deathmatch_formula -> quake_live = *(current_formula + 1)

heh:D

you forgot the ";" :p

Or if you are last, you randomly get uber powerups to compensate.

Such as a star that makes you invulnerable and makes your gauntlet instagib, or a lightning bolt that turns all other players into slow mini versions of themselves, which if stepped upon, kills them!

I'm writing this down this is a great idea.

who knows maybe youll come up with a game with these things in a near future :)

Yeah, it's called Mario Kart Wii or Super Smash Bros. Brawl.

Druken Mario Kart 64 with 4 friends = best game ever

:D :D :D

Drunken Smash Bros. is bestest, any version

Haven't played it yet, actually. :(

Until then, however, I'm reserving the top spot for Mario Kart. ;D

You've never played a smash bros. game? Seriously? It's retarded fun. Retarded comebacks and crazy ownage are to be had by all in those games.

No. I only had the original NES growing up, the N64 for like a year, and the Wii for about 6 months.
Most of the time was straight Mario games, with the occasional venture into multiplayer with GoldenEye and Mario Kart.

Wow, that's kinda sad. I'd go pick up a Wii again just for SSBB (Super Smash Bros. Brawl). It's just a retarded fun game to screw around and play with friends.

Had to sell it a few months ago to pay some bills. :<

Maybe for Christmas, tho. :D :D :D

Perhaps. It's just damn fun.

does the perspective change?

This was actually done in Q3 Threewave CTF, by awarding the down team with a 'sympothy quad'.

I actually think a more newbie friendly game mode would be healthy for Quake Live. The Starcraft and WC3 popularity is much thanks to its healthy amount of newb friendly modes, be it "Big game hunters", "Fastest map possible", "Tower Defense" or "Dota". Of course, some of those do not have much in common with the original game but as they attract so many new players it works as a gateway into the rest of the game.

also item shops and crits

recipe items plz

plz let's not get ridiculous

runes, jewels and skulls plz.

Holy shit, I read that as "rules and jews." lol
I need more coffee. :<

what a stuck up nerd you are..
no wonder you force yourself to use linux

idd

Offer SOJ? KEKEKEKEKEKEKEKKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKKEKEKEKEKEKKEKEKEKEKEKEKKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEK

get the dude from resident evil 4 to sell guns


"What are you buying...?"

Uh a fucking rail gun as normal you pie

I think that wouldn't help much. Most newbies are too busy with aiming/fighting, they barely look at the hud and they wouldn't be able to take advantage of the additional information.

Pointers that arent integrated in the hud would work better, though I think pointers aren't really needed.
There are so many newbs out there, I'm sure that they play often vs someone of the same skill.

Think the current 'new' players first need an attitude change to appreciate QL.

They give up really soon / disconnect if somebody hit 2 rockets in a row / just keep playing if it is 6on2 (not even the teams) / Only play spacemaps / Don't take pointers from other players anyway and last but not least think they can win everything from the start.

I think you need another mindset to play QL.

Mayb QL should try to give more pointers / don't reward stupidness and penalize constant disconnecting.

These 'new' players have been babied horribly with the games that they've grown up with. Games are way easier and way more forgiving now than they were 15-20 years ago. It's just a fundamentally different generation of gamers. They're not used to having to actually be skilled at gaming.

and i can really see why.. they want a game not a job

It's not about turning your hobby into a job, it's about actually being decent at what you like to do. There are easy, medium, hard difficulty settings for a reason and for quite some time the medium difficulty setting has resembled something that should be super-retarded easy as opposed to something that is even remotely challenging. A lot of these younger gamers just aren't willing to "work for it" like other gamers who appreciate the challenge. If you can't handle the game, then bump it down to easy, that's what its there for.

then again, a lot of older games were uber short and to make them last hours made them extremely hard so you had to replay the same levels over and over and over. Although I do agree games have gotten a bit too easy now. I usually always choose the hardest difficulty in games now.

I'd like to see something for tier 1 and 2 servers, maybe when quad is about to come up have a message come up for everyone saying Quad is about to spawn.

Stuff would need to be removed on Tier 3 servers though, since the rankings aren't 100% perfect, decent players can find themselves a tier 3 in certain modes.

Then they'd have to know where the quad spawns. If they already know where the quad spawns why don't they ever go there to get it? If they don't know even roughly how often it comes around then they don't have a basic grasp of time or patterns.

I'm not really sure how much information you can convey simply to someone who doesn't understand basic spatial awareness, the concept of linear time or basic pattern recognition.

The QL mg and sg pretty much take care of the quad anyway since it becomes virtually impossible for one guy to run it in a full DM server so it ends up getting dropped and then some noob picks it up, rinse and repeat.

Exactly.

