smoother than crt?
i call bullshit!

well it's not bullshit if i have it right here infront of me is it

its bs, unless u play with 1600rez.I belive u its a great monitor and ure maybe just overexcited, but its not better than crt which has grille pitch from 0.21> and no lcd can be sharper than this besides that I think it can perform 800x600 @ 160hz.And not to mention that refreshing is way different at crt than it is at lcd so u cant compare just like that...

I don't really see what's wrong with 1680x1050 over 1024x768 tbh

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I forgot

How did you test the input lag?

look at the pics :P

Is that really an accurate test?

yes ofcourse it's accurate

NO it's NOT
http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1737141#pid1737141

+ Exposure time: 1/60 sec is not enough

i took like 10 photos, i also have about 15, they all look EXACTLY THE SAME... it's 0ms as far as i'm concerned.

READ that comment in that thread and try that method
tbh it looks like samsung has less input lag even judging by this failtest
http://nvc.x10hosting.com/images/vx2268/DSCF0187.JPG
cant you notice? :D

ok i will give that a go tonight mate, sorry if i sounded abit annoyed ^^ that screenshot is weird indeed

With his eyes!

Nice job nvc, I hope to see more details soon.

I also find the bitter esr retards hilarious. Maybe if you didn't spend so much time on here, replying to every thread with the same shit over and over, you would be able to hone your gamer skills and have no need to be envious of nvc.

Thanks for the review :)

You said you had tried the 2233RZ as well, a quick thought on those two compared?

Exactly what Kirsebaer said...

well i didn't have the oppertunity to test the 2233rz in quake, i spent 30minutes on the kustompc stant at a lan event in the UK - and they only had COD4... but luckily i have cod4 here too and i can atleast say that it is smoother than the 2233rz, at times the 2233rz felt stuttery (both had fps locked to 125)

Although here i have a custom config, there i only set 125max in console and nothing else

I would definately recommend this monitor over the samsung though since i cannot say anything bad about this monitor aside from the fact that it cannot run 120hz in non-native resolution, only 75hz... maybe this is a driver issue i don't know since i've installed them and it's the same

If it's not able to run on 120hz on other resolutions than 1680x1050 then I am not interested anymore. That's a big no-no for me. Please find out cause I am this close to buying a new monitor.

You can play 120hz on other resolutions, but you have to force it in your graphics card drivers

How do you force it in the graphics card driver ? :x I have no idea how to do it and my computer cant handle the game in r_mode 21 :<

U can use nvidia scaling, so any resolution you want will be scaled to 1680x1050@120hz

what he said. ati has sth similar.

How does that work? Does it not look weird or ugly when it scales 800x600 or 1024x768?

in no way weird or ugly. the interpolation is even better than most monitors' interpolation. here's a picture of what i mean.

what it does is simply scaling. it interpolates the 800x600 (or whatever resolution you play) to the monitor's native resolution (1680x1050@120hz) without any performance loss or weird shit going on. i'm not an expert, but i assume that this even causes lower input lag, since the monitor doesn't have to interpolate.

hm.

i have a samsung 226bw(NR: 1680x1050) and im using the custom resolution 1400x1050 to get a 4:3 picture with bars on the side.

is there a method i can actually use 800x600 correctly scaled to the 1400x1050 frame, so that its a 4:3 picture that does not get stretched?

mh, might be that i just have to do what you posted in that screenshot...

cause as of now 800x600 just delivers a really stretched picture in quake live, thats why im using that weird high resolution

not if you're running vista or win7 tho
the scaling is broken in the 18x and 19x series drivers - sucks bigtime because now i'm stuck with my 1920x1200 for every game (since i'm only playing cpm lately it doesn't really matter because i'm running it at the native res but other games - cs for example - don't work in anything higher than 800x600 and my monitors (samsung syncmaster 245b plus) built-in scaling is just utter shit)

that's what's supposed to do the scaling (screenshot from an old version on my old XP where it used to work):


screenshot from w7 with the latest driver 190.62 where it asks you to apply - then if you want to keep the settings and then it resets it to "use my monitors built-in scaling":


and then you end up with this:


on XP it worked just fine - sadly i switched to win7 x64 but that's sort of the only problem i have with it - 500/1000Hz mouserates work just fine etc

Just create a custom resolution in the nvidia control panel , I got this monitor on thursday also and eventually stumbled across the custom resolution section
Managed to get 1024x768@120Hz didn't see any problems.
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I contacted viewsonic and heres what they sent back

Thank you for contacting ViewSonic E-Mail Technical Support.

I understand you have an inquiry with the resolution of your unit. I will be glad to assist you with your concern.

