1000hz is useless. Sucks tons of cpu for nothing.
100% placebo [ do you really believe you can feel the difference between 2 and 1ms ? ]
An unstable value will result in a fucked up feeling.

Use 250 or 500.

I can feel the difference with the salmosa yes. But it depends if the mouse can handle 1000 hz ofc

I trust you when you say you notice the difference but I call placeboz nonetheless.

then how can an unstable value then result in a fucked up feeling?

Feels unreliable, kinda like if some slight random neg accel randomly popped in and out but you still aim were you wanted to. It's not accel but I can't find another way to explain the feel.

you don't see any contradiction with "placebo"?

I'm not talking about a little jitter, I'm talking about a 300hz to 900hz clusterfuck :D

what he means is:

how can it be placebo if you can feel the difference of unstable hz. palcebo means that you feel something there isn't. but what if there is the feel of unstability you just described? it's not placebo then

My answer stays the same, I'm not talking about some jitter around any given rate, I'm talking about a completely random hertz clusterfuck without any kind of stability. THIS feels fucked.

I said placebo because I don't believe a human being can feel the difference between 1 and 2 ms. It's already hard to feel it between 2 and 4 unless you really got used to 2.

Placebo is if you can notice a difference when there should not be any. You have already said that 1000hz feels unreliable so it can not be placebo.

No. I said a fucked up rate felt unreliable.

yeah but if you can feel the hz unstability it's not placebo then. and the guy you are posting to has not defined what he feels. you just assumed that he talks about the 1ms vs 2ms difference. what if he is talking about the hz unstability?

You're trying too hard to see something that's not there dude :D

yeah well maybe you are right that he meant what you are talking about. but i would like to point out that feeling a difference is not the same as not making a difference.

Right but what's the point when you can't notice it ?

Hm that took a weird turn. No I meant the difference between 500hz and 1000 hz in-game in comparison.

I thought your point was faer1e did look at an USB rate checker first, then deemed it 'unstable feeling' because of placebo. I'm gonna say it again (well I didn't really say it, but it is implied by what I said), if the mouse is made for 1000hz (like the salmosa) there is no unstable feeling, unless you are playing QL on a 486 or something. With older mice there might be.

I agree with this dude, the differnce between 500 and 1000 isnt noticeable, fluctuating rate is

I never had that feeling and I play with salmosa@1000 hz for some months now, so I would say it really only depends if a mouse can handle it or not.
What mouse are you using (or talking about here)?

I had that clusterfuck with an 'old' deathadder@450dpi on a mobo that clearly couldn't handle anything more than 500 without giving up. Later I tried 1000hz on another mobo that kinda handled it [ averaging 970hz or so with +/-3hz spikes and drops here and then ] and while it felt good [ aka felt like 500hz ] it caused nasty fpsdrops due to cpu usage.
I used usbrate 0.5 to check the hz rate.

I'm now using a wmo@500hz.

If 1000hz works for you that's great. stick with it. I simply don't believe the difference with 500 is elsewhere than in your head. But maybe are you even more anal than I am with your setup, and believe me that would be reaching new heights in terms of I WON'T EVEN TOUCH THIS IT'S 99% LIKE HOME BUT ISN'T GTFO U SLOVAKIA GIMME MAH SETUP :D

I was only commenting on not be able to feel a difference because in fact I can and so could most people using a salmosa I would think.
The feeling is just different, I wouldn't say 1000 hz was better or worse. This might even be not related to the hz at all but to something else hardware related which produces a different feel....who knows

It also really depends on sensitivity. Some can benefit from 250 or 500 hz. The first 2-3 years when i started playing my sens was like 6 - 8 cm/360° and i did pretty well with my mx300@125hz. Once i tried higher rates like 200 or 250hz and it felt like pos acceleration.

I think 1000 hz doesn't work with todays hardware and is everything faer1e explained. (USB 3.0 maybe?) I should also mention that the G9x is the first mouse where the rate feels close to perfect on all its 6 settings even on 1000 hz. But then again there are still games where the mousebutton lags (bad direct input support?) So 500 hz have to do it for me.

the G9x is what you need..

I feel the difference betweem 800 and 1600 on my mouse but i dont like the feel of 1600

Are you talking about resolution (measured in DPI) ? :)

Best value :

250 hz

thanks for your detailed and scientific explanation bubble

u know my english is limited lol

didn't stop you in the past from posting stupid shit, why now?

My comment is not stupid

250 hz is enough.

Enough for what? To compensate the small data path in older mice like WMO/Logi MX? yes. To have a perfectly smooth mousing experience? No!

500Hz is a lot more stable than 1000Hz.

depends on your mouse, if it can handle it use 1000hz, otherwise highest possible (for example 500for wmo)

im using salmosa

Then use 500Hz.

then suck my balls

Present them.

