as a ut player i really wish epic games would take a leaf out of id's book...

that's because you dont know arqon and his mod yet... RIP QL

yes i do, and you missed my point

VIVA QUAKE!

arQon to the rescue!

it can't fail now, right? right?

gtv+mvd plz

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LMAO HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
AWESOME! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

holy shit that's amazing.

just put on your cool face

peRfect; you are THE MAN!!! ._.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

AHAHAHHA NICE!!!!!!!! :D:D:DD:DDDDDD

\o/

ha, finally ql gets a chance to be successful

Exactly what I was thinking. Hopefully, he'll make actual good netcode as well as some nice features for this game.

This is the best news ever.. :) Quake Live was already going good with the direction they where going but this is even nicer !

Excelent !

Bad news...
There will be ugly disbalanced shaft again =(

Dunno, from what I've heard the current netcode favors hitscan weapons anyway so i wouldn't expect the cpma netcode to change much in that respect, plus xerp isn't part of the netcode anyway.

But even if it would upset the balance, ql is being maintained, meaning they could do the sensible game and adjust the game to a working netcode and not the other way around.

Good luck arQon. Please just don't split community _again_. Work for id is as VQ3er and then in your free time develop pmX. Thanks.

quakelive is now just a synonym for pmX

kidijng? pmx focuses on a completely different gameplay and has lots of custom content that is not arQon-made and therefore probably not part of quakelive.

nah, trollijng. sounded too serious though :<

At least the timer already goes both ways this time.

the vQ3'rs can still play CPMA/OSP/baseq3, arQon is hired to work on vQL, not vQ3

Don't split the world in two difrent physics

\o/

One set of Physics is enough!!!!

GOGOOGOGOGOG ARQON!

good move!

One could almost assume that you left out

While hardcore CPMA fans will be disappointed that the mod's unique gameplay physics will not be incorporated, another popular enhancement from CPMA will be included: the netcode.

from your quote to stir up some drama.

If so, well played :)

QL netcode is kinda better actually.

hell to the no

xerp*2

That's not the important part of that quote

whats better about it?

Not sure, but my accuracy is about 10% higher with twice the ping.

which could also mean it's FUBAR.

no

Okay, no.

I need to take a shit, and what will fall into the toilet bowl a few minutes from now would probably make for better netcode than QL's.

He will probably leave on his own when they refuse to remove PB :)

Or maybe they will simply fix it ^^

ID doesn't develop PB.

Yeah I know :)

finally a chance that a good netcode will be implemented! \o/

now hire lukin and pukka for new maps =)

+ remove dm6

A little bird told me that the success of QL will decide whether or not new maps are made.

problem is that new maps may decide if ql will be a success in the first place

trinity seems good as map xD

Method seems to be doing a really nice job so far, if it's him doing all the new levels that is :D

ye, it's him, nice design, not sure about playability

All 3 of his levels play really nice imo(except maybe trinity, but people like lots of weird maps in CA, so...). He's doing a really nice job!

niice

+ add ztn (imo most overplayed map tho)

kill this guy...

actually mate, dunno if you have played qlive yet but during the beta dm6 was all that was ever played. obviously ztn isn't in ql but I'm just saying, dm6 is more overplayed.

nice!

This is about the best thing that could happen to Quake 3 right now.

gl Kev - after two years working beside you, I can safely say that if there's anyone out there capable of shoe-horning id back into donig 'The Right Thing tm' - it's you.

can't [+] that shit enough! \o/

and with arQon follows the promode community :o)

haha, nah! only when it says: welcome to QL-Promode! My name is QL-Rat and im guiding you through this tutorial.

:o)

damn this is getting exciting!

for all cpma fanboys, now is the time to ejaculate.
dont forget to diss all mods and religions thats not cpma.

diss for what? being inferior?

