Very cool. It's good to see all the greats playing again!

are you taking the piss?

hes an american fanboy. nothing but pitty from me.

Maybe he just appreciates skill? Too bad England has yet to produce a player of top caliber.
I'd be bitter too if my country's best players were continuously used like a doormat for better players progressing in tournaments.
Examples: Garpy, Hell, Toogood, Deus, the list of trampled goes on.

Shame you only know the new players innit.

It's a comeback in game in 2002, not now.

What part of his post makes you so sure he didn't realise that?

let me grab my watson's hat.... assuming that showing a demo or a video of someone playing is not really as having that person playing again, and considering that having fatality coming back to the competitive scene is something a lot of poeple would like to see, his answer and the ambiguous title convinced me there might have been a misunderstanding. I would be glad to be wrong though.

#care

Nice to see so much plasma.

Their aim is quaint.

Yeah, it's nice to watch a game in a mod where aim is a skill again...

OSP, where shit aim equates skill.

ESR, where being able to type affords you the opportunity to voice your uninformed opinion on the matter at hand.

agreed

just to prove your point

SUCK A CAWK HOENS
SUCK A CAWK HOENS
SUCK A CAWK HOENS
SUCK A CAWK HOENS
SUCK A CAWK HOENS


Q.E.D.

becks! where are you? address this comment ASAP plz :)

It's always the Indians who prove my point :)

I think even in OSP most players today would aim far better.

Didn't I post a demo of this ?


Yes, yes I did...

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1643386

Its nice to see the difference between Q3 in 2002 and QL now..

Fatality would of lost both matchs if he were playing QL...

Mainly cus of 10min timelimit and because 2002 (OSP) Q3a spawns sucked worse than Steven Gately!

Well, that doesn't really say anything though. Games evolve a lot, especially in a timespan of 7 years. Pity the upload was only from Fist1's view.

It goes to Fist1's perspective but should remain in Fatal1ty depending. It would auto switch. Was actually very hard to find this demo. I could only find last 5 minutes demo for the most part.

I see. Thanks anyway :) Was a tight game anyway, so not a loss from an entertainment point of view :)

Well it is a different game really, weapons dont t do the same amount of damage and there arent the same game options available on either side. Not only that but mice were not as good back then as well as computers, so it isnt really surprising that a demo of a player from 7 years ago would look dated :)

But I would say he has that "duel player mentality" over a lot of players that are on top today. Which would get him quite far as he is capable of locking down the map far better than most.

Most PC's back then ran at 125fps, and more importantly the screens ran at 120hz. Also, the mouse I still use today came out around 2002. (MS3.0!!)

So really there is no excuse, I just think strats and aim has evolved. If you are playing against a guy with 30%, you learn to get 30% lg. If you are playing against a guy with 40% lg, you learn to get 40% lg.

Fat could still prepare for a QL tournament in a few months time and end top 3, it would be ridiculous to think he wouldn't.

And besides, he freaking beat Toxic at Q4, and that was a couple of years ago.

please tell me how to learn 40% LG against somebody with 40% LG :<

That will need indepth analysis. I charge by the hour.

PS. I started playing QL in April / May, my lg was 30%ish (same as OSP), atm I am probably getting around 40% every game.

I KNOW THE SECRET!

my feeling is that mine is getting worse the better the lg aim of my opponent is.

do you accept payment in kind?

I can't rip you off. It's mostly settings, my acc jumped pretty fast after I lowered my sens and started using true lightning with thin lightning. All settings within QL.

and i was just joking ;)

for me, it developed the other way. after a couple of weeks in QL i had LG accuracy of 40 and more, and then it suddenly got worse, without me changing anything. it's frustrating to be honest .)

Damn it, I got the same thing!
Lowered my sens, got 40+ LG in first few games, and then it dropped back to ~30...damn, it's so fucking frustrating!!!

I would say that is only because you were concentrating extra on it during that change because it was new. Aiming takes work ya know.

Recently I really tried to pay extra attention to my lg and it rose huge on % but I had to stay uber focused when I used it. Carefully watching when they move, etc. That alone increased near 10% per game.

Well that maybe true but I would still consider it to be a disadvantage to be playing on hardware from 2002 against an opponent on a semi-top of the line computer hardware from 2009. Not to mention that the game has developed a lot in these seven years, ( In game commands and settings ) so it it is only natural that aim and tactic has progressed in that time, since well it was seven years ago that fat played quake3 competitively.

It would also be pretty redundant for anyone to play a game for that lengthy period of time without getting better. Which would lead to the fact that fat 2002 is not at the same level as top players from 2009. But it really isnt possible to know how decently he would perform if he decided to play ql competitively. He is a top gamer with a lot of motivation for the games he picks so he would probably do very well, but there is really no way of telling other than him actually deciding to play at top level.

I had 10-20fps and a ballmouse in 2002 :[

Lol, how old were you?

most retarded argument I've heard in a long time.

That's like comparing athletes 30 years ago, to the rules we have today... no matter what game/sport.

This game wasn't played last month. It's ancient !

Well the greatest fault of QL is probably 10min matches, everybody can win over everybody theese days if they get a good start.

And this is where a Players Association can come in handy.
Imagine 70-100% of the top players united in some organization, they could stand up with one voice and say: "We want Timelimit 15" or any other changes. That would allow for more impact on id / tournament organizers then individual voices spread all over the place.
But no, AGP sux! takes me moneyZ!!1!!

You are not a paying member. SO don't lie. ;)

Here he is defending AGP, vehemently at that, and you're ruining everything with your little "I'm so generous" joke. :P

It was a joke back.

