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ESL IEM America Qualification & Prizes (119 comments)

( Major News: QL)

Posted by Rondrian @ 13:10 CDT, 17 September 2009 - iMsg

Recently the ESL announced that Quake Live will be part of their Intel Extreme Masters Continental Championships. Today they revealed more details about the upcoming qualification tournament and the prize money. There will be four qualification cups and the top two of each cup will reach the American Championship, where they will be joined by eight invited players and fight for a total of $10,600 prize money. The complete tournament system can be found on the Intel Extreme Masters website.

Qualification Cups

Prize Money

The full schedule and rules of all qualifiers and more details about the tournament can be found on the ESL America website.

Edited by xou at 08:11 CDT, 22 September 2009 - 19729 Hits

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<< Comment #1 @ 13:22 CDT, 17 September 2009 >>

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Nukm

Maplist: qzdm6 (Campgrounds), qzdm13 (Lost World), qztourney7 (Furious Heights), qztourney9 (House of Decay), ztntourney1 (Blood Run)

taking ca2 out was the right decision, kicking t4 out, i dont know... probably would have eliminted dm13 instead. really dont like it in ql and we have two non rail maps now but no map without lg

Edited by Nukm at 13:28 CDT, 17 September 2009

<< Comment #2 @ 13:25 CDT, 17 September 2009 >>

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Rondrian - Reply to #1

yeah, it was a hard decision and I'm still not sure whether it was the right one, but I asked a lot of players and we discussed it for hours internally and made that decision. Both maps have pros & cons in QL. Our hope is that we hopefully have another map to replace it with, so long players can still toss it out.

<< Comment #19 @ 14:46 CDT, 17 September 2009 >>

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noctis - Reply to #2

why the hell is dm6 still in

jesus...

its like the mappool is getting worse with every change, from the perfectly fine ztn/dm6/dm13/t4/t7 to this and now you even sound like you'd want to remove dm13 before getting rid of dm6 :<

Edited by noctis at 15:00 CDT, 17 September 2009

<< Comment #20 @ 15:13 CDT, 17 September 2009 >>

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destrukt - Reply to #19

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLaYKFQJ-hg&feature=related

<< Comment #23 @ 15:29 CDT, 17 September 2009 >>

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noctis - Reply to #20

like im the only person that wants to see dm6 gone

<< Comment #24 @ 15:39 CDT, 17 September 2009 >>

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Fejl(Folklore) - Reply to #23

Yea I'm tired of that map to:/

<< Comment #26 @ 16:34 CDT, 17 September 2009 >>

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brumu - Reply to #23

dm6 is the best quake map, its also the reason why its played so often if you just look over all the duel servers.. most of it is dm6.
If you take that map away just because people like you want that, you will ruin it for a lot of spectators.

<< Comment #43 @ 02:50 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #26

no.

<< Comment #51 @ 04:47 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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LoCK - Reply to #26

You are brumu, you have no say in this.

<< Comment #56 @ 05:07 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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GEKKO- - Reply to #26

dm6 sucks

<< Comment #99 @ 09:25 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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raithza - Reply to #26

god damn. i used to like dm6, now i have to start hating it or be associated with brumu

WHY MUST POLES RUIN EVERYTHING

<< Comment #55 @ 05:05 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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GEKKO- - Reply to #20

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTPFlwZ6gmI

<< Comment #31 @ 17:41 CDT, 17 September 2009 >>

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baron Railgun ' - Reply to #19

I know you many times play in competitions and thus your desire is more important to be listen, don't argue about that, but for me one spectator point of view by taking out t4 there remained one single map I'm interested in only, remove dm6 and I'm totally off with following qlive competitions

<< Comment #33 @ 17:50 CDT, 17 September 2009 >>

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noctis - Reply to #31

Get t4 back then, i have no idea why it should be removed in the first place (opposed to dm6)

:)

<< Comment #36 @ 20:12 CDT, 17 September 2009 >>

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mefajpE^ - Reply to #33

T4 is boring to watch, I don't like playing it either, but that's just me. As for dm6, it might be old, overplayed etc. but this map still delivers some of the best actions you can see in game. I love watching dm6 when two good players face each other.

I know that some people hate it, because it's often one-sided half of the game and it's hard to make a good comeback against someone really good. But it's still a good map, way better than ztn imo :}

QL needs new maps.

And hub3aero.

Edited by mefajpE^ at 20:13 CDT, 17 September 2009

<< Comment #49 @ 04:38 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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erok - Reply to #36

do you know how many babies you just killed by saying dm6 is better than ztn?

