ESR - Intel GameOn QL Cup by ESL *Update 3*

<< Comment #1 @ 04:42 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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Gladius

wow, even more leagues. Quake scene is alive & kicking! If only we'd have decent maps to play on now...

<< Comment #2 @ 04:48 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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roychez

Already posted: http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1767631 check before you post

<< Comment #3 @ 04:49 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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xou - Reply to #2

This was posted as a draft before your own post, in fact we gotta remove yours now : )

<< Comment #4 @ 05:18 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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roychez - Reply to #3

Gay! all the work for nothing - second time you did this!!

add some [hide]'s, the post looks to big. xou, you should know better.

Edited by roychez at 05:19 CDT, 15 October 2009

<< Comment #5 @ 05:35 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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xou - Reply to #4

We don't major regional tournaments news, so #care about these missing hide's

<< Comment #6 @ 05:39 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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roychez - Reply to #5

This is regional tournament news and you majored it.. don't see how that's related to hide's :|

<< Comment #7 @ 05:47 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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xou - Reply to #6

I majored it?

<< Comment #9 @ 07:38 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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therogue - Reply to #6

I majored it before, I thought I hadn't already done it

<< Comment #35 @ 09:49 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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roychez - Reply to #9

Add Iceland to the Nordic region and the Benelux as well!! Much bigger than some of those on the list.

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<< Comment #36 @ 09:50 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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therogue - Reply to #35

it is not our choice :)

<< Comment #37 @ 09:51 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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roychez - Reply to #36

But Intel must have brains, right? Otherwise talk sense into them :P

<< Comment #38 @ 09:56 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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Rondrian - Reply to #35

its a sponsored event/tournament series, so it's not in our hands, of course we would have liked to bring it to all regions, but sadly that wasn't possible.

I think our benelux admin team is doing a great job in their section and offer enough exciting quake action without prizes.

All other countries should check www.esl.eu/eu/quakelive for tournaments, there is enough for everyone in general. Like EMS for TDM and soon wintercups etc. in different gametypes/modes.

<< Comment #39 @ 09:57 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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roychez - Reply to #38

I know, it's just retarded unfortunately :(

<< Comment #53 @ 12:04 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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linkoo - Reply to #35

SO TRUE

<< Comment #62 @ 05:06 CDT, 16 October 2009 >>

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therogue - Reply to #53

iceland added!

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<< Comment #60 @ 05:06 CDT, 16 October 2009 >>

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therogue - Reply to #35

iceland added!

<< Comment #83 @ 09:58 CDT, 16 October 2009 >>

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roychez - Reply to #60

Now benelux! :D

<< Comment #8 @ 05:55 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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frs

repost

Funnily enough the games have to be played on middle European or Russian servers because all the Nordic servers are either non-excistant or broken

<< Comment #10 @ 07:44 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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r1ddler

Middle East: Algeria Algeria, Egypt Egypt, Lebanon Lebanon, Saudi Arabia Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates United Arab Emirates

really?

how many players are from these countries

<< Comment #11 @ 07:53 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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Mav_ - Reply to #10

easy win for ALI N.A.B.

<< Comment #23 @ 08:25 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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Streetrunner - Reply to #10

The point isn't how many players, it's getting new players in addition. Things like this promote Quake Live. And Quake Live NEEDS to grow. It promotes ESL as well and that is a + for all.

<< Comment #25 @ 08:34 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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r1ddler - Reply to #23

I agree with you :) But i seriously didn't know there are quakers in the middle east

<< Comment #59 @ 02:17 CDT, 16 October 2009 >>

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anal justice - Reply to #25

maybe they are bored of CS IRL and prefer to play quake instead

<< Comment #12 @ 07:53 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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abso

if they only wouldn't bore us to death with duel :/

Edited by abso at 07:53 CDT, 15 October 2009

<< Comment #13 @ 07:55 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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crv

maybe you can add island with nordic country ....

<< Comment #61 @ 05:06 CDT, 16 October 2009 >>

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therogue - Reply to #13

iceland added!

<< Comment #14 @ 08:00 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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ChOu

Well... weird new... Let me guess:

First regional tournament, this Sunday, 18 OCT.

There will be one tourney in each country that participate in this tournament?

Or will it be a global tourney each sunday where every player from the conutries that appear on the new can participate?

<< Comment #18 @ 08:10 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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Mav_ - Reply to #14

The Nordic cups are using a different system. They have only 4 cups as a qualifier for the national finals. Only people living in the Nordic region will be able to participate in the cup.

People living in the other regions/countries that the ESL is organising GameOn cups will be able to participate in their own, regional qualifiers, and, if they qualify, a national final.

