You're doing the right thing it seems, just keep practising..

Thanks.

Or it could be because it's just a game and people don't really care that much.

This.

/thread

and more fun to play aggressive, more fun to loose 17-20 then wining 1-0. zzzzzzz

100%

1. Most people overestimate their own aims.
2. Most people have no clue about the probabilities of winning a situation.

That's basically it.

Edit: Though if you seem to notice, then you should be able to outthink your opponent, which means you get better and should start playing opponents who think about their game.

Haha yeah I've noticed it makes more sense to play against people who got a clue. Again it's just like poker, people without a clue can do anything, it's just random.

Thanks for responding, appreciated.

And by most people, you mean yourself

In my understanding of English, most people isn't a synonym for myself.

Find me on quakelive and we can have a few duels. Best thing to do is to play a few games and speak about it afterwards. To that end I miss quake lans.

I buddyadded you, 'adrian_' :).

Never listen to funnyb ffs :( it'll only end in tears...

unless you're talking about pokemon, then he'll go on and on about how much better his main 6 are than yours =/

Mine are the best.

No, mine are. In other news, I stepped on my ds getting out of bed a few days ago and broke it =[ no more soul silver for me.

Didn't realise they were out :o

Will have to wait anyway...

They still are.

sounds like a good opportunity to +back rocket spam, go qlive.

isnt funnyb one of these clueless cpm nerds? no wonder he gives shitty advice

carrot-rumour on the street is that funnyb is top tier cpm player, playing for some AWZUM swedish team with fox and other iceclimber players, he must be best ???

fox is not playing is he, and röp is ughe nerd. also fb was 2ez on amphi when I played from BBB myself B<

nobody in ru8 plays, so ur logic is unsmartable ;(

also sif

edit:

http://data.fuskbugg.se/skalman01/-shot0072.jpg

yes he's playing, most actively, 100% times yes.

4v3 GOOD JOB

we 4v3'd your mum

You ask what's wrong or right in general, but there's no 'in general', imho, and results should normally be self-explanatory. If your opponent who behaves like this is losing to you, he's doing it wrong. If he's winning, he's doing it right. It's impossible to guess the truth without much info. So maybe some of these ppl aim better than you and don't feel like they need big items to fight you. Or maybe they time worse than you and don't have high hopes for items. Maybe they aim worse but don't realize it, or maybe their way to play QL is to rush around. So many guesses, ppl and situations are different. Why not ask them after the game? Why you take risks, do you time by second, this type of stuff.

Because people wouldn't bother to answer in general :) I've found there's a few kind of people out there, the ones wanting to improve, asking for a rematch even when they lose, the ones who leave as soon as they don't get mega unrailed on ztn, and so on. I was hoping there'd be (semi)serious duelers on this page with some hints and tips, yet I know my post is very fuzzy.

It's hard to explain what I'm after but really anything that'll improve my game is good. Watching my own demos is a goldmine, being able to find spots where I even go "the fuck am i doing" myself isn't a good sign.

Because people wouldn't bother to answer in general :)

That sounds like you haven't tried it, I usually ask what I want and get talked to. QL-chatting is underrated. =)

the ones who leave as soon as they don't get mega unrailed on ztn

That's not necessarily a sign of non-seriousness. Maybe they're losing so much that this particular match isn't worth playing further, and they've got other plans already so they have no time for a rematch, so they just disconnect.

It sure sounds like you are on of these "getting mh unrailed" players...

Yeah I disconnect sometimes when I'm tired or have other things to do and the match is beyond winning. What's the problem with that? It isn't worth explaining why you leave to ppl you don't know, just say gg and disc.

...it's lame?

What and why?

Heh, well if you feel that the game is beyond winning if you get railed whilst picking up the mega at the start of a game I feel ver sry for you opponents.

I don't really care if you or others quit in the _middle_ of games, but doing it when not even 5 seconds have passed... It makes you wonder why you even ruped in the first place...

I didn't say what you attribute to me.

You're defending people that do.

And you're whining for no reason. Somebody quit the game, aww! =) You cannot possibly survive it, deep emotional suffering ensues =)

How many games have you actually finished??

