What mouse do you use?

wmo with teflon tape

How do you grip the mouse?

claw type

What factors are important to you when choosing your mouse?

optical (not laser)
non-bulky shape (think wmo, imo 1.1, logitech g9, or smaller sized ie3.0)
surface (see imo 1.1se)

Do you prefer a low or high dpi mouse? And why?

400-1600 is good. any more is overkill.

Do you prefer a laser or optical sensor? Why?

optical because is doesn't skip.

Do you prefer a mouse with or without custom driver software?

without

What price would you pay for the "right" mouse?

35 usd

And for fun, what is the worst designed mouse in your opinion.

razer diamondback
-claimed to be a fingertip mouse but you had no fucking where to put your fingertips because razer had stupid indents on the sides. gay siderails.
-liftoff distance of about 2cm.
-sprayed rubber material on buttons that would rub off. wtf
-bugs + fucked up drivers

wtf, im using a diamondback since ~3,5 years never had any bugs or problem with drivers (although i dont use the driver anymore), the lifttof distance is about 2-3 mm
razer diamondback

-sprayed rubber material on buttons that would rub off. wtf

same here, but it started to rub off after about 2 years and its still perfectly useable
quality is really fine imho, fell down so many times and still works, the cord is still flexible, ...

regarding a wmo with switchable dpi, I don't know, perhaps I would be willing to pay a higher price for that in the future.

can you explain to me why anyone would need to switch the dpi? i really dont get it but alot of mice have this feature

800dpi for win/ 9999dpi in quake and no need to change the win sens and get in all sorts of trouble :)

- using a MS IE 3.0
- grip is pretty much fingers and heel of the hand resting on the mouse, with most of my underarm as well as handwrist moving sideways for movement; I definitely need my thumb buttons, and in particular the one closer to the back of the mouse
- good feel in hand, good specs (as in mousescore, not omgz high dpi), good quality buttons and manufacturing, thumb buttons and possibly even more, cheap price
- not looked much into dpi, had 400 and 800dpi and both seemed perfectly fine seeing as I play mid/high sens
- no experience with lasers, apparently they suck tho :<
- it should get all the basics done without custom drivers, but there's always room for improvements (scripts and whatnot), so yes as long as it is not necessary for good basic performance (e.g. runs fine on linux without additional drivers, or comes with linux drivers)
- a price of 30-50 euros seems acceptable

I currently use the WMO (And have done for several years). I grip the mouse using my fingers:

Thumb on the left hand side
Index/Middle Finger on the buttons
Ring finger on the right hand side "ridge" (at the top)
Little finger off the mouse in the air

1) Weight and Size. I like the mouse to be fairly small and weigh as little as possible, in theory I could be using the mouse all day and I don't want it to put any strain at all on my hand/wrist/arm.
2) Hardware quality/reliability. If it skips or fails at tracking past a reasonable threshold I'm not interested.
3) Doesn't require Drivers and doesn't have any software adjustments on input
4) I also quite like thin/material wires (Thin = DB wire Material = G5 wire)

DPI and Optical/Lazer/Infrared doesn't really matter to me, if it performs above a level that I realistically can't push it to then it's good enough.

For the "perfect" mouse I guess I might be convinced to pay up to £30 (But it'd have to be perfect) considering what I want isn't a lot!

Worst mouse I've used is the G5, followed by mx5** series (Good sensor, bad shape, heavy).

What mouse do you use?
wmo 1.1a

How do you grip the mouse?
points of my fingers, heel of hand (below pinky) on back of mouse

What factors are important to you when choosing your mouse?
Price, Hz, Reliability, not needing drivers, liftoff behaviour

Do you prefer a low or high dpi mouse? And why?
no real preference, higher dpi adds price without really adding function, no more than 800dpi

Do you prefer a laser or optical sensor? Why?
Laser mice seem to be overpriced and not as reliable, without really offering any improvements over optical

Do you prefer a mouse with or without custom driver software?
WITHOUT

What price would you pay for the "right" mouse?
I guess I would go up to R400 (31.51985 Euros)

the shape everyone seemed to love back in the day was the logitech wingman gaming mouse (wgm). with the end of ball mouse production this shape sadly enough vanished and only recently logitech made somewhat of an effort to use it again with their g9. don't get me wrong i like the wmo shape aswell but in my opinion the wgm presents more of a shape designed to use in fps games.