Please be informed that 120Hz will only work on the specified resolution. If you lowered the resolution of the unit and used the 120 refresh rate it might damaged your unit. I would recommend to follow the specification guidelines of your unit to prevent further issue.

If you have other technical concerns or questions, feel free to email us back and we will be glad to assist you.

Thank you for giving us the opportunity to assist you and for supporting ViewSonic.


Sincerely,

Francis
ViewSonic Customer Service
(800) 688-6688 (USA)
(866) 463-4775(Canada)

Whats your xfire nvc?

OH MY GOD YOU TRIED LOW RESO, YOUR MONITOR WILL BURN NOW, HIDE!

Why couldn't it be smoother than CRT.. on CRT horizontal refresh rate ( =scan rate) isn't equal to the vertical refresh rate (to which is normally referred when talking about refresh rate). This causes visible screen tearing on 100hz&100fps f.e. LCD doesn't suffer from that, that's the good part in them.

verticle is 120.3 and horizontal is 131.1

I'm temped to buy it now but I also want to see how the Asus VG242H turns out.

Thief stolen from hardocp
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1432248&page=2

By: Laccolith
Ive upgraded from a some Hyundai 5:4 19" LCD to this one and everything about this monitor is better then my previous one so far. As soon as I plugged it in and moved the mouse around I noticed the difference. The difference was even more noticeable after a session of TF2.

It doesn't seem to have any of the problems I've read the VX2265wm had, namely the inability to change the brightness in 120Hz mode. It also does have a pretty slick OCD allowing you to change all settings like colour, brightness, contrast and sharpness that the previous model didn't have.

The only downside for me is the flimsy stand, I may even replace it. It is very wobbly and even typing seems to cause it to wobble side to side. Its like a nodding dog, once it starts wobbling it takes awhile to stop.

Here are a few pictures I took with a rubbish camera.





Regarding input lag, I haven't noticed any and I'm not sure if its just the running at 120Hz but TF2 felt more responsive then my old monitor. I've never played on a CRT, atleast recently, so I would not really know how it compares.

I tried putting it in clone with my old monitor but had to downscale the new monitor to 1280x1024 and down to 60Hz so it may be incorrect but using this all the pictures had the same number. But the vx2278wm looked like it was a just a little bit faster(maybe because of its faster response time) because some numbers were solid green on it and slightly coloured on the L90D+, so its atleast as fast as a Hyundai L90D+.

wobbly stand: the samsung 2233rz also suffers from this. i bought a new stand of ebay (the mounting holes on the backsides are VESA normed, thank god) which is a lot more flexible and stable and even looks better.

NvC, or anyone else for that matter.

How would I get this model in North America?? it seems only the vx2265 is available to order online in North america! Does Misco.co.uk ship internationally?? I will NOT settle for that back light issue. Please respond asap as I want to order this right away!! I need to get this specific model

Yeah good question I want this monitor but I can't find it anywhere in USA either.

- vx2268 has a crappy stand since they added the ability to lean it forward and backward, so if you have a wobbly table it will suck4u

i can't believe the 120hz brightness thing is fixed now, but yet they still leave a fucking crappy wobblying stand? What now? Wait more for the ASUS featuring a titanium stand with the 120hz brightness problem again?

dumb technology

Nemecel, so your sayin that the newer vx2268 has an even CRAPPIER stand than the vx2265 because of the ability to bend it back forth? I guess that makes it even more flimsy?? wow thats brutal.

Yah i was gonna ask about that ASUS one, any word on release date? I hope it doens't have the brightness issue as well!

I quoted nVc that owns one, and he says the stand is still crappy and wobbles like the 2265. I stated that every single company selling 120hz monitors fails to deliver stands that aren't crap, and that ASUS will most likely have the OSD brightness problem if they fix the stand, so we will never have a 120hz monitor with both fixed stand and without the brightness problem anytime soon.

I have a vx2265 and the only way the stand is wobbly is if you have a really shitty unbalanced table. Mine never "wobbles" while typing or any other general/gaming use.

in my experience you're lucky to find a panel with 0ms input lag

i'd take the viewsonic whilst they are still using the same panels :)

I know it sucks, they all save costs on the stand, because the mass doesnt look at this when buying.
But it really isnt a big probleml, because you can replace it with any VESA stand you like? I want one that is adjustable in height anyways (why is everyone looking down at their monitor?).

Swedish review of the 2233RZ from prisjakt.nu (like newegg)
I can translate 90% of it, but there are a few words I'm not sure of, so perhaps a swede would be so kind to translate it? :)

Gör ett tillägg på mitt omdöme tillsvidare.
Har nu haft två skärmar som haft samma fel.
Både visar linjer på vänstersidan av skärmen vid 120hz.
Fixar Samsung detta problemet så gäller tidigare omdöme.
Båda skärmarna kommer ifrån komplett.