<< Comment #15 @ 08:05 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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amOKchen

Go denmark,.. wait do we even have a team D:?

<< Comment #56 @ 19:44 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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GEKKO- - Reply to #15

Just individual signups. Go go :)

<< Comment #16 @ 08:07 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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GUArd

they could make BALTIC region too, for EE LV LT. 3 in 1!

<< Comment #27 @ 08:45 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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son1dow - Reply to #16

but you quit, whats the point

<< Comment #40 @ 10:00 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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GUArd - Reply to #27

im not only one who plays ql, if i quit it doesnt mean i dont care about others :)

<< Comment #43 @ 10:14 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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By $\0/$ fragerr - Reply to #16

idd m8

<< Comment #17 @ 08:08 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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noctis

middle east has servers?

<< Comment #22 @ 08:24 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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stingerrayer - Reply to #17

racist

<< Comment #19 @ 08:10 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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linkoo

Add Iceland, jesus WE EVEN HAVE NORWAY! we have more quakers + better players :) at least let us join norway or denmark :D

<< Comment #63 @ 05:06 CDT, 16 October 2009 >>

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therogue - Reply to #19

iceland added!

<< Comment #20 @ 08:22 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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Streetrunner

I think this is awesome. Go ESL! ;)

<< Comment #21 @ 08:23 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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Xhep

where are ze dutch? :(

<< Comment #44 @ 10:15 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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By $\0/$ fragerr - Reply to #21

u have lan in marts so dont whine

<< Comment #102 @ 06:01 CDT, 17 October 2009 >>

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Anonymous (cc965012-a.harli1.fr.home.nl) - Reply to #44

what lan?

<< Comment #24 @ 08:30 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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judge717

Algeria/Egypt aren't middle east , but i'll let it slide because it's ESL !

<< Comment #30 @ 08:49 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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therogue - Reply to #24

the regions are defined by intel :)

<< Comment #58 @ 02:13 CDT, 16 October 2009 >>

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anal justice - Reply to #30

intel is jewish corp

<< Comment #34 @ 09:42 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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brz - Reply to #24

egypt is in the middle east

<< Comment #45 @ 10:17 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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r1ddler - Reply to #34

didnt know that,thought because its in Africa that it didnt count :)

Must be the same deal as in Turkey and Israel called EuroAsia or whatever

<< Comment #47 @ 10:29 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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brz - Reply to #45

its not defined by geographical region but by the actual inhabitants / customs, but ye plenty of people make that mistake :)

<< Comment #26 @ 08:37 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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Dronar

Hmm, Finals at DreamHack?
I wonder how they'll fit that with the DreamHack tournament....

<< Comment #28 @ 08:46 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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pAX - Reply to #26

NP!

<< Comment #29 @ 08:49 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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linkoo

ESL FTW, but missing Iceland there ... let us play with Norway ! :)))))

<< Comment #31 @ 08:56 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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Gladius - Reply to #29

we heard you the first time!

<< Comment #64 @ 05:07 CDT, 16 October 2009 >>

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therogue - Reply to #29

iceland added!

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<< Comment #32 @ 08:56 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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draven-

nice was hoping for Benelux aswell :(

<< Comment #33 @ 09:34 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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SIHdW3W

where are teh amd prizes :(

<< Comment #41 @ 10:04 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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Anonymous (bzq-79-181-241-223.red.bezeqint.net)

what 'bout israel ? =\ israel is in the middle east, and ppl here play quake.

<< Comment #46 @ 10:18 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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r1ddler - Reply to #41

i thought Israel is in europe as well?

<< Comment #48 @ 10:29 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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brz - Reply to #46

nobody wants to be associated with israel

<< Comment #49 @ 10:31 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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r1ddler - Reply to #48

hehe :P

<< Comment #66 @ 05:45 CDT, 16 October 2009 >>

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no_il - Reply to #41

It's a shame really.

Yeah I'd understand not wanting to be associated with Israel politically, I agree that it's a war mongering country, but not including us in a middle eastern quake tourney just seems stupid to me as we probably have the biggest quake community in the middle east. Besides, nobody doesn't include America because of it's politics while they are just as bad.

But we do have an active quake community, unlike countries such as egypt for example. If there is something I can do to get Israel in the tourney let me know. If linkoo could Iceland in, why not?

<< Comment #69 @ 07:07 CDT, 16 October 2009 >>

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ArchaiK - Reply to #66

I agree Israel should be included, politics shouldn't be a factor when it comes to gaming.

<< Comment #42 @ 10:13 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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spammah

If the Middle East region is included in your Cup, I'm assuming gameservers are being worked on for these locations?

