Despite the weapon/player/item models still looking terrible, the gameplay looks much better since the last time I gave it a try.

There are some new, great looking weapon models and and player models (thanks morphed). Instead of comparing it to your 2009 particle engine driven games, why not appreciate it for what it is? Based on a fork of the Quake1 engine that has evolved in open-source to ~the level of a quake3 engine, darkplaces. With a little bit this here and that there from the collaborative mind of the community, coders and artists.

The separation of server and client code allows for smoother netplay, better HUDs and innovations in effects.

I find your attitude more offensive than the graphics in this game. It's obvious you didn't even try it but congratulations on stroking your own ego.

Awesome just Alientrap and all your supporters. Keep up the great work!

"Bla bla bla, you're not liking the game I made so I'm going to say youre an idiot for thinking so!"

It's Alien Arena all over again.

Sorry, I didn't make the game and it's not another Alien Arena. Alien Arena runs on the CRX engine which is much more modern engine based on ID tech 2.

The movement, strategies, game modes, community, layout, maps and even sub-genre of the games are totally different. Nexuiz is considered more of a "twitch shooter" similar to the movement of unreal and quake 3, were using weapons and tools like the laser, hook, jetpack and portal increase the already high pace action of the game. Stacking to utilize weapons as a way to project your player across a map is common place. I don't see this so much in AA.

You have a right to your opinion about a game but those opinions are more valuable to the team if they have some sort of basis of fact rather than assumptions. Context is important in art and I consider all aspects in a game a collaboration of the arts. Be it the code, the models, the effects, the players or the videos generated by the fans, it's important in understanding the game, especially in open-source.


Saying a 2009 game has much better graphics than an open-source game based on an old engine released years after the games that were built on it were popular might make your FEEL smart but in reality, you look dumb to those who would appreciate a "professional" opinion.

I've provided the information above to help diffuse rumors so those who seek to learn more about the community have something more alluring than some sassy players who haven't taken the time to give the game a real shot.


To summarize, it would be helpful to the game developers if you got off your high horse and gave some valuable critique instead of showing off to your peers with witty remarks.

lol

why care so much about what people on esreality say, I'm guessing the Nexuiz devs have more community oriented forums than esreality...I don't think many people here play it

i just tryed it and...

promode > nexuiz

mainly because i feel nexuiz terrible boring and repetitive after a couple of minutes.

and no, i dont need any other arguments nor do i care that promode isn't opensource, but if you want objective facts be served:

-cpma superhud > nexuiz hud
-cpm physics > nexuiz physics
-cpm is more balanced than nexuiz is

for the subjective ones, i just said that i find:

-nexuiz boring and cpm fun
-nexuiz aesthetics sucks

but hey, nexuiz is opensource, go wank yourself

Not that you really care but for those who want a little bit of history. The HUD was _just_ moved to client-side, so of course it's limited. You're comparing totally different engines again. It's no surprise that you like a commercial game more because what you're doing is comparing a corvette to a civic.

The big thing about Nexuiz that I think many people find attractive is that our ideas and our contributions can make it into the game. Though slightly behind the curve for obvious reasons, we can evolve and learn together as hobbyists, improving the future of our games.

Open-source grows organically, we don't have the same set of goals that a company does. We're not trying to make money, we're just trying to have fun and learn.

FYI, there is a bit of a roadmap for the future of the HUD, not that I'd expect anyone who wants a prepackaged piece of gold to care.
http://ouns.nexuizninjaz.com/dev:csqc_hud

But maybe this post got through to some hobbyists that understand there is more to gaming.

By the way, check out the latest video on the homepage: www.nexuiz.com

CPMA isn't commercial

it's built on top of a commercial game. Their work was cut out in many areas where as Nexuiz is built from the ground up.

So?

..So it's harder to make a game like cpma with nexuiz engine?

I don't know if it's the same difficulties for Warsow, but Warsow looks pretty well polished for a free game imo (except for gameplay/weapon balance issues).

The major difference is graphics, but that doesn't explain all the other things cpma does better.

But maybe these "other things cpma does better" are harder to implement on an engine different from Q3 too ?
IMO i don't think it's true, just compare Nexuiz and Warsow.

Why copy a game and just port it over to an other engine? Does not make sense..

Nexuiz IS different, should be different and if you like cpma clones, play cpma or wsw.. Accept that there are people that like diversity! Even if you do not like it, there are always games that are different from others or live would be boring :)

True, but i was just answering iniiiiiiii's question since he didn't seem to understand anon's post :p

Nah, I understood his point of view I just don't think it's all that relevant.

CPMA is not a CPMA clone. -_-

"Nexuiz is based on the Quake 1 engine"

did I misread something?

No.. Nexuiz uses the DarkPlaces engine which IS based on the gpl'd quake 1 engine.. but is vastly modified and offers a lot of extra features. So technically its correct.

Terrible job trying to provide an excuse for Nexuiz looking mediocre and playing no better than average. Warsow started with little more than Nexuiz and is comparable, if not better than, CPMA. They built their stuff from the ground up all the same.

Don't try to waste my time with a response about how Warsow was built off Q2 originally and Nexuiz off Q1. LH and Vic did so much to the engines that it's not comparable. Factor in the extra time/experience that LH has and Nexuiz is completely accountable for all their shortcomings, don't wave around with excuses.