Actually, QL might be _better_ in upcoming months/years with arQon's help, but I still enjoy Q3 + CPMA A LOT more, and it's not only about maps.

hire some map makers too... ql has say 6 decent maps atm :x

a mapping contest can do it.
as always said, we need ztn and hub.

this:

you

I.
AM.
SPRAYING.
CUM.
EVERYWHERE.

its SPRAYIN' noob ^^

It's great to see Carmack finally admitting the error of his ways and vindicate the rabid fans!

Where do you see that? :o

Oops; seems like my memory is failing yet again. When I try to make obscure historical references, I should at least try to get them right. Sorry!

So, for the record: it was Paul Steed and not JC that called Hoony (CPM inventor, founder, ... and generally wise person) a rabid fan:

from an update posted on challenge-world by Hoony on 24/02/2000:

Paul Steed has updated his Thinking Outside of the Box column with the beginnings of a huge tutorial on "cyberguy", a model inspired by an argument I had with him in Australia:

Recently on a trip to Australia with Tim Willits promoting Q3A, a rabid fan at a pool hall in Sydney accosted me. This fan, hopelessly dedicated to the dream of keeping all shooters exactly like Quake, raised an interesting question concerning identifying with your virtual counterpart when playing on-line. His hypothesis was that since people are acutely aware that they are ‘playing’ on-line and their ‘character’ is a blatant computer generated piece of art, why not make the digital aspect of said ‘computer character’ even more apparent? Basically he wanted me to admit that devolving today’s graphics to the level they were in the Tron days or pre-Quake days was a great idea in order to better identify with your character. Well it’s not and I won’t.

Hmm ... he thinks I wanted him to admit "that devolving today’s graphics to the level they were in the Tron days or pre-Quake days was a great idea in order to better identify with your character". "Well it’s not and I won’t" says Steed, folding his arms on his chest.
[p]
What I suggested to Paul Steed was that there might be such a thing as a "tournament model" - generic enough to be used as "cyber-clothes" by most players in 1-on-1 and Team DM. For serious competition purposes, I suggested such a model could be given strong delineation, designed to look like a "cyber-athlete" [perhaps I shouldn't have used that term?], with visible armours, a helmet, bright colours and less annoying footstep sounds. I suggested the model could be based on the competitors - typically they are very agile, they jump a lot, they move quickly, hence the model would be less like "Arnie" and more like an althletic tennis player. Just another character, really - but a "cyber-competitor" rather than a "hero/alien sent to do battle in the Arenas".

Still don't see how do you link all that stuff with Carmack admitting anything we wasn't even denying and contracting arQon.

i think he said he made a mistake? was the wrong person...

"hence the model would be less like "Arnie" and more like an althletic tennis player."

off all the things... the fuck?

Just to clarify, that "promode model" project was a little "for-fun" side-line that was dropped early in the piece.

For one thing, it became unnecessary once tournament practice settled on the use of one, good model (I forget its name) and bright-skins (which was close enough).

For another, it was something that was only ever going to be worth pursuing if a modeller/artist combo of sufficient talent and ability became interested enough to pursue it independently. Otherwise, it was not a priority for the CPM project team.

We did have a few interesting conversations about "visible armors" from time to time though ...

I put the feelers out around 1999-2000 but nobody took the bait. Paul Steed had the artistic and technical skills but was clearly unsuitable for the task.

During the testing of Q3A I continually shook my head at the seemingly endless parade of web pimps and crack players who came in to play test. Don’t get me wrong, these are guys I generally think are cool, intelligent, talented and fortunate people. But does their opinion really matter when they represent the creme de la crème? The elite of the elite? These are the people that care only about one thing: stomping your face into the ground under the heel of their mighty mouse. They want to hear your lamentations as you become a red stain in the corner of q3dm1. They are the subset of the subset. Their opinion should be heard, notes taken and applied to those parts of the game that rate in an official competitive capacity.

