I like this.

ok

nice ;)

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to be done
like...next year

15s weaponspawn is a must, but tl 15min is for serious matches only imo :o

- and TDM with tl 20mins
- and coaching
- and lock teams
- and something like GTV

yes, many things to do yet

while some of these changes are hard to do, 20 min tl in pro TDM should have been set as the standart with the birth of pro TDM.

well ok, it's already done. My bad.

and fkin pause!!!

Yes!!!!! Now I can give this game a chance!

i cant vote

Awesome, now all we need is timeouts and we're practically set. Oh, and yes, please make a pro Duel mode.

still missing 50 ammo for machinegun and timelimit 20 minutes

If only the mg actually dealt damage I'd agree

<3

Well, seeing this now I wonder even more why the fuck weaponrespawn time is still 5 on qzdm6 duel

Syncerror?

Dear CB TDM Admins:

http://www.quakelive.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26244

Thank you

Dear random user, we know.

Just joking m8 ;) dont get angry with me :(

niggah

haha

weapon respawn 30 ;) yeah
on pro servers should be lock and pause too, and at last tdm matches will be not as ffa as they are now.

i just saw 8 guys playing pro tdm on ztn
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Played a couple games on ztn with pro tdm settings : it sucked.
Too hard to get a weapon without being attacked by an ennemy :/

+ this!

good.

now how about adding mac support pls :>

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people cant whine about this, id are making QL better and better as time goes on.

actually in a pub setting with limited teamwork fast weapon respawn is a hell of a lot more fun.

Ofcourse with clans 30 second weapon respawn adds much more strategic depth, but 99% of the matches are pub anyway.

Imho these kind of settings should not be forced but callvotable.

There are two kinds of TDM servers, you still have a choice.

O RLY?

It was an oversight that 'pro TDM' wasn't running with timelimit 20. We've fixed this now. Over the course of today and tomorrow as servers spin up, they will now be started with timelimit 20.

Nice.

We had a clan game using the "pro" settings last night. Was really good except for the 15min tl. Will definately give it another go with 20min.

Cheers for update!

Enabling voting during a match would fit great in pro tdm servers. And that a kick would result in a minute or two temp ban.

edit: I think most of the players agree that 20 min timelimit is too much for public tdm. 15 should be fine. Just make it votable, so that clans could have their pcws with tl 20.

thank GOD!

you are welcome

shut up

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/me watches no one bat an eyelid at the name after years of people saying Promode was elitist and arrogant for using the word 'pro'.

cpmers arent trolls at all

no, they are hobbits

Though we like to think of ourselves as high elves

so you're gay hobbits who like to dress up as high elves?

I AM SKAVEN

LMAO so true ix. First thing i thought of when i saw the words "pro". Come on gillz where are u. You always whined about cpm having the name promode. Also I like how there isn't one complaint about having two separate modes for the same gametype.

I don't think there has ever been much negative feeling towards having seperate settings.

You must of missed all the people whining about how "QL ISN'T Q3" or how we cant have any new modes or gametypes cause it will split the community.

I wouldn't say it has been massive in regards to the issue I was replying to though, sure there has been some but I think generally people haven't been so bothered/don't care/want seperate public/casual settings and more competitive settings.

well ESR nowdays is #cpmpickup + Gillz and Jameiro

Only two steps away from perfection

Hey :(

yeah, i think it's a bad move as well. it also reinforces the false associations that the word "pro" has in gaming communities. it's a word thrown around left and right, yet doesn't mean anything. for example, people on servers have called me pro for example, and i'm just like 'what? no' each time. maybe it doesn't matter but i just think it's wrong to call a fish a trowel.

pfff of course pro is the proper word, have you not heard of the Green TD games for pro players only?

The days of elites and newbies were better in many ways ;)

yeah now it looks more like tdm than ffa !

but still need pauses , without matches sometimes are too problematic :s

4v4 tdm on ZTN with 30 sec wep respawn.............................................................GrrREAT
but other maps <3

if you play 4v4 on ztn you should get beaten with a baseball bat anyway... same for dm20

agreed, but it is going to happen frequently on pub servers

Fine I'll just go back to dm13.

do pro tdm servers have 10 slots as well by the way?

lol i fucking hope not

\callvote map qzdm16, then callvote the map you want and you get your 8 slot server :)

Man I guess I was one of the only players that didnt' mind the 15 minute timelimit. Between 2 close teams there was still a good match; and between a good team and a bad team the bad team got out of the pain a lot sooner.

Well, the last quad in 15minute round is worthless :o

Sure but 15-16 mins for tdm games, is pretty cool imo, quite intense and almost all games are decided by that time anyways. if its a tie you can always add an overtime period of 5 mins.

15-20minutes doesn't bother me all that much, but it does sometimes feel just a little too short.

I actually liked 15 min maps as well. I'm unsure, at this point, if many teams that trail at 15 minutes end up coming back by the 20 minute mark.

Maybe I'm in a minority but I feel ten minutes is fine for Duel as well.

its perfect, by that time there should have been plenty of times to have won the game. 15 minutes is way too much, especially when you play best of 3 matches a lot of the time. 15 mins just becomes dull and boring for duel.