"X,Y, Z are substandard". Don't respond with "X, Y, Z are okay, at least we have them, it's not easy!" Respond with "X,Y,Z need work, and we're trying to make it better but we could use some more help".

I'd say it all boils down to taste.. The engines are in fact both quite advanced and offer more features then the ones they are based on. The effects and networking is fine in both if you just try and do not choose the worst pinging server you find. And i read complains about ping/movement for both games and personally think both are ok. The DP engine is tailored a bit more to have realistic graphics. For example the water reflections are not fake but (expensive) correct reflections. Sure, if you enable those it costs quite a lot more fps, but hey who really plays with enabled effects? Effects are for watching a demo :)

The rest is simply taste. I do not like the cartoon look of wsw while others do, Nexuiz more realisic appreach appeals more to me. As do the insanly high kick from the guns and the more UTish dual weapon modes or the trickjumps using the laser weapon. I do not see who such design things are the 'fault' of the engine programmer though.. At least you make it sound like it.

Both games have their supporters and a big portal like ESR will benefit both games.. no need to get into such a clash

Without debate, warsow has a far tighter, more deverse and consistent media set. When it comes to graphics features, warsow supports GLSL shaders all the same as nexuiz. That means they have the same "true" reflective surfaces.

Sorry but far tighter, more deverse and consistent media set contradict them selfs. Either its consitent or diverse. And diverse is less boring. Actually i think the Nexuiz media set is more diverse then a lot of other games, with only UT coming close in maps. It ranges from tech style maps and textures (final_rage map) to gothic style (darkzone) to open arena (ons-reborn) to egyptian style textures (texture set.. but for example used in the facing worlds map).
It also offers more different guns with some being quite alienlooking, some futuristic (fitting their purpose.. the crylink would be bad looking like a futuristic gun).
Basicly only the pickup items are narrowed to one theme, but thats good as its health/armor should have a similar look.
Not to mention the larger range of player models. Though i admit they do look aged (which is just what they are.. they will be redone though)

They're not. Sorry, it's a subtly of English. Something can be "consistent and diverse". Consistently refers to the basic nature of it while diversity refers to a general variety. "harmonious and varied" if you want synonyms.

An example might be the Tango icon set. http://tango.freedesktop.org/images/2/20/Tango-feet.png . They have a variety of consistent icons. Their color palate dictates only 27 colors and their style guidelines enforce a level of consistency. Yet, they're also diverse and ranging in scope.

For warsow, their basic media package is pretty solid and clear. Yet their environments are varied, while still conforming to the kind-of dsytopian/cartoon look one would expect.

I see.. well then i guess it just boils down to taste. I for one like the theme used in Nexuiz and its maps..

A good example of something "consistent & diverse" would be some clay statues all made from a variety of different molds (people, animals), but all using the same clay and uncolored. (or I suppose colored in the same color palette). English can be evil!

Stop posting.

THIS IS ESREALITY!!!1

now piss off with your logic

For your information, I'm usually quite an asshole, so you should be happy that I decided NOT to be more critical of how much I disliked the graphics. I commonly play DOOM 2 in my spare time with friends, so it's not the polycount that matters, it's the artwork itself.

You're a blind fanboy who can't accept that the graphics are simply "take what we can get and then throw bloom on them to make it look less bad". The game gets credit for the gameplay improvements, but don't push your luck on how nice I can be.

Why do you rage on Vedic's comment when it is a very positive comment? For being ESR and Vedic at least it is. I was actually delighted with all the positive feedback this version of Nexuiz was getting at ESR until you started the agresive tone. For this comunity saying weapon models look bad is irrelevant, while saying the gameplay seems improved is a huge complitment.

EDIT: And he at least tried it!

The fact that you have a decent engine should not be an excuse for poor art. The fact that this decent engine is old is no reason for someone to not criticize the game that's released now. If the game looks shit, it's gonna be called for looking shit, even if it has good gameplay and graphics do not matter, and regardless of what an outdated pos engine it is based on according to you, and how much of lazy dumbass someone were to not switch to the quake3 engine the moment it was opensourced.

"how much of lazy dumbass someone were to not switch to the quake3 engine the moment it was opensourced"

How many video games have you ported to another engine? It's easy to say things like this but making these ideas a reality isn't quite as easy.

There are major differences in the engines, the models and even some minor ones in the syntax of QuakeC, the way effects are rendered and maps compiled. There are custom entities and gametypes, sever software, log parsers, web frontends...

There's a whole bunch that goes into these games that you as a consumer take for granted.

Sure, it's nice to pay for a game and just have everything you (think you) want... but there's a greater appreciation in learning how these games are built and why certain standards are created, changed and evolve.

As a fork of the Quake1 engine, the developers have shared some lessons the ID team had to learn along the way through their development of new engines and even founded lessons of their own.

My deepest respect goes out to these pioneers whose struggle the mainstream gamer doesn't blink an eye at.

"How many video games have you ported to another engine?"

And how many games have you ported? And why does it matter, maybe I work for 3DRealms?

"It's easy to say things like this but making these ideas a reality isn't quite as easy."