Now you want some real feedback? Go to the mall, grab a wide variety of people running a gamut of age, race and social station, offer them twenty bucks and a free t-shirt, have them come over to the big black monolith, set them down in front of a windows background with a couple icons to click on and tell them to play our damn game. Then maybe questions like ‘what do I do first’, ‘why do the menus look like this?’ ‘Why do I have to type things in at the console thing?’ And, ‘just what the heck is a tilde?’ Could maybe have some impact on the game’s development.

I admit 1999 was centuries ago when it comes to competitive gaming but Paul Steed couldn't tell his ass from his elbow

However, he seems to be able to tell a small market segment from a large target market just fine.

ahaha all the ospers are shitting their pants now

haha, good one :D

BA BA BA B ABA BA B BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMM!!
oh wait, i have SF4, i don't care!

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sweet fellatio 4

The down side to this is that now people will use this as an excuse if the game dies.

Just like they would if that wasn't done

Right, but I have a lot of "I TOLD YOU SO" lined up for this failure, and they're only making it harder to make the original point.

yeah, that's true

Now I can finally say that it was funny to read bad comments in the past about the netcode and now all of the sudden you guys seem to like it. You're a bunch of funny guys down here, I tell ya.

-Method

q3/ql netcode is like democracy, it's the worst one except for all the others.

exception = cpma.. cpma netcode makes me all fuzzy inside.

personally, i find that altho cpma netcode has a pretty nice feel, i often hit rails that im pretty sure should have missed...

because what is drawn on the screen works differently in cpma compared to the games/mods you played before

ye i kno it does... it was my subtle way of saying that cpma netcode is overrated in terms of its accuracy, but it does give a smooth experience.

I guess I'm one of the people you're refering to. The only reason I disliked the cpma netcode was because it made VQ3 become an aimfest.

QL however has rebalanced some of the weapons (I don't know the exact changes) and in my opinion it's made the balance better when playing with great netcode. Not perfect, but better.

This, I like.

By the way I only played CA and FFA so far in QL so it's possible I don't know what I'm talking about :D

Yes, because it's not like CPMA offered a slightly tweaked VQ3 gameplay that'd have been more enjoyable in a similar way for years, nooo, it's all the netcode's fault.

I can't judge about CQ3 because I only played it for some time just after it was introduced. I liked it. It must not be hard for you to realize why I stopped playing it. It's cause nobody else did.

With QL we hopefully won't have this problem :)

yeah, but in return all the hard work to get q3 to the level of a competition mod has to be done again simply because the community is too fucking thick and unorganised to sort it out with cpma..

The LG is still brutal with a high ping in QL, so I'm still unhappy.

Go consistency!

edit - but the new rail prediction is fun

Arqon is a very insightful coder that knows what features are really needed for the competitive scene of Quake Live. I think the same as, probably, the majority of the ESR community, that his help will improve Quake Live a whole lot.

It is so because he is not going to be in a position to make any key decisions solely on his own. When he was in that position -- the whole community had to play on his mods, as they were the only really decent mods for competitive play -- he made some really bad decisions that lead to his unpopularity and did not recover from that in spite of most of the community saying that they actually liked the solutions he regarded as "bugged" or "worse" more. Most players, and almost all the ESR raging users, were saying that OSP physics were more fun, that due to the netcode the LG is too strong, and so on. Despite of people saying that, he didn't change them. I personally think that this was very arrogant.

Now, I presume that he is not the one making key gameplay decisions. He is simply a coder on a contract and I think that as long as you don't let him make any important gameplay decisions and give him only feature implementation stuff to do, he'll make a great addition to the ID team.

your bad. Arqon will use his deadly skills to convince ID that ql have to become cpma. hahahaha

definitely agree

why would you expect any coder or developer to entertain the idea of making their code WORSE to accomodate a handful of the loudest people?

