looks a bit dated.

My exact thoughts.

which is good!.. we don't want overbloomed, blur-ness all over! :P

Nah, but it doesn't have to be outdated to not be that :P

ah!, it does!.. name one recent "next gen" game that's not like rubbing dirt in your eyes?? cus i really can't remember any next gen games that was not eye straining in some sense.. :(

Games running on the Source Engine? :P

not next gen.. source engine is from 2004 iirc.. yes ep2 has got some gfx spicing up, but what's that? just more blur :)

anyway, I was just trying to prove my point.. it may be valid, it may not.. the point is, i'd rather play a last gen game with good gameplay, than some next gen, with super graphics, that resembles the last gen game, if i rubbed dirt in my eyes.. bloom and blur, and pretty lightning doesn't make it better :)

True true =) Unless it runs absolutely smooth, I'd rather play with Source Engine games which can look very good. Try HL2 with the high res pack from FAKEFACTORY installed, it's awesome.

ino source engine looks good.. actually better with lowres/default textures since photolike textures does not fit in any digital world imo.. rather low poly + not photo realistic looks better than low poly + photo realistic textures.. just a though when you mentioned it.. take for example quake 2 with high res packs.. does not look good..

what happened to the swastikas?

Prolly some gay censored 'pics or it didn't happen' germany, etc... version :D

It was the same with RTCW. While in the SP part of the game swastikas were present they were replaced by the rtcw logo in the MP.

It doesn't look very spectacular graphics wise, tbh, but I wouldn't blame the engine of it. Doom 3 screenshots looked more spectacular than this.

Anyway, looks way more than good enough if the game is fun.

Doom probably looked better, yes, but doom didn't have any open environment either. Some rumours claim that Wolfenstein will feature an open city, almost like GTA, which would explain the lesser graphics.

wasn't ET:QW made on a modified Doom engine? it had great looking outdoor environment.

you mean the Doom 3 engine (id tech 4). And yes, it is a great looking game.

yea d3 sorry

eh
doom3 was incredibly dark
i had a flashlight fixed at my pc to see enemies

smiled a little

blank face here

then i have done my job

i prefer halogens

guess ill make a trip to Home Depot before i reinstall it

what's wrong with this picture?

It looks like there is a submarine in the air, could be something else though :D

Could be a very big atomic bomb thats about to "land" ;)

woah thats gotta be a 100000000000000000000000000000000000 megaton bomb then!

That would habe destroyed the camera that took the pic?

Maybe think before posting :-)

What if it went down but failed and never exploded?

Maybe think before posting :-)

You can't show people a bomb that's not blowing up, that is cruelty.

We live in a cruel world so it kind of makes sense.

Tell that to them bitches showing off indecent cleavage in public :0

all cleavage is decent and good and you just stfu about it.
;D

the camera.. ?

Unless it had wifi and the camera thus automatically uploaded the pic to the internet ala a webcam? Think before posting.

u probably believe in aliens as well....zzzz

If you ever read the stupid shit that is posted on this website, you would too.

lol, 1945 or something....
think a bit befor posting.
also it would be lame if the game had hd grafics, those were only introduced liek a few years ago

God damn germans and their incomprehensible blabber. At least nekon can string a sentence together dansen.

Also, you never know what the Nazis had invented and stashed away. They did find zombies you know. Learn some fucking history, and think before you post.

When will the Zombie nazi hitler ressurect?

"resurrect????"


he's still in charge.

Sieg Heil brains!!!!!!

l2p

Looks like a zep.

nah, it's obviously a very big atomic bomb!

jesus christ stop your trolling, will you?

what is wrong with you?

What do you mean?

Joined becks in the senseless trolling is all :)

and more sucessfully :(

\o/

I suppose my humour is a bit too subtle at times.

it ain't a 'zep'. they don't have crap on top of them see, would be quite impractical since the gravity usually goes the other direction.

the house is on fire
oh wait, that's a good one :P

or Titanic is missing

raven's making it...it' will suck

:(((((((((((((((((

Lets hope not, if the gameplay is good the graphics wont matter so much for me.
Good graphics are only for singel player imo

doesnt sound like the angle they took on quake 4 tho :)

doesn't look too good hmm

I think the screens look just fine. I find it worrying that there are so many graphics whores out there. This is the main reason for the demise of the FPS genre Imo. It's all about the graphics; it should really be all about the gameplay, but oh well, I could go on for hours about how I feel about this.

No they don't.

They look like like a slightly better version of medal of honour from 2001. It's all very well harping on about gameplay over graphics, but do you really believe this game is going to offer anything new?

Me neither, so the next thing people pick up on is graphics as at least they can explore an interesting environment. And given it has the d3 engine we already know its going to have that "runs like a sack of shit feeling to it)

If I saw this game 4 years ago I would not have gotten excited graphically. Now its just plain bad on the eye.

Many of us don't want anything "new". We want a return to the RTCW style gameplay that ET co-opted and butchered and has never popped up since. Focused, minimalist class-based team play that is fast paced. We don't want rifles and rifle grenades, or iron sights. We don't want "realistic" movement. Leave that shit to CoD.

If it would turn out as good as ETMain was, that would be the best thing that might happen to RTCW2.

There is very little difference in core of RTCW and ET.

Quakewars on other hand... same engine, Quake 4 developers...Hmm can't see how RTCW2 could fail.

Done well is what people should be after, not new. New seems to mean pointless reinvention of the wheel in this context and most often gimmick.

Lol, the fact that you think FPS is somehow at the pinnacle of its potential is slightly laughable.

There are a ton of new directons and concepts they could go on in and not be a gimmick.

You might not know them, but I'm pretty sure they're out there.
Background damage for one has huge potetnial.

Blasting chunks in out of certain walls to create dynamic cover points, or smashing a pipe filled with water then the water changing the movement speed in key areas.

There is loads that can be done and it would not be a gimmick as it would force games to be less predictable.

There is more to FPS than running around static environments at 100 MPH using 15 year old game mechanics.

what spawntimes do walls have?