Yeah, its not easy to make hard decisions to abandon things, dedicate time for an open source project which doesn't pay and work hard. And when you don't and you end up with something mediocre, it doesn't make it any less mediocre.

Technology wise, from what I understand, it started as a Quake1 mod in 2001. The same year when Q2 engine was opened. Its not just "easy" to say things like this. It's pretty obvious "things are the way they are for a reason" but they aren't any more fortunate for that.

"There are major differences in the engines, the models and even some minor ones in the syntax of QuakeC, the way effects are rendered and maps compiled. There are custom entities and gametypes, sever software, log parsers, web frontends..."

Are you talking down or something? Of course there are major differences between an FPS pioneering engine and two generation older cash cow of an engine that is Q3. So, what you're saying is that it's "work". Well duh. Also, what's "server software"? What the hell do log parsers have to do with anything, are you saying it's hard to modify a regex or something? WHAT WEB FRONTENDS?

"There's a whole bunch that goes into these games that you as a consumer take for granted."

How would you know if I'm just a consumer and what I take for granted? Ask before you presume.

"there's a greater appreciation in learning how these games are built and why certain standards are created, changed and evolve."

Yes, which is kind of irrelevant.

"My deepest respect goes out to these pioneers whose struggle the mainstream gamer doesn't blink an eye at. "

It takes a millions to develop a commercially worthy of investment product these days. Yes, a number of amateurs, students and perhaps even professionals organized to dedicate free time to accomplish this. But they are not 'pioneers' of anything other than 'hobbyism'. It doesn't change the fact that the game is compared to all the other, open source, commercial, games, and that people think it's lacking in certain aspects compared to these projects. No amount effort is going to impact the results. This argument has gotten too repetitive and frankly vastly outlasted my interest, last post.

Yeah, I mean, I guess writing a server-side ogg theora encoder that automatically uploads record times to youtube for the Race gamemode isn't pioneering in any sense of the word.

http://www.youtube.com/user/NexuizOverTheLazyDog


My point is that you're still just looking at an end product when this game isn't just about that.

I mean, you can call Linux total crap compared to Windows 7 but to what audience?

I mean, you can call Linux total crap compared to Windows 7 but to what audience?

Windows 7 is a full featured operating system, whereas you would base your opinion on Linux on the various distributions, not the base kernel.

Some Linux distros ARE total crap. The down side to open source is that it lets stupidity run as wild as creativity.

for once you make sense..

great feature, what license are you using for this part of the code? is it different from the client code?

Can you please stop being so damn aggressive? You just do more damage then is good in this case! FFS!

Though the comment "how much of lazy dumbass someone were to not switch to the quake3 engine the moment it was opensourced." is just a much dump and stupid. Back then the q3 engine was severly limited compared to the DP engine, no realtime lights/shadows, no reliefmapping, no deluxemapping, no ogg support, besides it was totally different to work with. Nexuiz did already exist back then so it would have required to port ALL the code, a lot if not all of the models and animations. Thats a huge task and would for sure require more then a year of work, not including the time to find people that can do that. There was talk about doing a switch but the work was just not acceptable. While the Q3 engine IS good, its not the perfect engine either..

That was a hyperbole just to make a point. Someone says the game doesn't look good. For simplicity there are two paths, either the art is lacking or the technology limits things, or both. Also, like I mentioned in another post, Q2 engine was open sources in 2001. Q3Fusion came out in like 2002. It doesn't matter if an engine doesn't have these particular features you listed. depending of what you mean by 'real time lighting/shadows', the big things are architecture, modular design, and good quality optimized code throughout. You can't really have good 'advanced' effect when you don't have a good DirectX 7 rendered.

Still the fact remains that Nexuiz was already there at this time and the porting would have take huge amount of work. Just to rewrite the code would have eaten lots of time. And like i tried to make clear even back then the DP engine had more advanced features then some of the alternative and i guess its pretty clear that there are a lot new gamers that think good graphics = good game. Also loosing stuff like realtime lights (ala doom3 which DP can do) would have been a major step back at that time.
Also i think this releases shows that DP is quite well suited for such a game.

We can talk about this hard work, and the engine specs, but It still looks 10 years behind, with and without all the effects.

The player models maybe (granted they are really old) but NOT the rest, effects, maps, weapon, items. Take a look at ruiner at ultimate settings..

No, I'm not talking about items or player stuff, I'm talking about how the colors, textures, effects, lighting, etc look. It really does to me, I'm sorry.

The levels look fine, but the weapons/items/players are my biggest gripe.

I get the rant about the player models as those are really old but some large scale changes are already planned for them.

The other models (items, weapons) however are fine if you ask me.. guess thats taste :)

Switching engine doesn't have why to be the best solution. When Q3 src was open sourced we were also requested to switch by many people, but we decided not to. We already had plans to implement all those things where Q3 was superior, and we did, along as many others. Warsow engine is today more modern and modular than Q3 engine despite being based on Q2. Afterall, Q3 engine is also based on Q2 and Q2 based on Q1.
I do agree they should put some focus on the architecture, tho. The lack of a cgame module is hurting the optimization of prediction, gfx and forces to add some avoidable stuff to the transmission that could be made locally in the client. But they have done many steps in that direction and I guess it's just a matter of time until it's completely solved.