15 minutes is the least amount of time that should be allocated for duels. It allows for comebacks, and it is far more exciting to watch and play. Playing a 10 minute duel which is decided by the first few spawns is fairly boring. That's why 15 minutes is the default for duels in competition.

"15 minutes is the least amount of time that should be allocated for duels. It allows for comebacks, and it is far more exciting to watch and play."

Yes, it allows for comebacks, but so does a 100 minute game. I think in theory, once we add all the pluses and minuses ten minutes has more benefits than fifteen.

My opinion. Nobody is wrong here.

"Playing a 10 minute duel which is decided by the first few spawns is fairly boring. That's why 15 minutes is the default for duels in competition."

I don't know how a ten minute duel can be considered more boring than a fifteen minute duel. In general, ten minute duels are less boring just for the sake of time, but the content of a duel is what we ultimately judge them by.

I still think the "few bad spawns" problem, is a legitimate argument.

hey man you don't understand. It was 15 minutes in quake 3, and therefore it must be 15 minutes in quakelive end of argument!!!111

I think that with good maps 10 min is enough. But on maps like dm6 and t6 where a good spawn can last for 7-8 minutes I dont think 10 is enough, but since its a map problem removing dm6 and t6 once there is better maps available would pretty much solve it.

well, it's an argument which won't have a concrete answer until there is a completely new map pool. at least on current vq3 maps like dm6, ztn, dm13, maybe not t4 however. after a bad start, and it's something that can happen much more often with some of the retarded spawns in this retarded spawn system; versus a good player, it can be impossible to come back in those next 9 minutes, as you need to steal control and get the frags back. i dont know the new maps well enough to tell you if it's the same story as dm6 ztn and dm13 though. but this could be remedied by a DECENT spawn system.

either way, my stance is that 20minutes for tdm is fine, i've seen and played in so many games where it's taken until the 19:50's mark to tie the game up to take it into overtime. It can take a while to recover sometimes. 15mins is good for the FFA of 12s weapon respawn, where it's very difficult to actually solidify any proper tactics as it's almost impossible to hold anything. the reason it's good for the 12wr, is because there's no room for proper tactics really, meaning that in the first 5 mins, if the game is close then it will end close, and if it is not close, it will end in the same fashion.

and this is my opinion :-0.

"Yes, it allows for comebacks, but so does a 100 minute game. I think in theory, once we add all the pluses and minuses ten minutes has more benefits than fifteen."

Yes, both 15 and 100 allow for comebacks, but 10 almost never allows comebacks, and which one would you rather play? 15 or 100?

"I don't know how a ten minute duel can be considered more boring than a fifteen minute duel. In general, ten minute duels are less boring just for the sake of time, but the content of a duel is what we ultimately judge them by."

for the sake of time? what kind of argument are you presenting here? 10 minutes is less boring than 15 minutes? how is this possible? please elaborate. and how can there be MORE content in a 10 minute game compared to a 15 minute game?

you arguments are all backwards, i'm unsure if u're being sarcastic with your post.

10 minutes is my preference for duel.

+1 for 10 minutes, mainly because it would allow for bo5 matches to be played in tourneys (from semi-finals or so onwards) in a reasonable amount of time.

I think if the weapon spawns are slower.. you need more time to actually do a comeback as well. So quite fine to have 20 on pro servers.

Going waaay back....but there was a brief CPL season where we had changed a few rules. One of those rules was a match was 3, 15 minute games. Why 15 min? Going from memory, but after reviewing many many demos the percentage a team that was leading at the 15 min mark would win the game was somewhere in the low 90's. There were always those awesome close games where the lead was see sawing back and forth, but overall if a team was leading by 20 frags at the 15 min mark it was a very good indicator the team would win at 20 min.

of course your not the only one, it's this vocal minority which whines about everything when it's not exactly like quake3 that seems to get what it wants.

if they really want to follow the peoples opinion on these matters they should do a poll on the quakelive website or something.

i really couldn't agree more.

the problem with your poll idea is that the vast majority of the quakelive community don't know anything about the competition, and that's what we're talking about here. :E it's the exact same reason why democracy never truly works, here in the UK, there is nothing in the school syllabus on state politics. which is pretty sad as it does nothing to help the ignorance of the public, who supposedly have the power in a democratic system.

Good... but where are the team locks?!

*unzips*

just great, back to the camp camp camp style...

Better than pium-pium-pium style :>

linux support :<

mac support :)

idiots...

Lets hope CB add this for the play offs. I guess they cant add it sooner since theres always some lame fuck complaining about how unfair it is that something happened one way or the other.

<3 azmo

:)

i think "protdm" is nice as well, but cb is right.

the new teams got no experience at all with these 'new' settings, it really is unfair towards them having only practiced and played with the current settings

no need to give us old q3'ers even more of an advantage than we already got over new people

One solution would be to let the clans of every division vote separately. But that sounds like way too much work for someone doing it voluntarily.

Next week onwards it's proTDM.

That decision will probably be reversed... sad.. ppl are complaining about it on the cb site...

damn..

omfg hell no !

i kinda don't want 30 second weapons spwans, since the weapon balance in QL is awful, and the damages the guns make completely negates the incentive to control a weapon spawn...

kinda bad planning by ID. according to their track record - well, they're right on track.

wouldnt "comp-tdm" be better than "pro-tdm". the latter does sound a wee bit silly tbh u no

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