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cpm <3

*yawn*

Just woke up? VQ3 puts me to sleep, too.

*YAWNZ0R*

I hear you.

just a taste of your own eternal medicine

20cc of air control solved my sleeping problems - you should try it.

nah, i don't have a fetish for a movement of a mad rabbit whose being chased by a random bigger animal.

Careful! That kind of talk could send you straight into a coma!

i read that twice. and nothing. my english must be worse than i thought.

*English

*English.

It wasn't a sentence.

I know, I'm just bored and replied randomly. :(

yup. obviously not my native language. but i somehow manage to keep up with you trolls, so its not that bad i guess.

Just as well - you get about as much done as your native guttural growling and barking.

wait, an american speaking of natives?

i'm pretty sure your natives used that specific kind of language?

hm. i hope you just didn't own yourself.

What does that have to do with what I said?

hahahahahahaha

destroyage.

You're talking about my ancestors using different languages, and I was talking about your native and primitive form of communication. You know, barking, growling, and anal sniffing. Am I going to fast for you?

Also, stop mashing your refresh button. My phone is going to run out of batteries if you keep setting off the vibrate.

there's no hope for you. you'll always be a sad bitter man trying to convince someone he's wrong in whatever. my guess would be childhood isolation and lack of communication whatsoever. that kind of stuff results in people being troubled like you. and before you know it, you'll be 50 years old.

put some thought into it. now i will leave it at that.

I can deal with bitter, and so can my wife.

Glad you're shutting up, though.

i beg of you, use extreme measures of contraception.

No troll can resist responding to me after they say they won't - I swear to god.

well i thought that advice was extremely important, now you mentioned you have a wife. really didn't see that coming, but there are all sorts of people out there. then again, she could be the reason for you being like this. does she beat you up?

She's actually rather amused by my antics. I'm quite mean to everyone but her, and she takes it as a compliment. She's the type who really knows her place as a woman, too.

:D

so you managed to have sex with some troglodyte, then her parents forced you to marry her, and now you consider that as a sign of being adult?

0/3

Try again?

only stupid americans are proud to be married, lol

It's an adult thing - you'll understand in a few years.

yup i bet adultery is all about posting on esr all day long with your long hair and bitterness.

man i can't wait.

adultery... lol.

inte bra pojke

:(( sorry. I thought it was a joke. <3<3<3<3<3<3<3

"long hair"

:(

Because marriage doesn't work in the world today,
It's an institution that is in decay.
And if I have love I wish to portray,
I will surely find another way.

Marriage is idiotic any way you look at it.

I agree - until you grow up.

You can spend the rest of your life with your woman/man/sheep of choice without any arbitrary contracts.

Go troll some ql threads, tool.

I could, but I get tax benefits if I am married.

edit: Did you really think that gay people wanted to get married just for the sake of the title? This is exactly what I was talking about with growing up. If you don't know how things work in the real world, I'm sure they seem scary.

The real world is a joke.

I agree - until you grow up.

1. You are one year older than me.
2. Do you agree with everything in the "real world"?
3. Grow the fuck up.

One year older in age, but obviously about a decade older in maturity. I don't have to agree with the real world to know how it works. You need to know how it works to stop being afraid of it.

No tax benefits for married people under Finnish law, grow up and stop bickering about everything on a computer game website, tool.

You're such an amazing cluster fuck of pure idiocy and doggedness it's incredible.

*ninja edit for tautology*

I see, so because your country doesn't have benefits, I shouldn't do it.

Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.

Fucking kill yourself, god what a moron.

Your grow up argument was null and void, see?

Fucking kill yourself, god what a moron.

Nice rage.

Your grow up argument was null and void, see?

Thank you for proving my point.

link still living in the 60s with all his free love, maaaannnnnnn

make bongs, not bombs!

See? It's shit like that.

no cpma vq3 tourney......
cpm tourney.....wtf ...just because fox play it ?

gg for the qw tourney

i know!! and not even an OSP ctf tournament!! wtf admin noobs!!! xDD

did i talk about OSP ?
cpm sucks a bit only few guys play it....
look your NC...
So pls fo eat my balls and stfu with your useless whine

cpm sucks a bit only few guys play it....

