www.digitalversus.com/article-358-4495-36.html

Response time: 5 ms - is this is a joke ?

No, in general response times are very serious people.

They don't have time to joke around, work to do and such.

problem solved?

I have to say that 2233rz is a good tip
according to that article its a real 120hz (uses 120hz input source) monitor and the input delay is okey (in comparison, same as T220 according to digitalversus).

move to Texas????????

that would make the screen even bigger, wouldn't it?

Wait, don't bother buying an LCD.

They're still shit.

=(

Deliver URL's with the models. Jesus I just hate this thing. I would love to get a flat screen for the massive space I would win, but I also want to keep playing some Quake without going blind. Rage much at screen technology.

i have a samsung snychmaster BW226.
after about a week, you won't notice anything anymore.
no tearing either

Yeah but theres the pannel shit going... and buy online, so I can't check if the panel is a cheap one or not.

Yeah, I do 90% of my shopping at Newegg, but for the Samsung 226bw I got it at a local Office Depot so I could check it out first.
I really do love it, and I'm kinda feeling like giving it some more time. I've been just using my CRT for about a month now.

if you have to you have to. crts are still superior to tfts tho

But I want the extra space, and LCD seems less eye exhausting for some reason.

for still images and slow games (rts or wow) they are better because the image is more.. clear.. but for quake/fps you are still taking a step down.

and i'm not baised, i did this research myself some time ago :). if something new hasnt happened in 6 months this still goes.

i got both tft and crt next to each other for different purposes.. i run mirc/quake at crt and the rest at tft.. sometimes i even turn off the crt because of the itchy light it makes

Well if people like fox and fooki got used to the 226bw maybe its time to just deal with it and adapt. Can't be that bad after some time, and would be easier to play on a CRT later. I don't have hope for that flat CRT technology (whatever it was called) to be released anytime soon, so fuck it.

yeah man its not like it will make you shaft 50% worse :)

you can get used to most things.

You'd THINK that, but wait until you see the blur from LCD's. It causes some pain my eyes, it's just hard to look at. People say you get used to it, but, that's nothing to brag about.

You can make shit look like chocolate pudding, but it doesn't change the fact that it's still shit.

Well if people like fox and fooki got used to the 226bw maybe its time to just deal with it and adapt. Can't be that bad after some time, and would be easier to play on a CRT later. I don't have hope for that flat CRT technology (whatever it was called) to be released anytime soon, so fuck it.

You mean DLP?

Honestly, I don't know. Most tournaments use LCD's, but each one is shittier then the last.

I tried a few 2MS over the summer, they were pretty bad.

I'm just going to wait a bit, see what happens. I know Fox has the V922 or something, but I don't think they make it anymore. I'd consider that.

The hell is V922.

the viewsonic 1280x1024 lcd that fox was using awhile back.

Ah sorry, VX922.

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=18...=ViewSonic

Its cool that its 19'. I always see the most mentioned ones being 22. So if Fox can play with that why you or me wouldn't? Can't be that bad ffs.

So playing 800x600 is over I guess, you need to go 1280x1024 with these to avoid tearing your eyes apart amairite?

Well, apparently the one fox has is SUPER fucking good and has little to no blur, but, I don't know. You'd have to ask him =\

I'm still waiting for an LCD that the majority of people here can agree is good.

Aren't you saying it is the VX922?

Yup.

So I'll get that one then. If he can play ok then its a good reference. Also for me nowadays adapting to that>huge space lost with CRT.

I'd PM Fox first, just to make sure his opinion still stands =)

I'm using the viewsonic vx922. If I remember right it took me about 3 games to get used to it. The monitor had some tearing / ghosting first games but nothing serious. I had a shitty CRT who couldn't get over 85hz before that though.

note, it's rather old and I guess the technology should have moved forward since this monitor got made.
I've used mine for about 3(I think) years now and it wasn't brand new when I got it.

rofl

the best fuckin lcd monitor is a fuckin crt monitor

Good one fuckface. I'll destroy your stupid ass daughter.

Oooh, fuckin' fuck. Her ass is fuckin fucked now!

go away

Correct expression, approved by His Sanctity, sounds like this: go away, noob
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v158/way2fu...y_noob.jpg

buy a bigger house/rent a larger room then you can still use your crt and not use some crappy lcd

Yeah I'm afraid of the hot season while I'm sitting in my tiny PC room with my CRT which also produces loads of heat...

CRT elitists are wrong. Once you go black, you don't go back.

once you go black, you don't go george bush

I don't know about going back and black and whatever, but the CRT elitists are right.

L227WT

No LCD will ever replace a CRT.

The best settings that worked for me was to set the Window refresh rate to max (75)*

Then in game:
r_displayrefresh 75
com_maxFPS 75
native resolution


*this was for a samsung SyncMaster 953GW (19")

Response time is not that much important...wait a bit more in a couple of months new monitors will be released that will work at 120Hz

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/08/27/vie...ifference/

ppl say that there will be no ghosting/bluring on these ones :P

This has been said now for ages "wait for this 120hz monitor" but they are all "fake 120hz" and suck ass.

word.