And worth adding, in 9 out of 10 cases spamming grenades and just hoping for one to bounce right isn't going to work :) It's a good way to cut off escape routes or such but just hoping to get lucky? That'll never get you anywhere in the long run.

In that case you sound like you already know all answers to your questions.

I'm appreciating all your answers, and I'm just expressing myself poorly. What's most intriguing to me is finding out whether this is planned or not? Do people play this way alot, would you guys(ESReality users/other duelers) risk alot on 50/50 situations?

I'm not sure where to ask if not here, trust me I've seen the QL forums :)

Again, I appreciate all the answers though!

That's not necessarily a sign of non-seriousness. Maybe they're losing so much that this particular match isn't worth playing further, and they've got other plans already so they have no time for a rematch, so they just disconnect.

If they don't have time for a rematch with a game haven gone less than 15 seconds in, would they have time to play in the first place? :) I think it's just people not being able to take defeat very well, even though it means so little in this specific case.

Planned or not, it depends on people. What kind of a general answer can you find on a forum? It almost sounds like you've got an opinion already, that everybody you've played had no clue, and you came here to affirm it. If so, you're wasting people's time.

less than 15 seconds in

Maybe their ISP works so bad that it randomly disconnects them. Happens to me sometimes.

If I'm wasting peoples time I apologize, not here to troll, as I stated, i probably phrased myself bad.

And I have a hard time seeing it as a coincidence that people's internet just happen to go down right after something bad happens to them. But I'm not here to call people out on anything, if anything I'm glad there's so much people dueling :) can find a game any time of the day!

You ask what's wrong or right in general, but there's no 'in general', imho, and results should normally be self-explanatory. If your opponent who behaves like this is losing to you, he's doing it wrong. If he's winning, he's doing it right.

i disagree. winning does not necessarily mean you're doing it right, poker is a good teacher here :)

on 50/50 situations: maybe the threadstarter should look at aveks demos a bit. i don't enjoy watching him but he can teach you a lesson about inflicting damage on an opponent and the cumulative effect taking them down in the end. after all quake isn't about one battle but winning after the clock ran out.

some people are just bad at quake though.

Well if you win way more than you lose then you probably are doing it right :)

winning does not necessarily mean you're doing it right

That's true, but as a general rule it makes sense to assume that your opponent is doing something right (relatively to what you're doing) rather than ascribe everything to chance.

well calling situations "50/50" kinda oversimplifies the situation. but there are a lot of possible reasons

your opponent might have misjudged your health/armor or just overestimated his fighting ability. so for him it does not seem 50/50.
or if someone realizes you outsmart him he is not necessarily wrong to take a fight where he at least has a chance. same in poker, if you know your opponent is better than you, why not play your pocket pair and take the coinflip?
also (especially lower skilled) people dont always play to win. they just run around without timing and enjoy the fighting.
...

"also (especially lower skilled) people dont always play to win. they just run around without timing and enjoy the fighting."

I guess, this might be it most of the times.

Oh and the "...", you sound annoyed? I'm not trying to annoy anyone here, really. I'm just curious and trying to learn.

hehe nah, it was meant as 'there are further possibilities that i am not mentioning'
dont get the wrong impression about esr, its not as bad here as some people think

I'm expecting it to be really "bad", so I can only get happily surprised. This way I won't get disappointed, right?

And yeah of course my post is a bit fuzzy, I should re-write it all, yet I feel I could just let it go and practice on the bits I mentioned :) my timing really needs a trim.

fight first, think later.

Most mediocre players, myself included, will +forward when they hear the "enemy weak" pain sounds, despite the fact the enemy could have 100 to 200 armor. Also the moment of surprise changes situations in your favor, that's why I +forward at times and be insta killed when the enemy reacts fast.

Don't underestimate aim. You can win all aim against most players that have good attack but a weak +back game. Also you can outsmart the enemy all you want, if he rushes in and hits perfect rockets / 70% lg you still die.