<< Comment #67 @ 05:47 CDT, 16 October 2009 >>

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Affentod - Reply to #42

We don't have any influence on that unfortunately. Playing conditions will not be the best, but they will be more or less the same for everybody.

Also keep in mind, that id software might consider Middle East servers when they see an increse in player numbers caused through these tournaments.

So, get as many people to sign up for this, and maybe you'll get lucky with servers.

<< Comment #117 @ 22:46 CDT, 19 October 2009 >>

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azxx - Reply to #67

yea, we REALLY need QL servers, it would be super if ID would open some up.
at IEM4 i was talking to Carmac about this, and luckily Timo from ID was sitting right beside him, and after talking a bit to him he told me that if we can get them in contact with places that can host servers well and people who can run them then they would certainly try getting servers up, and he even gave me some contact info.

it was already awesome that 2 Global Challenges took place here, and now we have this. thanks guys :D

<< Comment #116 @ 22:38 CDT, 19 October 2009 >>

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azxx - Reply to #42

what did i tell ya? now get to work :D

<< Comment #50 @ 10:47 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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d4rk

where the fuck is Hungary?... seriously

<< Comment #51 @ 10:51 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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IspAH

no one cares about the poor Hungarians :'(

<< Comment #52 @ 11:16 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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ArchaiK

I will win this cup, you heard it here first.

<< Comment #54 @ 12:58 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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roychez - Reply to #52

cu@dreamhack

Edited by roychez at 12:58 CDT, 15 October 2009

<< Comment #55 @ 16:56 CDT, 15 October 2009 >>

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By $\0/$ fragerr - Reply to #54

cu @ our city lan
bring more mobilphones and come with car

<< Comment #82 @ 09:57 CDT, 16 October 2009 >>

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roychez - Reply to #55

wut?

<< Comment #57 @ 02:04 CDT, 16 October 2009 >>

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anal justice

oh, the i7 965 is rather sweet 1st price. i wish i was good and had time to actually play QL

edit: apparently there is a list of countries and mine is not in it. how about fuck you

Edited by anal justice at 02:10 CDT, 16 October 2009

<< Comment #65 @ 05:40 CDT, 16 October 2009 >>

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dem0n

They have been reading our feedback ? Where's the benelux then ? ...

<< Comment #68 @ 06:11 CDT, 16 October 2009 >>

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Xhep

seriously, why isnt benelux represented here?

<< Comment #70 @ 07:40 CDT, 16 October 2009 >>

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AND WHERE IS BALTIC COUNTRYS M?

<< Comment #71 @ 07:44 CDT, 16 October 2009 >>

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linkoo - Reply to #70

Yes, where are they on a globe I can't seem to find them :o
Everybody! a mission, find the baltic countries then reply to FRAGERR and show them where they are.

<< Comment #73 @ 08:21 CDT, 16 October 2009 >>

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anal justice - Reply to #71

hey everybody, this guy is funny!!!

or not

<< Comment #80 @ 09:31 CDT, 16 October 2009 >>

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By $\0/$ fragerr - Reply to #73

:D

<< Comment #75 @ 08:55 CDT, 16 October 2009 >>

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Kwibus - Reply to #70

I know where they are.

<< Comment #79 @ 09:05 CDT, 16 October 2009 >>

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By $\0/$ fragerr - Reply to #75

good boy now i say ur mom that u can watch tv longer than every day

<< Comment #72 @ 08:14 CDT, 16 October 2009 >>

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trell1x

AND WHERE IS BALTIC COUNTRYS M?

<< Comment #97 @ 22:11 CDT, 16 October 2009 >>

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r1ddler - Reply to #72

in the ussr

<< Comment #101 @ 05:51 CDT, 17 October 2009 >>

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son1dow - Reply to #97

that's not funny, man :(

<< Comment #77 @ 08:56 CDT, 16 October 2009 >>

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dia

where is Slovenia :P ?

<< Comment #76 @ 08:56 CDT, 16 October 2009 >>

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smd

AND WHERE IS BALTIC COUNTRYS M?

<< Comment #74 @ 08:53 CDT, 16 October 2009 >>

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scowl

>> Update 2: (...) and Russia has been expanded (...)

omg, stop them! :D

<< Comment #78 @ 08:58 CDT, 16 October 2009 >>

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HamstaHue

nice :)

i'll try to be available just for support, more players the better i think.

<< Comment #81 @ 09:42 CDT, 16 October 2009 >>

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anal justice

Eastern Europe has to be there too.