While it does not have the name cgame, such a thing is now being used, and it was also mentioned into 'changes'
Hmm should have gotten a better text though. (Totally rewritten Client/Server communication to cut the bandwidth usage in half) and it will be improved upon .. :)

you really dont come here often do you

Physics have also been changed a bit.

DAMN YOU ARQON! DOES YOUR INSATIABLE LUST FOR PHYSICS CHANGES KNOW NO BOUNDS?!

*arquon

np as long as fetzrail wasn't removed

Actually that was funny! :-)

Pretty much all weapon models (and animations) have been changed, for the better of what used to be IMO, especially the Hagar model.
Player models are still the same as before, but I hear they are trying to make new ones now.

2.5 does look good and runs very smoothly as well, which was a very nice surprise. Definite improvement there!

:)

I'll be checking it out. I've played a little Nexuiz here and there for years now.

the new electro is sexy. I like the update. :)

What is it with all these open source FPS games advertised here that gets us flooded with all the anonymous? It's the same every fucking time.

Four out of 29 comments and you talk about anon-flood? HEH right

It was 3 out of 10 comments when I made my comment. That's alot for ESR. You're pretty much anonymous too.

Don't worry, your name does not ring a bell with me either.. welcome Anonymous!

You are anonymous to this site. If you couldn't even figure that one out you're a bigger moron than I thought.

Oh i know that, i just read stuff on ESR but usually do not care posting.. Its been a while since i was a active quake player. Just why would that make my argument any weaker or stronger? Yeah, your big epenis of being known on esr does not impress me at all..
So basicly you seem to think the same about me, as i do think about you.
And honestly you are wrong.. i watched this thread since it was created.. there were at least 7 non-anon posts before even the first anon post, learn to count and don't try to mask you funny attacks..

If you knew that, why did you make that comment about me being anomynous too? I wasn't even implying that it would make your argument weaker or stronger, it was just a statement.
So what if there were seven known posters before the first anomymous, it still were three anomymous posts before my post, which STILL were alot of anomymous post counting with ESR standards! It doesn't have anything to do with the majority being non anonymous. GET IT?! You have it right before you, and still you argue your non existing point.

Oh i get it.. anon != anon != anon-with-name != name != you.. oh yeah, NOW i get it..

Your still not getting it. I don't see any way else I can make you either, so I'll just stop trying. Amazing...

Nice, gonna check this out. I've played a bit of Nexuiz before and was quite fun.

Nice and fun game :)
..but lol at vertical knockback :o (i like it though :D)

its fun but shame there are no servers/players on the west coast usa.

this has come a long way even from back in 2002-3 or whenever i hosted a heartbeat server for it. but im still waiting for cpm physics :p

The only servers I ever find are NY, which is 90ping for me. But meh, I don't take it very seriously. This is one of those "just plain fun" games for me. Whereas I'm slightly invested in Quake.

There should be several NA server, including the nexuizninjaz servers.. maybe they are on the other coast though.

I think this game's weakest point is its name. It has both an X and a Z which should make it totally hip, but I have no idea how to pronounce it. Any ideas?

necks-weez?

necks you is

n3X01z

enthreeexohonezee?

Why that's a perfect name!

Why? Once people try to find out how to pronouce the name and talk about it they will not forget it that fast :)

It says when you open the game,
"welcome to nex-ee-us"

this game is some total bs that should never been releaseeed...

I mean really, why someone would play this kind of crap when there are DM games like quake, UT and warsow? Each of those way much better in terms of gameplay and scene.

Got to start somewhere, ya know

what have you created recently?

If you haven't been president, don't talk politics.

LOL, seems you 'tested' this release SO well you can't even find something to critique, just talk bullshit.. Does even your mom take you serious?

well.. like said game doesnt have any kind of "theme" and gameplay is awfull.. and maps... i am not even going to say how bad they are..

Yeah, what a fine critique.. i can't say how bad it is.. i am deeply impressed! Well just get over the fact that there exist different tasted and it simply did not meet yours. I guess i do not like a lot of the games you love and thus feel the need to bash this one the way you do. And sorry, just saying some other game has "better" gameplay is NOT telling WHAT you think is wrong..

i prefer sauerbraten..

This game feels like some random stuff was thrown together and in some weird way formed a game.

Who cares what people at ESR think anyway? This is a dying site, a dying scene, and they did it to themselves by taking pride in being assholes.

Game over ESR.

Are you really trying to insult Quake's community activity from a smaller community? You can call us out on being assholes, but you should really do it when we are actually TRYING to be assholes. This thread was fine until your community showed up.

Maybe the fact that most comments were quite friendly so far made him think something is wrong with ESR? :-) Personally i think thats fine and shows that Nexuiz is moving in the right direction.

On the other hand, i think judging a community by a single Anonymous post is rather funky.. ( Maybe not everything is wrong with ESR :-P )

I'm telling you, it's like this EVERY time a new version of a game of this sort gets a news item here.