I didn't say FPS design was at its pinnacle of potential, your inability to read or comprehend is slightly laughable. There are many subtle areas of interaction or new ideas to explore but it doesn't mean a gross reinvention of the medium. Don't pick a fight on this topic, you'll lose horribly.

How is someone supposed to read it ...

"Done well is what people should be after, not new."

That's the most BS uninspiring statement I have ever heard to describe the future of FPS games which is a genre surrounded in repetitive unoriginality with few exceptions.

Who are you are again?

I'll lose horribly?

You think someone who worked on GoldenEye, designer on the sequel (turned down senior roles at Crytek) and is in the worldwide 1% of Fighting/FPS/Driving skill games and I won't go into my 3D expereince would ever lose badly to you?

I assume because of promode? Laughs.

You don't have one single original idea in that entire game and you're talking to me about losing badly in a discussion on the future of FPS games when all you seemingly have to show for your vision and expertise is a slower version of "Excessive" that took you how many YEARS to do?

I must say you do have that deluded self belief which is critical to CPM development. Its only really highlighted when I put it into perspective isn't it?

You think someone who worked on GoldenEye, designer on the sequel (turned down senior roles at Crytek) and is in the worldwide 1% of Fighting/FPS/Driving skill games and I won't go into my 3D expereince would ever lose badly to you?

And then you woke up.

If you tell me which parts I am dreaming about I'll be happy to prove it.

Clearly, I quoted the whole thing because I only meant a certain part.

why did you delete your comment?

You think someone who worked on GoldenEye, designer on the sequel (turned down senior roles at Crytek[pic1]) and is in the worldwide 1% of Fighting/FPS/Driving skill games and I won't go into my 3D expereince would ever lose badly to you?

I can often take games from some of the worlds best on super Turbo which is the holgrail of fighters. I got my job into the game industry from being able to do things like that and given my experience in q3/q4/d3, while not amazing ,is enough to comfortably smoke the majoirty of the FPS gaming population because Quake is holygrail of FPS and I assure you, if I had been playing as early as most of you I would be smoking you too.
Driving.


Amazing really as my first pc was not owned till 2004.
All this while holding down a demanding job and not becoming some flake.

I don't mean to be big headed but I'm an enigma.
Even when I was telling my old company changes needed to be made, I was perceived as wrong, but look what happened.
http://kotaku.com/5050970/peter-moore-on-rare...able-today I'm practically always right and that's not just my opinion of myself, its think that have happened.

I like to think I'm special. You might not like to admit it, or acknowledge it (average people are jealous of special because it makes their accomplishments look like nothing. Like Walter playing quake.), but its true and in 5 years time you'll probably see emperical truth of this in terms of recognition and finances and all this while doing everything i wanted how i wanted.
And shit you can bet your ass I'm gonna be chopsy little bitch along the way just to make it even more special when i do.

That's why I might come across as full of myself, its not that, its just the reality of what I am conflicts with what you think I am and its quite tiresome being kinda smarter than 99% of the people you get to meet.

Now you can pick holes with what I said, its basically all there and I put this here in the hope it inspires you in the same way that Jesus inspires me everyday.[pic1]

You think someone who worked on GoldenEye, designer on the sequel (turned down senior roles at Crytek[pic1]) and is in the worldwide 1% of Fighting/FPS/Driving skill games and I won't go into my 3D expereince would ever lose badly to you?

For one, both your links are to the exact same video, which don't show you as a designer. Goldeneye, despite huge nintendo fanboyism, wasn't creative or special - it was just the only thing out there. You know, just like WoW.

You've already proven in the past that you know NOTHING about racing games, as proven by the complete verbal beatdown I've given you about EVERY Gran Turismo comment you've tried to make. You do terrible in Quake when you play, and then you blame it on your mouse. I haven't even gotten to laugh at your fight game skills, but I'm sure they'll follow the rest of your record.

I can often take games from some of the worlds best on super Turbo which is the holgrail of fighters. I got my job into the game industry from being able to do things like that and given my experience in q3/q4/d3, while not amazing ,is enough to comfortably smoke the majoirty of the FPS gaming population because Quake is holygrail of FPS and I assure you, if I had been playing as early as most of you I would be smoking you too.
Driving.

Nothing is stopping you from getting good at any game, but you'd rather get good at the ones that nobody cares about or plays so you don't have to deal with competition.

Amazing really as my first pc was not owned till 2004.

It shows.

I don't mean to be big headed but I'm an enigma.
Even when I was telling my old company changes needed to be made, I was perceived as wrong, but look what happened.
http://kotaku.com/5050970/peter-moore-on-rare...able-today I'm practically always right.

Who cares about Rare? Nobody. You harp on about the past so much, and nobody gives a shit.

I'm the special one. You might not like to admit it, or acknowledge it, but its true and in 5 years time you'll probably see emperical truth of this in terms of recognition and finances and all this while doing everything i wanted how i wanted.
And shit you can bet your ass I'm gonna be chopsy little bitch along the way just to make it even more special.

If ESR searched worked a bit better, I'd go and find a post of you saying this exact same thing years ago. This is all you ever go on about. "YOU'LL REGRET IT LATER WHEN I'M POPULAR" You're all talk.

That's why I might come across as full of myself, it s not that , its just the reality of what I am conflicts with what you think I am.

You better learn that because its gonna become more apparent over the next few years.

Now, I know your midlife crisis must be hard, but you just have to accept the fact that your life was never interesting, and it's only going to go down hill. Nobody cares what you try to make yourself out to be, so you might as well be honest about it so you don't go bald so fast. I invite you to come back to this exact post in 5 years and prove me wrong. Don't think I won't do the same - I actually admit to my insanity.

Haha, the goal posts always move with people like you.

Yes and in that time I have setup two small businesses and just received an iniative grant for a 3rd and another two projects on the back burner. All computer related. Of course.

What have you done, pissed away another year of your life playing a computer game?

Stuck in the same shitty job you don't have the talent or ability to leave?

Or just claiming food stamps and getting by leaving negative comments to feel better about your day :)

What have you done, pissed away another year of your life playing a computer game?

Stuck in the same shitty job you don't have the talent or ability to leave?