... only a few guys play VQ3. So?

yeah i know!! OSP ctf would be awesome!!

useless whine.. lol, you're the one bitching at every fucking tournament that doesn't include vq3.

vq3 is dead, all the hours you played it have been wasted, c ya

I know nothing about this "OSP" you speak of but I know noone who was ever any good at it plays CPM. :<


/e
translated into actual english

cpm was a success for dreamhack last winter. So it's not a big surprise that it has returned :D

maybe because clearly cpm > boring vq3?

relax

waah waah :-'((((((((((((((((

why only 16 players? :/

if we get enough sign ups we'll probably going to raise the cap. But I doubt that we get that many sign ups. The quakers tend to not sign up or show up at the summer events.

cpm and qw, nice..

FUCK YEAH

we shall see the true Power of Speed

nice!:)

get over here and play! :D Could prolly arrange some warsow shootouts with q-pad also!

a-levels in one month + cousin's kick ass wedding on 11th june (in poland wedding receptions last for much longer than one day :D) = gg :-(

but i am thinking about going to sweden for one week later this summer, if my exams go well (but it depends on euro cost too :>)

euro is doing damn fine compared to sek :p

hmm yeah it's not that bad too:
http://www.money.pl/u/chart_NBP.php?waluta=79...2&t=37

but for example airplane tickets prices are rather affected by euro rate :P and in that case difference can be quite big (one year ago it was close to reach 3PLN:1EUR and not that late, two or three months ago it almost reached 5:1)

Where the hell is QL?

last seen at http://www.quakelive.com/

Its not ready for lan-tournaments. It doesnt even have lan support yet.

creds to dreamhack for choosing games that are actually good.

at least one proper event with proper games...

yep nice to see a qw tourney, miss some quake 3

q3 is not only vq3, so... die

$$$

this year im taking time off work to visit aswell!

i'm no dueller but if you're going we could have gay sexch.

edit: oh wait i just realized its summer. im coming this winter only : [

I'm pretty sure you'll pay a visit anyway :D

and then not say hello. what a cunt!

hmmm

scrape the cpm tourney and double the prize money for qw. why reward people for being good at a shitty game?!

I thought you claimed to be the champion of this shitty game you're talking about? I can see a connection between the two of you.

i could have sworn i didnt claim in my post that being the champ at a shitty game made me a great player

EXCUSES

Jamal or Taki ?

yay@CPM \o/

gratz fox for the win... so, just give him the money and give us the next tour!

hopefully more active cpmers will show up this time

Hopefully map picking doesn't occur by drops.

Would like to watch players play on the maps they feel most confident about instead of playing the maps that they are slightly less unconfident on.

yea it was a shame that the most important cpm map got constantly dropped, depriving us of the best matches possible (whether you like the map or not, fact is most cpm'rs have generally played that map 4/5x more than any other duel map, a lot of duelers playing that map exclusively)

that's not to knock fox, I think he is good enough to beat the best even on that map if he invested enough time into practicing it

cpm3a is by far one of the more interesting maps to spectate (as well as play). It really is a shame because I was hoping to see what Fox could do on the map with his superior aim.

quake2 please

Yes, watching a good q2 tourney would've been a pleasure :<

Yeah

Woo!

hah da fuk

that's how do they treat with people who play wrong games in sweden

quake2 please! I wanna come play Q2!!1

sorry but q2 already blew their chance :(
last summer (I think it was) like 5-6 sign ups (out of like 16) that actually came to the event..

"massive prizepurse of 30 000 SEK (€2700)"
massive is a bit strong word innit..

I know something else that's massive :)))

LIES ;DDD

well it's massive, because it's the only cpm tourney with money... and maybe it's not the only qw lan with prize, but i dont think the other one (qlan?) has much more money in prize

yeah well, still. If you compare the kind of prizes just a few years ago with this years it feels like a strong statement in my ears atleast.

still massive for cpm ;)

Woo QW! This and the news that SK-Gaming is going to start covering QW events/competitions is very good news :)

nice game lineup

good news

looking forward to it

hope fox doesn't sign up, that brakes the "superior mod" theory. was funny when a vq3er made them funny.

funny.

hehe. heh.

see what i did there?

don't funny

funny as aids mate

i know that day broke your heart. there there

i was cheering fox on you tool

was a safe bet, lulz.

