l8r i noticed that in the razer drivers > advanced settings > win pointer speed doesn't have the same value as in win settings(control panel>mouse). And i noticed if i change the speed in windows last, the razer drivers dont bypass it.
I asked a few ppl and they don't feel any difference when they change win sensitivity, since the setting in the razer driver is hijacking / bypassing it.


my settings atm: 900dpi; 1000hz; driver sens 10; driver pointer speed 3 (win 4); no accel; not enabled master sensitivity:

The deathadder performs better at 1800 dpi rather than 450 or 900 dpi, and you should use 500hz instead of 1000hz since most mobos cant actually handle 1000hz stable, and it is just going to stress your cpu. As for drivers, my current mouse is a salmosa and I previously owned a diamondback, and I preffered not using any drivers at all, since most of the configurations settings are not needed and I dont have to bother messing with sens/accel settings on the drivers. Windows sens and ingame sens are preference, I previously used 1600 dpi with 6/11 in windows with 3 ingame, and now I use 800 dpi with 8/11 in windows with 3 ingame (6 if using raw input since it ignores windows settings).

is that a characteristic of the 3500 DA ? (the dpi thingy)

ah found it...u ment coz of this -> Sujoy's Razer DeathAdder Review

How can you tell if your mobo can handle 1000hz? I use 1000hz on an old Dell and it seems to work fine, but perhaps I'm not noticing the instability. I never understood why anybody would use anything less than 1800dpi/1000hz with a DA since they are so stable even at high velocities with a low sens...

1800dpi@500hz ftw

Just don't touch the win pointer speed. It will break the mouse input unless you are in xp 32-bit.

i am using xp 32. but non the less, doesn't raw input bypass win sens? so it doesn't rly matter?
what do u mean by break?

when continuously drawing a circle in mspaint my cursor would be at the top-right of the screen after like 100 rotations... but I guess in_mouse -1 would bypass that bug in-game
leaving win sens at default fixes the bug for me.

my perfect settings in the DA drivers are: 1800 dpi, 1000Hz, razer sens 6, win sens 5 (default), ql sens 1.1 (40cm/360°)

do you even have a rzr mouse (with drivers installed)? because it doesn't seem like it ....

I noticed this with both my diamondback on xp 64 and deathadder on vista 32 so I think it's best to just not touch it

sigh why do people obsess over settings?
i just installed razer drivers and played. i think i'm pretty decent at cpm and its definately not the mouse hindering me

its not obsessing, its more of wanting the mouse to work properly, so not to handicap my self.
i don't expect to play better or smth, all i want is that my mistakes are mine own, and not a hw glitch.

believe me, the time you spend researching 'perfect settings' is better put practising

hence i'm not researching, i'm asking for conclusions

and i dont praccy, since my goal isn't to get better, its to have fun

90percent of the vq3 community are pretty good at cpm... it only features 15 players.

i was pretty good in vq3 aswell, but yeah... well done missing the point :-D

i was only joking, you know i'm a faithful cpm'er! :)

oh its luke, i had to look at your profile. sorreh

Yea, obsessing over 50ping is better.

yeah, that actually makes a difference :)
0,01 sens one or other way is just a matter of getting used to.

say that to a sniper 200 meters away from the target :D

i bet his accuracy would be better at 5 meters.

Don't get me wrong, i totally agree with you. A delay of 0.04 seconds in my communication with the server can lead me to have no fun playing the game. On the other hand, buying a 80e mouse and asking what's the optimal setup for it, is just foolish.

both you and i know 50 ping feels a lot different than 300 dpi difference does.

i was not asking about personal preference ("300 dpi difference")

and again, how is this obsessing. i'm not asking whats the best sens or smth, i'm just asking with what settings does the mouse work properly. So to know what to leave alone, and what can be changed.

its another subject on how sad it is that after so many years we have to first establish if the mouse works properly, and only after that can we chose one to meet our preferences

i'm not targeting you only, it's the general idea that mouse settings makes you a better/worse player.