Or just claiming food stamps and getting by leaving negative comments to feel better about your day :)

I haven't played Quake in years, actually. I mostly work, play some casual stuff like L4D, tweak my various linux boxes, and spend time with my wife. Oh, were you hoping for affirmation of your condescending assumption? Sorry, I'm better than you AND I have more of a life. My car is worth more than your education.

Don't you know?

He missed out on a job in the USA because he doesn't have an education. He pissed that away playing Killer Instinct.

im sorry but lol at your male ego, it's just as depressing as jamerios posts

What was your role on Perfect Dark exactly?
There's a "Jamie Williams" as a tester on the Goldeneye credits, so I guess it's pretty obvious what your role was on that game and on the Perfect Dark one "Jamie Williams" is a "Manic Welsh Designer".

I'm of course assuming Jamie "evo" Williams is you. Interestingly you're listed as being credited on X-Blades (A Russian game) and Habitat (You'd have been 8?).

You suck at Quake and your knowledge on DM games is terrible. Goldeneye and Perfect Dark were light years behind any FPS game on the PC, but I guess you wouldn't know that since you didn't own a PC until 2004.

My knowledge on dm games is terrible.

God I'm done arguing with sociopaths like you.

You wouldn't have the first clue how to make a game.
If someone gave you blank piece of paper and a top of the range 3D program you would produce nothing.

At the end of the day mate I doubt you've done anything with your professional life and even less with your gaming life.
Stick to talking shit on a forum because that's all you'll ever do.

You're just another flake on the internet.

I don't want to get involved with all you brilliant people here, but what else have you done besides working on GoldenEye (over 10 years old)?
Because if you don't provide any solid information about your current work than you're just another shit talking flake on the internet yourself.

I tested GoldenEye. I worked as Designer on the Sequel and Game Cube 360 version. But letft becaue the company had lost its direction.

I also worked on a new Turok game for acclaim, which got cancelled becaue they went under, got offered senior design role on Crysis, turned it down for a job offer in the US. Bearing in mind you had to do tests/design submissions.
Was unable to get a visa so setup my own 3D graphics outfit which does architectural visualisation and more.

I'm not saying I'm Miyamoto, but what I am saying I have certainly done a crapload more with my interest in gaming that others, and certainly more than those talking shit, who have little or sweet FA to backup their claims.

My overall ability in them from an artistic, to gameplay, to actual expereince is way above average, so when I get a bunch of fkakes on a forum talking shit who have done little or nothing with them then of course I'm happy to act the smug git and pull rank.

If you asked those losers to detail their CV you would see an awful lot gaps and little or nothing to show what they have done with their time apart from bumming it away on games.

They know that and I know that and that puts them on the spot.

"got offered senior design role on Crysis, turned it down "

chuckle

"Was unable to get a visa so setup my own 3D graphics outfit which does architectural visualisation and more."

what?

Yeah I do Architectural Visualisation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhB-3G5uA0k&am...annel_page

Stuff like that, god sake guys some of you people need to get a life. You're creepy. Vedic especially, the fact that you claim to be married is especailly worrying.

Jealousy will get you nowhere and you just need to accept that not everyone pissed away their life playing videogames,
That's the first emotion you need to conquer asits at the root of everything else.

Some of us actually went onto to work with them and then stop working on them. I have always been interested in 3D graphics way more than games.

Hence why I do research into particles and what not as I'm always loking to see how i can apply them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQxqzz0Zt0w&am...annel_page

You think just because I have a laugh and talk shit on a game forum to unwind I should be the same as you?
Should I keep my past quiet to make you feel better about your wasted efforts?

I said I worked on GoldenEye I did, Analyzing that to the point where I then somehow tried to imply that i designed the bloody thing is laughable, especially as I have stated in the past threads on this site that I tested it. Go fetch, and you will see I am yet again right. And that the problem lies with you.
Its called the green eyed monster.

Tht fact that i mentioned Rare is because its the only developer I worked any time for, so I'm not hanging onto the past at all, my game career started there and was the last place where I relesed a game. So all my expereinces revert back to there.

I keep lying about this and that?
WTF?

My name is in the credits?
I have videos on youtube. I even have journals on ESR from several years ago talking about my visa process to the states.

Always happy to entertain.

Jamerio

Should I keep my past quiet to make you feel better about your wasted efforts?

No, we specifically asked the opposite, but you have yet to provide any proof to your claims. Not surprised.

I said I worked on GoldenEye I did, Analyzing that to the point where I then somehow tried to imply that i designed the bloody thing is laughable, especially as I have stated in the past threads on this site that I tested it. Go fetch, and you will see I am yet again right. And that the problem lies with you.

You specifically attempted to misrepresent your position by saying "worked on" instead of saying "tested" because you knew that "tested" would make you look like a retard.

My name is in the credits?

I don't even know why you'd chose to lie about being in Rare. Couldn't you come up with a better company? It's like trying to take credit for Daikatana. I can gather that you're of the Nintendo fanboy mentality, and subscribe to Nintendo's gimmicky ideas of gameplay, but you could have at least picked a better company to try to defend your image on the subjects that you want to argue about.

That, or... you know.. actually going and doing something. Fantastic as it may seem, it's still possible before you die old and lonely.

I even have journals on ESR from several years ago talking about my visa process to the states.

Why are you not trying to hide the fact that you ignored a job offer in favor of one where you didn't secure a work visa ahead of time, and the company that supposedly wanted you didn't secure one for you? If anything, you'd want to hide the fact that you made such a teenage mistake, but you flaunt it with visa excuses that don't add up. Your choice in games to train at does match up with your defeatist mentality, however.

was implying anything more than testing? yet you specifically tried to claim a fucking bafta many times, although i'm not sure if that was for goldeneye specifically

although you'll now go for your classic 'was trolling all along' card!11

so let me get this straight. you spent the last 10 years of your life betatesting goldeneye and fiddling with some 3d stuff that you implemented nowhere.

wow, now that's effort well spent.

I'm not saying I'm Miyamoto, but what I am saying I have certainly done a crapload more with my interest in gaming that others, and certainly more than those talking shit, who have little or sweet FA to backup their claims.