I know you are a sorry-ass troll but still, a player like fox is an extremely good all-around q3 player.

Of course the pressures involved in top-level tdm/dueling molded far better (all-round) q3 players than the (mostly) hobby cpm scene, no-brainer there.

me a troll?

lmao

99% of time in cpmers daily routine is to talk shit about vq3. not the other way around. you poor bitter people.

>99% of time in cpmers daily routine is to talk shit about vq3
This actually might be the truth, at least close to it.
But uh...
> not the other way around
OH HAI THAR
You see, in real life there is no pure black, like there is no pure white. They are all mixed up.
See what I did there?

yeah i do, you missed the point.

the only reason why i'm talking shit here is because you guys need to see how it is the other way around.

maybe then you'll stop being boring.

fuck, if i have time, i'll even be on the dreamhack gtv with the other...dunno...17 people, if so, and constantly whine how bad and shitty it is. throughout the whole match. so you morons can see how it is.

Every CPMer knows CPM is not perfect. And not every CPMer talks shit about vq3 just for fun.
Personally, I start talking shit about them after they talk shit about CPM.
Please note that right here right now you started talking shit on us first. Not the other way around.
And I'm not being boring. I'm being tired of pointless aggression, especially from vq3ers like you, sorry. Although I know not all of them are like you and it's a good thing.

check out the "new osp" topic, and be at whatever cpmavq3 gtv is up, then come back here and try to repeat what you've said.

on the other hand i NEVER EVER heard vq3er talk shit at the cpm first.

I'm not a cpm'er

Use your brain, troll, vq3/osp being the competitive standard, forged far better quakers in the long run, since the pressures involved were higher.

Think, don't spam?

vq3/osp being the competitive standard, forged far better quakers in the long run, since the pressures involved were higher.

well, this is what i say anyway so i don't know how to reply to this.

"99% of time in cpmers daily routine is to talk shit about vq3. not the other way around. you poor bitter people. "

So, what are you doing right now then?

I'm terribly sorry to tell this one to you, but last DH didn't have all of the best CPMers signed up, you know.

sure.

you see,
this is what happens when the cpm king comes to vq3. like a cow in the slaughterhouse.

this is the best cpmer atm, right?

tard.

You. Are. Wrong.

keep trolling !

hell, i even linked the demos for the slow guys like you. that's what you get when you try to help someone.

i'm done here.

Watch this :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atI5SyXD070

Then find the practice demos with hal_9000 against fox (not the one you linked).

About the last dreamhack :

fox plays q3 since 262623 years, he is also one of the most talented quake player ever. He's kinda all around player. He plays duel/tdm, played some CA before etc... He is one of the top vq3 players. Ok.
Also, even though vq3 and cpm are different, good players switching from one to another, with decent amount of practice, can for sure make pretty good results in tournaments. There is still a lot of similarities between this 2 gameplay. Fox is a real pro player, when players like pod1, LuGia, etc are just amateur. They still play a lot of CPM, they are still good players, but compared to someone like fox, they are not consistent, they still lack experience and 'pro' practice. And if you look closer at the dreamhack results, you can still see than these players didn't get completly rapped by fox, even with less years of quake practice.
Also, real top CPM players are Vo0, rat, dziku and maybe hal_9000 etc... These players didn't show up for whatever reason. I'm almost sure that if they showed up, fox would have had hard times going to top3-5.

About Vo0 playing vq3 :

He still manage to place top8 at the GameGune. He still manage to play close matches against players like k1llsen or even Jibo. He still manage to beat players like draven etc... And keep in mind that he didn't really like vq3, he only played for competition. Also, there is more top players @ vq3 than in cpm, because there wasn't any ESWC/CPL for CPM, and these top players play, for the most part, since 25252 years :).
And you can't even imagine how frustrating it is for a player like Vo0 to adapt to something slower. That means that he has to slightly slower his game style... It's almost like asking cypher to play CS...