True. It's really just two panels smushed together into one monitor, which is why it's also made for 3D gaming. I can imagine each panel takes turns every Xth of a second refreshing the screen, just like the fake 120Hz TV's do.

I hear the new L337FTW from samsung is the best flatscreen gaming monitor ever made. True 160hz refresh rate, and the balls to prove it in any online game.

Shop smart- shop S-mart.

A
nd 120 Hz is not completely necessary unless youre playing a handful of games (Quake3) being one of them. Most games will be just as good as possible without a CRT, I think it's time for a bit of evolution, even if it is say 5% worse to use with 'x' game, its worth the step up, srsly.

I totally fell for that :DD

lol

"when I flick rails and shit"
u could use sunglasses or welding glasses for that

I have asus vw222u and I gotta say that in this product price and quality really face each other. No ghosting, no input lag and possiblity to use 75hz for resolutions all the way up to 1280x800

This one looks really sexy. Anyone knows if ASUS does the same "cheap panel trick" as Samsung does with the bw226?

Also, any more comments on this one? Specs here:

http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=2...2&l4=0

I have no ide about the technical details of flat panels, so someone tell me if this would be one of the best options to play some QL basically.

just wondering that what you mean with "cheap panel trick". If you mean that is this panel using a TN-panel, then yes it is using TN-panel.

Samsung with the bw226 had three panels or something like that: A, B, and C panels. a was the quality one manufactured by Samsung, b was cheaper and c was even more shittier.

This ofcourse sold to the same price, so if you wheren't an experienced person on this you would just buy randomly and not care to check if the panel is an A panel or not.

I wonder if this is legal at all, it shouldn't.

all of the asus panels are identical.

some lcd guru on this site recommended the benq g2400wd.
look it up on digitalversus, in that dropdown list choose uhm game performance or whatever it was. it has like the best response time there.
i'll buy one, maybe.

Fucker is 24''. That is kinda too much for some QL.

nah it's not, at least i'd be happy with it

very happy

Got a 226BW. Felt pretty horrible at first, but I gave it a chance and it slowly grew on me. Soon I felt almost nothing.

Then I tried my old CRT again and fuck I'm not playing Quake with LCD again if I can avoid it. :(

Pity as everything else is better with the 226BW... Switching between them just to play some Quake is too much work since I can't have them both plugged in at the same time (TV taking up one spot). :( Life is simply tough sometimes.

I feel your pain.

So should I get the Asus vw222u? Any better candidate? (no more than 22'' please). Need to take a decision tomorrow and just buy it.

http://www.samsung.com/ca/consumer/detail/det...0TWHSUV/ZA

Any coments on this one?

I need to decide now. ESR dont fail me

that one you linked looks really nice, although probably quite expensive! samsung are definitely the way to go for tfts! gl

Not that expensive, around 150€

Dont know what you expect with that start post and all these kids posting crap here, but here's a suggestion:

Samsung T200 / T220
Great respons, relatively low input lag, good image quality

Personally waiting for Samsungs LED-backlit screens coming this month.

Btw, if you'd post in "Hardware" that would give less chance of ESR failing on you ;) There are already various threads running on this topic.

Cool, what is LED-backlit?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=LED+backlight

My head hurts and my CRT monitor is blurry in the middle. cba

lmao

simply said; higher contrast, deeper black, better colors, thinner, more energy efficient

but since they're not out yet, I have yet to see its response (incl input lag).

P2370L specs says 2ms pixel response

Too far and too expensive, not going to be able to wait for that long with this.

then I'd go T200 / T220

Good, now I need to know if Samsung still applies the "random panel quality " business in the T models so I can make a call to the store and tell the dudes to open it and make sure they are sending the quality one.

Samsung makes really good LCDs. I'd say go with it. I'd personally take a 22", since you're at the same res anyway (1680x1050), but yeah, do it up. Have fun

Way too big. I don't want to get used to something as big, im with a 17' now and i find it pretty big already.

samsung syncmaster 206 bw - fucking awesome monitor, i'm so pleased with it.

http://www.digitalversus.com/duels.php?ty=6&a...&ph=12

No way.

"One defect should be mentioned: the T200 displays images with a small delay (27 ms, or on average it’s a little more than one image behind a fast screen; however, only the most extreme gamers will notice this)."

