why not

well q1/q2/q3/ql ar eall +forward which makes quake4 shit.

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Oh you

Perhaps it was considered more of a constant than a change.

_forward = "move forward"

+forward = "start moving forward"
-forward = "stop moving forward"

Yea, pretty close to accurate.

It's because _forward is not technically a console command, it's a button, and so the _ is to indicate buttons for which there is a +/- state.

With the doButton / doImpulse commands, you can use: "doButton +_forward" and "doButton -_forward" So infact the +/- notation is not gone, it is just that you bind a key to the button, not to the up/down event.

I guess the fact that almost nobody knows the difference between buttons and commands is probably a good reason why they should mark the buttons differently.

The buttons have always been marked different. +button is the same as _button. I haven't really played Quake 4 or did any testing, but it seems pretty much the same to me.

do you realize who you're replying to at all?

i think there was this discussion going on way back when q4 first came out.

you couldnt bind more than one command to one key
(for example bind p "weapon5; cg_crosshair 3")

so i remember something about id introducing some prefix to certain commands that would allow you to use these commands together in one bind.

could be that that prefix was "_" ... not sure tho.

bind p "crosshair 1; +attack"

I believe that doesn't work. Cause the +attack is after a command.

Usually you get one to five buttons max for commands.
So like +attack
You could then make +attack; crosshair 1 to get extra keys.

crosshair is a cvar, the command is set ;)

do you realize who you're replying to at all?

:)

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