What mouse do you use?
razer salmosa

How do you grip the mouse?
"claw" style

What factors are important to you when choosing your mouse?
shape (small)
weight (should be under 100g)
"built-in-high-usb-hz"
low liftoff distance (almost no optical mouse gets this right ever)

Do you prefer a low or high dpi mouse? And why?
i don't care.

Do you prefer a laser or optical sensor? Why?
i don't care. i never had a problem with either one but expect immense whine if you choose laser.

Do you prefer a mouse with or without custom driver software?
i dislike driver software but it's probably useful for single player games(?).

What price would you pay for the "right" mouse?
under 50 euro.

And for fun, what is the worst designed mouse in your opinion.
the one that breaks first (razer boomslang in my case).

How do you grip the mouse?

Claw style. Two fingers at the top, two on the side, thumb on the side. The back of the mouse is against the back of my palm. The tips of my fingers hold the mouse, the rest of the fingers don't.

What factors are important to you when choosing your mouse?

The sensor, grip, and shape. Laser is shit, optical is awesome. The grip needs to be good, I find the G3 grip is amazing, but the Deathadder grip to be awful. Rough vs Smooth, I want rough.

Do you prefer a low or high dpi mouse? And why?

Doesn't really matter. I use 400DPI because I don't need anything more, I use a low sensitivity. I think having a mouse that you can switch between 400/800/1600 would satisfy 99% of gamers.

Do you prefer a laser or optical sensor? Why?

Optical. Laser is flawed in the sense that it can take a little spec of something, like a hair, to mess up the reading and cause it to spaz out. There is no real advantage to laser unless you're using some ridiculously high sensitivity. Optical can read faster (m/s) and is just as accurate. And, the red light is pretty sweet.

Do you prefer a mouse with or without custom driver software?

I'd vote with software. Just to change the DPI though, and maybe binds. No need to change the sensitivity in the software, it can be done in Windows, and in-game. It will just cause more frustration in the end.

What price would you pay for the "right" mouse?

$20-$60 CDN. Maybe 80 if it's THAT 'perfect'. But, a $50 price tag should be a good price for a mouse.

And for fun, what is the worst designed mouse in your opinion.

Probably one of those ridiculous microsoft mice that you hold with your hand laying on it's side, like you're going to slap it, some 'ergonomic' crap. Do people really have those problems when holding a mouse? I mean, it's just a mouse. Maybe I'm naive.

What mouse do you use?

Microsoft Wheel Mouse Optical 1.1a

How do you grip the mouse?

Index and middle finger on mouse1, next finger mouse2, thumb and little finger for support either side

What factors are important to you when choosing your mouse?

weight, shape, tracking

Do you prefer a low or high dpi mouse? And why?

low dpi, because i dont currently need more than 800*600, however, in the future i may consider 800 dpi if there is a [edit] need for higher resolutions [/edit]

Do you prefer a laser or optical sensor? Why?

optical, because laser doesn't work due to it's skipping problems/low malfunction speed

Do you prefer a mouse with or without custom driver software?

don't care, i won't use them

What price would you pay for the "right" mouse?

i already have it, and its £10. However, regarding a wmo with switchable dpi, I don't know, perhaps I would be willing to pay a higher price for that in the future.

And for fun, what is the worst designed mouse in your opinion.

I'm not sure, but the worst mice I've used are the Logitech MX1000, Logitech G5, Microsoft Basic Optical Mouse and I guess anything that has a laser or really bad optical sensor.

What mouse do you use?
logitech mx310

How do you grip the mouse?
index on LMB, middle finger on RMB, thumb almost horizontal grip

What factors are important to you when choosing your mouse?
Shape, sensor(must not skip)

Do you prefer a low or high dpi mouse? And why?
Medium, 800 is enough for my use

Do you prefer a laser or optical sensor? Why?
Optical, apparently more accurate and reliable

Do you prefer a mouse with or without custom driver software?
Dont care either way