It's a pity rat doesn't play no more :< I like(d) his style a bit

rat was the best

not sure why you keep going on about hal, hes not won anything yet

Hal is awesome, it's as simple as that.
It's actually arguable whether rat was the best or not, although I remember that arqon's interview saying "Rat counts for two" :D

Hal's mouse control is interesting. It's very robotic and he's a demon on cpm22. However, he still has a long way to go in getting to that "awesome" status.

Well if you look at it in relative terms and compare his status to the status of the standart noob (like me), then you'll come up with a well-adjusted opinion that he actually is awesome.
:>

=P He definitely is awesome to spectate on cpm22! Looks like a robot.

Looks like an epileptic killing machine :E

Heh, not such accurate commentary. But you're entitled to your opinion.

Also I think what makes Vo0 so great in CPM is his CPM movement, rockets, and rail and his incredible knowledge of the game. He's strategically one of the best players on cpm3a and cpm1a, in my opinion.

Even though he hates cpm22, I would argue that Vo0 is also superior player on that map as well. His rail as well as his movement speed both help him greatly on this map.

Well, good point . [+]

The best dueler is vo0, at least some people agree with that. Although, of course, it might be someone else.
> like a cow in the slaughterhouse.
OH NOES HOW COME SOMEONE CAN LOOSE TO COOLLER IN A VQ3 DUEL.
You see, Cooller is the king of vq3 (or at least was). Vo0, as far as I know, never wore that title. So uhh this comparison is a bit incorrect.
And yes, you are truly just, indeed, to judge the best player in both gameplays by watching a single demo on 22.
With more people (including HAL, yes) signed in the tournament would've been slightly more difficult for anyone, even universal players like fox.
See what I did there?
Also, please note I haven't said a single word aganst vq3 and I haven't insulted anyone.

if youre not the one with the *CPM IS SUPERIOR TO VQ3!*, then i have nothing to talk about with you. that means you're a normal guy playing the mod you like and leaving it at thah. many cpmers here arent.

I think CPM is better. I might also play it just because I like it more or because it fits me more. This is my opininon, I don't scream that out on every forum.
I might think CPM is superior to vq3. Then again, vq3 is superior to CPM in terms of prize money (stupid example, but still). So this is pointless battle.

If CPMers beat all VQ3rs, would that mean CPM > VQ3? I don't really think it would and I don't think you would either. Your point that Fox beat a couple CPM players that just so happened to attend Dreamhack as empirical proof that CPM is some how inferior to VQ3 is a moot point.

Technically speak, exactly how is VQ3's design superior to CPM? It's definitely far less thought out, obviously, because LG is such a dominate weapon. The armor system is less sophisticated and pretty much leads to brain dead armor control (being able to pick up all armors that you come across). The weapon balance is for troglodytes with bad connections. Playing on LAN or low ping or with CPMA's superior netcode makes VQ3 play all hitscan. Since Zero4, who has use rockets in VQ3 as an aggressive weapon successfully? The game is borked and the only reason why it's still playable is that players have adapated to play the balancing issues. Best players in the world = those with the best hitscans (LGs/RGs).

Technically speaking, I would say VQ3 is inferior because it is simply a gameplay that has been adapted to over time. Whereas CPM has been adjusted and perfected over time to match the advances in 1) player knowledge, 2) hardware/software technology, 3) better overall latencies for all players.

historically all the skilled players played vq3 because that is where you could make a name for yourself and maybe money. the mod itself is not better but the players are

I absolutely agree... but people act like VQ3 players are inherently better. They are not. They just have played a 'historically' more serious mod.

These vq3 players play a game where money is on the line. CPM rarely has any tournaments and everyone plays (for the most part) for fun. It's the difference between someone how plays a game in their spare time and someone who spends 40 hours a week playing a video game.

If you really want to analyze this, you'd ask these top end vq3 players how many hours a week (on average) they've played these games versus how many hours a week cpm players play. You'd probably see that CPM players don't take the game half as seriously as vq3 players take vq3.

For an example of what a hardcore vq3 player looks like: look at yourself. Taking everything WAYYYY too seriously.

For an example of what a hardcore cpm player looks like: look at ahxnxa.

>look at ahxnxa.
Better look at his avatar, though.

yeah, vq3ers sure play 40 hours per week..