"Hey there, you might know me from doing some of what you've called beginner-lol-newb posts "

keep up the good work

Hey thanks, good thing I'm not really bothered about what you trolls think though :)

But thanks.

innit mate, you just do yer thing, give 110% every night, focus on your game and you're bound to hit gold one day. gl hf

run around and pew pew, time the mega if its srs buisness

the best game is the best aim by being in the best position in both stack and map

cya

tbh its all aim at mid level play. yes "some" control but why bother controlling anything when u can effectively rape someone anywhere at any time with any gun with any armour stack

ping wins.

all top duellers come from areas of the world that ping something stupid to the servers.... less than 10?

so they can have advantage of near lan play. then they can concentrate on the mind games etc in more details.

IMO

Interesting theory. I thought the americans pinged 60 in most online games towards eachother though? I might be mistaken by a long shot.

I'd say 30-60 is most common.

So point made :) Myself playing 90% of the time on 48-60 ping can say straight away there's an huge difference to playing on 20, I can't even begin to imagine the lan feeling then.

Thanks for the information.

Yah, but Americans are more no lifers.

POLOS IS RULES!

backpedal until your opponent gets bored and wants to fight, thats how you win in QL duel

hey mate try this video

That sounds really interesting, I'll definitely have a look, thank you. :)

I'm getting mentoring from funnyb(or carrot whatever, irl buddy)

Does he " mentor" you irl aswell ? cause that would make me so jealous!

Well uhm yeah, he's mostly sitting next to me while I duel, I've said it before and I'll say it again ->

lucky basterd, id do anything to get my hands on his hot ass.

fuckass is actually able to beat me by now, not throwing enough wrenches i guess

never should a pupil be able to defeat his master :/ you sir are a bad mentor!

IF YOU CAN DODGE A WRENCH, YOU CAN DODGE A ROCKET!!

Haha yeah. :D I believe the correct term would be tough love in this case

'=]
I agree with most people here, in that you can't play mindgames with mid-skilled players. They tend to rely on all aim, maybe time one item, and for the most part are wildly unpredictable (asides from hunting spawns once they've gotten a frag.)
Of course, trying to be unpredictable is a good thing, but there's a difference between mindless running and trying to break patterns/routes one knows they do all too much. I suppose if you're playing against players of your skill who do not play very smart, I'd say the best you can do is out-control them and only fight if you're in a position that provides equal opportunity to run, as well as deal damage.
Yeah, you'll get lots of shit for being +back, but it's a legitimate strategy.

It's really hard to get to play against good players being a nobody, which makes it hard to practice. I play every zotac and g-data cup available HOPING to get to play a good player, this sunday i first got a russian player called impulse7snorlax whom from what I've heard have been in the russian TDM nationalteam a few times? Then second round i got cypher, which sounds like a nightmare but I enjoyed it alot.

And you're right, it's a huge difference on being unpredictable because you want to be or because you just are, most of the time I think one step too many ahead of my opponents(hi Rapha), and therefore lose. This is a HUGE letdown when chasing, I'm trying to be the smart one, he does the obvious move and I'm outsmarted by it!

But yes, it's hard for a nobody like myself to get good practice without having made a name for yourself, I never get to really practice on my mindgame yet, just improve what I currently know, which is OK-timing, good aim, decent movement and work on my shardplay.

Learning to play effectively when you're understacked or out of control is as important as getting control and keeping it, imo.

That's the shardplay im talking about, which is what I'm practicing the most at the moment.

It's good both for keeping a lead without having to push for full control, and it's important when you're totally out of control. Ztn for example, some people seem to ignore shards completely which is fine by me, there are 11 shards on the map, 11x5=55 which means they're ignoring an extra YA for me to take. when I can't challenge for the RA or mega.

Also trying to manage to keep timing on mega when not in control, not to challenge for it, but being able to put some hurt on when my opponent goes for it. But it's mostly just theory right now, I'm working on what I know and am trying to improve that, will see where it goes from there.

the thing is, the shards are dangerous to pick up, its best to not go there at all if you're out of control and unsure about your opponent's position (e.g. you take 15 or 30 armor and rail for 80 from above...)