<< Comment #84 @ 10:05 CDT, 16 October 2009 >>

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d4rk

WHERE IS HUNGARY???

<< Comment #85 @ 10:17 CDT, 16 October 2009 >>

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azmo

iceland added!

<< Comment #86 @ 10:19 CDT, 16 October 2009 >>

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r1ddler

Armenia , Azerbaijan, Georgia, Kazakhstan , Kyrgyzstan, Moldova, , Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan

is this is joke? whats next trinidad and tobago ?

<< Comment #87 @ 10:25 CDT, 16 October 2009 >>

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_Sham_

AND WHERE IS BALTIC COUNTRYS M?

<< Comment #88 @ 11:01 CDT, 16 October 2009 >>

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no_il

No Israel yet?

Antisemitism!!!11

<< Comment #89 @ 11:47 CDT, 16 October 2009 >>

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no_il

Man I'd really really like to get Israel in the Intel extreme master's cup. Israel probably has the biggest quake scene in the middle east, and unlike countries such as egypt where ali nab owns all we actually have some talanted players. Anyways I understand it's not really up to you guys which countries participate in the cup but I saw that linkoo had success by talking to you guys and managed to squeez Iceland in.

I know including Israel might be a little more risky politically but I think it could do a great deal for the Middle eastern scene in general, I'd love to play people from lebanon/etc and I think it could really help build and unite the middle eastern quake scene. It could even be some kind of peace project or gay shit like that.

<< Comment #90 @ 13:21 CDT, 16 October 2009 >>

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crk27 - Reply to #89

let's say i agree with you, in my country i've seen the rise of e-sports and the quick death of it,simply because of sponsorship and shit organizers here.
every country has talented gamers in it,with the right motivation and support they can become as good as others worldwide.
so please start supporting other countries,and don't let politics affect your decision.

<< Comment #91 @ 13:38 CDT, 16 October 2009 >>

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no_il - Reply to #90

Yes! I wonder btw what kind of ping there is between middle eastern countries. I would love to get an active and united middle eastern quake community regardless of this tourney.

But ID really needs to get some middle eastern servers up otherwise competition between us will be pointless.

<< Comment #93 @ 14:00 CDT, 16 October 2009 >>

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crk27 - Reply to #91

quake servers in middle east would be great! don't know about you but connections here are pretty much shit. like home is limited to 256kbs,and a ping of 50-100 whithin the cities(tried some CS servers), but surely it's better than the 200 from europe servers.
hope to see e-sports grow in middle east.
best of luck m8!

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no_il - Reply to #93

We actually have somewhat decent connections over here, I wonder if players from israel can literally connect to iran for example without the goverment blocking it. Got any local servers in cpma or something i can tyr pinging too?

Best of luck to you too mate. May we be able to play together one day.

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crk27 - Reply to #94

I think we can connect, i had once played with a guy from israel in a RTS game,but well the conn was p2p.their focusing more on blocking news sites,facebook,....... even block servers that are in iran!
no cpma servers that i know of,some CS servers are available in yazd(middle-bottom of iran),but really no good connection,as we get a ping of 70 connecting from tehran.
i think a server in saudi arabia would have a good ping overall for all countries in the continent.
let's hope we can play!!

<< Comment #106 @ 11:17 CDT, 19 October 2009 >>

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linkoo - Reply to #93

Why don't you do something about it then? I talked to the CEO of an isp here in Iceland who happens to be an oldschool quaker :) and then contacted TTimo and nwc(the company) is sponsoring ID Software with servers.

Instead of whining here about it(sorry for coming off a bit strong) do something about it.

<< Comment #107 @ 14:15 CDT, 19 October 2009 >>

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no_il - Reply to #106

Ya, talked to Timmo, israeli servers up soon hopefully!

<< Comment #112 @ 15:52 CDT, 19 October 2009 >>

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crk27 - Reply to #106

thanks for the info m8,but server location in middle east is critical, if israeli servers are up,will have to see how good the connection is from other countries int the region, because most have low bandwidth available.

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linkoo - Reply to #112

That's why I told you to talk to a LOCAL ISP inc :p and ask them to sponsor quakelive, tell them it's a good investment/sponorship and advertisement :o. Always trust the icelandic investors.

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crk27 - Reply to #113

with all the sanctions against iran,it's going to make trouble for id software. DHL was punished because of that.
thats why when i say middle east,i exclude my country. maybe someday this government goes down(soon), and we can have our own servers.
thanks m8.

<< Comment #92 @ 13:45 CDT, 16 October 2009 >>

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meh_

AND WHERE IS BALTIC COUNTRYS M? ??????