You dont see a second game ? Poor boy..

Mojno i na russkom :D

Demka, kotoruy ti ukazal v ssilke - eto pervaya igra, bilo eshe dve igri posle nee

<3

give to q2 another chance xD

.

"Am I going to fast for you?"

*too

:/

manly games only.. fuckin' A!

Every time you take a dip in the dm4 lava, a new hair grows on your chest.

meh, won't bother

would be nice to see a stream casting there.

Here's to saying vo0 won't show.

is vo0 playing video games? I guess he got a life :-)

Two best duel games in existance? life is sweet :p

I will probably have school during June. I live in US now and flying to Sweden might cost more than the actual prize money I could be winning!
But fuck I want to go cause I'm sad I didn't go last time cause I was here as well.
=8'[

Start taking donations. =)

you wouldnt be winning any prize money anyway!

So you're in Texas now, right? I live in Louisiana, so ping would be $$$$. You must give me CPM lessons ;)

Change map picking rules from previous Dreamhack!

Should be the usual player 1 picks map, player 2 picks map and then third happens from dropping all other maps in map pool (cointoss to decide who drops first).

agreed

agreed

cause it suits your motives? how lovely

what suits your motives?

best of 3 on cpm22?

loool

well yes, but last time the system worked well

nope:( we missed on on so many great potential matches

Awaiting Gellehsak's attendance decision.

no map drop rule plz!!!!

we need some cpm3 action

You mean we need some lazery attacks on cpm3?

maybe cpmers need to learn how to play more than cpm3. srsly, complaining that you cant have your favorite map when you are STILL way more familiar with the other FOUR. how many advantages do you want? removing maps has been standard now for 2 or more years

Why do you hate 3a so much? It's one of the more balanced maps. It's like saying you want to remove ztn or dm6 from the vq3 map pool. It's a classic map that has always provided interesting games.

22 is beyond crap, 15 and 24 are meh, 1a and 3a reign supreme

True. Amen.

i lol'd

1a suck

No, it doesn't :p

yes, it does

No, it doesn't :p

FO i'll rape you in 2v2

you should have said, "yes, it does"

nope

you miss the point, i dont care who wins, if fox or another vq3 player won then great

I just want to see players on their best maps so we can see their full potential, same for vq3 tournies

q2 q2 q2 q2

oh STFU about q2 allready, u wont attend even if u say so...


on the other hand....

GO M I L T O N

ut3 please >:D

FO TRAITOR!!!!!!!! xD

in your dreams maybe! :D
are there ANY people playing it? I haven't heard of any at least.

gotta love the "what i think > what you think" mentality here on esr

just be glad you asshats are getting any tourney at all

sigh

yes it does!

If you are thinking about going on a vacation to Sweden you should contact me. I am starting up a tourism business to the next winter season and I need some "practise people" for some weeks in the beginning. I am mainly going to run winter tourism(December-April). You can try snowmobiling(on/offtracks), skiing, downhillskiing(extra cost), iceskating and much more.
*Go to clubs : )
I will provide a house to stay in(sauna, minibar..). Rooms contain: Tv, computer, music system
Everything will be filmed during the visit so you will get a perfect memory. And the cost for "practise people" is going to be half or less of the original price. If you are a quakeplayer I might give a discount ;)
Contact me for more information at tourorganisersweden@gmail.com

:)
Wonder what I get for posting this.

/per

sounds like someone is starting an organized rape business

*hides*

quake2 plx !

wow, nice! dreamhack deluxe :)

where is q3?

It's there. Forgot to bring your glasses?

cpm != quake 3

qw is ok but we need moar camp!

cpm = quake 3.
not the kind of quake you're used to though!

i don't get it, man. why the hate?
IT'S JUST A GAMEPLAY PEOPLE LIKE TO PLAY AND WATCH.

just 'cause YOU don't like it doesn't make it inferior to vq3.

word up! :D

i like watch cpm sometimes, its cool, but missing my varourite vq3 LAN tournemant .) thats all, there is no hate

IS THERE GOING TO BE GTV TONIGHT?

Also, Vo0 vs. Fox on cpm3a plz.

fox bailed out, due to some reasons I can't remember atm.