The megashards I agree, the RL ones are basicly there for you for when you are out of control. A good route from RL to the YA through the tele and back toe the RA gives you 75 armor and the rocketlauncher, which is so important when you're playing out of control. That and the railgun.

God i come off like I know everything, I'm saying what comes to mind at the moment, these are not facts, this is my opinion :) don't take me as bigheaded, I know I'm bad.

Sounds like you can think strategy pretty solid, but maybe you're just having trouble with execution for now.

sometimes i play vs ppl that are too stupid to make certain shit, like having 40 hp while i have 150 100 and rush me, and sometimes i actually die in those situations cuz i can't predict that someone can be that stupid -_-

Interesting point of view on that situation...

yep, very true and annoying sometimes
i actually think that i play a lot better against people who actually know what they are doing

This is true :) you can predict them alot better.

dumb question

dont listen to funnyb

Why?

Cuz ze Germans tell you what you should think.

just keep it up! :)

Playing unpredictable will win you games if you do it "correctly", this is an answer to you're 50/50 question.
Choose your battles!

About the GL spamming, I agree that it can be quite pointless, nobody attacks with only a GL unless they are caught at, for instance, GL spawn at ztn with nowhere to run...

Though you can spam in a smart way as well, check some jibo demos, if i'm not mistaken he uses alot of gl in his games............

Also Jamerio wont agree with the winding up people part, since winding up dorks is his main reason for him being on the internetz, according to himself.

you have to attack! kill! kill! kull! Diiiie!

the only things i question is, why hasn't funnyb commented on this post, how come this guy suddenly appears in the community shortly after funnyb tells me he's playing again and the poker chat is blatently a funnyb trait :o) I WONDER

i got nothing to comment on since i talk to him personally, i thought that made sense even to you mista lova

plus i discourage him to post on esr, nobody here knows anything about dueling anyway apart from like, two people.

list em, i dare you!

i actually thought of you as one of the two. give us some demos to analyze? we've seen like only cooller demos and need new perspective, send me some good ones from you?! :D

ok good ones is unecessary, just any demos? :D

only got tdm demos :p

that'd be helpful, just not right now. :D tdm scene for beginners is dead, ql tdm is doomed

duel more biatch!

he obviously knew you thought of him as one, otherwise he wouldn't have replied to get you to tell everyone else.

well ya but i might aswell confirm it. :D

i was merely curious, there are plenty of good players posting on esr every now and then :F

also, it's weird to you i got pokerplaying friends? :D

i know your ways mr B!

not enough it seems 8D also i said i started playing ql again? tf

i play fallout3. :D it lags on my computer though :(

jo just creating some ESR drama!

no you're not, you're actually believing this. :D

but i love you anyway <3 to me you're like 7-3 off suit is to joe hachem <3 (his winning hand from WSOP 2005 main event)

but you're way off anyway .:D

:o(

Wait, are you calling me ugly? Or rather, suggesting that I am? You're on my blacklist buddy.

fb is seksy :o)) - anyways aren't i in your clan!?

I don't recognize your name, but if you know kris I'm sure you could be? But then he's a prick online, I know your kind!

with that kind of attitude i quit!

French.

i'll get melted to beat you up.

listen to funnyb!

I listen to anyone who seems to have a clue, then I check with people i trust(funnyb?) if they actually have a clue or just an opinion.

But all posts are good posts, even though alot are just "lol@you"

I would take it easy with the poker analogies. Quake isn't nearly as luck based. Maintain solid aim and strategy; you will beat the lesser player.

Yes as Nukm stated I'm simplyfying it too much, I'm having hard time getting my point through

Kind of wish i could rewrite it all, but then again, I'll learn the most from playing more. Routine beats everything, right?

Yes routine helps a lot, but if you want to improve you need to put in "focused practice" or "mindful practice". A lot of players hit a ceiling and never get better because they are just casually gaming, not actively learning. Be aware of what you are trying to work on, be it aiming/mouse control/reactions or strategy/timings/opponent knowledge etc. There are a lot of things you need to be thinking about in quake, so try to focus practice each of them individually then put them all together.