Alien Arena was, but Warsow didn't seem so bad. I made my first post thinking that nobody would even reply since I didn't insult the game, and here I am. D=

No, you're right about warsow. It's hilarious. ^^

There is only a handful of free FPS games (not to mention that Nexuiz is the only one COMPLETLY released as GPL) but they are FPS games after all and all of the games get more and more features that warrent competive gaming.. ESR is a good place to talk about them. Comparing them is an other thing, there is too much personal taste and people tend to just take them selfs too seriously to talk about taste and stay objective.

But you just seem to admit that ONE anon-person (or do you want to say that its more then one anon-guy?) causes way too much trouble, and not just because he tries to, but also because ESR loves flamewars.. If 'its always the same' proves anything then that point. Also ESR would be boring without them :-)

I agree with the first paragraph. You misunderstood what I meant with "It's always like this", and frankly I can't be arsed any more to explain anything to you. Let's put this aside and get on with other things.

A dying scene? Have you heard of Quake Live? Also, ESR might be dying, but last I checked(5 seconds ago) it still had a google page rank of 5, which is the same as gotfrag, and any other major website. This means it will still turn up on the front page for mast competitive gaming related searches, often in top 3.

I didn't say Quake was a dying scene. ESports is the dying scene. I don't know why anyone bothered posting the news here anyway, it's never going to amount to anything other than having to defend themselves against ineffectual losers that put things down to make themselves feel better about something.

Esports can't be a dying scene because it never existed, besides in in Sourth Korea, where it is as strong as ever. Organized competitive gaming has gone on regardless of the 'prize purses' and the actual tournaments/lanparties, gaming club competitions are occurring at an accelerating rate.
As to why anyone posts here, is because thousands of people still read this site and enjoy reading comments of these ineffectual losers putting things down to make themselves feel better about something rather than read comments of ineffectual fucking retards gloating over any sort of shit they're being fed whilst enjoying it and not having one bit of a clue or effort for critical thinking.

I don't know why anyone bothered posting the news here anyway, it's never going to amount to anything other than having to defend themselves against ineffectual losers that put things down to make themselves feel better about something.

We generally LIKED the game. I'm reconsidering it due to your community, however.

You're reconsidering your taste because of some peoples unrelated opposing opinions?

I'm open to hatred by proxy.

You're biggest problem is evident in this post - your use of the word "we". You feel you speak for everyone. From what I see here, and from what I saw in past news posts from Nexuiz, and Alien Arena, were varying opinions, some liked it, some didn't, but there were a group of posters, Locke comes to mind as one, that repeatedly felt the need to come in and act as if they spoke for the entire site, and were downright nasty from the start, without provocation. It wasn't enough to say that they didn't like the game(which they are entitled to), but they had to do it in a way that was belittling to the people who worked on the game.

Now I don't pretend to know the social situation of everyone here, but it's fairly evident that some treat the anonymity of the internet as a way to vent in ways they cannot in real life, because they are either too timid, or because they realize that acting in such ways would have repercussions. It's actually fairly disgusting behavior that only exemplifies the problems in today's society.

Now, all that said, I am not really part of the Nexuiz community. I enjoy playing alot of open sourced games, so don't let my opinions influence your decision to play or not play a game(and let's face it, that's a bullshit line anyway, just being used to further antagonize and belittle, and you know it).

You're biggest problem is evident in this post - your use of the word "we". You feel you speak for everyone. From what I see here, and from what I saw in past news posts from Nexuiz, and Alien Arena, were varying opinions, some liked it, some didn't, but there were a group of posters, Locke comes to mind as one, that repeatedly felt the need to come in and act as if they spoke for the entire site, and were downright nasty from the start, without provocation.

You attacked my opinion before Lock even posted AT ALL!

It wasn't enough to say that they didn't like the game(which they are entitled to), but they had to do it in a way that was belittling to the people who worked on the game.

Do you expect more from a game that has no market share on this site at all? There were, what, 10 posts before you turned it into a community war? This thread was about to die. In fact, a second thread was made in the forum about the game that you didn't even bother reading or responding to.

Now I don't pretend to know the social situation of everyone here, but it's fairly evident that some treat the anonymity of the internet as a way to vent in ways they cannot in real life, because they are either too timid, or because they realize that acting in such ways would have repercussions. It's actually fairly disgusting behavior that only exemplifies the problems in today's society.

This from someone posting anon. Do you read this stuff before you post it?

Now, all that said, I am not really part of the Nexuiz community. I enjoy playing alot of open sourced games, so don't let my opinions influence your decision to play or not play a game(and let's face it, that's a bullshit line anyway, just being used to further antagonize and belittle, and you know it).

Oh please, you're either one of the graphics designer (highly likely due to your offense at my post) or a developer on the team. Your opinion shows the outreach of the Nexuiz community. Instead of taking an Åke Vader approach, you decided to take a "GRR, LET'S RAGE EVERYWHERE" approach. The community is even smaller than ESR, so you represent a larger percent of the type of player that I would have to interact with. If you're a developer instead of just a fanboy, I'm sure you'll have a great time running anyone with ANY sort of interest in the game back to wherever it is that they came from.