You said you'd back up your claims, but you haven't backed up a single one. Instead, you've retracted "worked on goldeneye" to "tested goldeneye" when you get called out on it. You give me your name and I'll call up some of these companies asking for reference information to see if ANY of your claims can be backed up.

There's a strong smell of BS surrounding your claims so far.

Well, see, I specifically said "besides GoldenEye" and this was your first sentence.

I tested GoldenEye

It just feels that you're holding on to your accomplishments from the past because you don't have much to show from the present.

But letft becaue the company had lost its direction.

This feels a bit strange too. You would never say you got fired for incompetence. It looks like you're trying to come off as a person of integrity.

And I don't know what "3D graphics outfit which does architectural visualisation and more." means.

My knowledge on dm games is terrible.

Don't forget racing games.

You wouldn't have the first clue how to make a game.
If someone gave you blank piece of paper and a top of the range 3D program you would produce nothing.

and I always thought the main part of a game is the code...
But no, it must be 3D graphics!
did you work on spore or something?

How would I have done anything with my professional life when I'm at fucking university? I'm almost 10 years younger than you for christs sake. (That said, I impressed some very successful professionals in my probable career path when I did some summer work for them and they wanted to pay me to do more work for them)

I don't really spend much time playing games so it's no surprise that I've essentially done nothing through games. I have different interests entirely really. I've never considered making a game and I don't want to make one, even so I expect I would produce more than nothing given people with the required skills to command (Since I can't code/model/animate/texture or anything else).

I actually believe that you did work for Rare, I just don't see how that makes you qualified to discuss game design since it didn't add anything new to the FPS genre and you haven't done anything since.

the impression i get from jamerio's claims to fame are equal to those of a tea boy or an extra trying to take credit for something like citizen kane or raging bull

well, more shit films in this case.

so, it was testing golden eye and helping design perfect dark that earned him six figures as a 19 year old?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jealousy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Envy

Both PD and GE won Baftas. So that is why you got confused.
And you get confused an awful lot :)
My contribututions on PD 64 were not fundamental, but neither are most peoples. It's a team effort.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jealousy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Envy

What is there to be jealous or envious about?

Money?Awards?Free Trips to LA?People flying you to the USA/Madrid for interviews?Fulfilling your ambitions? Working around smart people?Doing what you want in life.
Arriving at LAX and having a black lincoln and driver with your name in the window waiting for you?
Driving along pacific coast highway in a convertible playing tupac? Supplying Tequilla in Malibu and Santa Monica?
Playing golf in Malibu?Driving in Topanga canyon?
Having game fans coming upto you at E3? That feeling that you're working on an antici[ated game.Getting rave reviews?
Meeting some industry legends?Having enough money to buy a house (man do i regret not buying a house!) by early 20's or a really nice sports car or any gadget you want and not having to worry about bills.

Basically all of the stuff a normal job does not provide you with.

I could go on.

The problem is, most people are cool when you tell them what you do or used to do, the problem with ESR is it has cyber bums, borderline gaming addicts with a whole host of issues, so when they see something good and positive they feel a need to try and step on it or be negative about it because it makes their life/career/achievements look incredibly futile in comparison.

And when you point that out to such people (only after they're a dick about it first) they get incredibly defensive and and angry about it and try with all their might to pick at it.

That is why suicidal people feel better about themselves in times of economic gloom, they feel better about their own unhappiness if they know theat others are in the same boat.

Enjoy your pasta bake and your student overdraft:)
Perhaps you'll be less conflicted when life starts dealing you a better hand.

Congratulations on having earnt money, I can honestly say as an expert on the history of people making money that you are the first person to have ever earnt money. I'm also an expert on recreational activities and you are also the first person to ever drive a sports car in America and play golf.

You must have felt so out of place working around all those smart people when you can barely string together a coherent sentence. That overly inflated, needy ego of yours must be such a burden when you're out walking your dog to McDonalds past a Gypsie camp before running to the bushes to do a shit.

The problem is you I'm afraid.

noo but he drives a sports.. no wait. :D:D:D:D:D:D

honestly he has to be the most delusinal underachieving persona I met in a long time.

on the Perfect Dark one "Jamie Williams" is a "Manic Welsh Designer".

err, well given I said I was working as a game designer, perhaps game designer would be an obvious choice?

I'm of course assuming Jamie "evo" Williams is you. Interestingly you're listed as being credited on X-Blades (A Russian game) and Habitat (You'd have been 8?).

Its only after I posted the mobygames profile was the profile contaminated. Probably by one of you victims of gaming on ESRREALITY.

Go and see for yourself. Strange huh.
http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/http://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,61249/

You suck at Quake and your knowledge on DM games is terrible.

I was taking dutch national quake 3 players into overtime with hardly any pc game time. PROVEN WITH DEMO.

http://www.esreality.com/index.php?a=post&id=920880

I have beaten world class duel players in FFA Time. Proven with a .swf file.
http://www.esreality.com/files/misc/2011/8032...legend.swf

Having worked on a bafta winning game, I would say my knowledge is greater than yours.

Goldeneye and Perfect Dark were light years behind any FPS game on the PC, but I guess you wouldn't know that since you didn't own a PC until 2004.

No they were not, that simply goes to prove how little you know (http://www.gamerankings.com/n64/198275-perfect-dark/index.html), and just becuae I did not own my own PC until 2004, it does not mean I did not have access to one at work, which I did as I was using the Duke Nukem Editor in the 90's.

Better late than never.

God I'm done arguing with sociopaths like you.

Someone referred me to this thread I felt like updating it with the new stuff about someone editing the mobygame entry which you used as a point of inconsistency.

I'm not arguing. I'm telling :)

When did you first post the MobyGames link though?

I don't have the exact date, but the mobygames log was changed after i posted it here..

http://web.archive.org/web/20060306171505/htt...rId,61249/

That's from 2006 and its right for me.

In 2008, someone had added a game from 1987! (21 years after its release)

http://web.archive.org/web/20080229045005/htt...rId,61249/

You will also see in 2008, another game was added from 1998.
10 years later, which was not there before.

And then within a year later someone is using it as a means for me lying.