<< Comment #77 @ 07:24 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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InDepther - Reply to #33

as much as you want, dm6 will never be left out and I am glad for that. 80% of the games played r in dm6, it would be plain crazy to remove it.

So, say it as much as you want, but it can't happen :P

Having said that, I like new maps, but the core (dm6 & ztn) is the core.

<< Comment #79 @ 07:25 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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noctis - Reply to #77

i know :(

anyway, still glad i can remove it in every game :)

<< Comment #85 @ 07:46 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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Carmac - Reply to #31

You're already off because you're not going to watch the ESL TV streams ;p

<< Comment #89 @ 08:09 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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baron Railgun ' - Reply to #85

let's call it half lift then: http://www.sk-gaming.com/video/117224-Carmacs...chievement
<3

<< Comment #6 @ 13:34 CDT, 17 September 2009 >>

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oneroomdisco - Reply to #1

I think the hate for T4 and DM13 is pretty high, but I'd say the hate for T4 is more.

<< Comment #14 @ 14:05 CDT, 17 September 2009 >>

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destrukt - Reply to #1

Two maps with no rail. Two new maps, and 3 classics. Looks like a good/balanced rotation to me.

<< Comment #80 @ 07:25 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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InDepther - Reply to #14

true, the whine should stop

<< Comment #3 @ 13:27 CDT, 17 September 2009 >>

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son1dow

t4 > t9, even if old.

so, this is the American part, then there's going to be an European one and then the international finals?

<< Comment #4 @ 13:31 CDT, 17 September 2009 >>

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Rondrian - Reply to #3

A European Tournament with the same strucutre and probably also a Asian Event, smaller and offline only. (maybe)

And than it all hopefully ends in a big global offline event. (maybe) :-)

<< Comment #57 @ 05:12 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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GEKKO- - Reply to #4

Sry wrong post

Edited by KotK at 05:14 CDT, 18 September 2009

<< Comment #5 @ 13:34 CDT, 17 September 2009 >>

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madix

This was an excellent opportunity to get rid of dm6 but I guess thats
a bit greedy.

I hate you for removing t4 though dm6/t9 should've been removed instead.

<< Comment #7 @ 13:43 CDT, 17 September 2009 >>

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brumu - Reply to #5

If you get rid of dm6 you kill quake. Dm6 is the ultimate duel map, whoever wins on that map is the real biggy.

<< Comment #10 @ 13:50 CDT, 17 September 2009 >>

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f0rk123 - Reply to #7

lol
todays koth showed how bad the map can be if 1 guy gets a better start. i suppose thats where you get all your quits from.

<< Comment #15 @ 14:11 CDT, 17 September 2009 >>

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brumu - Reply to #10

it showed how much players still have to improve their mentality, and tactic in this game.. in that sense i think spartie and rapha are the better players in quake

<< Comment #32 @ 17:43 CDT, 17 September 2009 >>

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baron Railgun ' - Reply to #15

holy fuck, I had to plus you on this

<< Comment #35 @ 18:30 CDT, 17 September 2009 >>

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brumu - Reply to #32

thank you friend

<< Comment #44 @ 02:52 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #15

yes, your ragequits really show that.

<< Comment #52 @ 04:48 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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LoCK - Reply to #15

You're really not the one to talk about mentality in this game.

<< Comment #8 @ 13:44 CDT, 17 September 2009 >>

By

right choice removing t4 :D

<< Comment #9 @ 13:46 CDT, 17 September 2009 >>

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cYmoZz

t9 should have been removed, it is imo the worst map out of the quakecon mappool

maybe we should have a poll here again, would be interesting to see what people are thinking now

Old poll

Edited by cYmoZz at 13:49 CDT, 17 September 2009

<< Comment #11 @ 14:04 CDT, 17 September 2009 >>

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destrukt - Reply to #9

T9 is amazing. T7 is also amazing.

<< Comment #13 @ 14:05 CDT, 17 September 2009 >>

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spartaz0rd - Reply to #11

[+]

<< Comment #21 @ 15:22 CDT, 17 September 2009 >>

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Bob - Reply to #11

.

Edited by Bob at 15:31 CDT, 26 June 2024

<< Comment #22 @ 15:23 CDT, 17 September 2009 >>

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destrukt - Reply to #21

"talked"

<< Comment #25 @ 15:44 CDT, 17 September 2009 >>

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Fejl(Folklore) - Reply to #11

Agree

<< Comment #53 @ 04:57 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #11

had to plus u for that

<< Comment #104 @ 10:19 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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karizma - Reply to #11

have a + .. :)

<< Comment #12 @ 14:04 CDT, 17 September 2009 >>

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spartaz0rd - Reply to #9

well...would be a good idea..still harly an "old" player would remove an old map where is really good compared to the new ones..