<< Comment #95 @ 18:23 CDT, 16 October 2009 >>

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dorkiz

I'm American, but currently in Iraq.... I'll try and enter this (if it's allowed) for the Middle East. Some servers over here would be great though, since I'm on some shit 256k "high speed" connection, and the closest servers are Romania and Poland, and both are not playable. :(

<< Comment #96 @ 22:08 CDT, 16 October 2009 >>

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r1ddler - Reply to #95

why the fuck are you in iraq for:p

<< Comment #100 @ 02:52 CDT, 17 October 2009 >>

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duumed - Reply to #96

for the oil

<< Comment #108 @ 15:20 CDT, 19 October 2009 >>

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dorkiz - Reply to #100

Haha that is soooo not the case. People like to think it is, but our gas prices have been higher since this stupid war than before it started. Plus, if we really wanted oil, we'd just invade Saudi or Kuwait...

But anyway, I'm here so I can play CS in real life. :) And make sure Americans that get blown up don't die.

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becks - Reply to #108

did you really believe they wanted control of the oil so that could sell it for less???

No, the oil companies in question wanted to extend their market share, so they could dictate (read: raise) the prices even better.

/edit

And Kuwait and Saudi Arabia are already under a strong American control.

Edited by becks at 08:26 CDT, 20 October 2009

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therogue - Reply to #95

I'm sorry but you're not eligible since iraq isn't one of the countries included in the middle east region for this tournament (they're listed in the news post)

<< Comment #109 @ 15:21 CDT, 19 October 2009 >>

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dorkiz - Reply to #103

I figured with areas like those that they wouldn't mind surrounding countries... I mean, really. How many people do you think actually play any Quake in those countries? I'd be surprised if there were more than 50 for Saudi, and that's being generous.

**Edit** For the Middle East you'd be best with Egypt and Kuwait. And maybe Lebanon... Out of those 3 countries you might get 100 people total?

Edited by dorkiz at 15:24 CDT, 19 October 2009

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therogue - Reply to #109

the regions are the regions that intel operate in, I assume they have their reasons :)

<< Comment #124 @ 09:59 CDT, 21 October 2009 >>

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fws - Reply to #110

Well Iraq isnt there probably cause american missles use AMD chips :P

<< Comment #111 @ 15:44 CDT, 19 October 2009 >>

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smari - Reply to #109

the first tournament for scandinavia had 26 or so players signed up, so I guess 100 for the middle east sounds very optimistic ;)

<< Comment #98 @ 02:41 CDT, 17 October 2009 >>

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Anonymous (20-57.skknet.net)

what about eastern europe or we dont exist???

<< Comment #104 @ 10:12 CDT, 19 October 2009 >>

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Gandhi

OMG What about CZ, SK, Hungary, Slovenia, Serbia, HR?

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<< Comment #114 @ 19:46 CDT, 19 October 2009 >>

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LukKe - Reply to #104

+ for mentioning cz first!

<< Comment #119 @ 02:08 CDT, 20 October 2009 >>

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GUArd - Reply to #104

yeah and Baltic !!! ESTONIA LATVIA LITHUANIA!

<< Comment #120 @ 07:12 CDT, 20 October 2009 >>

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illogic - Reply to #104

and Romania

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eDDy - Reply to #104

Totally agree with gandhi!

Honestly ppl what kind of map have you checked before decision???? We need these countries ffs.

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<< Comment #125 @ 10:06 CDT, 21 October 2009 >>

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fws - Reply to #104

You are all free to join Poland. You will have new flag and language, but at least you will be able play Quake. For your own protection we may put some tanks here and there too.

<< Comment #105 @ 11:10 CDT, 19 October 2009 >>

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Anonymous (host-88-132-105-216.prtelecom.hu)

Where is Hungary, and the other countries? Good job ...(you need a fcking map man)

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<< Comment #115 @ 20:48 CDT, 19 October 2009 >>

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wch

No Australia? :O

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fws - Reply to #115

Kangaroos are too good at strafe jumping so they arent allowed to compete with rest of the world :P

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<< Comment #121 @ 08:12 CDT, 20 October 2009 >>

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Xyloe

Nice stuff.

Get the CZ/Hungarian boys etc. in though!

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<< Comment #127 @ 16:44 CDT, 21 October 2009 >>

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Ignignokt

Norway sucks. That is all.

<< Comment #128 @ 07:35 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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Nukm

i dont really get the system, how do you qualify for the national/region final?
fooki won the first event but is also palying the second? do you get points for your position in each cupand they add uP?

<< Comment #129 @ 10:44 CDT, 23 October 2009 >>

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therogue - Reply to #128

you get points for each cup