Damn

what source? edit: ah, digitalversus.com hmm thats usually good
also check http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1622535

well its decent

compared to the earlier mentioned LG 120hz monitor on input lag:
select "delay compared to CRT"

http://www.digitalversus.com/duels.php?ty=6&a...&ph=12

Fox's monitor still the best? A 2006 monitor has less input lag and is more responsible than a 2008 Samsung. Nonsense.

i guess so... sad huh
think its caused by overdone post-processing, just to pump up image quality and nice spec nunbers for marketing, while leaving out input lag measurements

there also was a Iiyama with 0 delay tested there btw
http://www.digitalversus.com/duels.php?ty=6&a...&ph=12
http://www.digitalversus.com/article-358-2511-50.html
Iiyama ProLite E2201W

Is that possible? Too bad it seems near impossible to find for me.

ye it is impossible, LCD needs at least one frame buffer afaik
these input delay tests arent that exact, more a good indication

I would go for the T200 i think, but what I don't get is how im going to be able to play games like Crysis at 1680x1050, are they mental? (since from what i've readed if you don't use native resolutions LCD's are total crap). I guess you can play ok QL at that res, but newer games.. no.

On a side note, lan related: In the ones i've been at, i guess the LCD's used are always being far from the best in the market, so I guess getting used to a bit of the whole "playing on a LCD" feel can't be bad at all. What I don't get is, imagine you go to a LAN and they have this LCD monitor, how are you supossed to know what the native res is to play in perfect conditions?

And again on the Samsung, what i've said here: http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1666398#pid1666398

Also the zero dead pixel policy worries me, afaik Samsung doesn't give a shit if your monitor has dead pixels, like ASUS does.

And finally, are the LCD monitors less agressive in the eyes/less radiation etc, or all of that is just marketing bs?

my bath is filling, so quickly;

recent cards have no problem what so ever at that res
crysis is just inefficient, but if you dont put up the details high, its very well playable

you can tell by the OSD what the native res is, most monitors also give a warning

lcd is easier on the eyes cause it doesnt flikker, also the backlight is more energy efficient, dunno bout radiation, i also dont worry about my GSM next to my ballsack

Well I have a 3870x2, q6600 and 2 gigs of ram and playing Mirrors Edge at 1280x1024 x2aa is not the smoothest experience ever.

BTW, i just realized the 2053bw is still on sale and its a bit more expensive than the newer T200 (can I ask why?), there is not a test of it on digitalversus but the image you posted from hardware.info says it has 5 ms input lag, and still 2 ms delay. I also like the more squared design than the T200 one.

Im still concerned about the panel thing, I want an S panel or i'll go to the store and punch people in the face

Also, does these monitor convert to 4:3 without scaling? I intend to play Quake with the two black bars at the sides, rest of eyecandy games going widescreen ofcourse.

What would you do? sorry about all the questions but damn, getting a LCD is giving me a terrible headache.

i really dont know either :) i'm not that deep into it
if i must choose now, i'd pick the iiyama if I wanted the quickest response or T220 for good overall

here are also the pixel response times tested by HWI
http://www.hardware.info/nl-NL/articles/amdnZ...ngstest/13

btw, if you're on a 19inch 4:3 monitor now, i'd pick 22inch 16:10 to keep the vertical size

Im on a 17' 4:3 crt.

oh and I would look into #2
http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1656375#pid1656375

check if its real 120hz indeed and I have no idea if it works that good in "2D" mode. 120hz privides less motion blur, looks faster to the eyes and saves about 8ms on connection (1sec/60hz vs 1sec/120hz). Also, with games netspeed related to fps, you can have a higher netspeed at 120fps (if you want to sync that with refresh rate)

Sounds neat, I would try the glasses gimmick if I had an nVidia. I can't find it on any stores I can buy from tho, it must be very recent.

Also, I guess you can only go 120hz in native resolution right?

no idea, havent looked into these monitors yet

But you think its worth the wait? Or should I go for a tft now?

its worth the wait if you really care about image quality
dont know how reactive the first monitors will be
actually I dont expect it to be different with just a different backlight, but maybe it requires less post processing or something, i dunno

I meant exclusively waiting for 2233rz for basically the "most responsive, best gaming TFT ever" comments on that page.

http://www.digitalversus.com/article-358-4495-36.html

They dont talk about its image quality as the best ever tho.

oh i thought it was a reply on the LED-backlight monitors
arent these 120hz monitors available already?
dunno if its worth it, havent looked into it, only know it will give less motion blur, will look faster

Apparently not out in Europe yet.

I'd get a 22" monitor, because of the pixelsize - your eyes will thank you for it.

http://www.digitalversus.com/article-358-3450-35.html

my 2 cents

But sounds like it looks like shit. I think i will wait for the new Samsung.

it may look like shit from factory defaults but when calibrated its as good as a 226bw S panel beacause the panels on these are from samsung

Generally LCDs arent really made to fuck ^^

well, they do suck

they're great if you're in to scat........... considering the shitty monitors

more like golden shower, they piss me off

anal sex, they're a real pain in the butt. or a male asian hooker, small but just doesn't feel right.
this isn't funny lets stfu

When I get my Samsung running at 120hz you are going to shit bricks.

you got a point

If your gf is into looking at some porn while making nasty things I see the LCD winning there.