<< Comment #16 @ 14:30 CDT, 17 September 2009 >>

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aLeoN

The economy must still be in a recession if the total prize pool is $10.60 and the final prize is $8.

<< Comment #17 @ 14:34 CDT, 17 September 2009 >>

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destrukt - Reply to #16

icwutudidther

<< Comment #18 @ 14:43 CDT, 17 September 2009 >>

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son1dow - Reply to #17

I see what you did there.

<< Comment #45 @ 02:55 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #16

list

but yeah since it's in English and a US tournament...

<< Comment #27 @ 16:46 CDT, 17 September 2009 >>

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okay decision considering the fact that apart from 4 people most american top players dont have clue on how to play tourney4, top players like dkt, griffin etc have avoided that map so far, so this is a decent decision. On the bright side crap maps like t6 and ca2 are gone so this is a balanced map pool and possibly would go to improve rapha's bank balance.

<< Comment #28 @ 16:48 CDT, 17 September 2009 >>

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dm13,dm6 and t4 should be removed soon, but there is no real replacement for them.

but as first i would remove dm13, slow, boring to play and boring to watch map.

dm6 could have a small chance if we would have 15min timelimit. but with 10min, ql spawns and weapons it should be removed asap.

<< Comment #70 @ 06:54 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #28

Agreed, but not dm6. Dm13 and t4 are crap. There need to be new maps! Ah, ca2 is also crap... Dont know why is this map also made for 1v1

<< Comment #115 @ 22:04 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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DaHanG - Reply to #70

my nigga

<< Comment #29 @ 17:19 CDT, 17 September 2009 >>

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Crib

who keeps changing the map pool without community consultation?
Keep in mind that they want maps that give the most opportunity for close high action games.

I agree with Nukm in having 2 non rail maps... id rather t9 over dm13 ( even with holes :/ lol ) and keeping t4 until a better / newer map is created

<< Comment #30 @ 17:27 CDT, 17 September 2009 >>

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noctis

yh8 dm13 :(

<< Comment #38 @ 21:46 CDT, 17 September 2009 >>

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Crib - Reply to #30

I dont hate it....

T9 is just faster and more spectator friendly (does that matter :) )

<< Comment #42 @ 02:46 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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noctis - Reply to #38

faster is not better :/

<< Comment #34 @ 17:54 CDT, 17 September 2009 >>

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baron Railgun '

the only reason t9 is pretty much appreciated in the map pool is because when playing the opponent everybody hope he improved better and his opponent will do enough positioning and logics wrong decisions, exactly the thing everybody used to say about dm6, so even if they wanna say they wanna remove the luck factor as much as possible, in fact their hopes on it are now higher than ever, nice way to contradict the current lol
on the t4 issue, even if I am sorry they removed that map, the only players playing that map how it should be played were zero4 and more recently, I have to admit, cypher [ed] and sometimes, fazz

Edited by ScarletJohansonsFather at 17:55 CDT, 17 September 2009

<< Comment #84 @ 07:32 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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InDepther - Reply to #34

fazz owns in t4 ... always had

<< Comment #37 @ 20:21 CDT, 17 September 2009 >>

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mefajpE^

Glad that T4 is out, most boring map to watch ever.

DM13 sucks in QL, it's somehow too small (corridors etc.)
T9 is interesting to watch, haven't played it that much to say more.
T7 is so-so, haven't played it that much to say more.
ZTN boring.
DM6 best map in QL :)

Edited by mefajpE^ at 20:21 CDT, 17 September 2009

<< Comment #39 @ 22:36 CDT, 17 September 2009 >>

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madix

I hope there will be a european vote where top players vote not spectators cuz its not
them who spend all this time on playing tournaments.
Ofc it's important to have spec friendly maps but imho t4 falls into that cathegory
im having a blast playing it still, and seeing all the cumbacks on it I don't see why
it'd suck to spectate.

<< Comment #69 @ 06:51 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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Bob - Reply to #39

.

Edited by Bob at 15:31 CDT, 26 June 2024

<< Comment #71 @ 06:57 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #69

you're an idiot in my opinion :P

<< Comment #74 @ 07:05 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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noctis - Reply to #69

a lot of pros want to see dm6 gone and pretty much everyone wants to see new maps.

<< Comment #90 @ 08:13 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #74

If pros wanted dm6 gone, they wouldn't choose it. Right now the evidence contradicts you: dm6 is played in every tournament and a lot of times.