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Jag köpte den utan 3D-kit.
Första intrycket är bara WOW när man kör spel i 120hz.

Kräver lite tweak i olika spel för att få det att fungera bra men överlag är det bara tuta och köra.
Skärmen klarar även av fler frekvenser upp till 120 hz, 60, 75, 85, 100, 110 och 120hz.

Standard inställningarna på skärmen var inte direkt bra, färgerna gick förbättra enormt.
Betraktningsvinkeln är helt okej för att vara en TN panel.

Varför inte 10 av 10?
Skärmen har lite blåaktig svarta.
Lite BLB i mitten av skärmen, ner och upp till.
Foten på skärmen var lite lurig att få på plats och går enbart att vinkla bakåt.

Spelar du mycket spel och vill komma nära CRT känslan igen är detta skärmen för dig.

Well, since no one has done the work, I guess I have to try

(the guy gave it 3 out of 10 in this review)

I'm adding some regarding my previous rating.
I've now had two screens with the same error.
Both show lines on the left side of the screen at 120hz.
If Samsung correct this problem, then my previous rating stands.
Both monitors were bought at Komplett
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I bought it without the 3D-kit
The first impression is just WOW when you play in 120hz

It demands a bit tweaking in some games, before it works perfectly, but otherwise it's just working.
The screen can handle more frequencies up to 120hz, 60, 75, 85, 100, 110 and 120hz.

The standard settings on the screen aren't exactly great, the colours got improved vastly.
The viewing angels are fine enough for a TN panel.

Why not 10 out of 10?
The screen has a little blueish black.
A little BLB (back light bleeding) in the middle of the screen, from down and upwards.
The foot on the screen was a bit (not sure what lurig means), to get on and it can only bend backwards.

If you are playing a lot and want to get close to the CRT feeling again, then this screen is for you.

well done!

i wouldnt be able to translate danish that well :P

överlag = overall btw

Hehe, thank you =)

I just got the vx2265 at Tigerdirect because they have a 30 day back guarantee. As expected my model's brightness is locked at full at 120hz. I compared it with my other mointors, its nice and vivid but I have to agree its too bright and whites are harsh on the eyes. Using notepad or something is brutal on the eyes. The stand, although cheaper is not an issue. Like others have said, if you have a solid desk you will not have an issue at all. I could care less about the stand, the monitor looks fine enough for me. I'd like to try the 2233rz the fact that it has a reported higher input lag time than the viewsonic doens't sit well with me. Yah im sure its negligible, but as a gamer it doens't give me peace of mind.

I called to ask if the vx2268 would be available in North America the guy said there didn't seem to be any plans yet. He didn't seem to know anything to be honest, he also though my vx2265 would have "updated bios" that would fix that backlight issue but he was obviously wrong. I might call them again. basically I have 25 days to decide whether or not I want to keep this monitor, or trade it up towards the 2233rx (which is 80 dollars more).

i measured the effective input lag (pixel response time + input lag combined) of the 2233rz and got results between ~2.5ms and 4ms. considering nowadays' pixel response times, this is pretty amazing in my opinion. i cannot confirm nvc's subjective opinion that the 2233rz somehow feels a little odd or unsmooth.

also, the 2233rz has a vesa-100 mounting on the backside, so you can use a different stand if you don't like the one that comes with the screen.

Can you change the brightness at 120hz mode with the 2233RZ? What about other options in the OSD?

Yes you can change the brightness at 120hz. Other options? What exactly do you have in mind? I'm not missing any options in the OSD... Well maybe an aspect ratio control.

can colours be adjusted? to calibrate the monitor
contrast adjustable?

I dont see any reason to go for the ViewSonic if the 2233rz also has minimal (0 is never possible) inputlag. I like the design of Samsungs frame alot more.

can colours be adjusted? to calibrate the monitor
contrast adjustable?

yes

So, you're recommending the 2233rz over the vx2268wm? I am considering to buy one of these monitors and I am tending to buy the latter. Could you give me a brief list of the Pros and Cons of your Samsung? :)
Thanks in advance, Mr. Biberbruder.