Quake is not that hard a game and the "new" players aren't that stupid to begin with and the sg is overpowered and breaks tdm :E

> the sg is overpowered and breaks tdm

so fucking true :(

We went from lg&rail to sg&rail :/

Weirdest thing of all, I posted about it on the ql boards and it apparently felled on deaf ears.

Well, we've gone all the way back to "OSP" TDM, except worse. It's even more rail based since it's incredibly difficult to hit under 35-40%.

Aye :D

ql feels like a baseq3/ra3 hybrid

At least dm14 wasn't a custom map...

Yeah, and pub tdm, which could be an awesome waste of time, fucking blows nowadays. I have had better matches on k-play.de (rip) and the corbina.ru servers hahahahahahahahahah

Ql "pro" (lol) servers, cess/ass fest FFA


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*last ninja beer for breakfast edit*

It's not even fun :E

I have had better matches on k-play.de (rip)

ye so true ql pub tdm is horrible most of the time

make the clan tag in the profile clickable, which leads you to the clan profile page, with the list of players / clan info or smthn.

very good idea. One that I've already been wishing for, when I was trying to compare a couple of clans (for my own amusement) just a couple of months ago, but there's no way to do that.

MORE CLAN SUPPORT PLZ! Clan roster/profile/history etc. I wanted to guesstimate who'd win in a TDM between KM and DFM.
.. yeah, I get bored. Sue me.

no, it makes sense, as i said, its useful info, and i'm sure its pretty easy to implement.

Been waiting for such a thing myself:(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaBo5eHEkeY&feature=related

We need Headshots !

And also Wallshots !

and vehicles

does vehicles include bikes?

BIKE CTF

re: aqua: Seriously though, you're selling the noobs short.

and redeemer then !

You get better at anything by first making the decision that you want to get better and then finding other people who are better than you and seeing what they are doing to make them better. You then apply this information to your own actions.

IMO noobs in QL don't want to get better, they just don't want other people to be as good.

Even the worst player in the world if he genuinely was sick of being owned could do the following, all of which would take less than 10 minutes:

1) Realize that armour gives you an advantage
2) Load up a practice map, pick up an armour and see how long it takes to respawn
3) Go back into FFA server and try to pick up armours using this information

Even doing something as simple as that would probably take a bad player a couple of places up on a similar skill level of server. So basically anyone terrible can't put in 10 minutes of mild effort to get better.

In summation: fuck idiots who won't even invest minimal effort in improving their own situation. Don't waste time figuring out how to nerf everyone else's advantages to compensate for them being lazy idiots.

I can't work out why scrubs even play games like Quake since they obviously don't enjoy the actual game (let alone comprehend it) and the game they do enjoy seems to be about losing, lots.

That said I think some elements could aid those who do want to improve, to improve quicker straight off the bat.

I fail to see any negatives to some of these proposals:
- Arrows leading to items
- Radar with item & team mate locations

In CTF we have arrows showing the different routes/directions to each base, it wouldn't be a drastic addition, although I can see it being tricky to implement cleanly.

A Radar showing locations isn't exactly a big addition, we already have the team overlay (Which has brilliantly labled locations!), is it such a big change?

warsow and UrT have something like that so its definately possible, but in a fast and hectic game, its not like u have lots of opportunites to look at it.

you do realize your argument is idiotic?

Please elaborate.

"IMO noobs in QL don't want to get better, they just don't want other people to be as good."

How isn't that accurate?

It's the same shit in any competitive activity.

you can't say everyone who's new to a sport doesn't want to get better. maybe it's the process of 'getting better' that's boring and uninspiring?

Well, people are lazy, and even more so in the younger generation. People expect their whole lives getting served on a silver plate and it's no different in online gaming.

Sure, you could introduce alot of special powerups for newbies, but would that really make it easier for them to improve in the disciplines of the game that really matters? A simple "solution" when it comes to games between a pro gamer vs a newbie is to turn extreme handicap on - but will that really help?

Do we really need these players at all, considering 99,9% of them won't bother getting good enough to really compete anyway?

let's see.. the disciplines that really matter: aim, movement, tactics, timing. learning one of these is boring as crap.

and just to add, getting new players interested might not be of such importance for games like qw that have a very strong albeit small number of devoted players. in the context of quake live it's more or less the only important thing for the game's survival.

You have three types of player:
- The Newbie
- The Scrub
- The Player

Everyone begins as a newbie and after learning the rules and nuances of the game they progress to either being a Scrub or a Player.

A Player is someone who genuinely enjoys the actual game and strives to be the best they can be. The majority of people on this site are true Players.

A Scrub is someone who doesn't genuinely enjoy the actual game but creates artificial rules to prevent "cheap" tactics from playing a role and doesn't want to improve.

The Scrub constantly seeks to remove these elements from the game (Cheap tactics are basically anything that allows you to win). How many posts in forums or whine on servers have you seen about "Camping" or "Powerup Timer" et cetera.