I smell a rat :)

Certainly smells like a rat...

http://www.mobygames.com/revisions/at,12/oid,1069/

Not only did you try to edit the page (and you were rejected), but it was you who submitted the bio to the site to begin with.

Alternately there could just be multiple people out there called James Williams, it's not exactly a unique name, who worked on these other projects. Or it is indeed all the same person and you're absolutely insane.

but its true and in 5 years time you'll probably see emperical truth of this in terms of recognition and finances and all this while doing everything i wanted how i wanted.

Tick tock...

Now, you'll labelled as the crazy joke I know you are. Its in the post.

More than half way to your claimed date, and nothing to show for it yet. Better get cracking!

I guess he is in 1% knowing that about 5% of world population owns a computer. well done jamerio!

"There are a ton of new directons and concepts they could go on in and not be a gimmick."

So why do you immediately resort to a pure gimmick that's been suggested a million times already?

"Blasting chunks in out of certain walls to create dynamic cover points, or smashing a pipe filled with water then the water changing the movement speed in key areas."

"when all you seemingly have to show for your vision and expertise is a slower version of "Excessive""

Your weak attempts at insults like this just illustrate your lack of gameplay understanding. I can't remember seeing anything insightful from you on this site about gameplay, let's see examples of your game design as mine is very visible in CPMA and CPM design and will soon be much more so in PMX where we move from refining id ideas into adding new ideas in addition to refinement. I didn't insult your work but you seem to want to follow this route, perhaps because you know you can't win with ideas. I'm sure this will be a fun e-peen pissing contest over the words new and refinement.

hmmm, maybe we could have a switch that opens a trapdoor over lava.
I bet that has never been done before.

I can't remember seeing anything insightful from you on this site about gameplay

Yep, those "ideas" aren't new at all.

BG damage is a potential revolution and nobody has done it right.

All you've seen is scripted, or very constrianed uses of it.
So that's why you're calling it a gimmick, because your basis of comparison is other developers bad execution of it.

I have a spent a long time researching it around people who also did the same. So I have a clear idea of its rules and how it could add some spice to a game.

um, exactly WHAT have you done in the gaming industry again? beta test goldeneye?

I've thought about it myself, I'm not basing my view only on what I've seen. What are your ideas? If it's not very constrained (to the point where you question doing it at all) it will tend to destroy depth and end up as a boring process of destroying the same old optimal blocks at the beginning of every game before getting down to more normal fighting.

Its ultimately constrained because you have to have a certain depth to stop things getting silly, but there is no reason why you could not chomp out sections to add more random elements to the gameplay while retaining the overall design otherwise your level design gets broke.

Current levels are carved out and they never change, so key battle areas are almost revised. Players could to a certain degree create their own inner-levels while they play, instead of as it is now where their boundaries remain the same, which in turn reflect the tactics they use and even the weapons they select.

IF proper BG damage was implemented, it would mean teams wouldhave way more control on how they could attack and defend key areas and of course the scope for this would vary depending on the game.

But for a fast paced q3 type game, the middle room on dm6 for example, a player could blast a section into the wall and create more of an overhang, or the GL ledge on ZTn could be chipped away to the point where the player on top is more exposed if the level of rock is chiiped down to a metal grate.

Its all about basing level designs inside existing level designs.
Nobody has done that that, they've just allow you break things which is why it sucks,

How do you regulate the time investment to destroy things? Do walls respawn? I see it ending up as the same pieces being destroyed quickly every time and the rest generally ignored. Technically it'd seem like a nightmare as you could not use bsp or at least your PVS would be huge in the expectation of everything being broken. Perhaps a very complicated dynamic version of UE3's vis portals.

You could use a randomizer for each to select which from a range pre-selected parts can be destroyed and which can't. So you wouldn't the same scenario over again.
And / or you could add a timer for structures so they will always stay intact for a certain amount of time.
When thinking of timers another idea comes up: Something like a shifting labyrinth that randomly closes / opens some pathways. That one should also be considerably easier to implement, shouldn't it?

Now, I'm not saying that this would make the gameplay better, especially for duel.
However, I am certain that there are ways to make maps change during one match without ruining them, if someone should wish to do so.


So how about that blank piece of paper :P

your ideas suck. "this wall will be destructable in t-5 4 3 2 .." gtfo

a little creativity, please.

a. only an idiot would use a timer that is noticable to the players.
b. therefore it would feel like the map is slowly degrading, as opposed instantly
c. people would not start shooting at the spots right when the match begins but it would sort of happen.



you used plural, but only found one argument?

your IDEAS SUCK. but you win the anal award of the year with a landslide.

so let's hear you ideas for achieving a variable map layout? :)


btw, while brainstorming guys who go "your ideas suck" without any arguments usually get thrown out for inability.

better anal than stupid, you know ;)

you know, you're just like those movie directors whos movies suck but their argument always is: what is your idea for a movie? why don't you make a better one? I don't do movies, but I can tell you YOUR MOVIE SUCKS ASS. now apply.

not it's not just like that.

a movie is a finished product.
I on the other just wrote down some basic ideas without putting any work in them.

So basically you would go to a writer who tells you his very basic idea for a movie plot, then you tell him it sucks without offering any comment as to why and how to improve it.

Therefore your comment is completely useless and noone would seriously ask for your opinion again.

after your wall-timer idea, no further elaborations are necessary.

well, there would be if some sort of benefit were to be achieved.

But as I said before, who would want elaborations from a nay sayer?

no.

one!

see below for how it's done, he almost completely disagrees but it's actually a worthwhile reply.

I dislike the idea of the map randomly changing.

Set periodical changes or changes that the user can control using buttons or potentially damage to architecture could be interesting (especially in CTF/TDM, less so in Duel).

Damage to architecture would have to avoid things like mindlessly damaging walls/floors/ceilings as I imagine that would get boring pretty quick and result in the same bits being destroyed all the time anyway. I'd rather see being able to "destroy" a bridge temporarily or block a path which reset after X seconds (Think like a draw bridge going up/down).

That's not too different from what we've already got though but I'd be more than happy to see more interaction like that in CTF/TDM.

As for the random layout changes, I should add that I was thinking about maybe one change every three minutes or something. Nothing continuous.