"Most players, and almost all the ESR raging users, were saying that OSP physics were more fun, that due to the netcode the LG is too strong, and so on. Despite of people saying that, he didn't change them. I personally think that this was very arrogant."

you're misinformed here. arQon/the CPMA devs offered to modify vq3 and make it suitable to today's circumstances, e.g. improve the vq3 spawn system. but no matter how they tried to fix it (with community input), the rest of the community would just bitch and whine endlessly. so at some point, it was just reverted to the same old shit and left alone because the whine would never stop anyway. vq3 was now the same vq3 forever.
another try to improve things is cq3, which was already in osp back in the days but never really used. now that changes were needed badly, there was another go to improve things with input from the community. once again the community failed to provide enough input or help playtest the new gameplay and instead just whined on forums about anything.
then quakelive pops up, copies cq3 gameplay to 90% and fiddles some more with it and all of a sudden we got a new holy grail, stuck in a 10 years outdated technological environment, but hey it's from id software and not from the cpma devs.

now tell me, who are the arrogant monkeys? the cpma devs? why are they not listening to input on vq3 anymore? because they're arrogant or because working with the community was no fucking use at all? you tell me.

About the community - yeah, well, that's just how it is. Nothing anyone can do about it. Except maybe talking only to a group of pro's or other people that aren't just whiners and making decisions solely on their input.

I don't know if Quake Live copies cq3 gameplay because I did not play almost any cq3. But for me, it's just a polished Quake 3, not anythig else.

The spawn system was pretty much the only thing that they actually reverted. But, they had not reverted, for instance, the physics, which was another very imporatant issue. And it wasn't even an improvement, I barely can remember anyone saying that now the physics in CPMA are better then they were back in the old OSP days :/ Besides, nobody likes if anyone imposes something on them. And arqon did a lot of things like that, even the new weapon icons in cpma are irreversible and it surely wouldn't be that much of a burden making a cvar that would allow you to decide on wether you want those icons or the old ones. Likewise, it would be nice not to enforce, for instance, the new spawning system, physics, etc. But to set them as a default and allow voting on them.

read up on the whole physics thing, the original physics were a bug, created an uneven playing field, and would have broken the cpma netcode if the whole thing was reverted. the right way to do this would be to adjust the ground accel, air accel, friction values etc. this is exactly what cq3 does, but do you see the community support to get it to the osp feeling? I don't.

cq3 is nothing but a polished q3, read up on the changes made for cq3 gameplay and compare it to the changes made from q3 to quakelive, it's the same thing.

id is 100% enforcing things on the community, they release their game and people play it or not. I'm quite sure it's a hundred times easier to get in contact with cpma devs and address issues than with id. but it's no wonder the devs get more and more fed up with community input when there's a hundred clueless ideas every single time, and no matter what you change all you get is a shitload of whine in return. go browse esreality and read up on what the community thinks about every change in quakelive. it's a huge clusterfuck, everyones complaining about other things while they like something else, and vice versa. this community is a mess, get over it. :)

1. ql is actually very good and it is a beta
2. iirc the spawn system was a bug as well, but it didn't change the fact that it was just better and more comfortable for most people and what I do not recall is anyone complaining about uneven playing field
3. Id is enforcig some solutions but it is actually responding to a crapload of requests and working on their product in a much more cooperative fashion than arqon was with his cpma
4. in spite of addressing the last point, there is virtually no field of comparison for quake live and cpma; this is just another dimension of a product

3. Id is enforcig some solutions but it is actually responding to a crapload of requests and working on their product in a much more cooperative fashion than arqon was with his cpma

This is why every serious discussion and request thread, even backed up with poll results, was ignored/locked by id, right?

wrong?

If you weren't in the closed beta, you wouldn't know what I'm talking about.

i was
one example: rocket splash damage
yeah but keep going about how much ql sucks in every apsect, id is a bunch of nazis with syncerror-hitler-second-coming as their leader
booooooring

Keep going on about how much QL is the greatest thing since sliced peanut butter. Shouldn't you be out holding Sync's cock while he takes a piss?

yaaaawn... it's not prefect, that's why they hired arqon :>

Not hired - contracted.

contractors are hired.

as contractors.

correct

Contrectors?

two words: Con tractors.