Most people, in all multiplayer games seem to be scrubs.

Even in games like Quake 3 you have people whining about "+back", "all def" and about not cessing the "primary area" in TDM (lol at losing when the other team gave you the "primary area" for free)

These people will improve in some basic raw skills and have the benefit of experience but they will become good because that would be "cheap".

whining about tactics is ridiculous in any sport. only such whine could make sense in a pure fun mod like ra3 where if people resort to +back all rail game it stops being fun, but that is the flaw of the game not the player.

whining about item timing is a different matter imo. doing stuff like adding numbers in your head while doing tactical thinking/aiming is just not fun for most people.

You don't have to do maths to time, scrubs don't even think people do they just know that players go to Quad when it spawns every time and think it's cheap.

come on, you know you have to time with a timer to be anything close to competitive in a duel. as far as pub tdm ffa goes I guess the quad is the only thing you actually have to time, but on a higher level other items need to be timed as well.

Scrubs don't get to higher levels of play and they are unwilling to appreciate the depth it adds to the game.

People on higher levels of play understand that items need to be "timed" and generally don't have a problem with it. If they do it's because they think it's boring and that some other system could be better.

Also, you don't need to use the clock timer to compete, at least quite a few of the top duelers only time one, possibly two items on a map.

"Also, you don't need to use the clock timer to compete, at least quite a few of the top duelers only time one, possibly two items on a map."

ok, we've been trough this. they TIME IT WITH A CLOCK.

They don't all use a clock for every item though and often it's just the MH.

so you agree that they use clock to time items. we're making progress now.

It's irrelevant to my point anyway, scrubs don't care how or why items are timed.

I guess we're arguing two different points here. my point is that you get all this scrub whine since the game itself promotes it. people don't see the opportunity or a way to get better and they whine about ludacris crap like "cheap" tactics.

if you've ever trained an actual sport you know there's not nearly as many scrubs around. one of the reasons might be that videogames aren't percieved as a real sport, but that's another issue altogether.

Well it occurs in all games, check out fighting games for example scrubs hate players who just do "cheap" moves and not "skillful" combos et cetera.

I think it's because sports are much simpler/more obvious in what they are, people don't seem to understand computer games and see them more as interactive movies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVmc5ZepdVs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2FdjP60FO0

Mahvel baybee!!

fuck i hate MvC2 so much!

Ironically a few months after this video at the recent devastation tourney tourney. I suspect evo won't be much difference.
http://splicd.com/ty7VUjGiGoA/183/209

Street Fighter IV
1. Justin Wong (Rufus, Abel)
2. John Choi (Ryu)
3. Ed Ma (Akuma)

Street Fighter III: Third Strike
1. Team Empire Arcadia (Justin Wong, Ricky O, Emphy Naps)
2. Team Ken I (Ken I, kobebryant24, Gootecks)
3. Team YJDK (Watts, ComboFiend, Said3S)

Marvel vs Capcom 2
1. Justin Wong
2. THE CHUNKSTA!
3. ruin

Tatsunoko vs Capcom
1. Justin Wong
2. Marn
3. Yaris

That justin wong :)
Silly Niggaz.

How do you time with a clock, I dont get it, do people have some kind of special clocks that says hi every 25 seconds or?

You have a clock on top of or on the side of your screen that counts down from 25 if you click a pedal with your feet. A simple construction that helps greatly.

Lol, people spend so much time thinking about ways to cheat :)

imo, its simply deathmatch style gametypes that turn noobs off. before you can even start to play the game properly, you need to understand lots of different stuff and make several moves around the map picking up items.

CA is perhaps the most noob friendly gametype (?) but then even that has a considerable noob unfriendly ness to it, ie, all the rocket jumping.

Whats needed are easy to play gametypes where you can just get into the action straight away and get frags easily... if that means you pros occassionally get fragged by a lucky noob so be it..

what a mess. some things people wrote i disagree with, some not and some i'm not even sure what to make of.

it has got almost nothing to do with strategy or timing, that's a small piece of the skill puzzle. the major part of video game skill comes from (fine) motor skills, not strategy. i mean if it was really about timing and strategy, then all top players would be doing is watching demo's all day and memorising their 'item tables'. not to mention there are studies which show this.

fact is, the way people have to practise is horrible unless you start right from the beginning of the games release, as you have to put up with an incredible amount of losing. there aren't many domains of professionalism which work like that, with maybe the slight exception of sparring but which is rarely fully competitive and is much more targeted at individual skills.

if mid skilled players had to play high skilled players all the time, they would quit at the same percentage as newbies quit.

adding these sort of features would hardly make a difference.

slightly offtopic but it annoys me big time that id said that a new dev blog with a lot of infos was coming at the end of the week but now its tuesday and nothing was posted.