I feel like smashing the OP over the head for asking a question that has been answered a dozen time's before and he was just too lazy to search for it.

i searched and there is nothing

It's a waste of money to buy any mouse that isn't 5000hz, really.

And minimum 3200 dpi.

lol noob, my mouse has 5700 DPI

That's why I said minimum 3200 dpi, loser.

pfft u just have low standards, my minimum is atleast 5700 dpi, the difference is so big, i get all headshots all the time in css now its like aimbot. but in next generation mice when we have 8000 dpi and i will upgrade to the first mouse with that dpi and adjustable weights and flashy led's

Still using a G500/G9x, I thought you hated the acceleration?

im not, we're kind off being sarcastic in case you didnt notice <.<
im using the abyssus now and loving it. no accel issues and perfect shape/weight for me

I know that you wre being sarcastic but you still using the G500 could have been the truth. ;)

well im gonna stick with 500hz i think

Used to use 1000hz for a long time on a deathadder but ended up switching to 500hz and found it just felt more consistent. Again, probably just placebo, but I don't see the need for 1000hz anyway now for reasons stated before, so just stick to 500

Not placebo. I had TWO, count em TWO Razer Copperheads that eventually died (started malfunctioning on and off) @ 1000hz. I got a replacement and used only 500 and it never died for 3 years straight when I just decided to try a new mouse.

i think most of the pros play on default 125 anyway cos they re not allowed to reboot their pc on the lan so even though the difference is greatly visible i think it doesntm atter that much

of course its great to play on 170hz crt and 1000hz mouse but rapha, cooller and the rest play on those lol pseudo 120hz lcds and 125hz wmos and re doing great so it doesnt matter as much

it doesnt matter at all in vq3 . small sens with accel .

but in cpm its diffrence .

What the fuck are you talking about?

about nothinh smart gay . haha

as usual you have no clue

i have no clue ?

vq3 most good players play small sens and m accel 0.1 or lo more

with 125 hz is this playable . but i belive they use 5OO hz or more

but try play cpm no accel but mouse fix or raw input and normal sens 13 cm for 360 with 125 hz ... i have wmo so with wmo is diffrence maybe with razer DA or something is not big diffrence .

Still no fucking clue about what you're talking about.
Maybe if wrote what you think your point is in bolded caps it would make easier for us to decypher your pointless mindfuck.

Why would you need to reboot your PC to get 500hz?

He probably doesnt know about hidusbf

explain?

Find this program at google. Then just select polling rate, install service and finally restart changes under windows (no need to reboot), now you can be happy about 250, 500, 1000 hz ;)

Most LANs (or well, defiantly major events) have the program on the desktop as well as the vista and whatever else variants.

Used to be you'd just bring a USB key with the program on it and do it but when overclocking the mouse to 500hz and upwards became really popular, events organizers realized that whole teams were wasting tons of time faffing around with usb keys to get 500hz. Was a pain in the ass for CS teams because everyone wanted 500hz so it was just time taken away from warm-up.

ok and any info on how does it work with razer mice? cos i.e. i got 500hz saved on the mouse. wont it interfere with the hidusb? and what aboyt abyssus? it hasnt 500hz switch so is it possible to set it to 500hz with the hidusb? ive heard razer mice doesnt want to work with sucha tools

Well if it's a default 500hz mouse (like razer, logitech, whatever) then you just don't need to overclock it (unless you want 1000 I guess) and I think you can take a 500hz mouse down to 250 or 125 for whatever reason so I guess with the abyssus you'll be able to lower it's polling to 500hz. It basically takes whatever you've got and sets it to whatever you want. So 125hz to 500hz or 1000hz to 125hz and anything else if you really want

It doesn't works for mice which already work @ 500hz/1000hz..

I've used it on my deathadder to go from 1000hz down to 500hz

then maybe that doesn't count for razer. Tried it on a few logitech mice back then, when G3,G5 etc. didn't have the rate settings in setpoint.

I dunno. I've done it on an ikari optical which was default at 1000hz but I wanted it at 500hz so I just used that tool to get it down to that.

Pretty sure I've been able to do it on a Logitech G5 as well (which was also default at 1000hz). All of the ones I did it on I didn't have drivers installed and was on XP, so I dunno, maybe it's something to do with that

no need restart under windows 7 ? i think it need restart.

sorry, dont know about windows 7, i am using xp

You definitely need a restart on win 7 and to mess around with test mode. If you're planning to go to a non byoc lan with comps on win 7, you better get a mouse that saves its rate (like DA g9x xai etc etc) because hidusbf will probably not be allowed.

http://www.fatal1ty.com/downloads/mouse-tools/hidusbf-zip

link on ESR: http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1265679

1000 hz is twice as good as the 500 hz one, are you stupid or something?

sure