I cannot recommend the 2233rz over the vx2268wm, since I never had the chance to get my hands on the latter one. Pros and cons? Here you go:

Pros:
- CRT like gaming with no noticeable input lag
- fine OSD
- low power consumption (35W with my brightness settings)
- colors, once adjusted properly, are pretty accurate

Cons:
- Wobbly stand sucks a lot (monitor has VESA-100 mounting-holes on the back, which make it easy to get a proper stand -> ebay)
- No aspect ratio / image scaling options in the OSD (but this can easily be controlled with the graphics driver)
- viewing angles could be better

Altogether I'm very happy with the screen and recommend it. Anyhow, I'm curious to see the first 120hz LED backlight monitors :o

Out of curiosity, what are your colour settings? And what graphic card are you using with it?

brightness: 58
contrast: 78
color tone: custom
color control: R:48 G:34 B:15
gamma: mode 1
sharpness: 24

graphics card is an ati radeon 4670 ultimate

Weird that it only affects some ATI cards. What brand is yours?

What are you referring to?

Brand is Sapphire

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1759370
http://www.rage3d.com/BOARD/showthread.php?t=33950739
http://forums.amd.com/game/messageview.cfm?ca...erthread=y

The third link is down.

BTT: I have a Saphire 4870. Does that mean I will get the same problems or is that something only a few have troubles with?

I'm not sure what the problem is. I love my monitor but I'm seriously thinking about buying a nvidia card. For one thing, even if I RMA the monitor or graphic card, I bet they wont find any problems and just return them. I also have a company to run, and I can't afford to be without a stationary pc for that long. Second of all, I don't get any options to scale the resolution with the drivers and I've tried four different now from CAT 9.7 to 9.10.
Third, nvidia users seem to get 60, 75...up to 120 hz for all resolutions, but I only get 60, 100, 110, 120 for the native resolution. Anything else and it's 60hz.

It seems like a lottery.

Third, nvidia users seem to get 60, 75...up to 120 hz for all resolutions, but I only get 60, 100, 110, 120 for the native resolution. Anything else and it's 60hz.

btw i just realized (you may have already done so) but gpu scaling seems to not work in windows 7 the version of windows you are currently using. did you try xp/linux yet?

You were right! Christ...scaling was the culprit. I got it re-enabled and enabled LCD overdrive as well, and now I can use 120hz! Holy shit all the things you have to go though, to get it to work. Thanks again for making me investigate :)

Looks like I celebrated a bit too early. As soon as the LCD overdrive window was removed, the blinking started to come back. I opened LCD overdrive again and the picture was perfect again...it seemed. From time to time it would show a slight blinking but it wasn't a lot. But even with LCD overdrive running in the background, it's not possible to play. At least I think I've found the culprit or one of the major reasons at least. Now ATI just need to fix it.

You might wanna check out these settings in CCC:

http://i37.tinypic.com/2m4btzd.jpg

Tried changing any of them? What you see on the screenshot are my settings.

Yep...I've changed all of them. Going to try Cat 9.3..

Somehow I doubt that changing the Catalyst will resolve anything. It'll be much more interesting to know whether the problem is hardware or software caused. As zealot suggested, the next logical step would be to try Windows XP. If that doesn't work either, RMA the card.

I made a thread on Anandtech as well.
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?...erthread=y

I getting curious, what OS do you have and is it 32 or 64bit? And what version of Catalyst? And do you only have 120hz in the native resolution?

I'm on win7 RTM x64, Catalyst 9.3. I tried Catalyst 9.9, but the only difference I'm noticing there is that there were options like scaling added to the menus which don't work. Therefore I downgraded to 9.3.
On native resolution, I get 60, 100, 110 and 120hz.

Thanks! Sounds really good. Damn... I need to get more reviews -_-

I still can't get 120hz on anything but native without some bug

ATI: scaling options removed from newer drivers but available in the old ones.
Problem: The entire screen is forced to windowed size e.g. 800x600

Nvidia: scaling option is bugged for maintain aspect ratio.
Problem: You can only scale to fullscreen and this distorts 4:3 resolutions

Tried on xp and win7 but with xp I can't even make the monitor drivers for 120hz work... :(


edit: on the viewsonic

With the newest driver and some of the older ones, I believe you have to set windows resolution to be lower than native, and then enter ATI scaling options. You should be able to select the aspect ratio setting you want to then. I can't remember whether you have to reboot after you select a lower resolution, but you can find the info on ATI's forum if it doesn't work right away.

I tried it before and it would still not scale, just keeps windowing my entire display..

Have you got it to work? I wonder why I can't force 120hz on anything but native with xp, it just won't work at all.

If i try to create a custom res in nvidia with 120hz it just says my display doesn't support it x_X

Maybe I'll need to remove that EDID pin..

Yes, I got scaling to work. You won't get 120hz to work in anything but native though, as that's a driver problem, but hopefully within a month or two they'll have it fixed. I've waited two month or so now, so I can't believe they are that far from a fix

Ye, I think ATI scaled properly until I set 120hz

I've been waiting a few months already too

Saying that, for one day the scaling in ATI actually worked but after I reboot my pc it was fucked up again