Wtf are you on about? I guess this "Locke" is supposed to be me; so where do you get the idea that I have been "down right nasty from the start" about this game? I HAVN'T EVEN MENTIONED IT'S QUALITY YET! The biggest reason for this is because I havn't played this version yet. I played some version some years ago, it sucked ass back then, but I didn't play this one so I didn't say anything about it.
This was, and probably still is alot better than Alien Arena. That game is just plain stupid in every way possible. And I would have no problem telling it to the makers in real life. Why is it that every time you put something down in writing on Internet someone has to go on with the idea that "you're just hiding behind the Internet anonymity"? It's fucking retarded, and by this comment you hade, so do you seem to be.
I'm tired about this shit now, so please go away from my favourite site.

Please, stop posting. You are hurting Nexuiz.

For who?

Seems like he hit upon a few key points about ESR's courtesy to outsiders.

I guess/hope Jal means you, and i think he is right.. your are being a bit too aggressive here..
So please stop being an asshole putting the community into a wrong light!
*edit* made it a bit clearer

Yes, it is a reply to him.
edit: him being the american anonymous.

Haha, not again. Quake have been reported dead so many times, when youre gonna learn its immortal? Clueless.

Anon is funnier at 4chan.

Have to agree, was fine until someone from america started going OTT. just keep on topic.

Nexuiz 2.5 is better than older version. It's now near an Unreal Tournament. I hope 3.0 will be cool, for the moment it's fun one hour or two but not more ...

The laser is a really good starting weapon. It's so useful for tricks and to make enemies fly away :D

woah, someone who took the time to play and enjoyed Nexuiz' staple of movement. Glad you enjoyed it :)

so which part of

By Vedic
Despite the weapon/player/item models still looking terrible, the gameplay looks much better since the last time I gave it a try.

didn't you understand? To me this sounds like Vedic played it.

maybe the "woah" is connected to the "enjoyed" :P

if vedic doesn't flame smth instantly (gameplay) it might actually mean he came close to enjoying it :P

movement system is fucking retarded as is the community. although since its open source im sure someone could fix the game where the developers made mistakes!

"fucking retarded" that's pretty technical. Your vast knowledge of the English language may prove to be a deterrent in communicating your ideas to game developers.

P.S. your profile picture is pretty cool

sorry i'm not going to type formally to criticize your bad game, fanboy

wtf is with this anon. go register already faggot

Play more warsow! (after OSP or CPMA xD )

No Warsow is still so shitty !
Maybe when 0.5 comes out..

Tried the game briefly, must say I really think some of the weapons are pretty fun, loving the mortar gun, but it makes the actual rocket-launcher seem to go in slow-motion and that makes me furious.

I have yet to figure out the movement, if there is any. Even VQ3 feels attractive right now.

It seems like they tried to make it QW-ish, but you can get great acceleration through simple strafe jumping if you do much MUCH wider angles than you normally would. It gives you acceleration and some air control, but you kinda have to snake like in mario kart. Once you have speed, the regular QW-style air control feels a bit better. IMO the game needs a better means of accelerating from a stop like Warsow.

I get the feeling that they want you to use the laser gun A LOT, to move around. I don't know, currently I just feel really goofy and out of control, but maybe I'm just too used to real Quake-ish movements.

It could be a lot of fun, but currently its just frustrating - And I'm not saying that I'm awesome and master everything right away, but I would generally have a clue about the movement in a FPS game quite quickly, even in a game like Warsow, but I'm just not feeling it here.

I get the feeling that they want you to use the laser gun A LOT, to move around.

The issue with that is that the laser takes away vertical importance. No longer are you faced with harsh decisions about abusing self-damage in exchange for a shortcut.

And I'm not saying that I'm awesome and master everything right away, but I would generally have a clue about the movement in a FPS game quite quickly, even in a game like Warsow, but I'm just not feeling it here.

Get a bit more speed then just try it as if it were QW. Other than that, try to move as if it were QW, but hold down both forward and the direction and be a lot more generous about how far you go. Both of these seem to work to a degree, but I can't seem to find any video guides, and I'm finding it a bit clumsy as well. Holding forward+direction+curving seems to give better results in all situations for me, but you have to really push it.

I could be doing it wrong, but this is the most I've been able to figure out on my own.

I get the feeling that they want you to use the laser gun A LOT, to move around.
The issue with that is that the laser takes away vertical importance. No longer are you faced with harsh decisions about abusing self-damage in exchange for a shortcut.

Sure its different, but once used to it other games that need time to speed up feel slow, were its just a simple laserjump in Nexuiz to gain height and/or speed. To gain speed a simple laserjump (jump pointing down and pressing fire without jumping seems to work best for me) or do a sidewards one on a wall. Also maps open up totally different ways of playing when you can cheaply laser jump all the time. Its not like some CA were you have no selfdamage but its close in speed.

Sure its different, but once used to it other games that need time to speed up feel slow, were its just a simple laserjump in Nexuiz to gain height and/or speed. To gain speed a simple laserjump (jump pointing down and pressing fire without jumping seems to work best for me) or do a sidewards one on a wall.

I got those down fairly quickly (especially the laserjump without pressing jump as I learned on the racetrack map) but I seem to be at somewhat of a loss on how to properly take advantage of what to do at that point.

