I have the same issue on my SuperMat, however rotating the pad doesn't fix a thing.

honestly if a mouse requires this kind of hassle to function properly I'd say go for something else (cheaper?)..

could be still being affected at a scale that you just dont notice

it's a nice mouse on other pads :|

Dunno what would be going through somebodies mind when purchasing a mouse with no sidebuttons these days.

don't need em

don't need em

wat they said

never had them, never want them

they tend to get in the way and mess up my grip

also doesnt raw input disable anything higher than mouse3?

no

sidebuttons lol

what pads are affected?

seems all cloth pads....i have no issue with the mouse on any of my hard pads, but all cloth pads make the mouse wig out and jitter randomly.

just buy a salmosa or kinzu

i heard/seems like salmosa has no drift control and not as many dpi options as DA

salmosa without drivers :
125 500 or 1000 hz
800 or 1800 dpi

with drivers :
probably the same...

drift control :
what do you mean exactly ?

i was wrong i meant even though it uses the same sensor as the old DA 3g, it still has prediction and that can't be adjusted (fuckin dumb).

and also the kinzu is Worthless, that's all that needs to be said really.

I just got it, and i need a new mouse.

playin with the kinzu for 3 weeks now.

It's a pretty good mouse.

I play with the kinzu cuz of the shape.

Playing on QcK+, 800 dpi, 500hz, no drivers.

I don't care about all these predictions crap, as long as the sensor is decent and as longas i can mouse the mouse fast without any trouble. Maybe there's positive/neg accel, I can't say, really, I just play. I used a razer krait before the kinzu.

Strenx & linkin are also using a kinzu, and they don't seem to complain about anything particular (not sure about linkin though, cuz he went from a ms 1.1 for 6 years to a kinzu recently, soz dunno if he will stick with this one). Also, just look at noctis mouse...
Okay, i'm not saying that "if pro players can play with 'crap' mouse, then you can aswell". I don't want to lick proga(y)mers (;D) ass, but imo, if someone can hit 45% shaft or 60% rail with the kinzu, then i guess that the mouse is good enough for any kind a competitive play. And from my own experience, it's ok, really.
Never tried the salmosa/DA or any MS 3.0/1.1 though... But seriously, people these day are just "sensor whores", I mean if they don't get their 465363 dpi with PERFECT moveemnt rendering & 4363646 G limit of mouseaccel, they just start to cry and blame the mouse for their lack of skill.
IMO, you have to find the right balance between practice & config. If you relly your skill to much on your config, then you won't go "far". If you really don't care about your config (for example if you play with random noname mouse + 50-90 fps & bad ping), then even with 425435 years of practice, you will still "suck".
Maybe the DA sensor is much better than the kinzu one, but do I really need the perfect sensor to aim like toxic ? I don't think so... Do I really need 80€ mouse to aim like him ? No, ofc.

it has inherent accel with or without drivers. I'm only on Win XP. I feel this with 500hz and 400 dpi and 1600 dpi, and its not just minor amount either. I use a fast sens.

The prediction is an issue, and its especially bad on this mouse.

The buttons are too stiff. The mouse feel in general feels like a poor mans wmo. That would be tolerable if it weren't for the really really god awful tracking/accel and the incredibly stiff buttons.

hitting "45% shaft and 60%rail" can be situational. If indeed this happened, they coulda been playing a buncha chumps, hitting easier shots, etc. I was putting up good stats (equally good) and shots against competent players/situations with the mouse; still didn't prevent me from seeing the fact that its quite flawed and not optimal.

The DA does not cost 80, but the shape turns me off.

Salmosa has angle snapping (aka prediction/correction) or drift control as Razer calls it

yes my bad i meant it DOES have "drift control", or prediction.


Also I thought angle snapping was a slightly different thing from prediction/correction? You know of what have been peoples results of that 3.5g sensor on icemat and sx?

wmo lad

There's something inherently wrong with these high-dpi laser mice and I suspect it has more to do with a tiny image than the sensor technology. A 30x30 array at 3500 cpi is 8.6 mils per side. That's 0.22 mm for you metric folk. That's an extraordinarily tiny image and it is possibly far smaller than the details present on most mousepads.

Except for the fact that it's an optical mouse, not laser.

take your facts somewhere else, mister

I got schooled there.

Still, the shrinking image size of high DPI sensors (regardless of tech) seems like it could be a pretty significant problem. It would explain why old bargain-bin 400 dpi mice track so well (aside from overflow issues on the worst of them) and newer pricy mice are so shitty.

so why cant they put their working tracking system into a mouse with a normal shape? mouse manufacturers still dont seem to have figured out that great sensor & pilot shape = cant improve upon

anyone tried it on icemat?

It also works just fine in the Razer Goliathus "Control" cloth pad.