yes it includes it

PS: *sees approved image* .. on ESR.

accumulators is where its at!

hehe, pretty nice. :)

Damn, I feel like kurt sloan out of kick boxer after he got his back broke by ton po!!!!

Worse world cup ever, ref's literally decide who wins games.

In all fairness, I think spain were better, but still.

How did the ref have any influence in deciding the game in favor of Spain? If he was any more lenient on the dutch he'd have let them play with 12

De Jong and Van Bommel were extremely lucky to play that long. Especially De Jong.

Agreed, like I said, it was just rough given it was so close to pens.

Pretty much. I can see why Howard Webb didn't want to send people off in the final and was trying to give them every opportunity to play with 22 on the pitch (even when there probably should have been 19)

Just found it funny that Holland had a hissy fit over a block on that left mid in the box when they were hacking shins all game

I don't understand why Van Bommel isn't just sent off before every game. That dirty cheating cunt.

De Jong deserves it more, he can't even play football, at least van Bommel can pass.

The problem with keeping 22 players in the pitch is that they are NOT playing football anymore. They destroyed Spain's initial play, which was being great, with really dirty play and left unpunished. IMO, this is worse than Urugay's so called "cheating". At least Urugay got their punishment which Ghana failed to score.

It wasn't the fouling that ruined the play after 20minutes it's that Spain have started the first 20mins of every game at a high pace and then eased off to conserve energy.

The aim being to hit teams quick and early and open up the game, but if it doesn't happen early you can't just keep going or you would be so knackered at the 60minute mark that you'd end up conceding goals (remember Arsenal v Barcelona?).

Yes, but both things are true. Spain slowed the pace, but also was taken off of the game by incountable fouls. Spain still keeps passing even when slowing down, and by that time they couldn't anymore because each second pass they got a bad foul, and many weren't even whistled. NL just didn't want any football happening by any means. One thing is presuring the ball creation, as Arsenal did at that game, and another one is making fouls by system and not getting any punishment.

Yeah, the British pundits attributed the change after 20minutes to a tactical switch by van Marwijk (of course they didn't say what he changed).

Luckily Seedorf was interviewed at the ground during half-time to inform the British public that it was in fact Spain easing off and there being lots of fouls.

They also proclaimed Iniesta as the player of the tournament just because he scored :D

Maybe they meant player of the game? I think he was MVP of the game, but not of the tournament.

Nope, they just say stupid things all the time, they usually praise Dutch tactics in PL (van Bommels tackle would have been "just late and clumsy") but last night it was as if it was the worst thing to ever happen in football.

Sure it was bad but christ, that's all they went on about.

True, but what's done was done up till that point, with 3 minutes left it was particually harsh, the black guy was fowled and the play on cost them the game.

Both Goalies were superb.

http://esreality.hexus.net/?a=post&id=1914410#pid1914410

Just found it funny that Holland had a hissy fit over a block on that left mid in the box when they were hacking shins all game

The "hissy fit" was because Sneijder's freekick was clearly (unless your blind) deflected by a Spaniard and we should have had a corner. Instead they got a goalkick which eventually led to a goal.

Amusing how you english (read Zer1toN) whine about our play just to defend that cunt of a referee of yours.

uredfaced

Perhaps that cunt of a referee should have sent off half your players so we could have saved ourselves 30 minutes

We will see what happens when England makes it to a World Cup final and has to play vs barcelona.. erm I mean Spain.

Then again we probably won't

Awwww bless. Brought out the England card. Face it, Holland were kick-boxing not playing football and you're lucky people didn't get sent off earlier and finished it quicker

I feel good for the 'goal' vs Germany.

NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIS! Yepyepyep.

nice tulip whine there. if anything the ref was pro nl.

I can remember the time when the dutch were complaining about the Germans playing so ugly.

full of envy about your results tho :-)

hence the copy and paste, while we moved on and lost :/

I wonder whether we would have had a chance to win the semis if we had the bone-breaking defense of old and whether it would be worth it.

I think your answer is in the spain - germany match

germany should have pressed forward more like they did all their matches. Now they let spain play :/

I thought Holland were doing quite a good job disturbing the play of spain. (with a few handsome tackles aswell tho :))

Yeah, they should have played more confident, but even then Spain just has the better players for that type of play.
Right now, the only way to really interrupt their game is to foul and make them feel the pain, as shown by the Dutch. (And Germany in the old days)

So it has become the choice between two evils, play fair and nice and have only a small chance to win. Or play ugly and have a better chance :/

NL still lost by the very same margin Germany did, so, what was the advantage of using violence? None, and they will be remembered for they dirty play, while the German team will be remembered for their good football.