So you actually have time to adapt etc. One goal for duel could be that players have to deviate from their set pattern of item-running. Still uncertain about the complete impact though.

About destroying architecture, that what I was trying to address with having both only random part being damagable and also adding a timer. That way firing voluntarily firing at a wall to destroy it early wouldnt work well.
I do like the automatic reset idea instead of having someone devote time to repair the damage.


Imo, the worst part about all these things is that it would become very difficult for mappers to create well-balanced maps.

no. just.. no.

It's only the random side of things I don't like. Provided you know it's coming and how it's going to change then it's fine.

So I guess you could have the "events" be randomly decided at the start and then use visual clues in the map to indicate what will change, when and in what order.

It would provide the sort of changes you get throughout a RTCW/ET game but in the DM environment I guess.

or you could for example have quad being able to tear down walls and bridges in ctf. walls would automatically repair over time after being damaged. sounds better than automatically degrading (what muppet thought of that idea?)

than automatically degrading (what muppet thought of that idea?)

seems like you did ;/

what?

well, you are the first one to write automatically degrading so it's kind of obvious that you thought of it first.
muppet.

"And / or you could add a timer for structures so they will always stay intact for a certain amount of time."

MUP
PET

your reading skills are sub par.

How do you regulate the time investment to destroy things?

Well a lot of the time, things like machine gun fire would only strip partial parts of the wall. The main weapons for changing the layout would be like a rockets/nades, they would take reasonable chunks out of the wall.
A LG type weapon could be used to rapidly, but gradually strip down a wall. Similar to a brush in photoshop.
Its not designed to people can burrow anywhere, you still need to constrain it, but the idea is you provide someone with a level design and instead of giving 0% potential for altering its laoyout you givem them upto 25% potetnial, that way they can be creative and add more scope and repaly value and not break design.

Do walls respawn?

Walls don't respawn, that would be crude and look odd.
You could do it, but I would only do if the wall in question was organic. Perhaps some alien planet, but for most games that still revolve conventional materials/textures, they command a level of expectation from the gamer on how thye behave.
So unless you go all sc-fi (or built the excuse into the plot), you have a lot of explaining to do for breaking the continuity.

I see it ending up as the same pieces being destroyed quickly every time and the rest generally ignored.

but it would still empower the player to find this out. The current methods are static. You physically can't snipe/rail past a certain point and while that can be a good thing, it actually allows players to revise maps very quickly as there is only a pre-defined representation of the geometry. You should aim to break that a bit byallowing some scope to change layout/positioning. That would be interesting as players evolve and find new stuff out . And there is notthing stopping you from being unpredictable.

Technically it'd seem like a nightmare as you could not use bsp or at least your PVS would be huge in the expectation of everything being broken. Perhaps a very complicated dynamic version of UE3's vis portals.

yeah its not nice from an art/code/design POV that is why no one has really done it. I would say you need to think towards more modern forms of surface representation. Something like voxels would be better suited, something more organic is needed to do it right and you would not really need to worry about stuff then. Worms did it in large chunks and the mechanics of the game alowed them to get away with it. A much more subtle approach is needed for 9/10 games.

The way it has been done in the past is crude and kinda linear, but I still say a proper system where you can define damage depths so that you can keep control is a big step.
As tools like mudbox start to get used more you should see this happen.

I never liked the editors with quake/UT etc.
I think when you start seeing levels made purely from proper 3d packages like mudbox.max/maya you'll state to see a proper version. By then you should fluids to, so you can blast a hole in a pipe and water flowing down to the next level to change speeds, players creating tributaties with the BG damage in influece stuff like that.

These static levels just bore me. Its like things are stuck in a rutt.
When levels become more interesting i'll probably get back into games. But at the moment these static lumps of unchangable geometry just bore more because the mechanics they put over they are from the last century and almost every texture set known to man has been done. The next step is geometry and that will be damage and fluids. I'm sure of it.

The industry has focused on other stuff because the processing power was never really there, but now is about the right time.
4-6 years time you should see someone do it right and they'll make everything else look like crap. Like what bump mappping did for textures which was only a cheap version of representing more triangles/geometry.

Interactions with water pipes/barriers or similar things to change the environment would be fun and interesting in a multiplayer context provided they could be changed back to how they were after so long either via more interaction or just a reversal.

Without the possibility of reverting it I think it would just become annoying and frustrating or ultimately pointless as you would probably just see the state change occur at the start in which case you may as well have not bothered putting it in there.

Of course you could do it Sonic flooding style where it gradually gets worse and worse as the map goes on, it would need a significant amount of planning and testing to make the map work but it could be awesome if it did.

E-peening nonsense aside I'll credit you that this is viable and reasonably well thought out. I do though stick to my original point and this fits in to it- this is a refinement, it is exploring new ground but it's going to be, from the ways you've described it a sensible and subtle interaction rather than a large scale attempt to change the mechanisms of the game. It's how games should be progressing and is what I originally meant. There are some examples of this kind of gameplay coming through now that there are the level technologies to support it.

I'd disagree with it being one way for the most part, it might be interesting to have a lot of permanent damage that's one way when it's somewhat incidental, such as destruction of a concrete that changes a shot angle a little before hitting inner reinforced steel beams that limit the extent of the destruction. When you're making changes to routes such as destroying walkways, imagine to q3dm6 RG, it'll be very hard to prevent the change happening and the damage will fairly reliably be done by which ever player that choice favours. Balancing the time investment required will be very difficult. Flooding is where I question it being one way, ideally you would want it to drain slowly too as the deepest interaction would be to decide in advance (30 seconds or 1 minute) that you want a given location to be difficult when the next combat occurs, then the flood drains away over30 seconds so the choice is still available later in the game.

Well, a few years on the xbox they had this game called Blix, or something where the content could be rewound.
A few games have done something similar, but I like the idea of background damage being stored, so aswell as two players running around an environment nothing but guns, they can infleunce the environment to their style of play.

I personalyl hate hit scan weapons, I have no patience to to play that style of play, so something like background damage could be used to do that. I could shoot down a pillar which would crash down and provide more cover.

If my opponent was rail hevy then he might say hang on, this guy guy is inluencing the design to suit his style, I better position myself to desotry this.