Cause Arqon will be pulling that netcode straght! :/

roctractson?

Erm.

'WE NEED BRIGHTSKINS'

Lo, brightskins.

'LG AND RAIL ARE TOO STRONG'

Lo, lg and rail get nerfed.

'ROCKET IS TOO STRONG'

Lo, rocket gets nerfed.

'ROCKET IS TOO WEAK'

Lo, rocket gets buffed

'COLOURED CROSSHAIRS OR GAME WILL FAIL'

Lo, coloured crosshairs

'NEED CLAN ARENA'

Lo, Clan arena

Need I continue?

The posts you refer to were not much more than what you posted, too. The constructive ones responding to real problems were the ones ignored.

Sync locks the LG thread, but lets the XBOX controller thread live. Need I continue?

QL's LG has been debated over so much that nothing new will come out of it now, and I think they are happy with how it is atm. About 30% of whiners complain it's too strong, the rest that it's too weak, which isn't a bad balance. Any thread debating it turns into a shitfest anyway.

Except that the last LG thread was not bad at all. Poking random values in random weapons is not balancing.

In short, check out rudy's post. You're wrong.

To elaborate on that a bit, iirc, there are now about 8-12 people hired by ID and working on the game right now. There is one community manager in Id, SyncError. And the number of threads created on the ql forums on a daily basis is enormous. So, it is virtually impossible to respond to all of those. So, you skip those that are stupid (and most of them are completely stupid, like a bunch of threads requesting wolf instead of quake, cpm movement, major changes in the weapon balance like nerfing rail damage to 50, and so on - these are things that even I wouldn't bother to answer), discussed earlier with the community, or discussed earlier in only with other developers.

But, what I wrote and meant was that the number of requests actually met by ID is much higher than the requests met by arqon during his CPMA development days.

I don't get it. Why are you guys so ignorant? Can't you see that this is still a BETA and that they are WORKING on it, actually LISTENING to what the community has to say MORE THAN ANY OTHER GAME DEVELOPER NOWADAYS? But, it is still not enough for some of you. Geez...

And the number of threads created on the ql forums on a daily basis is enormous.

2-3 new threads a day, at most. Maybe 4-5 posts. Huge. Did you even read them?

So, it is virtually impossible to respond to all of those.

SO impossible.

But, what I wrote and meant was that the number of requests actually met by ID is much higher than the requests met by arqon during his CPMA development days.

...and? Look what that did to Warsow. Most players have NO BUSINESS offering suggestions, but then again, neither do most developers.

I don't get it. Why are you guys so ignorant? Can't you see that this is still a BETA and that they are WORKING on it, actually LISTENING to what the community has to say MORE THAN ANY OTHER GAME DEVELOPER NOWADAYS? But, it is still not enough for some of you. Geez...

The beta came out many years ago - this is simply a broken remake with less features than community members have added for FREE. Don't try to argue that QL is free - we have to deal with advertisements. Right now, the game could be much better with just a little effort. Instead of fixing the weapon balance that they ruined, or making new maps, they're making such amazing improvements as models scaling to the hitbox - a feature NOBODY ever wanted.

Again, I'll be back here to tell you "I TOLD YOU SO" in a month or so.

If that game is so bad for you, go play some cs instead, I guess. One ignorant-that-can't-even-judge-the-situation-of-the-game-properly less in the community.

Unlike you, I wouldn't even consider a game like CS. No, I put enough time and money into this game to see it to the end. Deal with it, or use the ignore function. Either way, I'll still be back here to make fun of you when I'm right.