<< Comment #92 @ 08:21 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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noctis - Reply to #90

gamescom had one dm6 game after the first round (which had some rapes nobody cares about)

of course there are some good players that like to play it cause of their aim, but i don't think they are the majority

Edited by noctis at 08:22 CDT, 18 September 2009

<< Comment #95 @ 09:08 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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calleking - Reply to #90

Picking a map where you've got a slight advantage on has next to nothing to do with how much you actually enjoy playing it.

<< Comment #96 @ 09:13 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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calleking - Reply to #95

Might be shocking news but giggling comes secondary to winning $/€/£ when you get paid to travel to a tournament and compete in it while representing a sponsor.

<< Comment #97 @ 09:13 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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calleking - Reply to #96

Good point!

<< Comment #103 @ 10:09 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #95

So, dm6 sucks because some players play it better?

<< Comment #118 @ 16:37 CDT, 20 September 2009 >>

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baron Railgun ' - Reply to #103

imo noctis statement has perfect sense: "a lot of pros want to see dm6 gone and pretty much everyone wants to see new maps" which if you try to resume the logics of it means that pros don't wanna be pros anymore

<< Comment #119 @ 02:51 CDT, 21 September 2009 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #118

Well, me too want dm6 gone in favour of new good maps. But I don't agree with just removing it, or replacing it with mediocre maps like ca2.

<< Comment #40 @ 01:32 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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judge717

Instead of "t4 needs to be in" "dm6 needs to be out" , i think we should be complaining "where are the rest of the new maps"

<< Comment #46 @ 03:39 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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Crib - Reply to #40

+

<< Comment #47 @ 03:45 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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DaHanG - Reply to #40

I am still wondering why community mappers aren't being able to contribute :(

<< Comment #98 @ 09:14 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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calleking - Reply to #47

I'll do a map for ye

<< Comment #114 @ 19:18 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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efassd - Reply to #47

Yeah really. I don't think it would be hard to announce a "community map creation contest, winner gets a pr0 mapper achievement blah blah, all map rights go to id software".

<< Comment #41 @ 02:46 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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btw.

stream and coverage by ESL TV?

<< Comment #48 @ 04:28 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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supersonicwaffle - Reply to #41

think again then answer the question yourself :)

<< Comment #78 @ 07:24 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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eoe.d1ablo - Reply to #48

rondrian understood what I was asking.

it wasnt the question "quadV or esl tv?", but if American QL tournament will be covered by ESL TV, since they are in Europe and just in general.

Edited by eoe.d1ablo at 07:27 CDT, 18 September 2009

<< Comment #50 @ 04:39 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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Rondrian - Reply to #41

qualification cups probably won't have coverage, but we are working on a solution for the main tournament.

<< Comment #73 @ 07:03 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #50

qualification cups probably won't have coverage

yeah, who needs gtv now? *cough*

<< Comment #54 @ 04:59 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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CAREEM

as dkt already said, t7 and t9 are amazing maps! We want moar new 1v1 maps!!!

Now t9 is my fav map btw.. I'm just playing on that map, fuck the rest :D

<< Comment #58 @ 05:19 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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outlaw

.

Edited by walter at 07:08 CDT, 25 September 2009

<< Comment #67 @ 05:58 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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Crib - Reply to #58

Im pretty mixed about maps now, we just need new ones..

<< Comment #68 @ 06:50 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #67

yes yes, new maps but not converted or old q3 maps like hub etc... And 1v1 maps should be very small as t9 is :P And maybe on each side YA armors so you cant get so huge advantage like with 1 RA and 2 yellows...

RA should be disabled in my opinion at duel maps :P

<< Comment #87 @ 07:58 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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Crib - Reply to #68

No in my opinion they need distinct different FLAVOURS, causing different play styles (keeping it interesting) - thats why im starting to favour dm13 over t9

<< Comment #59 @ 05:22 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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outlaw

.

Edited by walter at 07:08 CDT, 25 September 2009

<< Comment #111 @ 13:04 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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spartaz0rd - Reply to #59

well ye isnt amazing but still i like it more than ztn and t4 :D

<< Comment #60 @ 05:25 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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outlaw

.

Edited by walter at 07:10 CDT, 25 September 2009

<< Comment #61 @ 05:32 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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outlaw

.

Edited by walter at 07:11 CDT, 25 September 2009

<< Comment #63 @ 05:35 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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noctis - Reply to #61

if there wasn't dm6, t9 would be the next map i'd try to get rid of.

my personal fav. mappool would be ztn/dm13/t4/t7/ca2 atm :F

Edited by noctis at 05:36 CDT, 18 September 2009

<< Comment #62 @ 05:34 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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outlaw

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Edited by walter at 07:13 CDT, 25 September 2009

<< Comment #65 @ 05:55 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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n1ghty - Reply to #62

why didn't you do so at quakecon? :/

<< Comment #64 @ 05:47 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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outlaw

.

