more than unlikely

Why is that? :(

think about it, nomip would give you an advantage with high picmip and since ql is catered towards noobs - who actually care about that little bit of eyecandy that is in ql - the players ql is designed for would have a disadvantage

That was the worst argument ever. What about muzzleflash and SG smoke? Your point isn't valid.

Exactly. There's much more cvars making game easier. To be honest I miss cg_nomip too. This is the only thing i would bring from q3 here.

Exactly. The one last cvar we need.

this is absolutely not comparable since nomip would gain you a infinitely higher advantage than disabling muzzleflash or any smoke

Tried playing with muzzle flash on?

Most annoying thing ever.

remember when there was no option to disable muzzleflash in ql?

still its way more advantageous to see through rocket explosions, plasma and shaft than getting rid of some annoying light

It is. Nomip doesn't give you higher advantage than disabling muzzleflash. I actually think that playing with no muzzleflash is much more of an advantage than playing with picmipped weapons. You can't see SHIT whit muzzleflash on.

But lets forget those two examples. I was just trying to point out that we have been given alot of comptettetive cvars that makes us able to customize the game already (such as the mentioned, altlightning, deadbodydarken, and many more). I can't see why we can't have nomip aswell.

Your point "ql is catered towards noobs - who actually care about that little bit of eyecandy that is in ql" makes no sense since these noobs wouldn't know about the earlier cvars either.

and how does an alternative lg beam, deadbodydarken or colored grenades have anything to do with my point?

Read the last part of my post.

I did and I still don't get how changing a lightning beam style has anything to do with game developers not wanting to have to make their game look like shit if you want have an edge over your opponents.
Please point it out to me

Removing smoke, removing muzzleflash, forcemodel+brightskin, possibility to change leveltimedirection are all very benefitting options that the noob doesn't know of. I don't think that nomip is any different.

The thing you don't get is that you _MUST_ make the game look like shit to have an advantage and with the other cvars you don't, but go ahead and avoid my argument I already know you do because you can't prove it wrong but you will start talking about how noobs don't know shit.

picmip?

?

r_picmip makes the game look terrible but it's allowed?

do you think you would be at a huge disadvantage if you had to play with r_picmip 0 other than that you're used to different look? I mean its not like you can suddenly see through things and stuff.

the problem with nomip is that you'd almost be forced to play with high picmip for an even playing field.

Yes, it is a disadvantage.

I actually agree with your opinion on nomip for the most part, I'd like to see consistency.

If it's locked because it is preventing the game looking bad, then I think all similar commands should be locked.

If it's locked because it is to create a level playing field, then I think all similar commands should be lock.

Not unlocking the nomip cvar to create a level playing field was the point I was trying to make all along and while I do agree with you that a lot of cvars should be locked in order to provide an even playing field, I think that CPL's approach was likely the best i.e. only allowing to make your config with the menu.

This rule combined with q4max' option to save your "menuconfigs" as profiles would even be great for noobs to try out pro settings which could be shared via the qlive site.

On a side note, you could take the idea of creating a level playing field even further with playing the console versions of games, especially in these days where you can just update games like their pc counterparts and every console has it's usb ports for mouse/keyboard. Imagine how a free game like qlive on a console could grow the community and interest in esports if you'd include GTV with shoutcast and stuff.

The game in a browser concept hast so much potential....sigh :/

u guys want ql like cs, where u can hardly tweak ur config.

tweaking my config is one of the points i like quake so much, because u can create ur own style..

I don't say this is how I want it but that this is how it should be for competitions.

This happens to a lot of sports, just look at how the FINA's rules have changed over the past couple of decades for swimming competitions.
Just to give you a few examples:

-you're not allowed to be underwater for more than 15 meters (it was boring as shit for spectators if some guys were underwater for like 45 meters)

-disqualifying on the first false start (making a skill out of reacting to the start signal rather than taking a chance and timing the signal out of feel + too many false starts could be a problem for TV station's schedules and thus the viewers)

-not allowing full body swimsuits for 2010 (a. stopping the world record flood caused by the swimsuits and b. creating a level playing field among teams with different sponsors (the new Adidas swimsuit is considered the best at the moment but the only team that is Adidas sponsored are the Germans, and some eastern European teams even have to use Diana swimsuits which are shit))

i understand does rules, for swimming.

so there should be less commands for tweaking, so spectators have more fun watching it?
thats silly because the gtv or what ever they use for spectators can have a default config loaded..

No, the rant about swim stuff was mainly to show that changes just have to happen in sports and that competitors will have to adapt, much like the hitbox/lg changes quake had recently or ten minute matches which imo is a good thing for spectators because of less garbage time.

Restricting certain options is much more to create equal conditions for everyone, sure you could argue that we have that already.
Allowing to make your config from menus only has already been done in multiple games and allows for a higher degree of transperency for spectators/fans/players.
We already had situations where this would've helped for example ESWC in q4 which has been the only major tournament back then that allowed user modified configs. Some people said this was the only reason winz or cypher did that well because they used a cvar that was causing clipping errors and sometimes allowed them to see their opponents through walls (which is something I have already experienced in qlive although only at one doorway on dm6).

edit: And what about the whole xerp stuff, this never would've happened if you weren't allowed to modify your config file or use the console.

There's nothing I want less than r_picmip "0"...

you make no sense

I don't really agree with this. I think most people at some point or another in their gaming endavour experience frustration and no huge improvement and look for ways to improve. They might experiment with graphics and or other settings and have an euphoric moment where they believe they're playing substantialy better. I think it's mostly placebo.