No problem. Except that I actually like and enjoy very much the game that I play and I don't envy you getting all fired up on how this game is actually crap :)

and I don't envy you getting all fired up on how this game is actually crap :)

#care ->

Shame Marty Stratton considers the game as fully released and the BETA tag is only because they still need to iron out some stability stuff.

just to poke some holes in your reasoning here.

the way you're describing how decisions should be made is pretty much how it already works in cpma. the developers of cpma has alot better understanding of gameplay design than players in general have, and they say what goes and not.

and just to have someone say it. cpma vq3 physics are better than their osp counterpart. why you ask? because it's not bugged for one. and two because it actually made the relatively easy vq3 movement more precise and harder to be really good at. jumps that were easy in osp are harder in cpma, which means that you have to be better at movement to gain an edge from it. I also think this is where alot (no, not all) of the whine comes from, unnamedplayer notices he can't do the infamous b2r jump in this new improved cpma mod since his movement isn't good enough. he gets frustrated and vents on the nearest forum.. in form of massive whine and demands a change to better suit his movement style (which is flawed).

so there. hi.

edit: grammar :/

Am I the only one who like QL netcode? I think I like it more than CPMA netcode.. Maybe it's just that I get to play on better servers with QL..

"Am I the only one who like QL netcode?"

Nop

no you're not. it's tons better than cpma, even tho I play on twice the ping.

How is it better? just wondering, I haven't played enough ql to make a fair judgment. So far I can't really get the feel for RL, and LG seems really easy.

well I'm talking from my perspective and for me cpma blows for some reason. I can tell that in ql hitscan is pretty much where it should be ie real time. rockets are still lagged but way less than in cpma, and also ql compensates for that with speed/splash. not to mention movement is very smooth and fast.

all in all, better than cpma/osp by a longshot. only thing missing are custom maps like ztn and hub and competitive features. hopefully arqon takes care of that (without ruining it).

You hardly know if you're coming or going with the things you're claiming.

such as?

" I can tell that in ql hitscan is pretty much where it should be ie real time. rockets are still lagged but way less than in cpma"

QL and CPMA use very similar amounts of backwards reconciliation and CPMA rockets are unlagged.

I'm telling you how it feels, not how it works.

The general argument around here that the netcode was too good(whatever that means). :D

What I think is funny is that there isn't a single negative comment about arqon here yet.

Great news!

this piece of new made me:
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Jizz in my pants!

I'm surprised they didn't hire that analyzer & gaz crew.

or wait, no I'm not.

xD

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MY BROWSAR

hire granpa ztn too!

The good thing is that the whole "don't change weapon damage" will hopefully be over - when some weapon will be to powerful over the course of time (like rail and shaft in vq3) it should be change with the new patch - which everybody will have to have or they won't play

it already has been changed?

Misleading topic name. Read the article more carefully, it says that he's been contracting for us for quite a while, not just now.

-Method

It can't be that long because before I left on my trip in November arQon said that iD had not contacted him about anything involving QL or CPMA.

Unless arQon lied to me :)

or he really wrote "iD" so it wouldn't be a lie ;]

nda? And saying "I can't say anything" kinda gives it away :). just speculating

Yeah, it wouldn't even make that much sense to be contracting him now, when the open beta just went live. Of course he's been contracting with them for the past few months--I wouldn't be surprised if he's been unofficially "helping" them for the past year or two.

Where do you think iD got the netcode...

ET?

Congratulations ID on hiring one of the greatest quake modders to have ever lived.

...but it's still QL...

grats
WE WANT QUAKE LIVE PRO

great news, congrats arQon

God help us all

Would be funny if this leads to more overall involvement with game development or even id Software :)

grats Arqon!

