Depends on what you want to hear. Ask here for the bad stuff and ask on the QL forums for the good stuff.

Well I've been playing quake 3 for quite a while now so my opinion will probably be correlated closer to that of ESR in general. People like to whine but are reluctant to compliment.

I like it, I am not super duper competitive any more, so I like the fact that I can go on and find a game or a duel pretty fast. The skill matching has been working for me, that that's probably because I am so shit now-a-days.

With regards to the game play, it's not that different to vq3, my cfg is pretty much the same and the rail is nerfed. lg feels like back in 2002, which I kinda like.

I haven't played that much, but I am assuming if there were servers in SA, it would be pretty much how SA is currently setup anyway, you'll be playing on 6 to 8 servers and see the same players and the same game modes.

That said, I very much doubt id is going to bother setting up any servers for SA, I mean there are a maximum of like 200 quake players, and probably only like 50 to 100 hardcore players. They won't make any money from advertising.

Yeah, I know it's a bit wishful to hope we'll get servers. Sucks though.

Quake has died down a bit here though. There's rarely a full CA server like back in the day and almost as rare to see top tier players active - only the occasional game between shase&phantom. And I only really started playing online since the servers switched to CPMA... Though I remember us playing an OSP promode game on CPM1a, heh.

Oh we played? Oh yeah did we play CPM maybe?

yeah, i was probably aliased as some variant of 'wortel van die kwaad' at the time, but i remember the game as i had one good frag in it which i used for my attempted frag vid at the time.

Well, if you want the compliments, look to the posts before QL came out. The basis of the game was sound, it just didn't get implemented correctly.

Why, what's wrong with it?

In my opinion, the weapon/armor balance is the biggest issue it has. Everything else was a ton of little things that simply add up to a sub-par game. Lack of CPMA/OSP features wasn't so bad at the start, but there are less and less people playing the game each day to wait for them.

A bigger issue is that if people do migrate to QL with these changes and the game dies, you can't play the game anymore since it's all through a browser. If it dies, we lose the new players QL has brought, and probably a good deal of Q3 players who no longer have faith in the game living since id won't make Q5 if QL fails.

Having a browser game is a great idea, but the game has to be at LEAST as good as what is already out there. In this case, it's still light years behind OSP/CPMA.

What is the problem with the weapon/armor balance? In theory at least it seems sound to me, and from playing CQ3 (which sounds quite alike) it is much better than VQ3. It's never going to be CPM and it shouldn't be, the armor system does not suit slower vanilla style gameplay. And which OSP/CPMA features are still missing? The only I know of that are of any importance are team locking and timeouts - which are hardly game-breaking.

It's in between VQ3 and CQ3, but sadly, you can't just change some values to be like CQ3 and simply have a better VQ3. The armor needs to protect more, at very least, just to keep up with VQ3. With how much they have bastardized the rest of the gameplay, I don't see why a tiered armor system would be such a big change at this point, though.

Features still missing would be GTV support, brightskins that don't suck, hud features, timeouts/locking, and I believe the model scaling is still forced. I know these arent game-breaking, but it adds up. Players are decreasing rapidly, and the wound needs more than band-aids.

1) Quality Control
Instead of trying to make sure only the best things from Q3 were included, they've just chucked it all in. Some of the maps from baseq3 are just shockingly poor from any perspective.

2) Natural Deathmatch Game Problems
Nothing has changed, it's just DM game mark X. That won't keep people around for long, as is proven by every DM game that's out.

Some of the maps from baseq3 are just shockingly poor from any perspective.

Like q3dm19. Worst map ever, even with the easter egg on it.

For me living in the Netherlands it's very much like the start of quake3 10 years ago (or quake 2 before that) all over again. Loads of servers, loads of active people. The only difference is that nowadays everyone (including myself) has a much better Internet connection, Meaning that lag really isn't much of a issue anymore

I mostly play ffa, tdm & ctf, and whats particularly nice is that you can just chose whatever game mode you feel like playing and there is always a full game running to join at any time of the day.

I have had some really great matches on quakelive, which bring back long lost memories of what hooked us all on this game in the first place. For example a couple of weeks ago I was playing a pub ctf game, and our team was doing really well, we were up something like 7-1 when suddenly some old ice-climbers member (ic-reptile) and a couple of his buddies joined the server on the opponents team. In no time they started making a huge comeback, until the clock ran out at 7-6. So on we go to the next map. Naturally somebody starts a shuffle vote, since it was quite clear that the teams were rather imbalanced. But surprise surprise we get about 4 no votes and the shuffle fails. No prizes for guessing where those votes came from. Now the gloves are off, if you are so desperate for a win that you only want to play with clearly imbalanced teams then bring it mofo's. So the game starts with everyone on our side determined to give our best. If we are going down, we are going down fighting. What follows is a epic game of ctf, where we miraculously manage to score a cap at about the 5 minutes mark and are able to hold them off for the remaining 15 minutes, winning the map 1-0. It's moments like that makes you wanna scream out, "in your face motherfuckers!" and leaves you with a smile on your face for the rest of the day.

that reptile guy seems like quite a cunt. glad you showed him some skills :D

is this the same reptile that once played cpma??

cool story, bro.

just to clarify the details (not to defend myself, just to inform you).. 'his buddies' was one player who happened to be on the server and on your opposing team.. if he wasn't already on the server i wouldn't even have joined in the first place, and why would i not join his team? :P and also, you know as much as anyone that people come and go all the time, especially at the end of a map.. so saying that the teams were the same before and after mapchange is just naive.. and who really cares anyway ~_~

and holy shit that huge map we played was horrible, i'm surprised the game ended 1-0 and not 0-0.. i was attacking solo vs 4 defenders for 20 minutes, each attack taking about a minute because i was constantly being forced to kill all the outgoing attackers on your team before reaching the railfest of a flagroom..

btw, what's a shuffle vote? i don't see the point in hinting i voted no to this.. but if you really wanna know, i didn't even pay attention to the vote nor did i vote :P

probably scornforge? with the huge wide open flagroom?

even i can turn around games on that map. just hit 50% rail, 35% LG and you're out with the flag.

lol, sif defend your actions on pub :p

Scournforge is fair terrible aswell.

:D

maybe you should have taken that railcrazy buddy of yours with you on attack sometimes. Anyway it was a enjoyable game

probably the most horrible experience i've had with quake since trying to play ra3 on a serious level, solely because of the map, gameplay and the fact that it was 6v6 :\ *shivers*

"and who really cares anyway ~_~"

And then you go and write 2 more paragraphs. Quality m8.

haha :D

heh :P but you kinda misunderstood what part i meant.. people randomly connect/disconnect left and right, would you care or expect anyone else to care to change team as soon as some guy that you've never seen before joins/quits when the number of players are even? :>

who really cares anyway ~_~

dumb fucks, that's who

bandwidth caps are so 2001

you should start joining a real country.

"I get one gig of international bandwidth a month"

christ where the hell do you live ?

nevermind.

And yet, Marty's last dev blog post was about how the next place to receive servers would be South America.

Server Locations
As you've probably noticed, we continue to add server locations where we feel the demand is high enough to warrant the expense. We're aware of the issues with the new servers in Sweden and Poland (from yesterday) and are working those out. The location near the top of our current list is South America and we're currently looking at partners to work with in that region. We also continually evaluate additional European locations, and know there is some additional demand in the Nordic territories.

SA = south africa in this case =D

OoOoOoOohhh my bad. Yeah good luck getting a server.

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why

WHY

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p.s. not even if we could convince an ISP to host it, free of charge?

Portugal? :P

hahaha

nice!!!

wasn't that somewhere in Asia?