If you read my mainpost I got the things I'm supposed to practice, and I do that. I purposely lose control in the beginning to learn to re-take it, I try to take the lead to just regain control, OR to take a lead, lose control and play safe.

It's just like you're saying, focus on specific things. At the moment I'm learning maps I don't know, I don't mind losing at all, I learn something from every duel I play. Positioning, where people hide when they're out of control, where they run when they're hiding, all that kind of things. If there's alot of typos in this post it's because I've been drinking with funnyb all night, so my apologies.

But my point is, you're exactly right. Routine, meaning playing playing playing only gets you thus far, you need to focus on your faults and mistakes and the actual situations to improve further, which is what my mainpost states:

Positioning
Mindgames
Traps
Shardplay
And being aggressive at the right time.

Also timing obviously, which I'm working on at the moment on my currently best map ztn. Once i get a decent timing by routine, I'll improve my dueling skills by atleast 20%.

Seems like you're really into it. If that's the case, I suggest flash cards for learning item timing. Making calculations in the heat of battle takes too much time. So just memorize the timing of armors/mega :). It should only take a matter of hours to master with the help of flash cards. ie: write 28 on one side, and 53 on the other, depending on your clock setting.

Wow that's really smart. And yeah right now I'm motivated to learn, I'm a competitive person which makes me thrive for success no matter what I do, which is why I'm so serious right now, "even though it's just a videogame".

The flashcards were a great idea, right now I'm doing the +30 then +5 megatiming, but I guess getting it stuck on my retina would help me by alot. Thanks man, you're great help.

no prob

This was actually awesome, I convinced my girlfriend to sit down with me and hold up a card, give me only a second to say the correct "answer" before she told me, and it's actually already helping, ingenious.

wtf are flashcards?

Just small construction paper cards used for studying. You write a question on one side and the answer on the other. You can memorize armor/mega timings fairly quickly with them.

Watch Cypher!

I actually played him in the second round of last zotac :) lost 22-6 on a map I don't know at all, he's amazing but I don't like his style. Cooller and some rapha has been extremly helpful in stackplay, watching cooller play dm13 out of control is incredible, he's so knowledgeable and got such understanding for the game it''s scary :)

thanks for your answer!

Then watch him and try to figure out how he decides when to attack and when not to, his "50/50" battles! :}

I don't see cypher doing the 50/50 battles im talking about. nor cooller. Cypher played relatively unseriously against me, being a nobody but yet want to win, but he knew which fights to pick.

So I guess you're right, thanks for your input, its greatly appreciated!

Dude you only lost to cypher by 16 points and you just started?
That's pretty awesome. :)

16 points

wat

wut

Thank you. :) First time playing an actual progamer, it was silly. It didn't feel like he hit more lg than the other players, it just felt like his did 12dmg instead of 7 per second.

I was blown away at times, the best at the game really knows how to play it well.

idd awesome, since cypher probably played 100% serious against someone he had never heard of before.

Yeah it's not like he'd rape most of us no matter how serious he took it.

that's bs - i played vs avek during a break of the IEM qualifiers and also lost 20:7 or smth - just because he didn't play seriously and im by no means a good dueller. if he had played seriously it would have been smth like 27:1

In my defence, I'm satisfied with the result due to the fact that i had never played the map before either.

But then no, I'm sure cypher didn't play 100% too.

cypher's one of those players who doesnt play like eswc finals when he plays a midskill

To be honest if you're going to watch and attempt to emulate a player I'd watch Rapha demos all day, he's the most "complete" player.

Cypher would be nigh on impossible to take anything from unless you have that sixth sense rocket aim of his.

I'm watching demos from people whoms style I can relate to, I know Rapha is the best around, but I play alot more like cooller(in my way of playing, not that I'm anywhere close to being close to him in any way)

so I'm trying to build on what I got so far, which is made best by learning from people whom I can relate to.

Yea, i agree. But atleast you'd have fun while watching cypher :}

Like others have said, the chances in poker are much more straight forward. Whereas there's a lot that happens in each situation in a Quake match. There's lots of chance, but there's also lots of variables (even very slight change in positions can change the outcome of a fight and even a game). Same with aim -- one day someone can be hitting everything and the next they hit nothing by only a few pixels off.