Edited by walter at 07:12 CDT, 25 September 2009

<< Comment #66 @ 05:56 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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noctis - Reply to #64

cq3 balance? did they change the item layout? If not, i don't think the map can be helped, at least not with any weapon balancings.

<< Comment #72 @ 06:59 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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Rondrian

Qualifier #1 sign ups so far

for all who care and want to know who signed up so far.

list of invites will probably be released next week.

<< Comment #75 @ 07:07 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #72

how does the signup work, the first 32 get a spot? if so, i hope the 32 slots arent filled up with random ppl, i mean, there are already females signed up... ;)
and is there a waiting list so that ppl can replace no-shows?

<< Comment #81 @ 07:26 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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noctis - Reply to #75

there are invites as well, so don't expect to see the good players in the qualifiers

<< Comment #86 @ 07:56 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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Rondrian - Reply to #75

first 32 sign ups will get in, if we see a tendence that more than 48 players will sign up we increase the cup to 64 slots, in the end I guess everyone will have a chance to play in at least one or two qualifiers and already qualified players will be removed from the sign ups for the next cups.

<< Comment #93 @ 08:43 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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baron Railgun ' - Reply to #72

judge looks like a winner to me

<< Comment #94 @ 08:45 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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baron Railgun ' - Reply to #93

and I assume gillz's blonde will participate too, maybe keep a hand on his cock to keep him all warm-up

<< Comment #100 @ 09:44 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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judge717 - Reply to #93

sweet pic eh

<< Comment #117 @ 11:46 CDT, 19 September 2009 >>

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reload - Reply to #93

lol'd :D

<< Comment #76 @ 07:10 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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exp!

let's see when id software will wake up understanding that a mapping sdk is absolutely needed...

Edited by exp! at 07:15 CDT, 18 September 2009

<< Comment #88 @ 07:58 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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Rondrian - Reply to #76

Would love to see a good map editor + something like a map upload function on the QL site, where by upload you turn your copyrights to ID and ID can approve and adjust the maps and add them to the normal game.

I think the balance between custom maps and standard maps that everyone has is very important. I always hated it in shooters that for leagues or even watching demos I had to get all that custom maps first.

<< Comment #82 @ 07:27 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

By

outlaw

.

Edited by walter at 07:10 CDT, 25 September 2009

<< Comment #83 @ 07:31 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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outlaw

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Edited by walter at 07:13 CDT, 25 September 2009

<< Comment #91 @ 08:18 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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noctis - Reply to #83

looks good, if dm6 stays, the items should definitely get changed to smth like this

edit: but id doing this is more than unlikely imho so get rid of it already.

Edited by noctis at 08:24 CDT, 18 September 2009

<< Comment #101 @ 10:04 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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btw lol @ this whole maplist whine.

how about "nice @ 10.600$"? good job ESL.

Edited by eoe.d1ablo at 10:12 CDT, 18 September 2009

<< Comment #102 @ 10:05 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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Rondrian - Reply to #101

that get's you [+]'d

<< Comment #106 @ 11:10 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #101

obv its nice and everyone was very positive in the annouzncement news
this is what i like about esr, ppl talking about the interesting stuff instead of 100% one liner like "great" you get on most sites

<< Comment #108 @ 11:39 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #106

"ppl talking about the interesting stuff "

well that's certainly one way to see it ...

<< Comment #105 @ 11:08 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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Nukm

invites are out

Shane 'rapha' Hendrixson
Tim 'DaHanG' Fogarty
Brian 'dkt' Flander
Thomas 'griffin' Wall
Chance 'Chance' Lacina
Rafik 'LoSt-CaUzE' Bryant
Ben 'plague' Tremblay
Daniel 'carnage' Sturdivant

no walter :(

<< Comment #107 @ 11:31 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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son1dow - Reply to #105

he's in one of the qualification cups, tho.

<< Comment #109 @ 11:40 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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becks - Reply to #105

but everyone on the list deserves the invite more than he does.

<< Comment #110 @ 11:42 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #109

true ;)

<< Comment #112 @ 17:34 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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outlaw

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Edited by walter at 07:13 CDT, 25 September 2009

<< Comment #116 @ 05:44 CDT, 19 September 2009 >>

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noctis - Reply to #112

Considering how fast they are working, it would take at least a week of their time.

<< Comment #113 @ 18:00 CDT, 18 September 2009 >>

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andysak

Should be some funtastic times!

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