Netherlands lasted another 30 minutes and they had more scoring opportunities than we did.
But yeah those are ifs and buts and I am glad we got away from the brutal image.


For the Dutch the motto remains "Just look, don't touch" :P

If you are going to play like the dutch from now on, you can be prepared to never win anything again. Have fun.

:D

nooone said anything about losing our trademark efficiency. Ask Argentina :P

They missed Muller a lot.

Podolski and Trowchowski just aren't up to the job all the good performances were down to the great link up play between Scweinsteiger, Ozil and Muller.

i got 11:1 on bwin before the wc, here's hoping we both make money tonight :p

Nice odds, but i have nearly shit myself 3 times in the first 10 minutes.
Something needs to change, or Spain are due a goal any minute.

Raged as much as me???

ohhhh yeah. fuck sake :<

I gave you a plus too. Better than nothing!

In all fairness it was a good effort, 3 mins towards the end after extra time, so it kept me on my feet.

I'll stick to blackjack and roulette.

how do you think it'll feel when you get beat by an invertebrae?

He'll accuse it of being a failure at life and claim he's superior in every way.
Something like "You beat me at something I care nothing about. Congrats, you must feel so good about your pathetic life."

well it was to be expected, anything with a rudimentary nervous system > jamerio

paul is said to suck at predicting final games (2008) , thus you might have a golden pick there.

well, one game is hardly a relevant sample :) lets see

Another reason to cheer for Spain.. :)))))))

he may be an octopus. but you are twice as slimey

You should send Robben a proper rant.

FUCK!!!!!

3 mins before pens spain score!
Refs bad choices arecosting teams the world cup :(

And me money :)

Paul: 1
Jamerio: 0

I'm going to the chinky and going to order octopus soup.
I admit, paul > me :(

Outsmarted by an octopus

give paul a bafta plz

should gie him a lifetime achievement award tbh

You'll probably just deny it. haha. oh yeah...cunt.

lmao@jamerio

That's a lot of dole money.

Glad Spain won, Holland play dirty like fuck.

i dont feel so annoyed about the result now

lmao@zealot.... and Jamerio.

You jinxed it with the £133,37... it should have been £133,7!

That would be 133,70

It should've been 13,37 or just 1337

£313,37

but on Spain, cause betting against Paul his obviously just stupid.
He is more popular and has more arms than anyone of us!!!

and more brains too

obviously. he is two years old!

a couple of hours ago i was raging but now this is the best world cup final EVER

hahaha

nice offside goal ...

wat

the intial pass to iniesta was when he was offside. the second one from which he scored wasnt but should never have been allowed since play should have stopped due to offside.

post time coz I can't see it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0uFy23vR3s

0.02

with the other camera angle its quite clear

lol

pause at 1:06, there's no offside

i'd upload the picture but esr is crap so i can't

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ok thanks funnyb, I read too fast!

that's not what he's saying, he's saying the first attempt at a pass, which didn't get through, was an off-side and should've been called.

and that way, they wouldn't have had their scoring opportunity

I stopped the video at teh very second the pass is made, and they are at the same height.

so did the tv-channel and it was really really clear that he was behind the defenders :o

but im not sure why i even began discussing this, i dont care about football, grats spain \o/

also why were both teams crying bitches afterwards, i was expecting more booze and less tears when the buzzer came

It's still not an offside though!

PIC 1 - PIC 2

(for some reason it won't let me upload them inside this post)

ya i can also take pictures at wrong quality the wrong time and say it wasnt offside :)

im not discussing this though, spain won and thats final, grats \o/

no really that picture is the result you will always get. Just replay the youtube video for yourself.
You crappy Swedish TV station should stay with hockey ;P

i totally agree, we should. but for some reason the swedish people so wants us to be a football nation, and its annoying :<

and if it wasn't enough its a sport i really can't enjoy, we must be really shit at it too

How is this at the wrong time? And you can clearly see where he is...

It misses the point though since it was intercepted (and Iniesta didn't interfere with play) he then moved into an onside position (well, he already was onside) during the second phase.

Ok this is very clear.

I think the alcohol and crowd in front of me played part in my judgement.

Nonetheless Spain deserved to win, Holland had their chances but Robben fucked it up abit :/

without robben both of the chances wouldn't have happened in the first place. he's never been this good.

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