Lol this is stupid, you are supposed to tell us what to think, not the other way around.

They never provide an easy to find summation of the actual proposals.

says even more about the whole population

gotta love how everyone tries to contribute sif anyone's worth jonesy's reply.


americunts + jamerio, notice the correct use of the apostrophe

should be Jonesys'. Multiple personalities.

So you socialists don't have a problem with the government taking your money against your will?

and throwing it at the capitalist banksters?

well we would have a problem with that but only your govt does that

State Capitalism is very different from Free Markets. See below.

BTW I see this confusion all the time.

If you're against having your money taken by your governement to help the poor ones you're kind of selfish and you should be ashamed. But apparently in USA being selfish is totally normal...
You should watch Sicko (Michael Moore's film). Maybe it will open your mind a bit.

I would have a problem with living in a country that lets its own citizens die just because they don't have money enough. That's only happening in the 3rd world, and the USA.

I find it pathetic the people of esreality do not involve themselves with politics. Every aspect of your lives is affected by government. If you don't control the government (meaning, you don't control your life), someone else will. How can you all just lay down and take it up the ass? Then again, I guess that explains why CS succeeds and Quake fails. They really rammed it up your cunt-holes and all you do is cry to mommy government.

This community of socialists is a good example of why the United States should not become socialist. There is no personal initiative, just a bunch of babies.

Although, I completely disagree with the Obama $900 billion plan. I don't know the details, but if it cost the nation that much, against the will of even a single tax-payer, it should not be instituted. The President should do his job, and stop acting like an elected King (and the people should wake up and realize the President is not a King, leader, fuhrer or God, elected or otherwise).

I find it pathetic the people of esreality do not involve themselves with politics.

i do, so go fuck yourself, fucking cummyfaced douchebag.

actually, the fact that they can lay back and NOT worry that they're completely fucked if something goes wrong says that their government is doing a damn fine job of doing what it's meant to do.

And yeah, I work, make pretty decent money, and have a helluva nice benefits package including some of the best health insurance you can get in this country (UHC).
I'm pro-universal health care.

If you want to talk about laying down and taking it up the ass, how about you have waaayyy into 6 figures in medical bills, then come back and talk to us about who's getting reamed.

Oh yes, and journalism in this country is a disgrace. Nothing but sound-bytes, talking points and play-by-play commentary. Politician A tells everyone if they don't do what he or she says, everyone will die. Politician B tells everyone if they do do what their opponent says, everyone will die. Rinse and repeat.

Of course, journalism is a reflection of the people.

Well let's build some kind of foundation before we come to a decision. Devin Finbarr has already done this, so let's take a look:

Overall, there is a very libertarian message here. The products where the free market is left to do its magic - manufactured goods, retail, entertainment, electronics, clothing - have had declining prices and increasing quality. Within housing, the price of the component where the free market has most control - construction - is down since 1970. On the other hand, the prices of goods where there is a lot of government interference have gone way up - residential property prices ( thanks to zoning laws and artificially low interest rates and down payment requirements), healthcare, education, car insurance. My beef with you Will, is that I wish you stop denying that the problem of a stretched middle class exists, and instead fire back with an attack on the regulatory state that has caused the problem. -Devin Finbarr

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There is a very important difference between a "free market" and "state capitalism" or "crony capitalism". In a free market, a corporations cannot use the coercive power of the state to gain advantage. A corporation may only grow wealthy by making stuff people want, and convincing people to make the free choice to buy the company's product.

Of course, most political actors who claim they are promoting the free market are usually concocting some scheme to enrich a particular business at public expense. But this does not discredit the idea of a free market, it simply discredits those political actors.

I'd also note that the core problem of companies buying influence and corrupting the government is not a problem of "the market" but of our particular political system. In short, Madison was wrong. The Constitutional design was not strong enough to withstand the pressure of factions. In our system, every single organized faction in existence, whether it be a corporation or a teachers union, a bar association or an evangelical church, spends a great deal of time and money trying to manipulate Congress to further its ends.

If corporations were the only faction corrupting the government, then perhaps it would make sense to blame them. But since every faction does it, the proper conclusion is to blame the design of the political system. -Devin Finbarr
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Solution:

Take Government out of Healthcare entirely. Observe effects. If positive, leave alone. If not, then revise.

(Trust me when I say Finbarr knows EXACTLY what he's talking about)

the thing is we're talking about peoples health here, not some gadget you buy. if you left goverment out of the health buisness there would be no initiative for the companies to take care of those who are sick to begin with. people are born with illnesses that require them to have care all their lives, what about them?

also, healthcare is free over here (I am well aware it's not technically free, but everyone contributes the same). what could possibly beat that?!

(Trust me when I say Finbarr knows EXACTLY what he's talking about)

i think he's just a religious fanatic of the alleged "free market".

Free market fundies and communists are two sides of the same coin.

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Talk to me when you move out of the estate.

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I don't think ten pounds is worth stealing.

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And ten times the economy of Birmingham.

Nope.

He just likes embarrassing other "so called" Libertarians. He does this routinely. He targets Will Wilkinson particularly:

http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/0...nt-2350890

Or:

http://disqus.com/guest/f68344c564920f4b8b6698554de73596/

obama's plan suck, why can't he use that money to go to war in north korea or something