you should not be targeting me at all then:)

this isn't a 80e mouse, and if u by "optimal setup" mean that the mouse works properly i don't see how that is foolish. why would anyone self handicap him self with buying a new mouse and use settings that hinders him

If i had my sarcasmstick i'd smack you in the face with it. To clear it up for you, link a few months ago didn't want to play the game cause his ping was 50. Many people, after spending so much money on a mouse, would ask "what are the best settings for DA", as many people would find not playing the game cause you have 50 ping ridiculous. I thought it was disingenuous to "sigh" about other people's obsessions while his own prevented him from even playing the game. Clear?

thank you

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1655253#pid1655253

Here's what I went by, I stopped razerhid from starting up as well as he suggest in his post below that one.

Might need to restart after you've removed it from startup rather then just ending the razerhid process, since doing that gave me a bluescreen at some random time.

ye, so basically same as injx suguested (lower win sens, since direct input and raw input bypass it). and erk also said to remove or disable drivers.

k will do that. ty for pointing out that post m8.

cant get why reason to remove/disable drivers .have u any proof that razer sensitivty algorithm somehow fail comparing to that 1:1 ?

i did test where i had razer driver sensitivity at 3500dpi, no accel, in_mouse 2:

3 sens notch, ql sens 1.5 = 39cms/360
10 sens notch, ql sens 0.45 = 39cms/360

I also would like to know where is all that information from and what makes u guys so sure?
Razer mice are mainly designed for gaming, why should they put anything in the driver which produces inputlag?

Easter egg.

why would they sell tonns of faulty mice / mice with buttons that wear out quicker then ever and with slippery sides?

You should probably reply to the original poster that suggestet that.

Because they are incompetent retards.

I am using an old dell to play ql. Should I be using 1000hz or 500hz and why?

Input lag.. (the time it takes to register movement from mouse to pc, i think?)

125hz (default) gives you 16ms(?) of input lag
500hz gives you 2ms
1000hz gives you 1ms.

Maybe someone else could give you a better explanation than that^ :)

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500hz is considered to be the most popular, giving you low input lag and lower cpu useage than 1000hz.

Does 1000hz really use up enough cpu power to create performance issues in quakelive?... I don't see why 500 is so popular.

So people say.

lol reyn1r apropos proof ^^
tonns of faulty mice, where u got that from? I assume u work for razer. my first deathadder lasted 3 years hardcore gaming I think thats okay.

I just got that feeling from the 400 reply guide to setting up the deathadder on this site and the 25 page forum on razerblueprints about just this mouse. First thing mine did was scraping my mousepad.
I'm not looking to proof anything and neither am I sure of driver producing inputlag, I just pointed him to a post where someone who seems to know suggested a few things. I'm just pointing out how silly it is to think they can't possibly have some driver problems "since they were designed for gaming" when for alot of people the mouse wasn't even usable straight out of the box.

,,I sure of driver producing inputlag''
If you are so sure, how do u wanna explain it to us then ? You need to have some argument if you saying like that.

Id like to know it cuz if so ill disable drivers. But till now i have no reason cuz calculation didnt fail.

I'm not sure, I didn't say I was sure. I said I wasn't sure. I'm not sure!!!! ..neither am I sure.. = I'm not sure.

To OP

I usually set my Deathadder for 450 DPI and 500 hz.

I think there's a lot of confusion because of Sujoy's Mousescore article.

The Deathadder still preforms better at 450 DPI 500 hz than a MS 3.0 at 1000 hz. In normal gaming you will never move the mouse fast enough for it to skip.

Look, a lot of pro's use the MS 3.0 at normal settings because you can't install USB polling software in competitions and not a single one has any issues with it, and the MS 3.0 only does 1.1 m/s!

I would like to point out that Sujoy's tests where carried out on the same mouse surface, "an advantage for some mouse brands/ bad for lasers for instance".

Just use the setting you like and keep using it until you get used to it, and for Gods sake don't keep changing it. You will never get used to it if you do.