What price would you pay for the "right" mouse?
10-35EU

And for fun, what is the worst designed mouse in your opinion.
Most of the earlier razer mice, it was designed for alien hands

i really mis my mx310 :'( probably the nicest mouse i ever used

1) Logitech G1 (same shape as mx300, mx310, G3, RX250). Best shape ever was the Logitech Wingman Gaming mouse.
2) I aim with the fingers/wrist, meaning i try to keep the wrist fixed. With the IE.3 mouse, i had to aim with the fingers/whole arm and could only use the wrist very little because of the size of it. I consider my hands to be of normal size, they aren't carpenter hands, and i definately don't have small hands either.
3) Negative/positive accel, stable drivers and software, not too many buttons, DPI, HZ, the size of it is the most important factor though, i have had about 10 different mice since 1992 and the best were the smallest ones.
4) Somewhat high DPI because i can feel a difference when i use an old 400 dpi mouse. So the thought goes >= 800 is good. I use 800 now and i am perfectly pleased.
5) Don't care, as long as it is stable and there are no problems when you lift the mouse.
6) With, since the basic WINXP mouse settings are too poor. I always assign the scrollbutton to do a doubleclick, so i have to use Setpoint.
7) Depends on the competition.
8) Logitech MX510/500.

hey james :)

good luck with this project! i'm a bit of a mouse freak.. feel free to PM if you have any other questions

What mouse do you use?
Razer Deathadder at the moment

How do you grip the mouse?
Fingertips and slightly touching the back side with my palm

What factors are important to you when choosing your mouse?
1. grip/shape
2. skipping

Do you prefer a low or high dpi mouse? And why?
Doesnt really bother me. Anything above like 500 i guess? I cant say i notice any difference.

Do you prefer a laser or optical sensor? Why?
As long as it has same liftup distance and tracks good i dont care what the tech is behind it =)

Do you prefer a mouse with or without custom driver software?
Doesnt really matter, ok is good for a dpi-changable mouse i guess.

What price would you pay for the "right" mouse?
Depending on what the dollar is like atm... but i'd say like $50-60

And for fun, what is the worst designed mouse in your opinion.
mx310 :D

why dont you like the mx310?

What factors are important to you when choosing your mouse?
1. grip/shape
2. skipping


: D

whut I have never experienced my mx 310 skip :o
I just moved my mouse across and back at demonic speeds and again no skipping oO

see #1

The 310 skips with setpoint because it forces the sensor to 800 dpi. Without setpoint it skips far less (400 dpi), but still not perfect.

Key features should be: No bullshit, 500hz on plugin, lightweight, nonpicky sensor.

i'll edit my mouse info later eventually :)

I would understand 500 hz on plugin if you mentioned driver installation that goes along with it, but with just plugin? is that possible with it being a windows sort of setting?

Would be kickass though..

ikari optical is 500hz on plugin

Wonder how it does it then... Because as far as I know its a windows side setting.

the razer salmosa or boomslang ce has also a built in 1000 hz "interface". you kann use 1000 hz without modification on the windows usbport.sys or driver install used be. it works really well.

There are quite a few mouses that do 500hz native, no software needed. Unfortunately, ime 3.0 is not one. That's the one adjustment I'd make.

I would wish the same for wmo :/

What mouse do you use?
Im using the Logitech MX5xx series for years now, never really tried another mouse seriously, since they all worked perfect for me. Currently its the MX518

How do you grip the mouse?
Palmgrip, index finger on LMB, middle finger on RMB

What factors are important to you when choosing your mouse?
- comfortable shape
- no skipping or any other lame behaviour

Do you prefer a low or high dpi mouse? And why?
800 dpi are enough.

Do you prefer a laser or optical sensor? Why?
I don't really care as long as there are no negative side effects.

Do you prefer a mouse with or without custom driver software?
I'd prefer a mouse with good drivers, where you can easily set things like USB rate and mouse button functions. I'm using the Logitech Setpoint drivers and I really like the additional functions for my mouse buttons in windows (i dont use them in game). Unfortunately they are still quite buggy, sometimes it doesn't force the settings properly (for example the mouse buttons have other functions than I have set up in the Setpoint drivers).

What price would you pay for the "right" mouse?
I wouldnt pay more then 50 €

And for fun, what is the worst designed mouse in your opinion.
Can't really answer that question, though I tried once some Razer mouse (i think it was the DiamondBack) and the shape was really uncomfortable for my thumb.

What mouse do you use?
Logitech G5

How do you grip the mouse?
Palmgrip, index finger on LMB, middle finger on RMB (thanks cYmoZz xD)

What factors are important to you when choosing your mouse?
price, shape, # of buttons

Do you prefer a low or high dpi mouse? And why?
doesn't matter, used to use low dpi, got used to g5 2000dpi in 30 mins, so it really doesn'r matter to me

Do you prefer a laser or optical sensor? Why?
optical is preferrable (can't use laser mouse as a pseudo flashlight)

Do you prefer a mouse with or without custom driver software?
i like the logitech setpoint sw, but it's not really necesary

What price would you pay for the "right" mouse?
max. 50€

And for fun, what is the worst designed mouse in your opinion.
Logitech MX 310 is the worst i ever used

Thanks for the feedback guys. Most of it confirmed my suspicions but there were a few interesting surprises too.