Strafe jump techniques kinda sorta seem to work, but not really, and don't work at all for going in a straight line. The slightest deviation of movement after you gain acceleration can slow you down completely, and air control seems to work selectively. Diagonal movement seem to work to a degree, and simply holding forward works if you try to side-strafe like QW, but none of them seem to be optimal or practical. You certainly can't seem to change direction multiple times in a jump using QW-style movements, but even trying to dedicate to a single move doesn't seem to net any benefit.

"but I seem to be at somewhat of a loss on how to properly take advantage of what to do at that point."
Don't get me wrong, but thats called depth of game and learning curve. I would guess you are familar with that from other games and its what sets people appart and will provide a challange to those that like it.

Then again it depends on the situation and map. Using walls can give you great speed with almost no upward movement if done right. And a lot of maps are quite open to honor laserjumps. See runningman, soylent, aggressor or accident. Especially the CTF maps and even more so the third party ctf maps are quite open and invite that type of gameplay.

As for the strafejumps.. Nexuiz never intented to be a game were thats used too much. Most of the time it just work when being slow! Over a certain speed indeed jumping just straight ahead (with just +forward pressed) gives indeed more speed grow then anything else (besides laserjump ofc). Try to enable the speed display and load up silvercity and jump around. I think that in 2.5 strafing requires to be much more gentle then in previous versions as the sidway friction was increased.. also a lot of different physics are possible. (Do ' ls physics* ' in the console and exec those files to try out how flexible the nexuiz config system is). The current one tries to appeal to beginners and 'old stagers' alike.

Grasping the basics of laserjumps is quite easy, as is jumping in a straight line. Both work well for beginners and finding out about the finer stuff is a bit hard to explain (at least to me). I just can advice to watching people like Mirio/Misio or trying to be gentle with strafing :)

I got the hang of the air control running in circles on eggandbacon using your guide. You recommend only holding the direction you are curving in and curving with the mouse. This is the same as QW/CPM, but the difference is in how it modifies the momentum. The change isn't based on forward momentum as it doesn't simply alter your direction, it actually is pushing your momentum in the direction you are pressing as if you were on the ground. Due to how it modifies the momentum, you can't change direction on the spot as you have to wait briefly to alternate, which totally removes how dynamic it is in QW/CPM.

On the other hand, I've found that using forward+direction+curving, I can actually get more speed, I can change direction in air without worrying about momentum issues, and I can curve just as sharp or better. Additionally, not only is it easier (and feels a bit like a bastard child of CPM/VQ3), but the punishment for not landing it just right isn't as severe as the former method.

Is this movement new and have I stumbled on something you guys haven't, or is this what you are talking about?

Well, in 2.5 the movement was slighty changed. I do not want to say i managed all of it yet.. I'll try out your hint and hey, maybe i have something to add to my guide. Its getting tendious to adjust it again and again.. easy to forget to add/change something :-)
Still that guide should help lots of beginners. I take it you mean Nexuiz/Docs/basics.html (or the online version http://alientrap.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1344 ) ?

I would be very interested to know if I accidentally stumbled on a new form of movement. =D

edit: also, in order to test it's abilities better, there seems to be a cap on acceleration. Is there a variable or mutator kinda thing I can use to uncap it and see if this method is superior to the original method?

Heh, if i were a movement-config-pro maybe i could tell you.. I'll try to take a look at that too :)

Sorry, was busy during the holydays..
I could not really see how your way of doing stuff is any faster. Maybe i'm getting it wrong though. Would be nice to drop me a demo of what you are doing to make sure i get it exactly like you do it..

I already uninstalled the game, but I could install it again and record a demo. Did you find a way to uncap player acceleration so I can see which is superior?

The rate at which they both accelerate is very close, but they reach the cap rather quickly which makes it hard to tell which is the better one overall. Other than the speed, the ability to change momentum at any time both on ground and in air is far more valuable.

Yeah, this is how you strafe in nexuiz. I've been playing nexuiz for quite some time (Hmm, maybe almost 2 years), and for the past year or so, I've been using a strafing technique that many do not even know about. Basically, it involves strafing like you normally would in vq3 for example, without actually touching w. A (or whatever left strafe is bound to) + moving mouse left all while bunny hopping = win. Now, you can change direction and the direction you move your mouse in after every successful jump, but some people just hold w. I think doing it like you would in quake (without w or forward though) is more "controllable" during a ctf or duel match. It's a bit weird and possibly uncomfortable at first, but it's really useful and makes games much more fun.

That's actually the method that I was saying was less dynamic. You can't change direction with any sort of certainty at high speed, and you have issues with double jumps if you do the QW-style air control. If you do Q3-style strafe jumping, but just curve more, it works better both for acceleration, and for directional modification.

"IMO the game needs a better means of accelerating from a stop like Warsow. "
Pull out the laser (first gun) and do a laser jump. If used right its a damn universal speedup, rocketjump, walljump, doublejump on steriods!

I'm seeing that a bit now, but it ruins the vertical aspect. It's also very impractical in a lot of cramped situations. Could be better if it wasn't so strong and if the weapon switch was faster.

What's up with air control and why doesn't it seem to work right?

the movement in nexuiz has always been oddball. one of my first complaints about it like 5 years ago

To me the movement in COD is an oddball :P
Nexuiz never adverticed strafe jumping did it? I wonder why people expect it from every quake based game. It does work a bit, but movement is more tailored for laserjumping.