So the game could or would be more tactical.
If all you want is quake type game which is fastpaced then this is not so fun, but I'm convinced that's old.

If the background damage was stored and powerups were placed on the levels to some some reverse/fst forward damage that was done you would fins some really interesting situations where players wouldn ot JUST go after the opponet, they could setup traps (on a much more advanced level than flicking a switch in to lava).

My views on BG here are from 8 years ago, they've not changed because no one has bothered to do it.

The problem is team sizes are now so big no one wants to take risks and the more complex the game the hader it to get eneryone on the same vision.

Yeah maybe everything is an evolution to some degree, but to me BG is something that would be one of those things that are worth tackling.

Using fluids and background damage are probbly the two most dynamic things you can do to a level. I could easily see some insane stuff happening.

You could also limit, so at the start of a game would could select a % that determines damage/fluid potential.

So your great fresh idea for revolutionizing the genre is to steal a couple of features from the 1994 title worms?

and there even is a 3D version

Do you know anything about games?

Worms is a 2D sprite based game, your comparison is idiotic on so many levels. Think 12 yr children in the school yard.

While a slightly less idiotic opinion did acknowledge the addition of worms 3D, the gameplay and level designs of worms 3D is a game that can get away with it because the entirity of the game is built upon destruction. With the brief addition of positioning and it sucked compared to the 2D varient which was great.

A much more subtle approach would be needed to scale across different genres and maintain the art.
Implemetning something is easy, implementing it correctly is the tricky thing.

There is a reason why BG damage is not being implemented in most games, its a bloody difficult to get it right from a design/code/artistic point of view, but with your worms 1994 comparison I sense you're already lost.

http://www.dictionary.co.uk/word/muppet

Lets see if Worms has what you suggested.

Destructable environment
- Check

Background damage
- Check (radioactivity or napalm)

Rising water levels
- Check

I have a feeling that your next innovative suggestion will be; wind that effects trajectory.

You still fail to realise the relationship between concept and successful implementation into a non worms type game

I already stated that worms has a very specific set of gameplay/level designs/Art which allow it to function with the background damage.

You still fail to realise that in a modern fps games it would not transfer right and do more harm than good.
Which is why you seldom see it and when you do its inconsistent.

Have ever wondered why donor patients need a compatable organ? A hearts a heart right?
That's how stupid your comparison is. Its a very specific process which is not univeral. You fail to grasp it.

The only problem is because you played sonic the hedghog you think you're a brain surgeon, when in fact you're just the janitor mopping the floor with big ideas and no idea how to make them work.

This is why I don't get into game design discussions unless they either listen or have a grasp of what they're talking about.

Lesson over for today.

You never give any suggestions yourself though, even when people are clearly willing to listen. You just drone on about how you're right and the other person is clueless.

And you only reply to be negative and misrepresentative.

I was not asked how to solve the problem.

I was idiotically told that the soluion to the innovation I would like to see had already been done in a 1994 2D sprite based game.

Which was a laughable comparison.

I took the initaive to also state that the 3D version is mostly in use because of the very specific mechanics of worms.

I gave ix a more decent answer on what is needed to address it.
Its a very subtle problem. Its like high level game design, so when some idiot says a 1994 s2d sprite based game has done it you're hardly gonna waste much breath on teaching algecra to a 4 year old child.

You've only just answered to ix and you've never done anything like that in the past.

I'm only negative to negative things thanks.

There's a reason Red Faction multiplayer maps didn't have destructable scenery.

Didn't they have a few spots that could be destroyed?
Can't remember :/

Think they had a few, but despite it being the main feature of the game they barely used it in MP and even in SP it was heavily restricted.

Yes because they were a shit developer and designed it in a very linear way.

If I built a rocket it would fly, but it would not get me to the moon.
For something like that to work it has to be done properly or it fails.

For you to conclude that it does not work because some second rate studio did a bad execution of it is poor judgement and that's a precentant for practically everything you say.

You're not qualified to discuss certain things with me, anymore than I'm qualified to discuss history with a historian.
I'm more than happy to discuss things, but don't try and mark the teachers work.

I'm more than happy to discuss things, but don't try and mark the teachers work.

You can try and discuss it, but hold off on trying to teach until you have your degree.

Who are you to say they are a second rate developer?

Golden Eye and Perfect Dark are rather bog standard FPS games that benefitted from being console based where nothing else until Halo was even worth looking at. If those games were on the PC they would have been laughed at as much as Red Faction was.

If the idea is so good why the hell hasn't anybody even attempted something similar since?

Its not crysis graphic wise, but cmon guys, this is esr, we are supposed to be one of the last "gameplay first" gamer communities, arent we?

So true:P

Looks just as good as most console titles at any rate.

yeah, but theres a limit to everything :)

id tech 4 + raven = instant fail

Looks like FEAR 1.

Leaked? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U84K55KmNJY

I'm sure the mp will be as AWESOME as sequels of other big id-franchises in the past. e.g Doom 3 or Quake 4!!! God, did I enjoy playing these games multiple hours each day for the last 5 years!!! Rock on id!!!

Don't forget these might not be from RTCW2. They could be from some other game. Only rumors hopefully, cause they are sub-par.

Well, Activision e-mailed the poster on wolfenstein-zone.com and told him to take the images off the site, so i'd assume they're legit...

i kinda like the look of it

Maybe the reason the game doesn't look 'amazing' is because they know it will be mostly a multi-player game, so they're focusing more on performance of the game, and not super amazing graphics?

=\

ORSUM

can't wait

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maybe they got a good deal on the license.

They are being contracted to make RTCW2 aren't they?

Because Q3 engine looks too old, and Tech 5 engine is probably too new (in the sense that the performance is awful, and it's still being developed)

Yeah, why that crap? id tech 4? Cmon we all heard theres a 5th! Cmon raven dont let us down, upgrade to latest whizbang version! So we can whine because of performance. I really prefer the whine about perfomance than version, more girlie talk slang available!1!1!

they are not that capable

This is id tech 4, why is anyone surprised by the state of the graphics? Secondly, why does anyone care?