Thanks to Link for letting me know that I too am a mouse freak. :p

I will let you know if it ever makes it to the production stage.

James

What mouse do you use?

SteelSeries Ikari Laser

How do you grip the mouse?

Claw Grip

What factors are important to you when choosing your mouse?

for me a mouse should be pretty simple, I don't need this shitty marketing features

shape (not bulky), light weight, sensor should work good enough for my sensitivity (32cm/360), low lift-off
I like the idea of some additional buttons for the index finger like the Razer Mamba has (better to use without loosing control of the mouse than thumb buttons?)

Do you prefer a low or high dpi mouse? And why?

don't really care, I don't need much DPI (400 ingame, 1000 Desktop)

Do you prefer a laser or optical sensor? Why?

don't really care as long as it works well ;)

Do you prefer a mouse with or without custom driver software?

without, some onboard settings are fine

What price would you pay for the "right" mouse?

if it's the perfect mouse I wouldn't bother to pay 200€

And for fun, what is the worst designed mouse in your opinion.

hm, maybe the MS Sidewinder or Silverstone Raven

What mouse do you use?

Razer Salmosa

How do you grip the mouse?

Palmgrip: index finger on LMB, middle finger on SW, ring finger on RMB

What factors are important to you when choosing your mouse?

- compact ambidextrous design (though I'm rite handed)
- lightweight body (optimal under 100 g)

Do you prefer a low or high dpi mouse? And why?

Neither nor. I prefer common 800 DPI overall =]

Do you prefer a laser or optical sensor? Why?

Optical because I need a decent tracking speed.

Do you prefer a mouse with or without custom driver software?

Without! I'm able to change DPI/Polling rate mechanically underneath the mouse =)

What price would you pay for the "right" mouse?

max. 60 €

And for fun, what is the worst designed mouse in your opinion.

MS SideWinder X8

I'm currently using the Razer Salmosa

I use the fingertip grip, but the mouse sits close enough to my palm that it's almost a hybrid, claw/fingertip grip.

Shape is of the utmost importance. This includes button placement and everything. Second of all is the mouse's ability to track and keep perfect control at high speeds.

I don't really prefer a specific dpi, just a dpi that is appropriate for whatever resolution I'm using primarily. Generally speaking the higher the monitor resolution the higher the mouse resolution. When I used a CRT, I used a 400 to 800dpi. Now that I'm using an LCD, I use at least 800dpi. If a game allows, I'll try to use the highest dpi available.

With the sensitivity I use, I don't really have a preference on optical vs. laser. Generally speaking lasers aren't as good as opticals, but there are some that are good enough for me.

I do not prefer to use any mouse drivers at all. The only time I will install mouse drivers is if the mouse needs them to set up profiles that are saved directly on the mouse.

There is no perfect mouse, but honestly for a really good mouse that I would get several years of use out of, I'd pay up to $60, but no more than that.

There are a few mice out there that are pretty bad, but the worst designed mouse ever? I'd probably say the Fatal1ty mice. It was a bastardized version of the Logitech Wingman that had horrible issues with quality control and horrible tracking to boot.

Here's my little experience. I played with: diamondback, copperhead (not long), mx310, mx518, mx500, wmo. (order of appearance).

What mouse do you use?
mx518 since I play mainly ET and it needs lowsens and slow trackings.
would prolly use my old 310 or wmo if I played q3 or a game needing fast aim moves.

How do you grip the mouse?
Palm grip, index on the left mouse button, middle finger on the right, the 2 last fingers on the right "edge" (helps to control). Not really comfy but havent found a mouse providing better performances for what I do yet.

What factors are important to you when choosing your mouse?
skipping - no laser
shape
price
(extra mouse buttons, no correction/interpolation (:'( never had a mouse without))

Do you prefer a low or high dpi mouse? And why?
I dont mind (I correct it with window sens ratio if it's above 800)
Anything above 1800 is useless anyway

Do you prefer a laser or optical sensor? Why?
Did you ever try to play with a copperhead and a 40 cm / 360° sensitivity ? I did.
Optical only.