Where is the lock team functionality!? :<

about time

QL has a future

AthonyJ next? :)

[+]

yay for AJ xx

arQon is from England.

timeout function plz

QL CPM, plz!!!!!!!!!!!!!

cpm needs it and no vq3 players it wont split your community

and the death of QL begins before it was ever really alive...

the community for this game is being split already...

i can see it now....(if its votable) every other person that joins a vanilla game will want to vote cpm physics just so they can "pwnt the nubzors" at a mod they hate and dont play...

or..

one gametype will be played more often than another and some players will be left with nobody to play against and the player base will fall and thus the ads will disappear because nobody will be playing over frustration of not liking the available gametypes on populated servers...(kinda like whats happening in Q3 right now....too many mods...not enough good ones being played....too many cheaters too but thats beside the current point)

R.I.P. Quake Live: 25 February 2009

Are you really that stupid ? it is not about adding CPM to QL or anything..

There will be no change in physics or anything.. if i'm not mistaken he is working on competitive features currently.

QL will be closed, based on 1 physics set.

Don't mind me, just replying to a total idiot.

Is that you, drad1k?

I think cpm should be voteable in ql but to please all the whiners out there just have it be playable on private servers. Arguments that it will split the community are just lol. Cpm on its best never even came close to a 50/50 split in the q3 nor did it even do a 90/10 split. It would take arqon probably 5 minutes to write up a cpm.cfg file for ql and just let the community make maps for it. I don't see how doing it this way could hurt the community but only benefit it by opening up the game to more people who dont find vq3 physics that fun. For all the cpm haters out there it wouldn't effect them because you would never see it in your server list anyways. Also for anyone whos gonna use the "If you wanna play cpm just go play cpma" excuse well the same could be used for all the people who have whined about wanting competitive features in ql. Im not just a cpm fan boy either I believe modes like defrag and others should be included.

This should have happened years ago, say, before Quake 4.

Awesome. He is a very arrogant man but this is good news.

I hope he adds air control, instant wep switch, better armors and better netcode.

dont we all

No.

arqon is a ...
he would´t even make xerp votable, not did he let us have that BUG back that made osp superior to cpma.
it´s like with your girlfriend, altho most of you nards can´t relate...at some point you even enjoy small mistakes about the things and people you like, but i guess that is too much reallife for yall.

arqon sucks, so does quake life, i know this won´t change a thing but i had to write it off my mind.
now go on jizzing your pants about this.

idiot

wow, kraut anonymous big boy!

i'm so impressed.

From one cowardly Anonymous to another, you sir, are a tool.

lol

Remind me again when OSP was magically deleted from all storage devices known to mankind?

Basically when CPL wanted to use CPMA for their turney (which later went to nowhere?). If it wasn't for that, CPMA would be played for as many players as before (5 people? I guess arqon's asshole doesn't allow for more than that to lick simultaneously).

YEAH MANG I FEEL U

Ahh arachno1d with hip-hop flavor, 'yall'

that explains why arQon isn't raging anymore on ESR forums quite for a while...

If this mean back to xerp-mg-lg-rail combo - i rather prefer QL as it is right now!

ehm ql is much more lg+rail than q3 ever was.

Fastweaponswitch + short rg reload time + less powerfull rockets = instant hit weapons only

lg 2 rg is the most powerfull combination atm

I think you can remove lg and rg and everone still says its too much lg/rail. Its so silly

less powerful rockets? i don't think so mate....rockets are superpowerful, so is shotgun.

rubbsih. after this cpm vq3 torture qlive was a remedy to play even though the netcode was a bit cpma'ish... stiil, lightyears away from this xerp-warp-lotto-gayness-netcode

pls elaborate.

what she said.

ehm ql is much more lg+rail than q3 ever was.

Why would that be? Considering the rail has been nerfed to 80 damage yet the rocket hasn't been nerfed?

rocket's been nerfed to hell and back. lot faster with more splash. unless they changed it back, haven't played for a couple of months.

\o/ Fixkinsopp \o/

Looking great! Really seem to me like it can only prove to be a succes this project. The Quake scene really needs it as well.

Now to hire Champi from x-battle so we can play tetris while in the queue !

Good idea.

better hire matricks so we can play teeworlds while in the queue !