Well, somebody's got to use id tech 4. Can't let it go to waste after all the time id spent on it. Right?

This game needs to be faster, smaller, more accurate than ET:QW, otherwise i'm not gonna even touch it.

There is hope for this since the screenshots keep showing closed off open areas (not mountains and airfields...)

I hope it has an MP beta since it's been a popular thing to do lately (cod4,cod5,quakelive,etqw,etc) and they showcase the gameplay and the engine as well.

graphics mean shit until they're in motion anyway

:D

looks like one of the few 'gameplay>gfx' games
not

quake 3 engine produced many fun MP games
id tech 4 engine is not having the same success in MP, it seems they focused on SP stuff.

I would say the graphics are better than average still. ET QW has some good graphics on same engine

http://splashdamage.com/screens_etqw/006_tb.jpg

Im not impressed, every time i see a ingame picture where it's high GFX, it just hurt inside me screaming, oh no now they have forgoten gameplay, and just focus on GFX.

You're alive \o/

Who gives a shit about graphics in a multiplayer game?
As soon as I start the multiplayer I'm turning all graphics down to the lowest settings

I can't believe people still have hopes for this.

Just throw it to the garbage bin before it fails and give us RtCW Live :(

tbh I never played games by id software for graphical excellence, it is the amazing feeling of solidness into the artificial 3d environment that id engines had made me feel the game has come alive....tbh i played halo1 on pc but it never felt that good., and the clever gameplay involved got my attention.

I finished RTCW in 3 continuous sittings over 4 days, it was engrossing, crysis has unbeatable graphics and trillion other amazing things which are really cool, but never felt that exhilarating, finished it over a period as long as a full month.

honestly graphics is over rated, game developers should concentrate on making a more interactive environment, not a picture postcard.

Personally, I’ve always been of the sleek and minimalist design school: make sure the core play is consistent and strong, then let that idea play out against different environments and challenges

John Carmack

That's what I liked about pre-Doom3 id games. From Wolf3D to Quake3 the core play is consistent and strong!

id and raven should license the UT3 engine.

u were saying? :P
singularity

At least one of them got it right!

.

I just explained it...

Tech 4 has terrible performance...

You're not understanding, Tech4 is the happy medium. Tech3 being too old, and doesn't look good, Tech5 being too new, requires a lot of processor and video power, and is still in development.

Tech 4 has the horrible looks of an old game with the bad performance of a new one. Where is the happy medium?

that would be me. Do you want to talk to your great-grandmother?

They're both still alive. D=

the real one.


/e

also, as long as you don't come from down south you should have four great-grandmothers ;)

haha, I forgot about my father's side. =D

So what SHOULD the game run on, an old engine that doesn't look good, or a brand new engine that requires a very high end system?

Well, since Raven are already using the UT3 engine for another project, I don't see why they don't use it here. id's technology (especially for this generation) is just bad.

You come on here arguing with people, pushing your opinion more and more on people, and you go say something like how this game should be on the UT3 engine.

You ever wonder why people don't take you seriously?

I don't push my opinion, I offer it. The UT3 engine is not only better for performance, it scales much better. There's a reason it's been licensed a shit ton since it came out, and why tech4 hasn't.

If you're not even willing to educate yourself to the point where my opinion can impact you, that's your own fault.

you took dat shit to another level grats

welcome to warp zone

Why not use Source engine?

Source isn't a bad idea, but they already licensed the U3 engine, so they'd be able to put the knowledge to better use. Though, Source, while not bad on performance, still lacks at the higher end where U3 keeps going. With the majority of gamers sporting a Geforce 8000 series or better, it doesn't make sense to go for a more light engine when you can get the best of both worlds using one that will also get you the graphics whores.

UT3 engine would be an even worse idea.

They should use the source engine!

I don't think Threewave is doing the MP anymore...

wtb Nerve pst.

endrant is doing MP now

You're right.

Thanks to both of you.

Threewave made all of the MP maps.

Thank you for the clarification.

don't know if tech4 and raven is a good combo .. :P q4 any1?

Maybe ID will fix it like they did when they patched Quake 4. (assuming Raven doesn't get it right to begin with).
BTW, Q4 performance is great as long as you don't have some boos'ish computer. People complaining about performance using a computer that's literally twice as old or more than the game they're trying to play are retarded.

i think Jamerio got owned once again.
this thread delivers.

Jamerio posts make me feel ill.

well the graphics look fine to me. i not really interested in the sp that much.

3wave is doing the multiplayer, that has to be a good thing right?

Not anymore, endrant is doing the multiplayer, the fuck knows who they are... :S

i saw a screenshot of RTCW2 with ironsights :

http://images.totalgamingnetwork.com/images/w...-sight.jpg

this is definitely going to make the game retarded and slow, Call of Wolfenstein :/

afaik endrant is mostly ex-splashdamage staff

#wolfenstein on irc.gamesurge.net

New News:

http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/45586/New-W...-TV-Friday

And some new screens:

http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/45601/Wolfenstein-Screenshots

Worms is a 2D sprite based game.
How the hell is that a suitable basis of comparison for a modern 3D shooter?

Clueless.

Even the guy tried to save you below by metiniong the 3D version, sadly, while failing to recognise that the gameplay and level design of a game like worms is unique to worms.

Its not a scalable solution that would work in an FPS or most other forms of games other than selective structures which is not the sort of level of implementation I am referring to.

You need a much more subtle solution. Do you think developers are not including background damage for the hell of it?

They're not doing it because its so bloody difficult to achieve properly.

Jamerio

Well spill the beans about your amazing implementation. Also learn to use reply, you'd think after over 9,000 posts you'd be able to.

what 9000?!

there's no way that can be right!

It isn't because it's Jamerio's third account. He's probably close to 20k now.

fail

ok fatty

They're not doing it because its so bloody difficult to achieve properly.

Because it's not an ideal feature for that type of game. The fact it's so difficult to achieve should tell you something about how good a feature it would be.

MP_BASE PLEASE FFS

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/46994.html

trailer is now up!!

how did i miss out on all the awesome coments in this thread??

It may have been the wolfenstein thingie scaring you away.

oh my

better than daikatana