Do you prefer a mouse with or without custom driver software?
Never used custom drivers (tried, deleted.) no thanks !

What price would you pay for the "right" mouse?
30€

And for fun, what is the worst designed mouse in your opinion.
copperhead for the horrible diamondback shape and the laser sensor.

non related interrogation: I dont really like the wmo because there's no edge helping to lift the mouse easily. And I like to recenter my mouse often when I play, and this slows me down considerably. How do you guys do ? (except playing with an insane sensitivity and not lifting the mouse at all.)

many pros who are using wmo do it easily, me as well ... dont know why u cant do that :/

mx518 since I play mainly ET and it needs lowsens and slow trackings.
would prolly use my old 310 or wmo if I played q3 or a game needing fast aim moves.

Wut.
ET CAN be played with highsensitivity, and it CAN be played really well with high sensitivity.

Why would you use a mouse with a worse sensor for faster movements?

Anyway, what makes you think fast aim moves are needed more in Quake than in ET? =)

maybe because I played both games quite a lot (even with not reaching a better skill than low+ @ Q3, because I cant get proper timings and strategies), and ET has been pretty much my whole gaming life :)
When I talk about q3, its @ cpm mainly. You can play vq3 almost as slow as ET with relatively the same sensitivity. Even tho I had a better experience with high sens on it.

well, it's possible to play ET with a fairly high sensitivity, but you'll never reach ridiculously high accuracies with it, and get a small closerange advantage. But ET has always been about mid range aiming and having a stable aim on slow speed is needed.
And the close range loss with the sensitivity is easily supplied with a good teamplay between medics, which is harder to achieve on mid/long range :)

It's all about the players moving speed. On ET you're slow, and so are the opponents. That makes the aim angles pretty small, but you need to be precise on the whole angle. On q3 you have to be able to track on high speeds and wide angles, thus the different sensitivity.
And having a high sens helps on shooting prediction rockets / switching aimstyles between weapons, while on ET you track all the time.

My point with the other mice (which indeed have worse sensors) is their shape. The wmo and the 310 have a very low profile that allow me to have an active aim, but way less stable than with the mx518. And the sensor doesnt bother me for these: i play with 3 times my ET sensitivity on q3, which makes it harder to reach the limits.

Sorry for Quoting your entire post.. just anoying to scroll up all the time.

maybe because I played both games quite a lot (even with not reaching a better skill than low+ @ Q3, because I cant get proper timings and strategies), and ET has been pretty much my whole gaming life :)
When I talk about q3, its @ cpm mainly. You can play vq3 almost as slow as ET with relatively the same sensitivity. Even tho I had a better experience with high sens on it.

well, it's possible to play ET with a fairly high sensitivity, but you'll never reach ridiculously high accuracies with it, and get a small closerange advantage. But ET has always been about mid range aiming and having a stable aim on slow speed is needed.
And the close range loss with the sensitivity is easily supplied with a good teamplay between medics, which is harder to achieve on mid/long range :)

It's all about the players moving speed. On ET you're slow, and so are the opponents. That makes the aim angles pretty small, but you need to be precise on the whole angle. On q3 you have to be able to track on high speeds and wide angles, thus the different sensitivity.
And having a high sens helps on shooting prediction rockets / switching aimstyles between weapons, while on ET you track all the time.

My point with the other mice (which indeed have worse sensors) is their shape. The wmo and the 310 have a very low profile that allow me to have an active aim, but way less stable than with the mx518. And the sensor doesnt bother me for these: i play with 3 times my ET sensitivity on q3, which makes it harder to reach the limits.

CPM can be just as slow as vq3 or counter strike even:D

But you are just plain wrong about not being able to get high accuracies on ET with high sens.
I've played ET for years myself and I have no problem hitting 50% in it, even with high sens(16cm/360, windows default 400 DPI /sensitivity 6.2 no accel).
Reason for that is that ET rewards passive aim so much, and with passive aim I mean that when you turn fast you get a lot of spread, but if you just keep steady and aim with movement as much as you can, it keeps to a minimum.
Tho I don't use that 'technique' myself that often because I just think it doesn't actually show good aim:P

What do you mean a high sens helps shooting prediction rockets? It does not:P and switching aimstyles isn't a problem either.

Also, in most ET combat situations, you use sprint, and while using sprint you are just as far as you are in Quake3.