Look at rapha, he plays with default hud and a very low picmip and visible weapons and what not. Still he's in the top 3.

It's all about what you get used to and what you believe will make you feel comfortable when playing.

Like I said before there shouldn't be a problem playing with low picmip as it is right now.
But if you could suddenly see through rocket explosions and plasma spam that'd be a different thing.

what is it anyway?

no mip

what is mip anyway?

not a mop

i like you. wanna make out?

r_picmip makes the engine use higher levels of
mip-mapping on the textures. cg_nomip allows you to decide which effects it will use mip-mapping, and which it wont (and is only needed because you use r_picmip at "crazy" values which means that some things blur out beyond where you want them)

The whole thing is a massive abuse of the r_picmip cvar - both for world geometry (where its probably not the best way to apply a blur / fixed colour to the whole level). It is however far worse when applied to things like explosions where you're using it to change the average transparency levels.

the cg_nomip setting is a bitmask for q3 osp, where one could enable/disable textures "r_picmip" if it should always be r_picmip 0 on weapon fire, or if it should have same texture as r_picmip.

http://www.negitaku.org/images/guide/q3/osp/image/cg_nomip0.jpg

http://www.negitaku.org/images/guide/q3/osp/image/cg_nomip1.jpg

insert image fucked me, so just press -.-

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I'd like that picmip'd shaft more than nomip

Nomip is the remedy for the picmipped shaft. Or do you mean that you would be satisfied with an lightningstyle value offering that look?

I would imagine them adding it as a lightningstyle if they do.

gief :(

i want nomip back too only for plasma and rockets..

and i want the command cg_deadBodyFilter back :)

cg_deadBodyFilter - is that supposed to make dead bodies invisible? Won't happen, then.

yes, why wont it happen whats the advantage of that?

because a corpse can be blown up from a grenade or rocket.

or, in other words, it's a physical object and it can (although rarely) effect gameplay.

how can it affect gameplay? u can remove all shadows, that effects gameplay too. doesnt brightskins affect gameplay also. i cant think of 10 more thinks that affects gameplay.. so that argument is BS ;)

It's like if grates got picmipped to a solid texture. You could shoot rockets and grenades through what looks like solid floor. This is undesirable.

quote:
"because a corpse can be blown up from a grenade or rocket."

The reason is because the corpses in Q3/QL are real physical things that affect the game environment. You can't just choose to turn them off.

Dead bodies can be gibbed, which means that they can also block shots.. if there is a dead body on the ground that you haven't gibbed that lies between you and your opponent, you can fire a grenade towards your enemy and if it touches the dead body then the grenade explodes. You can't have a personal choice as to whether or not that body is there.

From SyncError

Exactly. I'd like to see an example of this ever happening.

indeed this would most probably never happen, offcourse there is a possibility i can happen. and this almost applies only for the grenade launcher..

i still think its not a good enough reason to leave the command out :)

pros would keep the bodies anyways since they sometimes have to blow them up to deny dead and not-yet-respawned opponents timing / movement information.

blowing the dead body up won't make your opponent respawn ... :)

does it change your viewpoint? i'm actually unsure :d

i dont think so

i know but it makes it impossible to look around your body?

huh?!

Nvm i remember it from somewhere ;)

... until a medic comes.

Hmm, simply removing dead bodys from the game is impossible. But you can hide them, but they still will be there. So if that's what cg_deadbodyfilter makes it wouldn't be that impossible.

ProoF?!

its doesnt do much really, only just when u kill someone u dont see a deadbody..

and how long does it take for a deadbody too dissapear in QL, not very long? so it hardly changes the gameplay..

its a OSP command, u can try it there and see what it does.

Slap af Jalle andre ting der er mere vigtig.

Yeah major things like new maps, GTV, and compettetive servers. But these things takes time, while we wait we have been giving many useful minor cvars and I would like to be given this one aswell.

lol =)

Hmm thought it did? my lg is like picmip 1 or w/e

cuz picmip 1 is default, not picmip 0

cg_nomip should be available i think like other view customing cvars. Everyone wants to play in full comfort, so why somebody having this requirement can't set it up? I always say that is better to have a choice than to play on from top imposed principles. By the way the argument saying about noobs (you treat them like an animals having instinct - not the liveware) is confusing me a little bit. Are they all invalids that they can't read? type few words on a keyboard? In potential update changelog should be all written and explained how does cg_nomip work and how to set it up, I dont see a problem.

yeah we all have been noobs, and look at us now nerding about a command that should be in the game..

Yepp, cg_nomip should be there. I do not see how getting blinded by stupid rocket explosions/plasma affects the gameplay in a positive way.
Whenever I play some Q3 it is such a relief for the eye.
I want to fight my opponent and not my monitor.
And regarding the advantage it gives, one is supposed to play with people on a more or less the same skill level which means that they normally have the same "skill" on cvars.
Beside that, picmip, brightskins etc. give advantage too, that's why people use them.

ye bring cg_nomip back://

Ammm nomip ---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRwRqOv3JyY

how ffs

probably didn't play like that, and just played the demo back in an unpure quakelive

Wtf is up with this guy's movement? :D

q3 ?? ;)

there is cg_nomip cvar in ql from 0-15 but this dosent do nothing

No, that's just because you've executed a config from Q3, so it's ended up in your QL configs.