Some of you guys are so fucking stupid it's incredible :)

You always make comments with so harsh words Vo0.

All people dosent want cpma in ql like you do..

I doubt cpma is what he is explicitly talking about.

no world title for you I guess ? :(

amazed me as well... Brainless imature brats...
Sad that arQon seems to have discontinued his software to stab people over the internet.

FINALY.. probably the best thing that could happen to QL.
gratz arqon!

This makes me wanna go on a boat and jizz in my pants, word.

vq3 fanbois egd

QLIVE isn't really vq3 anymore but yeah.

how comes the man himself hasnt commented yet!

he's shy :(

arQon being shady and mysterious? Never!

Well, as long as he doesn't make gameplay decisions this is going to be very interesting, he's talented and way more interested in improving Quake than all id put together

"so at some point, it was just reverted to the same old shit and left alone because the whine would never stop anyway. vq3 was now the same vq3 forever."

No. CPMA vq3 has different (read: inconsistent) physics from OSP. This is but one of the reasons many vq3ers prefer OSP to CPMA.

Another reason, of course, is b/c arq0n is a tool. :)

solid reasoning

those vq3ers are shit out of luck then because ql is far more different to OSP than CPMAvQ3 ever was

I sympathize with the decision to contract arquon,
I mean it is very important that many important features are included since there won't be any mods from the community for QL which will implement them, and Arquon knows quite well what competetive features need to be included. It would be cool to see Quake "live" again. But I am not so sure if it will really live ...
people prefer wow, crysis, etc. ...
I'll definately test it out when it is completed, but I won't play it,
I just have too much other stuff going on ... anyway my Quake-experience is so great and QL is just a rehash of the old Q3, I don't know what should be there what I already wouldn't know ...
but maybe I can get to play some duel arena,
like in the old Q2 days, I mean nowadays in Q3 there is only Clanarena, which I do not like so much ... I like it better 1on1 in one small arena, but hell what do I now if the players still like that today ...
and yet you have to be uberskilled, it is also a problem for me,
if I have not played for 6 months, don't know the maps, my aim isn't there, my mapknowledge is no good, and then you have to play against some guy who regularly plays 3 hours a day, it comes quite hard and my talent and previous experience is not enough to wipe them out, to wipe them out I would need to play at least 2-3 months ... I don't know if I will ever put so much energy into gaming again ... I hope the pairing system in QL will function, because then you could really get some fun not having to play against the hardcore players all the time, and you could slowly get a grip on the game ... you need some sucess in the beginning to like something ...

... I still know when Quake was released I browsed the web on planetquake.com, visited some clansites, read of the clan nine and deathrow, but I couldn't play because I was on 28.8 modem,
but all this onlinecommunity fascinated me ... but when at some time I got ISDN, I could start to play, there was still QW and Q2,
from my taste I liked QW better, but I met a friend online who recommended me Q2, and in Q2 there were more newbies and you could also have more sucess, in qw if you played on dm4, you got to play against opponents who'd spawnrape you and knew exactly where to fire the grenades to make your journey as uncomfortable as possible, already there this was no game anymore but pure competition ... and in Q2 everything wasn't so maxed out, and everything was in the beginning, and I got relatively fast good there and became my game and I forgot about QW ...

and in QL you will see all the hardcore players from QW/Q2/Q3A/Q4/UT who will also play QL regularly hardcore ...
really don't expect some newbie to last long in the scene if he always gets paired against them ... I hope this skillsystem will work, of course there probably have to be enough players for it to work ...

arquon? Arquon? RESPECT THE PACO!!!

Worst. Idea. Ever.

worst. post. ever.

he's good at what he does...if he can get out of the way of his own ego, it'll be a good thing. If I have to see/hear him tell everyone from here on out how he's the greatest most spectacular human god ever created and anybody who disagrees with him is less than the dingleberry hanging from his ass as he's always done in the past, I'm going to vomit.

Don't hate, appreciate!