Point it, that you CAN be more accurate with a low sensitivity, but it doesn't necesarily have to be that way(just move your mouse slower with high sensitivity).
Aim is all between your ears.
I mean, look at czm, he has used a pretty high sensitivity for a long time, and most of that time he was a beast in aiming.

It's either you have the talent or the low sensitivity then ;)

I don't really believe in talent.

I believe in practice.

-What mouse do you use?

Normally a Razer Krait, but I got a Razer Diamondback 3G for the side buttons when my Krait died and I have hated it since. Way too big.

-How do you grip the mouse?

Finger grip.

-What factors are important to you when choosing your mouse?

Size, button sensor location (any razer is great), smooth bottom edges.

-Do you prefer a low or high dpi mouse? And why?

Higher, as it seems easier to find proper sensitivity.

-Do you prefer a laser or optical sensor? Why?

Either - no worries at high sens

-Do you prefer a mouse with or without custom driver software?

with - no need to add extra weight in the mouse for onboard crap that could be replaced with personal choice weights.

-What price would you pay for the "right" mouse?

More than $50 is getting a little silly, especially for features that you don't use.

-And for fun, what is the worst designed mouse in your opinion.

Anything made by Apple.

What mouse do you use?
-WMO

How do you grip the mouse?
side fingers (ring and pinky) and thumb

What factors are important to you when choosing your mouse?
Performance (see esreality tests), comfort (not bulky or ackward, simple ergonomics is the elegance of simple mice), material and mechanical quality (buttons that last like the energizer bunny), sensor quality, grip, reliability (doesn't break every 6 months), and weight (not a heavy mouse).

Do you prefer a low or high dpi mouse? And why?

400/800 is as much as I'll ever need, and probably most fps gamers. I'm sure some people may notice a difference with large screens and 1800dpi but past that it's really all just marketing. Im a moderate to low sens player and I don't use a giant screen (19") so it's never going to be an issue. The sensor's ability to maintain performance at all dpi's it uses and on an array of surfaces is what matters most.

Do you prefer a laser or optical sensor? Why?

Optical is simply the swiss army knife of gaming. Laser still has issues, (except maybe the Razer Mamba). Stick with what gamers know and trust.

Do you prefer a mouse with or without custom driver software?

-If it works out of the box, that's most important, and ideal. FPS gamers do not require as much customization as all other people, but if it has software that allows it, but isn't required to function normally, then sure thats fine.

What price would you pay for the "right" mouse?

I'd shoot for $50, unless the mouse truly was perfect that would justify a higher price tag. But history has shown price does not a mouse make. Why not throw in a cordholder like Steelseries has to sweeten the deal? Cordless mice are a long shot from becoming the mainstream, so give corded gamers what they need to keep consistent results. Cord's catching the edges of things by constant motion can be the most annoying thing ever.

And for fun, what is the worst designed mouse in your opinion.

This really varies, as there are tons of terrible mice out there that gamers don't even bother with. I'd say fatal1ty's mouse was poorly designed, only because it was a great shape but the performance was not up to par and the price only helped it fail even more. I also think the Lachesis is bad all around and the shape is absurd.

-If I were to make one suggestion in your design. I think one area that mice designers have not been consistent on is grip. And in some cases it is completely neglected. The MX500 used to have amazing grip and the 518 is this slick surface. Other mice like the copperhead are rubbery but don't really wick away sweat. Someone (maybe you) should put some investment in a quality material for gripping the mouse. I think for people who use a small mouse like the wmo (like me), probably 95% of us grip the mouse with our fingers, not because we have small hands and it allows finer control for smaller movements. If there were grips in those areas on each side of the mouse, it would be that much better and improve consistently holding the mouse in critical movement situations such as a reflex flick shot. If you look at the IE 3.0 it has a rubbery grip on both sides, but the wmo does not, unfortunately. I think also ambidextrious design is important and leftys should not be left out, and as you can see top gamers don't need a right-handed mouse just because they are right-handed. That's really a myth imo that it really helps to have a right-handed shape. Grip can negate that even more. If you look at this 19K2005 IBM mouse ( http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41BDYAVBBDL._SS500_.jpg ) you can see how shapely and simple it is, with a nice rubbery side, yet alas another voided option because the sensor is not 'gaming grade'.

I've had MS 3.0 old and new, 4.0, Lachesis, MX510, MX518, DeathAdder and Diamondback old 1600dpi version.