In fact the extra 'Havoc' mod included in 2.5 almost kills strafejumping.. Its intented for other tastes (and it also changes weapons and the health system quite a bit and feels a lot different to normal Nexuiz IMO)

i didnt say anything about strafejumping. point is nexuiz really has no movement system which makes it just awkward

Thats not true.. If i wanted to split hair, even a system that just allows you to move forward, back, left, right at either full or no speed would be a movement system.

But Nexuiz has much more.. first of all the rather cheap laser jumps, then rampjump (which even got improved in 2.5 a bit), ladders give you an extra boost upwards. There is a possibility to bend you jump, just press ONLY a strafe button (nor forward) and move your mouse in the same direction. You also gain speed by simply jumping in a straight line. And if you take a look at #115 by Vedic you will also learn that a sort of strafe jump IS possible.. So welcome to the jumpy world.
What was your point again?

so explain to me why you're an asshole in all of your posts even when no one else is?

I don't think he's being an asshole at all. He's just trying to explain everything from his more experienced POV. Has been well manered and have a friendly attitude at every post he did. Nothing to do with that other guy.

stuff like

What was your point again?

is why i know he was being an asshole

You think that makes me an asshole? LOL
Actually i think its a valid responce after (trying to) counter argument your point and trying to get you to think about an other opinon. If you really took it that hard, i'm really sorry. Did not get the impression that you can be hurt so easily!

sorry i was just getting the impression that you were trying to slam me down

Where are the devs from? I find it quite interesting that you chose to use different Kanji for power-ups. I only know the 'quad' one though, which is displayed at the picture (and seems to be the symbol for the game, which makes me think you're just using it for the cool-factor) and means 'Power', quite in line.

The project originated in Germany, many of the devs are from Europe but a few have joined from USA and South America.

The symbol for 'strenght' (guess power is ok too) just looks similar to a lowercase latin " n " which is why its quite fitting for nexuiz. The team leader is from canada though :)

chikara
(n) (1) force; strength; might; vigour (vigor); energy; (2) capability; ability; proficiency; capacity; faculty; (3) efficacy; effect; (4) effort; endeavours (endeavors); exertions; (5) power; authority; influence; good offices; agency; (6) support; help; aid; assistance; (7) stress; emphasis; (8) means; resources


Pick and choose =p

I already have in my previous post :-)

I guess you missed my point.

Leave nexuiz alone

BTW: There is a new 2.5 video on the homepage

kudos to that elysis guy for the music btw.. great tracks :)

That video displays the movement style that you described in your tutorial, so I think it's safe to assume that the movement I found is either not known about or is not as good. From personal testing, I would assume the former.

Vedic, if you want demo's or video's on movement where it is explained well, I can link you to some of mine. can contact me on #nexuiz on quakenet. Name: kojn if you want some and I will be able to show you, or atleast give you decent demo examples.

I can see exactly what your saying, and yes the air-control is different to QW :| you should release forward when pressing strafe and moving the mouse to corner, but as you land it's useful to press and release forward quickly and back onto strafe, I guess this is similar to when you said pressing forward and strafe + moving the mouse to keep up speed when turning. I do agree that initial speed is perhaps a bit slow and can't allow for as good movement when your moving faster so can feel hard to turn at lower speeds.

I actually wanted CPM movement.. the biggest problem is, i don't think anyone knows how to implement in properly into nexuiz or hasn't bothered looking into how to do it..or asking someone who would have a good idea, since im trying to find someone who can add it in. I can't see it being hard though for someone could help to implement it.

The method you are describing is exactly QW, but without the requirement of pressing forward. The method I am describing is much closer to strafe jumping in Q3, but with the same air control as QW.

In the method I describe, you do not let go of forward at all. You do what you normally would, but while holding forward as well, and you have to do a bit more of a wide curve than you normally would with just holding the side direction. Can you confirm/deny what I'm talking about or do I need to make a demo?

I was doing just what you say when i tried the game. I thought it was normal movement (v)Q3 style..
It works better than bunny jumping imo.

Watching the video it seems pretty decent, player models are the hardest thing to get right, and the only reason theres never been a stand alone cpma

I'm actually enjoying the game, I just can't for the love of god understand the movement. At times I feel like I have total control, at other times, it feels like I'm hitting invisible walls out of nowhere.

Fuck this.
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/4623/gameoverman.jpg

Oh bad luck.. i think some people already bet the map at 28 seconds :) Good luck with the next try :)

Despite being able to do the movement alright during combat and for general purpose movement around a map, I too cannot seem to beat the racetrack map. Even when cheating. =(

I've heard about it plenty of times but I tried it for the first time two days ago. I must admit it is better than I actually expected and "public" gametypes are quite fun (insta with hook... minsta or something) but I can't imagine playing 1v1 or TDM on it :(

Feel free to join #nexuiz.pickup and play / watch some 1v1/2v2TDM/3v3CTF. If you have any questions about the channel ask me (all-bundy) or others around there.

Had to try it after all the shitfest this thread is filled with. Meh, I enjoy cpm a lot more.

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