Just practice. There's nothing else to be said. And also try to keep learning. Don't play players you always beat. Play players who kick your ass. That's how to get better.

The only player that I'm aware of that went from pretty much a nobody to insane talent almost overnight was Rikoll in Quakeworld. And it seems that mostly his talent comes from only playing top-players constantly and being very self-critical of how he plays games.

Just practice. There's nothing else to be said. And also try to keep learning. Don't play players you always beat. Play players who kick your ass. That's how to get better.

I'd love that, problem is, they don't want to play me, because as you say, they learn nothing from playing easy games. I sign up to every zotac/g-data tourney atm to get to play all kind of players, recently beat some experienced russian player(impulse7 snorlax?) even though being down 5:1 at one point. End score being 16:5, so I think I'm improving.

But like I've stated previously, improving seems to be more about knowing WHAT to improve, not just playing. Playing gives me routine, playing all kind of playstyles gives me experience.

Thanks for your input, loving it.

if you already play longer than 3 weeks... make sure you open and hit angels well. i cant stress that enough.

first pick a sens where u move 100% flawless. and by flawless i mean that it doesnt matter how you move, you should always be able to deliver hits with all weapons. most people play so crappy for ages because they are not aware of that you dont get better at that by time.

as said above, with strong angel control, witch also means good rocket/pg play automatically in a way, that you can add +back and do decent against anyone.

i dont claim this, its true. i startet playing with mouse on left hand 3 weeks ago and im taking it seriously in a way. i had already my perfect setup from 10 years of palying right handed (grip sens position etc) so,,,, i think im close to tier 4 in duel with my left handed acc

its so important that moving and fighting,,, doesnt bother or challenge you,,, its supposed to be close to just shifting gears in a car. thats usually the point your dodging becomes really good and you start doing better than just timing 2 items.

Interesting, not that I'd change hand for my mouse ;) but your points on angles is new. My sens is good, I've deliberately setup my desktop to fit my mousepad in an angle which allows me to use the mouse to its full extent on a semi-low sens and by the angle i hold my mousehand.

And so far I'd like to add rockets is one of my highpoints, seeing as my mentor is a rocketfreak it has come natural to me. But I have alot of work to do on my flawless mouse movement, I know exactly what you're talking about, some people play so unsmooth is scary.

And timing two items is still hard for me ;) I'm focusing on keeping mega at all times right now, then I'm moving on to mega and RA, and go from there.

Thanks for your input, really awesome and unique.

youre welcome

You make an important point here.

I think part of the succes of rapha/cypher/av3k is the fact that they use high sens or high sens/accel. Due to that, they can aim at every angle at every moment. Whereas low sens players really have a rough time in some situations like when being ambushed, or close range rockets fights.

you are absolutely right. the outstanding about them is what they make of angels in the end yep.
i think its a reason why stermy or strenx arent nr.1 tho they "aim" better, but dont they deliver the best damage because the situation doesnt suit them.

let me add a theory i have about movement that works amazing for me:

good dodging is not when you just press "very strange wasd patterns that are more confusing than others".

there are 2 points: first "technical" dodging and second "mental" dodging.

1: imagine you are very good urself at hitting angels and hitting while moving VERY awkward yourself. you should thinkk about how you can force him to strech his wrist a lot or to recnter his mouse on the pad while fighting. noone will hit even a 45 degree flick rocket when he has to shoot it NOW but hes wrist is tortured like wtf.

so open up angel for his wrist -> make a small faint hell now thankfully place the rocket against the opening direction but you are already turning and walking totally out of his mouse control range.
just think how you really challenge his mouse skills and make it just,,, "dirty and annoying " to play you :p

Also, if you enemy is shooting fade away rails/rockets,,, like he falls from ra on ztn and your standing at the gl (the typical "im too late for ra situation") you should aaaaalways align ur movement parallel in the same direction to him (maybe make 1-2 feints, but the general flow should be in the direction). so what does he? takes ra -> turns (wirst/arm) left and wnats to shoot while falling/jumping,,, -> you can choose to give him a difficult shot to move more left in his eyes or give him a slackening relax shot by moving right or back or dodging just quickly l/r in the same spot...