I've played with all these mice for many years and in Quakeworld I perform best with Diamondback. There is something about the shape I dunno. I just have awesome control with this mouse and it feels right. I think its because I don't have very big hands.

I make very few mistakes when I have to do a quick flick shot on someone. Shots land closer to enemy than any other mouse I've tried. Main buttons are also better than any other mouse on that list.

Anyone else really like their DB old version? I think its bloody awesome.

What do you Q3ers think about it? Is it popular?

I love the shape and feel of the Copperhead, I used it for a few years until it stopped working recently, Razer wouldn't replace and went ahead I tried the wmo instead of paying for a new Razer. I'd have to agree with you though, as far as the shape goes, I always felt comfortable flicking that mouse and the control was great. The grip texture, although not perfect, is better than a lot of mice. It conformed to my hand and the way I hold mice with my thumb and pinky perfectly. Unfortunately Razer mice are rather expensive. I'm not afraid to say I used laser, it just doesn't work well on a multitude of surfaces and having gone through 3 Copperheads in which the internal's failed, leads me to believe the laser tech was having issues. Razer's mamba may change that, but it is yet to be seen.

Nice to see some DB love! I guess CH is fine too cos they have same shape. And yes they have many models but only some of them are truly great. Lachesis was a failure imo.

What mouse do you use?
Microsoft IntelliMouse Optical 1.1A

How do you grip the mouse?
Thumb on left side, index finger on mouse2, middle finger on mouse1, ring finger and little finger on the right side with the mouse sitting in my palm.

What factors are important to you when choosing your mouse?
Light-weight, ergonomic, good surface coating (had to mod my 1.1A) and an accurate, non-skipping sensor with no prediction/correction.

Do you prefer a low or high dpi mouse? And why?
Irrelevant, though an absurdly high dpi is never a good thing simply because it forces the user to handicap the mouse's tracking in order for it to function at a controllable sensitivity at general desktop usage.

Do you prefer a laser or optical sensor? Why?
At the moment optical sensors are superior to laser ones simply because they skip a lot less and have a lower lift-off distance.

Do you prefer a mouse with or without custom driver software?
A mouse should be able to be customizable yet work at it's best without designated drivers, Razer's approach with the DeathAdder's drivers seems best fit.

What price would you pay for the "right" mouse?
No higher than 40$, assuming it has outstanding features.

And for fun, what is the worst designed mouse in your opinion.
Most likely it's the Razer Boomslang.

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What mouse do you use?
Wheel Mouse Optical 1.1

How do you grip the mouse?
Palm on the back of the mouse.
Tip of thumb 'pressing' against the left side, tip of pinky pressing against the right side.
So pretty much claw with palm on the back of the mouse.
Also, index finger tip on mouse1, fyf on mouse2 as well as the ring finger.

What factors are important to you when choosing your mouse?
It should be lightweight, nothing to complicated like sensitivity buttons, app switching button or wheel that moves left or right.
Just mouse1 mouse2, pressable wheel and mouse4 would be quite nice.

It should be shaped similair to the WMO, long, non-ergonomic and it should look SEXY.

Do you prefer a low or high dpi mouse? And why?
I don't mind.
Can allways correct by altering sensitivity, but high DPI on the deathadder works really well.

Do you prefer a laser or optical sensor? Why?
Optical, for tracking performance.

Do you prefer a mouse with or without custom driver software?
Without.
Well, maybe just software with a DPI/Polling rate switch.

What price would you pay for the "right" mouse?
50 euros or so.

And for fun, what is the worst designed mouse in your opinion.
Hmm, tough one, maybe the erm.. no I have no idea.

my 2p:

What mouse do you use?
currently in between the WMO and IE 3.0
How do you grip the mouse?
hybrid claw. claw fingers, palm partly touching the rear.
What factors are important to you when choosing your mouse?
ergonomics, max tracking speed, build quality and WEIGHT (big one, i hate heavy mice).
Do you prefer a low or high dpi mouse? And why?
low. i use a low sensitivity so it would be impractical for a few reasons.
Do you prefer a laser or optical sensor? Why?
optical simply because at the current state of tech they appear to track better at higher speeds and are thus more suitable for lower sensitivities.
Do you prefer a mouse with or without custom driver software?
not too bothered either way, however i wouldn't install the drivers unless they offered a significant benefit.
What price would you pay for the "right" mouse?
no more than £15, £20 max. considering i can get a WMO for a hair over a fiver your product would have to offer considerably more for that price.
And for fun, what is the worst designed mouse in your opinion.
hoho, not touching that one.