The reason games are still 10 in Quake Live is because it was indirectly voted by top players and some community to be that way for many many reasons. There are pros and cons of both.

FOr blowouts, 15 minute games are quite a stretch. A huge one really. With 10 the players simply have to go into comeback mode earlier.

All of my research on games showed that 90%+ of most tournament duel game ever to be no different after 10 minutes in terms of winner. There are of course comebacks, but those are what make those rare games so great.

Exactly. And with timelimit=10, we don't have those rare great 10% games anymore, only typical shit.

I think there were plenty this year at QuakeCon. IN fact, alot of the games are now closer if anything. Still works out the same though, only many benefits in other ways. For example: matches can now be best of 5. with the total time being only 5 minutes longer than 3 games of 15. While everyone will have an opinion on this, I think it was awesome at QCON. ESL is doing the same this week.

Yeah but a lot of those 10minute games have comebacks leading up to the ten minutes anyway.

Nice,i like these,..keep em comin boys

Man screw this game ima watch Fat v Aim a classic !

is it me or did fist1 go hardly for rail? i only remember one time he did so.

p.s. the moment fist1 escaped a practically 100%-getting-fragged situation by simply jumping and thus tricking fatal1ty was awesome. (frist1 had only 1 hp and was near rl while fat was waiting on bridge for him to come out)

So what? Cooller doesn't take rail, why should fist1?

qed...

Wow they created a vod and put there name in it.

Impressive!

On another note "Unfortunately, the AGP will not be sponsoring tourneys this year as a result of this vote."

So basicly all they wanted to do is use the fee payed by the players, take their cut, and hand the rest over again.

I am sure that business model will play out if they believe long enough and hard enough in it. The money will magically appear.

At least the CPL had some real sponsors and money for some time.

do you, by any chance, play with bitterman?

How the hell should i find time to play with Bitterman when i am trolling esreality all day long ?

All paying members had the choice to get refunded so you know. And none took it. They know the difference in a players association and a tourney organizer. But don't fret, there still might be tournaments.

On another note, go watch ESL and stop crying.

When i go to http://www.agptour.com/ i see the name Tour appear, i dont think you either know the difference between a player association and a tourney organizer.

If the big idea is to act like a hub for tourneys with real sponsors and real money and sanction (dictate) them then i dont really get the big idea.

You post the news yourself, why dont stop posting till there is something to post about.

I am sure you put a lot of time and effort into this thing you got there but i dont see a way in hell this could work out, but i guess we will know in a year from now if i have to bow down to you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxVd5Jr0KJ4

Haha looks almost like an old video from the early 90ies. And I remember his weird flash site he had back then...

pure gold :)

Don't forget to pick the right category next time! : )

oldies goldies

oo emmm geee it's the greatest kill in FPS history :O'''''''''

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSWCTWH8rgw

still, the bf1942 one is sick :^D

holy shit that loop rocket and catch was awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp9G6l7G_5U

yeah unsynched sound isn't like the worst thing ever when watching a VOD

rating, -6

wtf I am a pretty old player but I never saw this fist vs fatality game before, how did I miss it I wonder...

Anyways, guess that guy was due for some reckognition with the way he played that game, even though he lost. Good aim for that time too.. His pg looks like it was teleported from 2009.

edit: I only remember Reef making a name from brazil, but I guess there is a reason he got good considering he practiced with guys like these.

Wasn't fatality vs fist1 in CPL Rio that Reef won?

For a minute I thought fatal1ty anounced a comeback in the AGP tour.

same
+ that he was taking no risk facing a noname in a show match

first!

That fist1's got pretty good plasma aim.

Fatal1ty is going to be in Poland in couple of days and he's going to play some QL showmatches with matr0x at PGA. Wonder what maps they'll play, probably only DM17 :}}}

This guy is a forgotten story for me.

srsly?

yeah, he's going to be here when the ESL Dubai begins.

You should post the Daler vs Fatal1ty game from Quakecon 2002 too lol

OK. Well I have more Fat vids from QuakeCon 2002 like vs Zero4 and CZM also, where he wins as well. His loss to Daler will be put soon also if you want as well. Next week will be a game with Fox, however.

hide tags on front page r fucked again, guess it will fix itself :)

I don't like the big quakecon and agp logos preventing to go fullscreen, neither the huge "following fatality" hurting visibility
otherwise it's cool stuff

isn't there a way to get >10min videos in YT ?

+ better hud constantly showing available weapons+ammo, and not showing opponent's face in top right corner

YouTube changed to widescreen by default within this year, leaving open black bars on the sides of non widescreens, and most of these old games are not in widescreen obviously. You will see that all Quake Live movies we do are in widescreen though.

r_mode -1?

Why don't you just record the demos in your own custom resolution? :s

dont use "fatal1ty" and "comeback" in the same title, fuck. =(


he managed to beat noname brazilian and the below-average swede, he's the world champ.

The no name brazilian... sigh.

wasn't he from brazil? =(

It's that you said that. He wasn't a no name then. And he almost had a huge upset on the very dominant Fatal1ty. And Aim was a pretty decent player as well. Fat didn't win that tournament either. He did beat CZM and destroyed Zero4 on his way to losing to the finalist that year: Daler. ;)

Daler wasn't the champion!

I'm glad streetrunner is so knowledgeable.

Yeah that was my bad. I knew Lexer won and was in the finals as well. I just wrote whom Fat lost to first. I have done the video for the finals to be posted soon as well so...

well you would expect from someone like fatal1ty to beat these guys with 20 frags, not to barely manage to pull a comeback, right?

He also beat ZeRo4 14 to -2.

We will probably post that one as well as a side of the Classic Match of the week on Monday.

-1!


pffff

much much did fat paid u?