2: mental feints,, like rush mh on dm6 after spawn vs. full stacked rl defender (ud usually rarely do that) but as soon as you enter the room, you just press right, left, back and walk in lets say 1second exactly the simple way back through the door to the shaft room! its so confusing that after entering the room, you dont even CARE about the mh witch is up. it also helps to see yourself ingame from 3rd person view :p

his 1 rocket will try to cut ur way to mh, but u allready moved right ,, along the wall. the left right steps are supposed to be rather sharp, because you could actually also dodge the cut off rocket by just stopping all movement in the door frame!. actually this pattern reaches his glory when you jump really agressively out of the shaft room and land on the mh-side-door-frame before walking right. you feel sort of satisfaction when the first rocket impacts 3 feet in front of you.
the next shot hell try anything but definitly NOT guess that you walk left and back. at least he doesnt realize while his weapon reloads. if he delays the rocket shot because good players do that if they dunno where to place the rocket, the door will close all angels for him. (if you shaft accurate while doing so you can ofc maybe do lethal stuff).

another good move to understand maybe easier what i mean is, if you shaft vs rocket, you dodge some left right and than all of a sudden you jump in his face, just pressing forward. this forward jump garantuess you 1 dodge! so finishing him while jumping, the next rocket usually hurts :p. its also maybe time to combine ur shaft attack with a sg/rail shot while jumping.

excuse by bad language these days, im stoned all day.

Thanks for creating this thread. It brings up alot of things I've been trying to improve too. GLHF!

You're welcome and good luck!

Good thread.

quake 4 vod:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGrR1Tl4ELc

quake live vod:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6NuMyXw1Hs

You asked for a +back game without croushslide or aircontrol, you get what you deserve...a game with a low skill ceiling...(bonus: you even have shitty updates :>)

Makes you wonder if we killed off q4 to early

'we'.

i stopped playing q4 because it sucked (as in: i didn't like it). you are free to do whatever you want, i don't get the tendecy to be sentimental about the 'loss of q4' lately on esr.

I'm not sure I'm part of the 'You' you are talking about, I'm new here..

Fun Q4 vod though, thank you.

No, the "you" that i used was for the vast majority of the esr users...I didn't aim at you or anyone else.

You are welcome (for the vod).

ql has a low skill ceiling? i see the same people dominating the duel scene for quite a while, you're free to prove me wrong by beating one of them. pick one, do it.

ql has shitty updates and q4 never had any troubles like that? what. you're delusional.

Are really you that stupid ? No way, you must be trollin' me...

The Grand Final of the World Finals and they still don't have it in 720/1080? :/

"It's like calling an all-in preflop with QQ in a tourney against the bigstack"

lol fish

Point made then?

Additional Information

This is how I'm trying to learn from demos at the moment, 87% of you won't understand a word it's saying, but it's basicly analyzing a demo and trying to grasp the concept of what they're doing when and why and then read it over and over again and hope something sticks.

http://data.fuskbugg.se/skalman01/ztn01.jpg
http://data.fuskbugg.se/skalman01/ztn02.jpg

Yes, no?

Wow , great approach. I've never thought of analyzing demos that way. I haven't understood every single writing on there, but it's an interesting way to study demos and retain the knowledge.
If you make any more of these, please post here.

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Thank you, greatly appreciated, I'll post more and I'll try to keep it in english next time.

At the moment I just watch a demo, have F4 bound to timescale 1, F5 bound to timescale 0.1, as soon as something strikes me as interesting or makes me question it, i push F5, put a note of it, then F4 it back on, then afterwards i analyze my "footnotes" and see what I can extract from them myself.

But I'll keep posting here when I got more.

Well at least it's not on a pizza box. :)

Reupload please?

No, do something worthy with your life.

One doesn't exclude the other for some of us my friend :)

Did he died?

die*

Nice bump.

how do you even...
3 years old thread...

.... ?

No.. :p

how do you even...
3 years old thread...

.... ?

magic.

cu in 2019