what stupid thread

nazi plz

who let sporting lisboa in this tourney?

12-1

Madrid, cabrón, saluda al campeón

Yeah whatever referee decided the outcome early on

the ref nothing to do with this annihilation. real were playing like little girls from the first minute.

All Serie A/La Liga teams play like girls.

Just take a look at Roma, slapping people in their faces one minute and jumping to the floor and rolling about the next.

Yes. It's warming to know they're crying themselves to sleep right now :-)

if this keeps going, Germany might actually get third place in a few years.
Though I'm not sure its deserved I can't wait for the whine coming from Italy :D

Bayern / Lyon > Italy

especially Lyon :D


Actually I think Munich scored more goals in each of their games than the three Italian teams together in both games if you don't count the penalty shooting. :P

But Munich doesn't equal Germany.

I barely see it as what local league is the best anymore. There are now the champions league teams and the rest, and the step between those two is made bigger each new year. Local leagues get stronger or weaker just depending on the money flow, but money flow is always temporary. They have strong taxes for football teams/players at Italy now, so the money flows elsewhere. For a time, Spanish league was the strongest cause there was a pay-per-view bubble which made investors put a lot of money on football, until the bubble exploded. Now seems to be premier's time cause of foreign investors. At the end things balance but there is still the champions league teams and the rest.

Well, afaik Germany is only the best in one aspect, and that is for the fans that actually see the games in the stadium. Because the prices as very low in comparison with means many spectators.

Ye, but, what I mean is that... hmm, how to put it... what the money wants is to be in the champions league, and will just pick the local league which offers the best investing conditions/moment. There's no loyalty to a particular league, they are just tools to be at the champions league, so as local situation changes the money will flow from one to another. It can end up being Germany's turn just as much as any other.

EDIT: But at the same time, the "classic" big teams will always be there cause they generate money enough on their own, of course.

it really can't because Germany's fans have a surreal tendency to whine about investors.

example:

Hoffenheim that just got promoted to the bundesliga last year is the only club to be highly sponsored by a single person. A guy who actually grew up in the area! And he even invest in helping the training of young players etc. Also the sums he invests a are laughable in comparison to say an Abramovitsch.
I think the highest amoun they paid for a player before the season was 3 million or something...

Still he gets attacked continously by fans and also the media.

So no, no rich person should consider investing in a club here.

Also it is very difficult to achieve for technical reasons, because in the big clubs the fans often still have voting power etc.

That's a sad case. It's very similar to the situation of Villareal actually, and every Villareal supporter is very happy about it.

Anyway, having some rich excentric dude buying the team isn't the only way the money comes. Look at spanish case, it wasn't team buyers, it was the tv channels paying insane amounts of money for the tv rights. Premier's case is not as much about some excentric football supporter buying his loved team as for the advantages it has on taxes when doing this operations. Those rich bastards don't care about what the supporters think when they decide to buy the team ;)

when it comes down to national teams, few (if any?) are as consistently performing well as germany.

edit: it's also funny how england has 4 teams left in cl quarters but never manage to get far with their national team.

Will be fun to see how the english teams will do if they add that 5+6 rule.

Haven't heard of it, does it have something to do with foreign players?

Even if it goes through its a few years away but it would mean a maximum of 6 foreigners on the field.

It would be so awesome if it passed. At least I think it would.

Fine, it's the Italian teams like Inter Milan who have to worry.

Arsenal had an average of 0.34 english players in their starting lineup last season.
Liverpool has more spaniards than englishmen. Not sure how many english players usually start for Manu or Chelsea, but I guess none of them have regularly more than 5.
Italian teams will just do fine with that rule, Inter being the only exception. But there are much more talented players in Italy than in England.

Lets say the ruling was passed by the end of next season (A fair assumption as it's nowhere near to being passed). They would need to give at least 2 or 3 seasons before implementing the rule and enforcing it. So for arguments sake lets say it would be fully implemented within 3 seasons.

Both Arsenal and Manchester United have lots of promising English players in their youth academies (And ManU have several English players in their squad already).

Liverpool and Chelsea have less but still quite a nice selection and both can already field teams with several English players.

Not to mention the sale value of all the foreign players they have would enable them to snap up the best English players from other clubs.

Italy doesn't have much quality youth coming through in all honesty, they may be the world cup holders but they got humiliated at the Euros.

Will the EU allow that rule?

I thought it was settled as illegal after the Bosman case.

I can't see it being introduced, if it does it'll take way longer than my hypothetical situation.

It's a stupid rule anyway as it will just lower the quality of club football in all leagues.

And now Uefa (And Platini apparently) want to setup a European Super League.... Which contradicts the purpose of 5+6 anyway.

Oh, btw, I enjoyed Real Madrid humilliation too ;)

even if the referee has made a wront decision earlier.. real madrid at this time havent shoot 1 ball on goal :)

Stevie G <3

i hate you at times hnns

go reds!

btw: http://soccerlens.com/why-the-bundesliga-beat...rds/23169/

good read!

Boring read.

bundesliga bestest :D

It's ok, the Premiership has been a lot worse this season though but still Premiership/La Liga > *.

The guy who wrote that is from/in Kent and wanted to go and see a Fulham match. Kent have zero teams of note in any of the divisions.

So far this season Fulham have found it hard to score, and have got a good defensive record. It's no wonder he finds Bundesliga great :P

seriously tho. as much as i love to see e.g. ManU play and as much as i cringe when i see e.g. Hamburg struggle against bad teams in UEFA cup, i wouldn't want to have PL measures in germany. it's just not right to have to pay 60€ for a fkn ticket.

i also would love to see Chelsea play Bayern next round. i heard they got unfinished business.

also: i think over here we get more PL on FreeTV than ze brits. which is kinda stupid.

Well, the prices are ridiculous but it's because there is so much demand for the tickets.

Who did Hamburg struggle against? German teams seem to be doing well.

well, Wolfsburg lost to PSG. which is kinda sad, 'cause they sure got the potential and the players to overcome Ligue 1 teams.
Dzeko and Grafite are awesome strikers.

Hamburg played 1:1 at home vs. Galatasary, so that pretty much sucks.

Schalke didn't make it past first group stage.

I hope Bremen goes through, 'cause they can focus on international games, since they ruined there league season.

German teams sell lots more tickets and that is considering there are many teams that noone wants to see, e.g. Cottbus and Wolfsburg.

Most premiership teams sell the majority of their home tickets and the average ground size in the premiership is about 37,000 anyway.

Compare that to Bundesliga which has two less teams but an average ground size of 47,000 or something.

So we have an average attendance of 40,880 out of 47,000 approx vs 35,269 out of 37,00 approx. I'd say the Premiership is doing just fine and there are plenty of teams who could fill bigger stadiums (West Ham, Tottenham, Liverpool, Everton come to mind).