What mouse do you use?
IMO1.1a placed/mod inside an a4tech OP-005D (so ~1.1a).
How do you grip the mouse?
Claw.
What factors are important to you when choosing your mouse?
Wired, No Correction, low liftoff, highspeed tracking, Thumbb. (Preferably placed infront just within reach with flat thumb to allow intense hard 90 deg. angled thumbgrip without accidental press), (not heavy).
Do you prefer a low or high dpi mouse? And why?
(low) MED. (400 bit sparse maby). And because I like the combo of arm + precise wrist fingerclaw move.
Do you prefer a laser or optical sensor? Why?
Optical..Wanna try Bluetrack(optical on steroids). Because laser is dangerous in several ways. :)
Do you prefer a mouse with or without custom driver software?
If I must, I prefer not to.
What price would you pay for the "right" mouse?
After 60€ One starts to feel robbed.
And for fun, what is the worst designed mouse in your opinion.
Good contender GIVEN I claw, IMO1.1a. Ring-pinky was quickly hurting from trying to lift the pyramid shaped thingie. :P

THIS HAS NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE. LIKE . EVER.

What mouse do you use?
Mocrosoft InteliMouse Explorer 3.0

How do you grip the mouse?
Palm Grip

What factors are important to you when choosing your mouse?
Has to be lightweight, palmable, optical and wired. Needs 2 thumb buttons aswell.

Do you prefer a low or high dpi mouse? And why?
Low DPI. I prefer low dpi because then i dont have any change from the sensitivity i use when using my pc to browse web/applications then the sensitivity I have in-game. Usually when you have high DPI, you usually lower your in-game sensitivity to a manageable sense but you keep windows sensitivity the same so you will have high speed when out of game.

Do you prefer a laser or optical sensor? Why?
Optical because im a low sensitivity player and I need a sensor that doesn't skip on me.

Do you prefer a mouse with or without custom driver software?
With-out

What price would you pay for the "right" mouse?
If you can get me a MS IME 3.0 with a perfect/non-madeintaiwan scroll wheel... I'd probably pay you 2,000 bucks.

And for fun, what is the worst designed mouse in your opinion.
I'd have to say its the Razer DeathAdder.
The stupid light logo that makes the whole mouse hot and makes you sweat alot. The buttons that feel cheap. The shitty scroll wheel. The STUPID wannabe IME 3.0 shape thats like a cross between a claw grip mouse and a palmer type mouse... leaves you half gripping your mouse and causes your wrist to hurt if you game for many hours with this mouse. The stupid glossy sides that get very dirty from sweat and dust combination.

I do like the wire on it though...

What mouse do you use?
Logitech MX500

How do you grip the mouse?
Fingertips and slightly touching the back side with my palm

What factors are important to you when choosing your mouse?
1. grip/shape
2. skipping

Do you prefer a low or high dpi mouse? And why?
Doesnt really bother me. Anything above like 500 i guess? I cant say i notice any difference.

Do you prefer a laser or optical sensor? Why?
As long as it has same liftup distance and tracks good i dont care what the tech is behind it =)

Do you prefer a mouse with or without custom driver software?
Doesnt really matter, ok is good for a dpi-changable mouse i guess.

What price would you pay for the "right" mouse?
50$CAD

And for fun, what is the worst designed mouse in your opinion
Deathadder, Intellimouse explorer, all fucking Razer mouse,

What mouse do you use?
- Logitech MX518

How do you grip the mouse?
- Rest the back of my hand on the table and just twist the hand keeping the rest of the arm still.

What factors are important to you when choosing your mouse?
- Good grip (MX5xx and IE3.0), buttons in the right place (MX518 only in the 5xx series), right preasure (all previously mentioned).

Do you prefer a low or high dpi mouse? And why?
- Enough (MX518 is plenty)

Do you prefer a laser or optical sensor? Why?
- Laser and LED are both optical. Tech doesn't matter as long as it works.

Do you prefer a mouse with or without custom driver software?
- Custom that works

What price would you pay for the "right" mouse?
- Whatever the new ones costs now I guess, since I've bought the previous ones at that price.

And for fun, what is the worst designed mouse in your opinion.
- The Logitech iFeel Mouseman. It's the biggest pile of shit I've ever seen of a mouse.. Couldn't have a worse grip if it was covered in oil...