No idea what they're doing, but yeah it looks impressive.

nice vid!

JULYZERG 817 APM!!!!!

I'm pretty sure razor keyboards aren't what they normally use either lol.
I think it's more impressive everything they are doing is useful without any random spam. I could probably move my hand around the keyboard that fast but it wouldn't be productive at all.

WeMadeFox is sponsored by Razer

http://fox.wemade.net

They still don't use Razer. Every pro uses a Samsung SEM-DT35 keyboard, and a logitech mini optical mouse.

Savior was spotted using a different mouse for 1 or 2 games, but stopped.

edit: this is specifically talking about their Starcraft squad, however. They do have several other game squads.

is that keyboard good? mechanical switches?

I haven't used it, but it is mechanical. Getting one outside of Korea will run you upwards of $50, but like $5 inside Korea. =X

heh so again something good is discounted and what we got instead is a crap with flashy leds gg

what does "mechanical switches" mean?

http://www.overclock.net/computer-peripherals...guide.html

lol, he's so gullible.

A special mouse with an extra button that throws the game.

they're gonna want to cut off their hands by the time they're 50. RSI is a bitch

Like professional piano players do?

pretty sure theres more repetitive motion with starcraft or w/e. at least theres a lot of arm movement with the piano

Professional guitarists and piano players are capable of playing 10-20 notes per second while still being musical, which (in a way) corresponds to 600-1200 APM.

And moving your arm doesn't really matter that much in regards to the strain on the wrist. (I'm a guitarist, I know.)

so muscians dont suffer from RSI is that what you're telling me?

We do.
But we are informed about that kind of shit, back problems, tendinitis, stop if you feel any discomfort, check your position.... and I don't remember spending 10 or more hours a day playing polish death metal back when I was 15.

For whatever reason, gamers getting rsi behave like musicians whose ears buzz after a gig : like ignorant fucktards that can't think of protecting themselves beforehand and rush to see a specialized doc in order to save what can be. They just sit there in pain and one day, finally understand they're bloody morons. But hey, they don't suffer from scoliosis and they have shiny mice so life is good.

actually injuries like this are quite common with musicians.

Dunno, I'm kinda used to see people complaining about a stiff neck [ that's what you get when you try to paint the walls with your hairs and sweat ] or, sometimes but it's quite rare, someone with back problems but that's usually because they didn't grow up and hold their guitar down to their knee like when they were 16.

i used to play the clarinet and my right arm is quite prone to RSI typ injuries because of that.. for some reason tho, i've never had any problems while being on the computer tho. i did feel some stress during a short period of time where i used a wmo, but swapped it for something smaller again and no stress anymore.

smaller than a wmo? what kind of wimpy clarinet playing pansy are you?

just clicked on your name to see how old you are, didn't say

- High APM (actions per minute)
- Low SPY (sex per year)

Moon is married but that doesn't really increase his chances at scoring.

not in korea

In an interview, they said that they don't have any time for a girlfriend or anything. =/

After they retire, however...

Their keyboarding skills are ridiculously impressive, but their mouse movements aren't any better than pro quakers, maybe less imo

mouse movement is more about being quick enough to keep up with what youre keyboard is doing.. not much accuracy needed

That's completely untrue. Great accuracy is needed for top level micro.

That shot was wasn't doing micro or base macro - it was just operating control groups of an army.

they're basically doing easy railshots over and over, nothing really bad if you mismicro most of the time but they have to do them at a steady accuracy and cannot miss when performing guerilla tactics.

interesting

WTF are you talking about?

i'd make a video of me hacking on my keyboard and clicking my mouse frantically, but i only have two hands

Best way to get rsi ever.

You'll only get rsi doing that if you have a horrible wrist position or just sit in a shitty way. It's no different from playing piano

You also get it from doing sustained actions for long periods of time.

It don't matter how comfy you are, if you're pressing that many buttons for a few hours a day you're going to get pains.

Occupation hazard.

Which is why people warm up to it. Sounds sad I know, but I doubt they'd go straight into 400 apm coming from sitting down at the PC. As would any gamer which is why you see them warming up before hand and which is why they would do actions even during startup where there's nothing to do except control probes so that they don't go from doing nothing to tons of stuff

edit: prime example, why do you think they have 100 apm at the start of a game where there's nothing to do but split probes and occasionally make a new one?

Of all the great players it sucks NaDa's APM is still monsterous and yet the guy is a million miles from the top and will basically never return to it. Burnout is a bitch.

Bisu is the best example of high APM which actually has an effect on the game amongst the modern S class IMO.

Err, what? Bisu is Protoss, and uses 50-100 less APM than other pros.

which actually has an effect on the game

Dunno which other "pros" you're referring to but the ones which could beat Bisu during any of his prime periods aren't the ones with 100 higher APM.

Key is what I quoted. Bisu uses his high APM to make his multitasking insane so he can do that patented harass in so many places at once there's fuck all you can do unless you have equivalent APM plus happen to be insanely good at StarCraft too.

Jaedong aside the guys with the absolute highest atm aren't even top 5 individual players so it's mostly cosmestic/spamming which doesn't actually enable them to get an advantage out of it.

Also the micro was insane from both players in that clip imo.

You simply don't need as much APM for Protoss, though. His APM has always been lower than the average (pro average) zerg/terran.

also, if you thought THAT was impressive...


English cast for wusses

Always loved that match
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSLU_SCqzr0
3:02 - epic music, epic momentz :P

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1711966

<3

I wish we had Korean Quake casters. They're so damn epic.

Out of all commentators, by far my favorites are usually Korean. The only exception being:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl-oAsDCGNA

I wish I could understand them. I can hear when they say certain names now, but nothing else. =(

hahahahhaha

ahahahhahaa

Me and Chance watched this last night and went insane. OMFG! 33 kills 1 goon? spraying everywhere

Agreed. Give us APM video of BABY (said to be highest APM amongst pro teams, even though his W/L doesn't reflect it)

FireBatHero and by.herO have very high APM ^_^

apparently building a command center takes 50 clicks.

I guess 70% of their actions are totally useless.

<10%, actually.

hmm those videos dont even match up to the movement of the mouse / keyboard ;D
wc3 bit is the most obvious

Koreans owns on everything :

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x21bdu_comme...on?start=1